Terrible news nexiks!

[Highwayman]

didnt see this posted dish at work


D*sh" Network LLC et al v. Iram Bolanos et al

Plaintiffs: D*sh Network LLC, Ech*Star Technologies LLC and Nagr*Star LLC
Defendants: Eric Moreno Bolanos, Iram Jordy Bolanos, Yolanda Bolanos, Does and Joel Alvarado Lizama

Case Number: 2:2012cv03097
Filed: April 9, 2012

Court: California Central District Court
Presiding Judge: Dale S. Fischer
Referring Judge: Oswald Parada

Nature of Suit: Other Statutes - Cable/Satellite TV

[Anubis]

Well they were on the radar obviously.

[DualTest]

It certainly explains alot. It seems to me that Nagra is content with just shutting down sites/servers. And will only go after them in court if they breach the settlement. It says in the pdf that he signed a settlement and that this action was only done because he didn't comply by handing over the servers and iks related equipment. That could explain why some other IKS servers and people have just disappeared lately. Maybe they didn't "take the money and ran". Maybe the signed an agreement and complied with it. Just my opinion but it would explain alot.

[wildman25]

Not sure I would "dismiss" the recent IKS servers disappearing to this, because the
provider likes to gloat too much. Whenever possible, they post their conquests to
send waves of despair and fear.

Hate to read about any legal actions with sites/services, unfortunate for the big picture

[caretaker69]

in california no wonder.

[wrangler]

This is just the beggining of the end. Hear that knocking at your door? It's a certified letter from NAGRA.

[abouttosnap]

Got mine yesterday. Back of the envelope had x's and o's on it and said sealed with a kiss.

[Crazy Carl]

interesting read, hope there previous clientèle will remain anonymous or perhaps another DA case is on the way for some end users

[cervezagut]

I noticed there's one IKS server I know of located in India. They'll need alot of luck going after that one - not to mention trying to serve a summons on them.......

[fonger]

lots of does.. one to ten..

[fifties]

interesting read, hope there previous clientèle will remain anonymous or perhaps another DA case is on the way for some end users
Their prayer for relief includes an order to preserve all records including purchasers of the service...

[brat427]

This is just the beggining of the end. Hear that knocking at your door? It's a certified letter from NAGRA.

And if they can catch an arrow with their teeth they can have me, is the sky falling too?

[GoatMeatPasta]

And it begins....

[GoatMeatPasta]

And if they can catch an arrow with their teeth they can have me, is the sky falling too?

If you paid for your P$ with a cc or paypal your sky will be falling soon.

[robz2801]

Kinda makes you wonder, thirteen hops and ending in a non extradition country, sounds like an inside leak.

[saajid]

Kinda makes you wonder, thirteen hops and ending in a non extradition country, sounds like an inside leak.

Unfortunately, I will have to agree 100% with you.

[dapharsyde]

hmm, this isn't good for the future...

[Nostradamus]

If you paid for your P$ with a cc or paypal your sky will be falling soon.

and you know this how? I seem to remember you on here looking for info to connect to a private server about 2 weeks ago and now you are back on your old bandwagon again? Damn it man, quit sitting on the fence and leaning which ever way the wind blows

[LuckyLarry]

Not the type to worry,myself, but if I was a nexiks user located on AMERICAN soil,I would watch closely.I was briefly a nexiks user late last year,but the service was sooooooooo bad I dropped it after 3 weeks.At that time, I was told by nex himself if the servers were in America, and he said NO.Bull**** again, I guess...lol

[Highwayman]

Kinda makes you wonder, thirteen hops and ending in a non extradition country, sounds like an inside leak.


The leak you are talking about sounds "Fishy"!
Another family fued maybe?

[surfinisfun]

I seem to recall quite a few months ago another IKS service saying Nex was doing some kind of dirty business.

This was from another site and an unknown service, at least by me but its quite possible Nex did not resolve the issue and those boys dumped them. I, of coarse don't know for sure but its a possibility.

Stealing from thieves......they don't like that, that we know.

[exe2]

I don't know if it matters, but they switch names in the PDF. Is it Yolanda Bolanos or Yolando Bolanos

[sakefatcat]

This is just the beggining of the end. Hear that knocking at your door? It's a certified letter from NAGRA.

6 years later and you still flap your gums the same.......hilarious man. Have you been tested for autism yet?

[GoatMeatPasta]

and you know this how? I seem to remember you on here looking for info to connect to a private server about 2 weeks ago and now you are back on your old bandwagon again? Damn it man, quit sitting on the fence and leaning which ever way the wind blows

I was not leaning. I was looking for a P$ that accepts anonymous donations. So...you seem to get quite upset when people talk about the very real danger of P$ paper records. Do you personally make a commission? One has to wonder since it's obvious you're profitting from a P$ scheme.

