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    Quote Originally Posted by alex70olds View Post
    I wonder if he still has his facebook page? Tinie, class act lol.
    Didn't he steal from nfps? got fired? has a grudge? maybe the records he turned over are the accounts he stole from???

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    Quote Originally Posted by willydilly View Post
    Regardless of how old this post is, the fact of the matter remains that ANYONE that purchases a code, either directly from the NFPS website or via a reseller, IS INNOCENT UNTIL DISH OR NAGRASTAR CAN PROVE THAT YOU USED THAT CODE.

    Anyone can buy a code and NOT use it. What if you bought one and gave it away as a gift? Are you guilty of circumnavigating the security of DISH? Not at all.

    They have to PROVE that you actually used this code to watch "illegally obtained signal". That, frankly, is impossible to do.

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    actually you would still be guilty because you know what the code is for and if you gave it away then you are helping somebody else steal tv... same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogitts View Post
    Let me put all this to rest...Dish never contacted 95Epay....It was the guy who owned NFPS way back in 2012....He is no longer affiliated with NFPS......They gave him money and he ratted out a ton of people....If you notice all the letters that people are getting now are people who purchased from 95epay ack in 2012....That was the gateway that he used...And he saw all the CC transactions....Thats how they know what codes you purchased at that time.. ur address and name...Because he had all that info...95epay does not have that info....They are also sending some of the codes you purchased included in the letter....
    Really, I am of the belief that no names or addys are included in these transactions... only the CC number
    However it may be possible for dish to get your info from the card issuer.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostradamus View Post
    actually you would still be guilty because you know what the code is for and if you gave it away then you are helping somebody else steal tv... same thing
    WRONG. Let's say Billy Bob wanted to borrow your CC for a purchase because he doesn't have one. You let him purchase online the code, then he promptly gives you the cash for the purchase. Dish chases you but you never had the code, even to give it away. Onus is still on Dish to prove that YOU used the code, which you didn't. Simply buying something doesn't constitute guilt.

    The ONLY way they could prove use of illegal codes would be to see the STB in operation, receiving signal at your residence. Even posting in open forums that you are watching such and such doesn't mean that you are watching at your place. Once again, prove it first, then charge them. If what you say is true, then it would be a case of bring the GUILTY party in, we'll give them a fair trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willydilly View Post
    WRONG. Let's say Billy Bob wanted to borrow your CC for a purchase because he doesn't have one. You let him purchase online the code, then he promptly gives you the cash for the purchase. Dish chases you but you never had the code, even to give it away. Onus is still on Dish to prove that YOU used the code, which you didn't. Simply buying something doesn't constitute guilt.

    The ONLY way they could prove use of illegal codes would be to see the STB in operation, receiving signal at your residence. Even posting in open forums that you are watching such and such doesn't mean that you are watching at your place. Once again, prove it first, then charge them. If what you say is true, then it would be a case of bring the GUILTY party in, we'll give them a fair trial.

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    Again your forgetting what is required to be successful in Civil court. The requirement is not that high. There is strong circumstantial evidence as it is without having to prove you actually used the code.


    Crimes must generally be proved "beyond a reasonable doubt", whereas civil cases are proved by lower standards of proof such as "the preponderance of the evidence" (which essentially means that it was more likely than not that something occurred in a certain way).

    What you are suggesting is that the plaintiffs have to actually film you using the code or something like that.


    That simply is not the case in a Civil action. If the Court concludes with the evidence that it is more likely than not something occurred than that is enough. Courts know that people come up with stories like I bought it for a gift and they simply can choose not to believe you.


    Just think if you are correct than why is there not one case where an end user won. I wish you were correct because than everyone who defended the action would win but I think you are missing the fact that the proof is the preponderance of the evidence meaning what is more likely than not.



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    also if you read the fine print on your credit card you are not supposed to loan it out and if you do you are liable. Now you can grasp at straws all day and maybe in a criminal court with a $5000 an hour lawyer you might get away with it. In civil court you are going to be hung out to dry and twisting in the breeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostradamus View Post
    also if you read the fine print on your credit card you are not supposed to loan it out and if you do you are liable. Now you can grasp at straws all day and maybe in a criminal court with a $5000 an hour lawyer you might get away with it. In civil court you are going to be hung out to dry and twisting in the breeze.
    Let 'em come at me.................don't care. North of the border...........didn't pay for any code.............still enjoying TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willydilly View Post
    Let 'em come at me.................don't care. North of the border...........didn't pay for any code.............still enjoying TV.

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    Be careful what you wish for. Does not matter if you paid or not, you are still pirating the signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willydilly View Post
    Let 'em come at me.................don't care. North of the border...........didn't pay for any code.............still enjoying TV.

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    still enjoying tv you LEGALLY paid for? lol.......I wouldn't be so smug....really.

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    I think somebody needs to read up on how the Cdn law is written. In Canada, it is not what you are watching but how you are watching it that determines signal theft. Any time you decrypt a signal without proper authorization you are in violation of CRTC regulations. In fact, you don't have to really be doing anything at all but if you have the capabilities to do so then you are considered in vilation under the law. That means if they can link your IP to a server streaming keys or a payment to a seller then they could nail you criminally. Fortunately for you, police have more important things to do than worry about what you are watching on tv but at the same time if someone was to file a complaint they are obligated to investigate.

    So really the only thing saving you at the moment is the fact you are low priority criminal activity as far as the police are concerned and DN can not file a suit against you for lost revenue due to stolen programming. At the same time, there is nothing preventing BEV from filing a suit even if you didn't have a dish pointed in their direction because under the current Cdn law you would have the capabilities to do so and that is all the judge could base his decision in the case of a Cdn civil suit.

    Now i don't write those laws but I have read enough of it to know how it works and yes it is convoluted but at the same time you have to take into consideration of who wrote that law.

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    Actually you would be in violation of the Canadian Radio Communication Act that says the following.


    9 (1) No person shall

    (c) decode an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed otherwise than under and in accordance with an authorization from the lawful distributor of the signal or feed;

    10 (1) Every person who
    (b) without lawful excuse, manufactures, imports, distributes, leases, offers for sale, sells, installs, modifies, operates or possesses any equipment or device, or any component thereof, under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the equipment, device or component has been used, or is or was intended to be used, for the purpose of contravening section 9,

    You can be in possession of equipment, device, or any component thereof under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that is intended to be used. You don't have to be using it, intended to be used is a violation.


    And your right law enforcement does not have the resources to go after end users but if they catch you while investigating you for something else they can charge you.


    In Civil the typical fines handed out is very small so likely that won't happen either but you can never rule it out completely just say its very unlikely..



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2 View Post
    Actually you would be in violation of the Canadian Radio Communication Act that says the following.





    You can be in possession of equipment, device, or any component thereof under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that is intended to be used. You don't have to be using it, intended to be used is a violation.


    And your right law enforcement does not have the resources to go after end users but if they catch you while investigating you for something else they can charge you.


    In Civil the typical fines handed out is very small so likely that won't happen either but you can never rule it out completely just say its very unlikely..



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    I believe somewhere in those pages it also says fines up to $5000.00 max. That's for a criminal charge.
    Civil suits are another thing altogether.

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    DN is sending out emails and demanding cash. It is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arms View Post
    DN is sending out emails and demanding cash. It is real.
    Why don't you read this thread and then say something?

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    If it an e-mail how can they prove you received it. Only way this works is if you get a certified letter in the mail and even then if you don't sign for it they can't prove a thing, so I've been told...no worries.
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