Raffi torres gets 25 game suspension

[whiteheather]

Wow. i feel this is rather heavy.. even with his record..Shanahan is not consistent with his judgements....Keith only got 3 games for his hit on Sedin
and Sedin was out for a month....C'mon Shanny get it together...pity there wasn't a penalty for poor reffereing........W/H

[TLG]

History has come back to bite Raffi Torres. <br />
<br />
The Phoenix Coyotes winger has been suspended by the National Hockey League for 25 games after a hit on Chicago’s Marian Hossa in Game 3 of the opening...

[mlew2]

25 for a hit??? the head hunters of late have only received 5 or less

[TLG]

Raffi Torres is a very dangerous man ... and deserves all he gets
the sooner Pheonix gets eliminated the more regular season games
he'll miss ,, where it will hit him in the pocketbook more than it does
in the playoffs.

[timster]

too heavy? he violated 3 rules; interference, charging and illegal checking to the head. ntm, he'd been fined or suspended quite a few times over the last few seasons

he's lucky to still be in the NHL

[TLG]

14371

the guy looks demented

[JCO]

14371

the guy looks demented

Slight resemblance to an ape if you ask me..LOL

[Sherlock]

Penalties are suppose to be consistant and warrented.
Looks like Shananhan has taken the refs out of the game.
They didn't even give him 2 minutes on ice but the league gives him 1500+ MINUTES?

[Anubis]

Raffi Torres is a very dangerous man ... and deserves all he gets
the sooner Pheonix gets eliminated the more regular season games
he'll miss ,, where it will hit him in the pocketbook more than it does
in the playoffs.
Wrong...
Anyone that has played junior(as I did) and above have what's called bonus incentives for playoffs.
In the nhl the bonuses can be for a numeber of things such as 5gs for an assist etc.
Playoff bonuses are major coin to a professional unless said palyer has no bonuses in his contract but most do.


25 for a hit??? the head hunters of late have only received 5 or less
It was a late hit period. Not to mentioned expanded with what we called "springing weight". I don't' care what you say.
Raffi had plenty of time to cut to the left instead or slowing than going straight actually.
He has done the same thing numerous times.

Sorry I'll shut up now.:D

[TLG]

well first,,,,, he plays 20 mins per game ... so he got 500 mins !

second

bet your happy it wasn't your son passed out on the ice like that ??

it's a game !!!!! ... not Roman Gladiators in the Colosseum ...

[TLG]

Wrong...
Anyone that has played junior(as I did) and above have what's called bonus incentives for playoffs.
In the nhl the bonuses can be for a numeber of things such as 5gs for an assist etc.
Playoff bonuses are major coin to a professional unless said palyer has no bonuses in his contract but most do.


It was a late hit period. I don't' care what you say.
Raffi had plenty of time to cut to the left instead or slowing than going straight actually.
He has done the same thing numerous times.

Sorry I'll shut up now.:D


yeup you are right ... but i never said he wasn't getting paid (at all) in the playoffs
I said he'll lose more money from regular season games ....

[lordbeazly]

hockey is a tough sport i quit watching the game in the 90's for 2 reasons 1.montreal traded roy .2 hockey was turning to ballet on skates hockey is suppose to have crushing hits never mind this no contact garbage that people like to watch i think this guy should get a bonus not suspended but hey but that is just my opinion like i said i quit watching the skating ballet in the 90's

[mlew2]

Wrong...
Anyone that has played junior(as I did) and above have what's called bonus incentives for playoffs.
In the nhl the bonuses can be for a numeber of things such as 5gs for an assist etc.
Playoff bonuses are major coin to a professional unless said palyer has no bonuses in his contract but most do.


It was a late hit period. Not to mentioned expanded with what we called "springing weight". I don't' care what you say.
Raffi had plenty of time to cut to the left instead or slowing than going straight actually.
He has done the same thing numerous times.

Sorry I'll shut up now.:D

I didn't see it in "real time" I just saw the last split second of it I just thought 25 for a hit was a little much

Now I will shut up LOL no worries everyone is allowed to have an opinion and that is all mine was as dumb as it might have been LOL

[mlew2]

hockey is a tough sport i quit watching the game in the 90's for 2 reasons 1.montreal traded roy .2 hockey was turning to ballet on skates hockey is suppose to have crushing hits never mind this no contact garbage that people like to watch i think this guy should get a bonus not suspended but hey but that is just my opinion like i said i quit watching the skating ballet in the 90's

Roy told them to trade him LOL from what I remember

[JCO]

Roy told them to trade him LOL from what I remember

Its worth seeing the hit in slow motion, Torres jumped up off the ice to put his shoulder in the players face when he made contact.. It was a dirty hit..Thank God the guy is not an invalid today..