[pugsycan]

I hope you realize you are getting very close to finding a new place for your soap box
Thats fine that you dont feel they are safe but you dont have to call out anybody that may not agree with you and turning threads into your campaign
Consider this your warning
I was not leaning. I was looking for a P$ that accepts anonymous donations. So...you seem to get quite upset when people talk about the very real danger of P$ paper records. Do you personally make a commission? One has to wonder since it's obvious you're profitting from a P$ scheme.

[bigsnowrabbit]

well sorry to hear that another bit the dirt but ya dont play dirty with other that is just or more dirty and the neighbor saw the equipment being hauled out the back door hmmm makes you wonder what your neighbor may be doing next door dont it.

[Anubis]

The part that got me was the line stating the neighbour observed the removal of the IKS server. How the heck did the neighbour know what the computer ws used for? Unless the neighbour knew he was running a iks server and had seen the actual server there is no way anyone could say hey look there goes a iks server. I sure as heck wouldn''t be able to tell what the components were used for unless I saw them hooked up and what they were running. Something just doesn't sit right there.

[binbo]

The part that got me was the line stating the neighbour observed the removal of the IKS server. How the heck did the neighbour know what the computer ws used for?

I think the neighbors were the first "donations" in the list.......................

[ripp]

wasn't there a reward posted on satscums offering 50K for info on IKS? have not been on that site for some time but recall seeing something of that nature. If it is so, I guess Mr. Neighbor needed a new car.

[lonster1]

I was surprised when payments were to be made to the same seller's name as listed in the doc.

Dumb is dumb, and that my friends tops the list.

inside job/rat or not, he was/is dumb

[jam25]

hopefully these guys can hold on to a wet soap. charlie wants there ass for sure.
just hold on my friends and know that iks will be around for a very longtime, all you have to do is relocate your servers and rename your service, say from nexiks/newgen to :noidea:

[Tubbs]

I like the line,# 20, Dish Networks Contract & purchase the distribution rights for MOST of the programming.


Well, maybe the peeps were just watching the part of programming the Dish was just rebroadcasting, with out any distribution rights.

So it looks like dish isn't paying for the rights to watch or broadcast ether.

[LuckyLarry]

hopefully these guys can hold on to a wet soap. charlie wants there ass for sure.
just hold on my friends and know that iks will be around for a very longtime, all you have to do is relocate your servers and rename your service, say from nexiks/newgen to :noidea:
...and that's a point of concern,too.The "new" nexiks certainly has the lambs blood on them.All parties should be as carefull as possible.

[hondoharry]

I like the line,# 20, Dish Networks Contract & purchase the distribution rights for MOST of the programming.


Well, maybe the peeps were just watching the part of programming the Dish was just rebroadcasting, with out any distribution rights.

So it looks like dish isn't paying for the rights to watch or broadcast ether.

They're referring to their own promo programming.

[wrangler]

6 years later and you still flap your gums the same.......hilarious man. Have you been tested for autism yet?I've been flapping my gums for a lot more than six years. As to autism, what happened to your old site and the admins and mods? Keep on believing you're untouchable. I've seen it happen in the past and it will happen again. DN is using Daves handbook and just getting all thier sheep in a row.

[Tubbs]

They're referring to their own promo programming.

I bet not.
They need to say that, because they do indeed rebroadcast programming that they don't pay for, or have permission.
Do you think they pay, or even ask to rebroadcast NASA select TV? Yet they should ask. We own that feed, not them... they can pay NASA for the rights.

[lonster1]

...and that's a point of concern,too.The "new" nexiks certainly has the lambs blood on them.All parties should be as carefull as possible.

Yup, while it may appear as though nex didn't flip on others, who is to say he won't.
I want to add, and forgive me for doing so, but while paying attention to what has happened since....... Well, there are enough issues that have arrised from the fiasco to
raise warning signs.

[KIDWCKED]

...and that's a point of concern,too.The "new" nexiks certainly has the lambs blood on them.All parties should be as carefull as possible.


The new server has nothing to do with nex.Your statement is pure speculation.

[dishuser]

hopefully these guys can hold on to a wet soap. charlie wants there ass for sure.
just hold on my friends and know that iks will be around for a very longtime, all you have to do is relocate your servers and rename your service, say from nexiks/newgen to :noidea:

or name yourself from jam25 to jammituptheazz...lol

[brat427]

This is just the beggining of the end. Hear that knocking at your door? It's a certified letter from NAGRA.

