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    Quote Originally Posted by rudee View Post
    Pretty good fights... That one judge musta had some money down on a draw and
    didn't wanna take any chances... odds in Vegas were 30-1 for a draw..
    I thought GGG won by 3 rounds..Canelo was in reverse all night.. he really looked
    small on my tv.. GGG looked and acted like the bigger and better boxer..
    Canelo got some shots in but GGG"s were more often and more powerful.
    Looked like Canelo really doesn't like GGG.. I doubt a rematch anytime soon.
    I think Canelo would prefer Cotto..
    good bout, but no Haglar-Hearns.
    Will do Highway..
    When the fight ended i had a feeling that they would call it a draw but i thought GGG
    took it being the aggressor. A.Byrd wife of referee Robert Byrd whom is well known for bad bad calls
    118 110 Alvarez what the hell is that broad doing in there anyway.Rumors are already flying around that
    del la hoya set this up for a rematch.lol.

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    You got it right Highway,, you called it a draw... good work..
    Canelo just said he will not fight again before May of next year.. word is
    he is not real eager for a rematch... of course Oscar is...
    The questionable judge has been given a long rest. won't be judging
    for a while.. maybe a stint in Gamblers Anonymous??? The whole internet
    is buzzing about her card..

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    Howard’s End: All About Adalaide

    September 18, 2017 by Danny Howard

    48 hours after Saul Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin ended in a split (and deserved) draw, prolonging their battle to be the face of the sport for at least another night, we still aren’t talking about the ramifications of what happened or even about how good of a fight it was. We are still fuming over judge Adalaide Byrd’s horrendous and egregious 118-110 scorecard for Alvarez that isn’t even feasible for even the most generous of judges. Byrd’s scorecard comes as an extreme outlier that has drawn the ire of the boxing collective who is demanding retribution for her incompetence; a situation we know all too well and sadly, we know how it ends.

    Byrd is no stranger to controversy, frequently turning in bad enough scorecards where her competency and ethics can become an unnecessary talking point. Whether it was giving Bernard Hopkins the win over Joe Calzaghe, thinking Austin Trout pitched a near shutout against Miguel Cotto, giving Adrien Broner more credit than he deserved against Shawn Porter or making sure Jesse Magdaleno was well ahead of Nonito Donaire, there is no method her madness. Last weekend, Byrd found ten rounds to score for Alvarez in a fight where he only clearly won three at best, was retreating to the ropes in full fatigue from round five to nine and was a punching bag up until a furious rally in the championship rounds saved him.
    Was Gennady Golovkin robbed of his moment of truth even before the opening bell?

    Byrd has demonstrated a stunning lack of understanding of what goes on in the ring despite being a judge in hundreds of fights, a shocking surprise considering her husband, Robert Byrd, is one of boxing’s most well known and respected referees. At one point, Top Rank petitioned the Nevada State Athletic Commission against her appointment as a judge for Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Nicholas Walters, which fell on deaf ears by the commission and appointed her anyway. Even though the running thought is that her scorecards are up the highest bidder, it is just as likely that she’s just so bad at her job and easy to exploit that she keeps getting these top assignments.

    Which brings us to her most ardent defender thus far, NSAC executive director Bob Bennett, who has probably been enjoying all the attention he’s received over the course of the past few months.

    Last June on the Ward/Kovalev II card, Bennett was put on the spot by HBOs Jim Lampley as he actively tried to convince Bennett that Rigondeaux should have been disqualified for a shot that came way after the bell against Moises Flores. Bennett fumbled and bumbled under Lampley’s glistening skin, no doubt perspiring with the hopes that he could hang an “L” on Rigondeaux’s record and banish him forever from HBOs networks. It was as clear as day that Rigondeaux did commit the foul in the heat of the moment, but it took several minutes for Bennett to even figure out what the hell was going on and would days later move to declare Rigondeaux/Flores a no contest.

    Later that night, Bennett had to witness another controversy when Ward stopped Kovalev after a series of borderline blows. Unlike the issue with Rigondeaux, Bennett shrugged off the situation saying the blows were legal and even though I agreed with the stoppage, there was no way all of those body blows were above the belt line.

    As much as I would hate to bring up Mayweather/McGregor, it is shocking that the NSAC would even sign off on such a fight considering how much tighter they’ve grown on sanctioning potential mismatches since he took over from Keith Kizer in 2014. There was an inherent danger of putting McGregor with his non-existent boxing skills against the best fighter of the last 25 years, but the money was too good to pass up and Mayweather, out of shape and two years retired, mollywopped McGregor in a beating so bad that some news outlets pondered if he suffered cerebral trauma. That may not have been the case if the NSAC decided to abide by their own rules and kept the 10oz gloves as regulated for Junior Middleweight fights instead of smaller 8oz in an 11th hour amendment, approved of course by Bennett the whole way through.