[Anubis]

yeup you are right ... but i never said he wasn't getting paid (at all) in the playoffs
I said he'll lose more money from regular season games ....
You make more in playoffs. One game could be 50-100gs if you perform in the playoffs and hit the one bonus, pay off.. however in regular season your regular paycheck is based on your salary of signed contract regardless of in the minors or in the bigs.
The big bucks are in the playoffs.
So theoretically, no he loses more in the playoffs.
In one game with his bonus plus salary he lost 3-4(minimum depending on signing bonuses) mnths pay as opposed to 1 mnth.

[Anubis]

Its worth seeing the hit in slow motion, Torres jumped up off the ice to put his shoulder in the players face when he made contact.. It was a dirty hit..Thank God the guy is not an invalid today..
Thought I covered "springing weight" in post #9.:innocent:

[alfa1953]

For comparison look at the Todd Bertuzzi suspension after he ended Steve Moore's career. He only served a 20-game suspension in 2004 & because the 2004-2005 season was cancelled he was allowed to return in the fall of 2005. As far as I'm concerned, he got away with a lot & lost whatever respect I had for him as a player.

[TLG]

You make more in playoffs. One game could be 50-100gs if you perform in the playoffs and hit the one bonus, pay off.. however in regular season your regular paycheck is based on your salary of signed contract regardless of in the minors or in the bigs.
The big bucks are in the playoffs.
So theoretically, no he loses more in the playoffs.
In one game with his bonus plus salary he lost 3-4(minimum depending on signing bonuses) mnths pay as opposed to 1 mnth.


I'm not sure how it works in the minors .. nor am I sure how contracts work in the NHL

I always thought that NHL'ers played the playoff for the privilege of getting their name
on the cup. A live time achievement etched in a trophy for all to see and acknowledge for
generations. .... 4th round bonus. and oh yeah (a $20,000.00 ring)

If the playoff pay is true ,, as you mention .. then why don't Russians perform in them ??
it has long been rumoured that they don't perform because they don't get paid nor do they
care for Lord Stanley ..

[whiteheather]

whilst I will agree to disagree... the 25 games is a lot. there has been more bad hits gone undetected, and some that have, the penalties in some... not enough, and in others too much...and again a lot of poor officiating.......................Shanny is Betmans puppet.......................

[mlew2]

Its worth seeing the hit in slow motion, Torres jumped up off the ice to put his shoulder in the players face when he made contact.. It was a dirty hit..Thank God the guy is not an invalid today..
If that was the case then I am more inclined to agree with the penalty I may not have seen it clearly nor the "whole picture"

[Anubis]

I'm not sure how it works in the minors .. nor am I sure how contracts work in the NHL

I always thought that NHL'ers played the playoff for the privilege of getting their name
on the cup. A live time achievement etched in a trophy for all to see and acknowledge for
generations. .... 4th round bonus. and oh yeah (a $20,000.00 ring)

If the playoff pay is true ,, as you mention .. then why don't Russians perform in them ??
it has long been rumoured that they don't perform because they don't get paid nor do they
care for Lord Stanley ..

100% with you.
The problem is that the "QUEST FOR THE HOLY GRAIL" has become beyond playing the game for its true sport.

I MISS SHINNY!:dancing_peng:

[clarkie]

Brendan Shanahan is a JOKE , Bettman is a JOKE the NHL is a Joke...hockey used to be a great game and i all so played Jr hockey , to busy trying to get the people in the south in to the sport..instead.. they never had this in the days past..the ref and the league have made it a bush league .. bring back fighting and c what would happen to all these cheap shots..a eye for a eye.. and dont worry about 25 games ...their players will handle the calls themselves

[TLG]

to get rid of the concussions ..
1 trick that will help is to bring back that 1cm thick foam shoulder and elbow pad of the 70's

let's see then who gives a running jumping shoulder or elbow shot ..

todays equipment allows for these type of hits cause the player giving them doesn't feel a thing
while the guy getting hit ... gets hit to tomorrow .. cause he's knocked out till he wakes up the next day ...


let's face it .. todays players are 6'2" and 220lbs of lean mean machine ... add armour to that and you have
a recipe for alot of hurt

[KIDWCKED]

Roy told them to trade him LOL from what I remember

Definately rings a bell.I think the habs were losing 12-0 and they didn't pull him.When roy went to the bench he said that is the last game i will play for Montreal.I believe he won a stanley cup the following year with Colorado.As far as the hit.Hossa didn't even have the puck..Hmmmmmm.Dirty!!