Yea I'm sure they have time to knock on a bazillon doors and court cost for all these hobbyist they just want the server that's all they ever did and who's running it. Been around since the F cards days and still having fun with my hobby.
jmo
the brat

[pugsycan]

You might want to try and tell that to Dark angels members
Yea I'm sure they have time to knock on a bazillon doors and court cost for all these hobbyist they just want the server that's all they ever did and who's running it. Been around since the F cards days and still having fun with my hobby.
jmo
the brat

[LuckyLarry]

The new server has nothing to do with nex.Your statement is pure speculation. D


Did I say it did?I was implying it's many of the same players, less nex himself,and their names may or may not have been mentioned to Dick already.You're drawing too much from a simple statement.

[KIDWCKED]

D


Did I say it did?I was implying it's many of the same players, less nex himself,and their names may or may not have been mentioned to Dick already.You're drawing too much from a simple statement.

Not really







Make (a statement or situation) less confused and more clearly comprehensible.:D

[LuckyLarry]

yup yup ya...back to the issue at hand.lol

[scotty25]

Are IKS "control words" the exact same as DN control words? I beleive they are different animals.
Could the seeders be in California & Key servers offshore?
This is all civil why is he incarcerated? This whole agreement thing stinks!

[fifties]

I bet not.
They need to say that, because they do indeed rebroadcast programming that they don't pay for, or have permission.
Do you think they pay, or even ask to rebroadcast NASA select TV? Yet they should ask. We own that feed, not them... they can pay NASA for the rights.
This reminds me of when I got my first FTA box, a Pansat 2300 in the spring of 2004, a few months after Dave went to the Pee4.

I adjusted the dish for signal from E7 and E8 (now it's E10/11), and all I got was pictures of earth from a moving satellite...Couldn't figure it out until the realization set in that it was an unencrypted channel, and the Pansat bin had a trick way to be activated by entering the authorization twice, to get into the right screen.

So what happened that Charlie has since been able to encrypt a channel belonging to U.S. taxpayers, and for which I sincerely doubt they are paying any royalties for?

If I want to see MY NASA channel, that MY tax $ pays for, I am FORCED to use an IKS service with which to get the channel...Sound like a pretty good defense? ;)

Anyways, just an interlude to lighten things up.

(Interlude = term for sugar-coated hijack).

[DualTest]

Are IKS "control words" the exact same as DN control words? I beleive they are different animals.
Could the seeders be in California & Key servers offshore?
This is all civil why is he incarcerated? This whole agreement thing stinks!

I have no way to know for sure but since they listed him as incarcerated, I would think he was already there.

[JCO]

Yup thats what the capitalist corporations are doing.. Making billions of dollars profit from something that costs them next to nothing.. It would be nice if networks decided to put a bird in orbit and broadcast their programing FTA.. I figure that the sat distributors would scream for murder saying its robbing them of their revenue base...As consumers we have to put up with advertising and on top of that pay sat providers for the privilige of doing so..

[JCO]

I have no way to know for sure but since they listed him as incarcerated, I would think he was already there.
If you read the court docs it states he was locked up in a rehabilitation center for a DUI.. Nothing to do with the court case..

[DualTest]

If you read the court docs it states he was locked up in a rehabilitation center for a DUI.. Nothing to do with the court case..

I must have missed that part, legalese makes me skip over parts. I wonder if being incarcerated can be used as a defence for not turning over the equiptment. It is probably thin.

[JCO]

I must have missed that part, legalese makes me skip over parts. I wonder if being incarcerated can be used as a defence for not turning over the equiptment. It is probably thin.

The court doc is full of interesting tid bits..Including a statement that a neighbour saw him removing the IKS server from his residence... How did the neighbour know it was an IKS server?? How did he remove it if he was in a rehab center.. As for the original question we dont know if he is incarcerated or just in a closed rehab process where he is not allowed out of the center..

[brat427]

You might want to try and tell that to Dark angels members

sorry i don't get it?

[hondoharry]

Yup thats what the capitalist corporations are doing.. Making billions of dollars profit from something that costs them next to nothing.. It would be nice if networks decided to put a bird in orbit and broadcast their programing FTA.. I figure that the sat distributors would scream for murder saying its robbing them of their revenue base...As consumers we have to put up with advertising and on top of that pay sat providers for the privilige of doing so..

They could rent space on a CONUS TP on a sat and broadcast nationally but the local affiliates would never stand for it. Broadcasting all local stations would cost a lot more money. Nice idea but ain't gonna happen.