    When it comes to Byrd, Bennett alone has the authority to make any punishment stick or to take any disciplinary action, but the above-mentioned incidents go to show that if what’s done is done, he’ll just let it be. As of this writing, Bennett not only stood by Byrd’s card but went on to actively defend her and may not be pursuing any action that will prevent her from getting more critical assignments like Alvarez/Golovkin. During the press conference, reporter Michael Montero took Bennett to task asking the million dollar question about what would be done about the judging problem for Bennett to give an answer so textbook that he might as well have rolled his eyes and said “no further questions” before huddling away.
    As the executive director of the NSAC, Bob Bennett could do something about all of this, though recent events suggest that he doesn’t care to.

    So now we come to the discussion we always seem to have every few months, but never hearing the end of it and that is what can be done to solve this problem? We cannot have judges that have repeatedly turned in scorecards that lead us to question whether corruption or incompetence is to blame, nor can they be shielded from scrutiny by being able to take off after a dodgy call and not having the face the music. Adding a fourth and fifth judge watching on closed circuit away from the crowd, implementing more strenuous vision and comprehension tests for judges and referees over the retirement age as well as allowing the press to have access to ringside judges could help shine a light through the murky waters. All of these could work, but only if someone higher up is willing to air out their organization’s dirty laundry, and that’s a rabbit hole nobody wants to go through.

    Whether she wanted to or not, Adalaide Byrd became the big story of the weekend and she, along with the NSAC by proxy, are going to have to hear about this for the immediate future. All things considered, Byrd will probably get another assignment again but will have this hanging over her head each time she takes a seat. Then again, it might just be another case of the last time before the next time unless something gets done.

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    Howard’s End: All About Adalaide

    September 18, 2017 by Danny Howard

    48 hours after Saul Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin ended in a split (and deserved) draw, prolonging their battle to be the face of the sport for at least another night, we still aren’t talking about the ramifications of what happened or even about how good of a fight it was. We are still fuming over judge Adalaide Byrd’s horrendous and egregious 118-110 scorecard for Alvarez that isn’t even feasible for even the most generous of judges. Byrd’s scorecard comes as an extreme outlier that has drawn the ire of the boxing collective who is demanding retribution for her incompetence; a situation we know all too well and sadly, we know how it ends.

    Byrd is no stranger to controversy, frequently turning in bad enough scorecards where her competency and ethics can become an unnecessary talking point. Whether it was giving Bernard Hopkins the win over Joe Calzaghe, thinking Austin Trout pitched a near shutout against Miguel Cotto, giving Adrien Broner more credit than he deserved against Shawn Porter or making sure Jesse Magdaleno was well ahead of Nonito Donaire, there is no method her madness. Last weekend, Byrd found ten rounds to score for Alvarez in a fight where he only clearly won three at best, was retreating to the ropes in full fatigue from round five to nine and was a punching bag up until a furious rally in the championship rounds saved him.
    Was Gennady Golovkin robbed of his moment of truth even before the opening bell?

    Byrd has demonstrated a stunning lack of understanding of what goes on in the ring despite being a judge in hundreds of fights, a shocking surprise considering her husband, Robert Byrd, is one of boxing’s most well known and respected referees. At one point, Top Rank petitioned the Nevada State Athletic Commission against her appointment as a judge for Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Nicholas Walters, which fell on deaf ears by the commission and appointed her anyway. Even though the running thought is that her scorecards are up the highest bidder, it is just as likely that she’s just so bad at her job and easy to exploit that she keeps getting these top assignments.

    Which brings us to her most ardent defender thus far, NSAC executive director Bob Bennett, who has probably been enjoying all the attention he’s received over the course of the past few months.

    Last June on the Ward/Kovalev II card, Bennett was put on the spot by HBOs Jim Lampley as he actively tried to convince Bennett that Rigondeaux should have been disqualified for a shot that came way after the bell against Moises Flores. Bennett fumbled and bumbled under Lampley’s glistening skin, no doubt perspiring with the hopes that he could hang an “L” on Rigondeaux’s record and banish him forever from HBOs networks. It was as clear as day that Rigondeaux did commit the foul in the heat of the moment, but it took several minutes for Bennett to even figure out what the hell was going on and would days later move to declare Rigondeaux/Flores a no contest.

    Later that night, Bennett had to witness another controversy when Ward stopped Kovalev after a series of borderline blows. Unlike the issue with Rigondeaux, Bennett shrugged off the situation saying the blows were legal and even though I agreed with the stoppage, there was no way all of those body blows were above the belt line.

