Is it possible? 5 birds to 1 stb.

[df11]

Ok, here is my set-up. I have a bev subbed dish installed by them with their 2 twin lnb's and sw44 switch that has 4 cables from the lnb's going to the sw44 and I have 3 cables going into the house feeding 2 bev hd ird's (1-each) and the other to port3 of a chieta Diseqc which is outputted to my VS max hd stb. I also have a dn500 with a dp quad lnb and 2 cables 110 and 119, coming from it that go straight to the diseqc on ports 1 and 3. I have strapped to the side of the dp quad a single std. lnb for 129w to port 4. With this set-up I get 110w, 119w, 129w and 91w. For reasons I don't understand, I have to run the 2 cables from the dish pro lnb's to get both 110 and 119 to scan in antenna set-up and only 91 or 82 even tho both these are on the same cable, so I installed a encoda 22k switch, inputted from 2 cables coming out of the sw44 and out to the the disqc. No joy.:grr: I hope some one of KNOWLEDGE can help me with this. Do I need bigger diseqc sw?? BTW to sw44 has a power inserter.

[Nostradamus]

5 birds to one box is possible but quite sure you can not do it that way as I don't think you can stack switches anyway to make it work when you have those goofy LNB setups with the built in switches.

[df11]

5 birds to one box is possible but quite sure you can not do it that way as I don't think you can stack switches anyway to make it work when you have those goofy LNB setups with the built in switches.

I'm beginning to think you're right, but whatabout using a 6 port disqc? With 1 more cable from the sw44?

[swanner]

6 port switch otta do it. Sounds feasable to me.
I would try to get one that has multiple outs.
And like mentioned above. Try not to stack. Stb will have hard time if not none recognising sats


Good luck

[seahappy]

A motor may be less trouble, less expensive and looks better !!! Lol

[ottid142]

Ok, here is my set-up. I have a bev subbed dish installed by them with their 2 twin lnb's and sw44 switch that has 4 cables from the lnb's going to the sw44 and I have 3 cables going into the house feeding 2 bev hd ird's (1-each) and the other to port3 of a chieta Diseqc which is outputted to my VS max hd stb. I also have a dn500 with a dp quad lnb and 2 cables 110 and 119, coming from it that go straight to the diseqc on ports 1 and 3. I have strapped to the side of the dp quad a single std. lnb for 129w to port 4. With this set-up I get 110w, 119w, 129w and 91w. For reasons I don't understand, I have to run the 2 cables from the dish pro lnb's to get both 110 and 119 to scan in antenna set-up and only 91 or 82 even tho both these are on the same cable, so I installed a encoda 22k switch, inputted from 2 cables coming out of the sw44 and out to the the disqc. No joy.:grr: I hope some one of KNOWLEDGE can help me with this. Do I need bigger diseqc sw?? BTW to sw44 has a power inserter.

The reason for 2 cables from the DP Quad is that you are in effect bypassing the internal switch in the LNB by using the external Diseqc switch. As far as 82/91 have you accounted for the SW44 in your Legagy Switch setting area in the Antenna Setup Menu? On some of the Viewsats the SW44 settings would not work but you could use the SW42 settings to get the results you want.

[df11]

Hey Terryl, perhaps you can add some light to this problem? I don't want to go and buy something that doesn't work, I'm old, retired, and poor, on gov. pension, :-) and already have too much junk I'll never use.
Thanks for any info.
BTW. I'm trying to get full use of satlobo's combined...

[Terryl]

Well you can use a 6 or 8 input Diseqc switch IF your FTA receivers have Diseqc 1.1 switching protocol, (some don't) the only thing is that the BEV receivers wont like the bigger switch and cant handle it.

And stacking the SW44's wont do it either, the SW or DP switches are limited to 4 inputs, that's it, stacking the switches only adds more outputs, not inputs, also the SW44 switch is a legacy switch, (used for legacy LNB's) it wont let you add a third (or forth) satellite to it, you would need an SW64 for that, and it is limited to 3 satellites.

To do what you want to do, you first need to look at your current LNBs, if they are legacy (requires 2 cables for both polarity's to the switch) then you will have to change out to all DP singles, or all new type standard LNB's.

This way you will have the capability's to add 5 satellites (or more) to the system, but if you still need to use the BEV receivers your stuck with only 4 satellites, as they will not like (nor detect) the higher input switches.

Going beyond 4 satellites on one switch only works with FTA equipment.


To keep using the BEV equipment you will need two setups, one set of equipment for the BEV receivers and a second setup to add the other satellites to the FTA equipment.

What will be needed is a new set of dual output LNB's for the 91/82 dish, then run the first set of outputs (one from each LNB on that BEV dish) to a dp44 switch to feed the BEV receivers. (SW 44 wont work with DP LNB's)

Then the new Diseqc 6 x ? switch for the FTA receiver, will have 110, 119, 129, 91, 82 on it.

Or you could also use two switches (for the FTA receiver) and a 22 KHz switch to go between the 2 systems, switch "A" will have 82 and 91 on it (second output from the new DP LNB's) you run this to one side of a 22 KHz switch, Diseqc switch "B" will have 110, 119, 129 on it, you run this to the other side of the 22 KHz switch.