[timster]

sorry i don't get it?

end-users that were subscribed to the Dark Angel server were all sued by Dish Network

[wildman25]

end-users that were subscribed to the Dark Angel server were all sued by Dish Network

Never heard about ALL? Thought they picked some easy targets?

[pugsycan]

Though I heard 70 But that could be wrong as the only ones that would know are the ones that got the letters and the ones that sent them
Never heard about ALL? Thought they picked some easy targets?

[brat427]

end-users that were subscribed to the Dark Angel server were all sued by Dish Network

hey timster, wow never even heard of them.

brat427

[beetlejuicecan]

end-users that were subscribed to the Dark Angel server were all sued by Dish Network

I have yet to see any actual proof of any end user from d.a case being sued.Their was one document spread over many sites but no other proof anywhere

[ignored ant]

I have yet to see any actual proof of any end user from d.a case being sued.Their was one document spread over many sites but no other proof anywhere

I have read MANY of the court docs of the DA end-users who were sued by DN,Fines ranged from $3500-10,000USD for them.

Dark Angel turned on all their end-users when they got busted.

[Anubis]

I have yet to see any actual proof of any end user from d.a case being sued.Their was one document spread over many sites but no other proof anywhere

You haven't looked very hard.

[dishuser]

I have yet to see any actual proof of any end user from d.a case being sued.Their was one document spread over many sites but no other proof anywhereyou think they needed 70+ seeders?
are you new?

[jedi]

The court doc is full of interesting tid bits..Including a statement that a neighbour saw him removing the IKS server from his residence... How did the neighbour know it was an IKS server?? How did he remove it if he was in a rehab center.. As for the original question we dont know if he is incarcerated or just in a closed rehab process where he is not allowed out of the center..

I think Item 54 of the Compaint said that the neighbour saw E. Bolanos and Y. Bolanos remove the IKS server from their residence.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

The part that got me was the line stating the neighbour observed the removal of the IKS server. How the heck did the neighbour know what the computer ws used for? Unless the neighbour knew he was running a iks server and had seen the actual server there is no way anyone could say hey look there goes a iks server. I sure as heck wouldn''t be able to tell what the components were used for unless I saw them hooked up and what they were running. Something just doesn't sit right there.



That struck out to me also. Was this neighbour spying for Nagra. Did Nagra just contact the neighbour out of the blue and ask if they saw or knew anything. Its very unlikely the neighbour decided to contact Nagra because how would they even know there was a lawsuit or who was suing their neighbour.



This is one of the strangest things I have seen in a Sat lawsuit and I have seen most of them. This will probably end up being a mystery without knowing how this happened.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

wasn't there a reward posted on satscums offering 50K for info on IKS? have not been on that site for some time but recall seeing something of that nature. If it is so, I guess Mr. Neighbor needed a new car.


It would not surprise me to learn the neighbour was offered a reward for any info. Why would any neighbour want to get involved in some Civil lawsuit with their own neighbour. However if someone dangles a carrot then that could help motivation. If it was my case I would want to ask the neighbour on discovery if they were paid for the information provided. Its just so strange that the neighbour just happen to be lookingat the time to observed the removal of the server. Guess if anyone is ever in some position of moving something they ought to make sure that no one can see it happening.



GS2

[dishuser]

It would not surprise me to learn the neighbour was offered a reward for any info. If it was my case I would want to ask the neighbour on discovery if they were paid for the information provided. Its just so strange that the neighbour just happen to be lookingat the time to observed the removal of the server. Guess if anyone is ever in some position of moving something they ought to make sure that no one can see it happening.



GS2
nagra already served him
stands to reason they knocked on neighbour's doors
hell my insurance company combed my whole street about a car accident that happened across town...lol
that's why they're called investigators

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

They had an Anton Pillar Order executed on them ordering the information to be handed to the plaintiff. To avoid that they would have to face contempt charges and if guilty jail time. At what point...

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

nagra already served him
stands to reason they knocked on neighbour's doors
hell my insurance company combed my whole street about a car accident that happened across town...lol
that's why they're called investigators


Its pretty well safe to assume that Nagra went to the neighbour but I would think that most neighbours would not want to get involved in some Civil dispute that involved their own neighbour. Why do that. This is not a criminal matter where the police knocked on your door. Although unlikely unless the neighbour provided an affidavit to observing of the removal then they could find themselves being deposed on it. Its just not worth it so I would not be surprise if there was some offer involved to the neighbour by Nagra. Maybe the neighbour is now getting FreeTv compliments of the plaintiff.