    As much as I would hate to bring up Mayweather/McGregor, it is shocking that the NSAC would even sign off on such a fight considering how much tighter they’ve grown on sanctioning potential mismatches since he took over from Keith Kizer in 2014. There was an inherent danger of putting McGregor with his non-existent boxing skills against the best fighter of the last 25 years, but the money was too good to pass up and Mayweather, out of shape and two years retired, mollywopped McGregor in a beating so bad that some news outlets pondered if he suffered cerebral trauma. That may not have been the case if the NSAC decided to abide by their own rules and kept the 10oz gloves as regulated for Junior Middleweight fights instead of smaller 8oz in an 11th hour amendment, approved of course by Bennett the whole way through.

    When it comes to Byrd, Bennett alone has the authority to make any punishment stick or to take any disciplinary action, but the above-mentioned incidents go to show that if what’s done is done, he’ll just let it be. As of this writing, Bennett not only stood by Byrd’s card but went on to actively defend her and may not be pursuing any action that will prevent her from getting more critical assignments like Alvarez/Golovkin. During the press conference, reporter Michael Montero took Bennett to task asking the million dollar question about what would be done about the judging problem for Bennett to give an answer so textbook that he might as well have rolled his eyes and said “no further questions” before huddling away.
    As the executive director of the NSAC, Bob Bennett could do something about all of this, though recent events suggest that he doesn’t care to.

    So now we come to the discussion we always seem to have every few months, but never hearing the end of it and that is what can be done to solve this problem? We cannot have judges that have repeatedly turned in scorecards that lead us to question whether corruption or incompetence is to blame, nor can they be shielded from scrutiny by being able to take off after a dodgy call and not having the face the music. Adding a fourth and fifth judge watching on closed circuit away from the crowd, implementing more strenuous vision and comprehension tests for judges and referees over the retirement age as well as allowing the press to have access to ringside judges could help shine a light through the murky waters. All of these could work, but only if someone higher up is willing to air out their organization’s dirty laundry, and that’s a rabbit hole nobody wants to go through.

    Whether she wanted to or not, Adalaide Byrd became the big story of the weekend and she, along with the NSAC by proxy, are going to have to hear about this for the immediate future. All things considered, Byrd will probably get another assignment again but will have this hanging over her head each time she takes a seat. Then again, it might just be another case of the last time before the next time unless something gets done.
    The head on this particular snake Oscar De La Hoya!

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    This one was a close fight ,,, so close that some edged GGG's ,, other edged Canelo
    even though judge Byrd gave Canelo 4 rounds too many ,,, this fight was a draw

    Neither fighter did enough to lose ,,,

    the only question left is ,,, what would be different in a rematch ??

    Canelo gave GGG's all he had and couldn't drop the Kaziki,,,
    And G's looked like he could'nt hurt Canelo even if he had a third gloved arm

    By the end of the fight neither guy looked like he was in a fight ,,, no bruises no cuts, no blood
    In fact both guys looked like they were ready for a night out in Vegas

    Which adds clarity to "neither fighter did enough to lose"

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    Money is the answer to why have a third fight... star power..
    To be honest I really don't read about anyone clamoring for a third fight..
    I agree, would probably be a spitting image of the first one..
    GGG aggressive and Canelo countering.. I did have GGG winning by 3 rounds.
    There are a bunch of very good middleweights out there. Should be some good bouts
    if these two don't get together..

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    To quote the great boxing philosopher "Rocky Balboa"

    "it's not how hard you hit ,, it's how hard you get hit"

    And that stands for something, especially when one guy has 30+ fights no losses and the other has 49 fights 1 loss

    I didn't have G's leading by 3,, and plus, Canelo threw more punches

    So,,,, it was a draw because Canelo threw more but also backed up more
    And G's fought forward but couldn't hurt anyone

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    Gennady “GGG” Golovkin: Where Does He Go From Here?

    By Angel Flowers: Saturday night we all saw it, middleweight Kingpin Gennady “GGG” Golovkin finally got former NABF Welterweight Champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez into the ring to fight at the full middleweight limit.

    Despite what Golovkin and his people have said, it was obvious from any pictures of the two that Golovkin was a much bigger man. In the brightest of lights, we did not see a “Big Drama Show”, what we saw was a great fight between the middleweight champion and a blown up super welterweight. Many will point out one judge had the fight scored different than what actually happened in the ring, I had Alvarez winning the first three rounds and actually had him down going into round ten where he won the last three. 118-110 score aside, if Judge Byrd had scored the fight 115-113 in Alvarez’s favor there would not be any uproar. What we saw last Saturday was a middleweight bully a super welterweight into making a fight, and then watch that middleweight struggle. I think Golovkin just had the wrong game plan despite his preparations.