This way the BEV system is a happy separate system playing by it's self, the other system should not even see the BEV system.

I can come up with a drawing if you need one.

[ottid142]

14265

Since you are old retired and poor and on a government pension like me, here is a setup that has been tested and works and should cost you less than $50. All you will need to buy is 2--3x4 switches and some coax. It will work for up to 4 Bev subs and 2 FTA STBs.

[Terryl]

14265

Since you are old retired and poor and on a government pension like me, here is a setup that has been tested and works and should cost you less than $50. All you will need to buy is 2--3x4 switches and some coax. It will work for up to 4 Bev subs and 2 FTA STBs.


Nice diagram Ottid142, and a good solution for his problem.

But one thing, you don't need the ground blocks at the ends of the coax going to the receivers, if your switches are all grounded, then you don't need them, all the added ground blocks will do is add signal loss to the system.

Grounding the switches will ground the whole system, just like using a ground block.

Note:

If you don't have metal cased switches, or no switch at all, then a ground block should be used.
Remember, every passive component you add to the system will add 3 dB or more to the signal loss, add too much loss and your usable signal to your receiver will be below the receivers RF signal detection level.

[df11]

Wow, thanks for the info guys, give me some time to get my head around it all :-) I guess i'll get back when i've got it figured..

[df11]

14265

Since you are old retired and poor and on a government pension like me, here is a setup that has been tested and works and should cost you less than $50. All you will need to buy is 2--3x4 switches and some coax. It will work for up to 4 Bev subs and 2 FTA STBs.

Ok I'm back after buying 2 sw34 zinwells and waiting for the dang snow to melt :-) I assembled the switches and wiring on a bracket and got on the roof and installed it as ottid142 diagram except for the 2nd sw21 and wires as I'm only going to 1 stb.
No matter what settings I put in on the stb antenna set up I can't get 82w---S=75 Q=0 and believe me I've tried all the switch settings and tried 2 different sw21's and 2 different encoda 22k's, no joy :-( I'm wondering if the VS Max HD stb doesnt have the power to operate the switches? The bev 6131 is pulling in both sats just fine. I do have a powered sw34 from ( i believe an old DTV system) but I'm afraid it wouldn't be compatible with the power coming from the bev inserter. HELP :-)

[ottid142]

Using my daigram 82w should be Diseqc 4 SW21 Dish 2. The settings for the SW21 are normally found under either Legacy Switch settings or Multi Dish Settings in the Antenna Stuup Menu.

[df11]

Ok I'll try that and get back.

[df11]

Using my daigram 82w should be Diseqc 4 SW21 Dish 2. The settings for the SW21 are normally found under either Legacy Switch settings or Multi Dish Settings in the Antenna Stuup Menu.

Well I set it up as you said and I still get no "Q" on 82w. Does it make a difference where the cables (which ports)go to from the sw34 outputs to the sw44 and sw21? I have 1 cable from each sw34 going to the sw21 with the sw34 wired to 82w going to dish2 port of sw21. Damn that sounds complicated even to me. :-)

[ottid142]

Your setup sounds correct. Try TP3 12253 and see if you get any Q. The first 2 TPs on 82w are MPEG4 which you will only get if you have an 8PSK module in your STB.

[df11]

Your setup sounds correct. Try TP3 12253 and see if you get any Q. The first 2 TPs on 82w are MPEG4 which you will only get if you have an 8PSK module in your STB.

I've tried ALL the transponders to no avail, the vs max hd has the 8psk and I get dn hd. What about my ? on the ports on the sw34's to the sw44's? Could the diseqc have 1 bad port?
thanks for your patience.

[ottid142]

It should not matter which port on the 3x4 switch gets connected to either the SW21 or the SW44. What you could try is connecting the SW21 to the remaining port on the 3x4 switch (maybe you have a bad switch) or replacing the piece of coax between the 3x4 switch and the SW21. Are you using DN brand SW21s? Why I ask this question is that other brands are well known to cause problems.

[df11]

The sw21's I have are dn new and tried a 2nd 1 with same results, the sw34 are new zinwell's. I think I'll try to move the cable from 82w to a different port. It's strange that the bev ird sees 82w fine but nothing on the fta. Note that I also had tried encoda 22k's. Be this pm before I can get to it.

[df11]

Well i've tried moving the cables on the sw34's around to no avail, then tried shifting input to the sw44 and only suceeded in screwing up the bev ird so went back to original, tried a new diseqc and still the stb doesn't see 82w. My legs are worn out now so maybe tomorrow i'll try hooking 82w straight to the diseqc to see what that brings????

[ottid142]

Have you tried changing TPs when tunibg 82w? The default TP 12224 has only a couple channels on it and Bev mave have messed with the TP settings in comparison to what is on your STB.

[df11]

Have you tried changing TPs when tunibg 82w? The default TP 12224 has only a couple channels on it and Bev mave have messed with the TP settings in comparison to what is on your STB.

Yep tried 'em all...sigh