GS2

[dishuser]

Its pretty well safe to assume that Nagra went to the neighbour but I would think that most neighbours would not want to get involved in some Civil dispute that involved their own neighbour. Why do that. This is not a criminal matter where the police knocked on your door. Although unlikely unless the neighbour provided an affidavit to observing of the removal then they could find themselves being deposed on it. Its just not worth it so I would not be surprise if there was some offer involved to the neighbour by Nagra. Maybe the neighbour is now getting FreeTv compliments of the plaintiff.



GS2
satscams(nagra) offered up to $25k for info to IKS servers

[dishuser]

oh and maybe neighbour was a client and offered up info in fear of being prosecuted?
isn't that what rats fear most?prosecution?

[fifties]

That didn't bother Tomico, one of your fellow Canadians, so there are ppl with honor, albeit pitifully few of 'em. <br />
<br />
Now AFA as this server business...Could anyone here ID a server, per se? It's...

[snafued38]

I dont think it really think matters on what was seen ,i have to agree with the inside job. All it takes is 1 to talk and how many of us are here and many other sites?Pay your money and take your chances none of us are untouchable,i think there is no hiding ,everything we do online leaves a trail of some sort.JMO

[GoatMeatPasta]

That struck out to me also. Was this neighbour spying for Nagra. Did Nagra just contact the neighbour out of the blue and ask if they saw or knew anything. Its very unlikely the neighbour decided to contact Nagra because how would they even know there was a lawsuit or who was suing their neighbour.
This is one of the strangest things I have seen in a Sat lawsuit and I have seen most of them. This will probably end up being a mystery without knowing how this happened.

GS2


I don't think it is a mystery. Reads to me like the neighbor was the rat to begin with. I mean, how else would they know the server was being moved?

[DualTest]

I think that Nagra learned from the Nfusion/Ravin case. They knew there was a good chance he was going to get rid of the servers and equipment. How and when the neighbor got involved is anyones guess.

[dslchome]

Unfortunately, I will have to agree 100% with you.

or a Indian reservation, that is protected... not even the local cops can go on Indian reservations.

[pugsycan]

That ignore button works both ways I suggest you use it from now on
I don't think it is a mystery. Reads to me like the neighbor was the rat to begin with. I mean, how else would they know the server was being moved?

[timster]

or a Indian reservation, that is protected... not even the local cops can go on Indian reservations.

the local leos might respect that, but feds usually do whatever the hell they want

[yadnow]

not in india

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

That didn't bother Tomico, one of your fellow Canadians, so there are ppl with honor, albeit pitifully few of 'em.

Now AFA as this server business...Could anyone here ID a server, per se? It's just a computer, and desktop PC's come in a variety of cases at that. Ain't no "distinguishing marks" that I am aware of, to differentiate it.

This "neighbor" was an inside job, in collusion with Charlie, watching for any movement of computer or electronic equipment coming out of the house.

Regarding the DA end-user situation...It seems to me that given Charlies penchant for displaying legal wins over scofflaws on their satscums website, and if they truly did get judgments on 54 or 70 or whatever the number is, doesn't it seem strange that they didn't display the judgments (of course not using the defendants real names, but rather "Doe 1, Doe 2, etc.), to strike further fear into the IKS community, in the hopes of deterring the activity away from nervous users, or those thinking about doing it?

I can't believe they wouldn't use this very damning evidence of the possible consequences, as propaganda on their site.



Tomico had to do what he did to try to carry out that he was not Tomico so not sure how much that had to do with thinking of the customers to thinking how he could carry out his defense. If he had obeyed the Anton Pillar order he would have revealed that he was Tomico. Later on he tried to pin it on someone else being Tomico with planting fake evidence. He was caught because the person was flying a plane and was in the air at the time. There is no activity on Tomico's case in years and the hearing for being in contempt again never happen so I believe he ended up settling.


If you want to look to someone who disobeyed an Anton Pillar in a sat case I think There are better canditates like William Broudreau or Josh & Hanan lis. Broudreau had the biggest balls with just denying to co-operate with the Anton Pillar order. He did not come to court with any other possible motive to not co-operate with the APO nor denying it was him other then to say shove it.




[7] I do have some concerns about whether Mr. Boudreau would surrender himself into custody if the sentence were simply stayed without any terms, however. The record establishes clearly that he has a very troubling attitude towards the obedience of court order. Spence J. found that his contempt of the Anton Pillar order was "egregious". Notwithstanding he was ordered to be imprisoned immediately at the sentencing hearing he did not surrender. Nor did he surrender after a warrant for his arrest was issued (the execution of that warrant was stayed by Justice Labrosse pending this hearing, without prejudice, on July 14, 2005).