    Golovkin is known for chasing fights with lighter men, he relentlessly hunted for a fight with former welterweight Floyd “Money” Mayweather and even made comments about Mayweather during the lead up to his fight. Golovkin successfully got former IBF Welterweight Champion Ezekiel Brook to fight him, resulting in an easy win. Brook hit Golovkin often and with his best punches, punches that would have dropped other welterweights. The big middleweight Golovkin walked through those punches before knocking out Brook. Golovkin probably figured that would be the outcome, he had fought other welterweights and had gotten the KO, David Lemieux was a former Canadian Welterweight champion, Matthew Macklin was the former British Welterweight champion and Nobuhiro Ishida was a former Japanese Welterweight Champion. Golovkin walked through all of their punches as well to score an easy knockout. The only regret Golovkin may have had prior to his fight with Alvarez was not fighting former WBO Welterweight Champion Miguel Cotto. For over a year he had chased the current WBO Super Welterweight Champion Miguel Cotto trying to bully him into making a big money fight. Golovkin had Alvarez right where he wanted him but could not close the show.

    Alvarez was a lot more accurate with his punches than Golovkin was. Golovkin tried to hide behind his jab but was being nailed by power punches all night. Alvarez had more power than the other former welterweight champions Golovkin had fought and connected with him over 40% of the time. The same punches Alvarez was hitting the middleweight champion Golovkin with would have knocked out people Alvarez’s own size, like Amir Khan, James Kirkland and Liam Smith. I thought Golovkin would have tried to knock out Alvarez but instead we got a highly competitive fight. But where does Golovkin go from here?

    I doubt Alvarez would give Golovkin another fight, Golovkin brings no money or star power to the table. I doubt his fight with Golovkin would come anywhere near the numbers he did fighting Floyd Mayweather; the public just doesn’t care for Golovkin’s habit of knocking out former welterweights. Alvarez has been in big money fights before, he fought Floyd Mayweather and Miguel Cotto. The most Pay Per View Buys Golovkin has done as the headliner was under 100k. Golovkin hopes his former welterweight foes would sell the fights like Ezekiel Brook and Saul Alvarez did. I think Golovkin should try to fight an actual middleweight like current undefeated WBO Middleweight Champion Billy Jo Saunders. I doubt seriously this fight would ever happen despite what Golovkin had said.

    Golovkin has stated he wants all the middleweight titles, he went after the smaller Cotto and Alvarez as an excuse to fight them, not for their titles. Saunders expressed interest in the fight, instead Golovkin fought Brook. Saunders asked for the fight again and Golovkin fought Alvarez. I think for a guy who wants to be the undisputed champ that he should fight the only other middleweight champion out there, but as someone trying to earn a living I don’t ever see that happening. Golovkin has a family to feed, if he was soaking up the punches he received from Alvarez by an actual middleweight he would have been knocked out and possibly saw his career ended. Not only that, he has found more money in fighting smaller men, just compare his earnings to that of Andre Ward, Liam Smith or any other boxer that has constantly sought out fights with bigger opponents. I believe I know the top three people Golovkin will fight next.



    I can see him fighting Danny Garcia, Garcia has a big name and great power for the light welterweight, welterweight division. Jeff Horn is another name that springs to mind, he beat Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao, is the current WBO Welterweight Champion and has a huge following in Australia. The last person I can see him fighting is Vasyl Lomachenko, Lomachenko has not yet fought at welterweight but he is on his way there and arguably has a bigger name than Golovkin does. I can see Golovkin possibly stepping down in weight to the low 150’s to make this fight happen. I think Golovkin will have no choice but to fight them since I doubt he will fight Daniel Jacobs again. Alvarez most likely would fight the man Golovkin has been avoiding, Billy Jo Saunders in either England or Las Vegas.

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    Off subject, but good thoughts and prayers go out to Fibroso and everyone else
    living in Puerto Rico...
    Hope you are all well and go through this with minimal damage.
    Same thoughts and prayers to all our Mexican friends...
    All hell is breaking loose in this world.
    Saw where some predicting the end for everyone on the 23rd.

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    What Rudee said ,, goes for me as well ,,, hope you'all doing well
    Lots of stuff going on this year ... scary chit !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudee View Post
    Off subject, but good thoughts and prayers go out to Fibroso and everyone else
    living in Puerto Rico...
    Hope you are all well and go through this with minimal damage.
    Same thoughts and prayers to all our Mexican friends...
    All hell is breaking loose in this world.
    Saw where some predicting the end for everyone on the 23rd.
    stay dry Fib-i had by at least 3 rounds also-and thats being generous.

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    Watched the rerun of the big fight last night... GGG by at least 3.
    Canelo looked almost intimidated... one punch at a time... no combos at all.
    Canelo looked a bit like he did against Floyd.. just laying on the ropes.
    Two big fights he has come up empty.. too bad, was pulling for him..
    GGG just too big and powerful..
    Fib, how are you? If you can, drop a line... hope you and family ok!

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