[42] Boudreau made no effort to conceal his disrespect and contempt for the Canadian legal system, which he said he considers to be “a joke.” He also admitted that he “doesn’t care” about civil court orders because they are not criminal. Finally, Boudreau has no regard for judgments of the Supreme Court of Canada, which he believes can be “bought.”

[43] Boudreau also testified that he will not obey a law that he believes is wrong.




GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

I don't think it is a mystery. Reads to me like the neighbor was the rat to begin with. I mean, how else would they know the server was being moved?



The mystery I was refering to was not the fact the neighbor co-operated but rather what lead up to the neighbor co-operating and why did he co-operate. I think something had to have occured between the neighbor and the plaintiff before hand for the neighbor to have witnessed the removal of the equipment. Maybe the plaintiff offered a reward or maybe the plaintiff had something on the neighbor themselves to get the cooperation. That is the mystery and for now we can only speculate.



GS2

[fifties]

Tomico had to do what he did to try to carry out that he was not Tomico so not sure how much that had to do with thinking of the customers to thinking how he could carry out his defense.

There is no activity on Tomico's case in years and the hearing for being in contempt again never happen so I believe he ended up settling.


The point is, he never did rat out his customers.

AFA the motivation for that happy consequence, or whatever did or didn't happen to him, all you are doing is speculating.



The mystery I was refering to was not the fact the neighbor co-operated but rather what lead up to the neighbor co-operating and why did he co-operate. I think something had to have occured between the neighbor and the plaintiff before hand for the neighbor to have witnessed the removal of the equipment. Maybe the plaintiff offered a reward or maybe the plaintiff had something on the neighbor themselves to get the cooperation. That is the mystery and for now we can only speculate.

What mystery? This is cut-and-dried. A neighbor is just gonna happen to call Charlie's S.I. Department when he/she sees computers being taken out of a house? :rolleyes:

This "neighbor" was an inside job, in collusion with Charlie, watching for any movement of computer or electronic equipment coming out of the house.

[dslchome]

That struck out to me also. Was this neighbour spying for Nagra. Did Nagra just contact the neighbour out of the blue and ask if they saw or knew anything. Its very unlikely the neighbour decided to contact Nagra because how would they even know there was a lawsuit or who was suing their neighbour.




This is one of the strangest things I have seen in a Sat lawsuit and I have seen most of them. This will probably end up being a mystery without knowing how this happened.



GS2


Perhaps they just asked the guy next door and he remembered seeing his neighbor moving a large quantity of computers from his residence.

Im sure If I was outside letting my dogs out and I saw the guy next door and they were removing 20 computers from there house and putting them in a van , Im sure it would be something I would remember.

remember 911, I mean wouldn't you remember if you saw the guy next door removing a large amount of servers and computers from his or her house?

If the PC were new in the box I might think perhaps he or she sold them on ebay... however I would remember.

is it in the PDF about the neighbor?

[jcheve]

lesson for me here is dont join any server with a public forum/website thats where it all begins... they find out who owns it and follow the trail....

[dslchome]

lesson for me here is dont join any server with a public forum/website thats where it all begins... they find out who owns it and follow the trail....

well nexiks was invite ONLY!....

not just any joe could go there and join.

HOWEVER...... once they advertised here, I had a feeling somthing would happen.


however when they were invite forum only, and not just any joe could join, i felt it was safer then all the rest.

anyways.

[lemming]

There is obviously an inside rat. Even resellers are falling on this one. House of cards.

[Crazy Carl]

yeah seems like charlie wants all the chocolate stolen from he's factory

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

The point is, he never did rat out his customers.

AFA the motivation for that happy consequence, or whatever did or didn't happen to him, all you are doing is speculating.


No some is taken directly from the court docs. Its not speculation. I only speculated with saying I believe by now he settled and said it was what I believe. Did not say it was fact.




What mystery? This is cut-and-dried. A neighbor is just gonna happen to call Charlie's S.I. Department when he/she sees computers being taken out of a house? :rolleyes:


For me its a mystery on how this all came to happen with the neighbor and is not cut and dried. Its not a mystery that the neighbor helped Charlie, that is cut and dried. Its speculation that the neighbor contacted the S.I. dept. Maybe the S.I. departmernt contacted the neighbor for assistance.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Perhaps they just asked the guy next door and he remembered seeing his neighbor moving a large quantity of computers from his residence.

Im sure If I was outside letting my dogs out and I saw the guy next door and they were removing 20 computers from there house and putting them in a van , Im sure it would be something I would remember.

remember 911, I mean wouldn't you remember if you saw the guy next door removing a large amount of servers and computers from his or her house?

If the PC were new in the box I might think perhaps he or she sold them on ebay... however I would remember.

is it in the PDF about the neighbor?


It could be that they asked the neighbor. That is what I say remains a mystery on how that happened. I have never seen that before in a court case and now one that is involved should think about their neighbors and make sure they dont hear or see anything.



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[dslchome]

There is obviously an inside rat. Even resellers are falling on this one. House of cards.

Nex is not a rat

[lemming]

Nex is not a rat

Did I say Nex is a rat? No, I did not. Now his son may be a different story. Read the docs and explain what he was going to give in order for just a 5k settlement. I will give you a few, then please tell me how it is. I am sure a really good guy that got served because of this would like to know.

@13X

[dslchome]

Did I say Nex is a rat? No, I did not. Now his son may be a different story. Read the docs and explain what he was going to give in order for just a 5k settlement. I will give you a few, then please tell me how it is. I am sure a really good guy that got served because of this would like to know.

@13X


yea I would like to know.

[lemming]

yea I would like to know.

Your supposed to tell me. You are sure Nex is not a rat, now how are you so sure? What about the son? How was the nexgen case filed? Who is the inside rat?

[JCO]

yea I would like to know.

Maybe you should consider sitting in court when the case comes up.. Then you will get a good idea of who did what..

[No-Name]

That didn't bother Tomico, one of your fellow Canadians, so there are ppl with honor, albeit pitifully few of 'em.

Now AFA as this server business...Could anyone here ID a server, per se? It's just a computer, and desktop PC's come in a variety of cases at that. Ain't no "distinguishing marks" that I am aware of, to differentiate it.

This "neighbor" was an inside job, in collusion with Charlie, watching for any movement of computer or electronic equipment coming out of the house.

Regarding the DA end-user situation...It seems to me that given Charlies penchant for displaying legal wins over scofflaws on their satscums website, and if they truly did get judgments on 54 or 70 or whatever the number is, doesn't it seem strange that they didn't display the judgments (of course not using the defendants real names, but rather "Doe 1, Doe 2, etc.), to strike further fear into the IKS community, in the hopes of deterring the activity away from nervous users, or those thinking about doing it?

I can't believe they wouldn't use this very damning evidence of the possible consequences, as propaganda on their site.

For the D.A. people that got letters and paid. Satscams CANNOT post these people as victories. They have NOT been found guilty in a court of law. By the letter of the law they are considered innocent. I suspsect that ones that posted are the ones who ignored the letter

[dslchome]

Maybe you should consider sitting in court when the case comes up.. Then you will get a good idea of who did what..

YEA....... great point!

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

For the D.A. people that got letters and paid. Satscams CANNOT post these people as victories. They have NOT been found guilty in a court of law. By the letter of the law they are considered innocent. I suspsect that ones that posted are the ones who ignored the letter


People who settle and pay on a demand letter to so partly to not be named in public. I think if they ever posted actual people who settled to avoid court and the public they could open themselves up to trouble.



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[fifties]

What mystery? This is cut-and-dried. A neighbor is just gonna happen to call Charlie's S.I. Department when he/she sees computers being taken out of a house?




For me its a mystery on how this all came to happen with the neighbor and is not cut and dried. Its not a mystery that the neighbor helped Charlie, that is cut and dried. Its speculation that the neighbor contacted the S.I. dept. Maybe the S.I. departmernt contacted the neighbor for assistance.

GS2
The neighbor boned this IKS operator (now I forgot who we are even talking about) by ratting him out to Charlie; that's a fact.

It is doubtful that the neighbor was cognizant enough of the workings of Nagra signal integrity, to initiate contact with the proper department on his or her own. Now even if he/she called general customer service, they would have had to know what their IKS operator neighbor was doing, and that it was illegal.

So either they were aware of the goings-on next door by themselves, or were contacted by Charlie. Now how would Charlie know which house the IKS operation was inside of, in the first place, in order to contact a neighbor?

And if they did know that, why dick around with a neighbor when they could have simply gotten a search warrant, as they have in other cases, such as the Sonysat server operation in the northeast, the Sonicview dealer whom I think was in Florida, etc.?

Beyond that, they generated what is certain to be immense hostility with the subject individual, and a war with a next door neighbor is the last thing anyone would want. Either they didn't get along with him in the first place, or were offered a pretty penny from Charlie.

I just don't see too much mystery here.


Regarding the DA end-user situation...It seems to me that given Charlies penchant for displaying legal wins over scofflaws on their satscums website, and if they truly did get judgments on 54 or 70 or whatever the number is, doesn't it seem strange that they didn't display the judgments (of course not using the defendants real names, but rather "Doe 1, Doe 2, etc.), to strike further fear into the IKS community, in the hopes of deterring the activity away from nervous users, or those thinking about doing it?

I can't believe they wouldn't use this very damning evidence of the possible consequences, as propaganda on their site.


For the D.A. people that got letters and paid. Satscams CANNOT post these people as victories. They have NOT been found guilty in a court of law. By the letter of the law they are considered innocent. I suspsect that ones that posted are the ones who ignored the letter
Good point. I don't frequent Satscums, so I wonder how many D.A. end-users they got actual judgments on.
Another interesting tidbit would be the amount Charlie's ambulance chasers managed to extract; possibly the same as Dave extorted, around $3700 I believe.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

The neighbor boned this IKS operator (now I forgot who we are even talking about) by ratting him out to Charlie; that's a fact.

It is doubtful that the neighbor was cognizant enough of the workings of Nagra signal integrity, to initiate contact with the proper department on his or her own. Now even if he/she called general customer service, they would have had to know what their IKS operator neighbor was doing, and that it was illegal.

So either they were aware of the goings-on next door by themselves, or were contacted by Charlie. Now how would Charlie know which house the IKS operation was inside of, in the first place, in order to contact a neighbor?

And if they did know that, why dick around with a neighbor when they could have simply gotten a search warrant, as they have in other cases, such as the Sonysat server operation in the northeast, the Sonicview dealer whom I think was in Florida, etc.?

Beyond that, they generated what is certain to be immense hostility with the subject individual, and a war with a next door neighbor is the last thing anyone would want. Either they didn't get along with him in the first place, or were offered a pretty penny from Charlie.

I just don't see too much mystery here.


The mysterious part I raised has to do with the questions you raised. We don't know how it came about. I would speculate that Nagra contacted the neighbor and took the iniative but since I haven't seen this before in a lawsuit it could be the other way around. Maybe they did not get along as neighbors, had a prior conflict and the neighbor did not mind contacting the plaintif. Did this case have a civil seizure order. ?



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[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Since this defendant meet with the plaintiff and signed a settlement agreement on March 15th that is alleged to have been breach ten days later I suspect the plaintiff then approached the neighbor to see if they had any information or could they watch for any activity from their neighbor.


This defendant had to turn over things, disclose location of the server and pay $5,000 to the plaintiff. Now they will be looking at much worse. Their financial exposure can now be in the millions and they will still be probably ordered to turn the same things over from the court. Now the plaintiffs never get anything remotely close to the judgments they get but they have seized property and homes in the past. I am nor sure I understand the wisdom in what they are doing unless its about protecting others from potential legal exposure if they had to turn over sensitive documents that could expose others.



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[lemming]

GS2, have you ever seen a settlement ammount of 5k for such a case? I know I have not.

@13X

[dslchome]

GS2, have you ever seen a settlement ammount of 5k for such a case? I know I have not.

@13X


this really sums up to.... IKS is not as safe as some people want to believe.

and if you think you are going to start a IKS server be ready for the consequences if you get found out.

you know dish can do things to cards to find out if they are being streesed... You have no idea what Kedeski group can do.

I have read on thier site, they have other products also.

however they can tell if a card is being used then they can wipe the teirs...,, but even then you are not busted.

if you are a hard ass and... well I dont want to go on . i do not want to get off subject.
point is..

careful please this is no JOKE anymore.... DN not playing games.. it will effect your LIFE if you make a Iks server and get busted.

[dishuser]

Your supposed to tell me. You are sure Nex is not a rat, now how are you so sure? What about the son? How was the nexgen case filed? Who is the inside rat?

dan caban ;)

[kenkell1]

Perhaps nobody from DA paid a thing because maybe there was no end users ever really charged? Who are we to believe? DN?? Nagra?? Satscums?? lol

[lemming]

dan caban ;)

Lol sre would not be the first time, would it?

[dishuser]

Lol sre would not be the first time, would it?
no it wouldn't
he has a knack on either being made webmaster or admin at sat sites

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

GS2, have you ever seen a settlement ammount of 5k for such a case? I know I have not.

@13X


No because they are usually private and not published when settled out of court. In this case it has been brought up for the alleged breach of it.


Obviously 5k is very little and it will be small or smaller if you agree and they then avoid a bunch of lawyers fees. There could have been some cooperation involved with the settlement thus the small amount. We know the agreement asked for cooperation in turning over the server, documents, devices, receivers, software etc but there could have been more that has not been mentioned in the complaint.



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