[mlew2]

Definately rings a bell.I think the habs were losing 12-0 and they didn't pull him.When roy went to the bench he said that is the last game i will play for Montreal.I believe he won a stanley cup the following year with Colorado.As far as the hit.Hossa didn't even have the puck..Hmmmmmm.Dirty!!

Yes that is what happened with Roy not sure of the score but along that line

[XFILES]

A sneaky,blind-siding, off-ice jumping, head-hunter IS getting his just desserts--and its about freaking time.
OK, this is the NEW standard--forget about 1 or 2 or 3 games given for similiar or worse crap that has been given out recently--this is what all headhunters should now expect.
Shanny has just admitted that he was wrong--was not doing enough AND has corrected the problem.
Lets see how many bone-heads r ready to donate 30% of their millions to the cause now.
You would have thought this would have happened about 30 min. after Crosby.
Better late than never.

[XFILES]

Brendan Shanahan is a JOKE , Bettman is a JOKE the NHL is a Joke...hockey used to be a great game and i all so played Jr hockey , to busy trying to get the people in the south in to the sport..instead.. they never had this in the days past..the ref and the league have made it a bush league .. bring back fighting and c what would happen to all these cheap shots..a eye for a eye.. and dont worry about 25 games ...their players will handle the calls themselves

Guess u werent around in the 70's to watch the Flyers terrorize the NHL. That makes the present-day leaque look like a Borg-Mcenroe match.
Its 10 times more skillfull,fast and exciting as ever--BUT--it does still have its share of neanderthals, which are always going to need weeding out.Also, as previous poster stated, the new equipment has not kept-up with the speed and size increase and this is what will seriously cut-down on all this ever-increasing head trauma because there is no way u can legislate size and speed.
Still the best game in town--but not perfect.

[Anubis]

Guess u werent around in the 70's to watch the Flyers terrorize the NHL. That makes the present-day leaque look like a Borg-Mcenroe match.
Its 10 times more skillfull,fast and exciting as ever--BUT--it does still have its share of neanderthals, which are always going to need weeding out.Also, as previous poster stated, the new equipment has not kept-up with the speed and size increase and this is what will seriously cut-down on all this ever-increasing head trauma because there is no way u can legislate size and speed.
Still the best game in town--but not perfect.

Most teams are looking for size and bulk now as combining speed. So yes neanderthals but those that can hit and shoot a puck.
As for the equipment factor you state new equipment development never kept up...they advanced to creating the equivenlent of football shoulder pads with hard body shells devoloped exclusively to the players body long time ago.

[JCO]

Guess u werent around in the 70's to watch the Flyers terrorize the NHL. That makes the present-day leaque look like a Borg-Mcenroe match.
Its 10 times more skillfull,fast and exciting as ever--BUT--it does still have its share of neanderthals, which are always going to need weeding out.Also, as previous poster stated, the new equipment has not kept-up with the speed and size increase and this is what will seriously cut-down on all this ever-increasing head trauma because there is no way u can legislate size and speed.
Still the best game in town--but not perfect.

Flyers and Boston in those days were physical, but no life threatening blows were handed out.. Todays ultra violent hockey if allowed to continue will become MMA on skates..
Goons are a dime a dozen, skaters and stickhandlers are a lot rarer..

[knd911]

What a joke. The Keith hit was lot more dirty and dangerous than this and he got 5 games. Weber cracked the helmet of Zetterberg by smashing his head against the boards and that was not deemed dangerous. How does Shannahan sleep at night?? He is a joke and a disgrace to all hockey players.

[Night Prowler]

Shanahan has to go....he makes good calls and bad calls....very inconsistent.....The Torres hit could have ended with very serious results just as all heads shots could......I don't care if the player was hurt or not and intentional or not Shanahan.....make a set guide line 1st offense 2 games.....2nd offense 5 games and so on.....but Torres got what he deserved.....;)

[Nostradamus]

he probably got about 15 more games off than he deserved but he has a reputation for dirty hits and similar incidents so they tossed the book at him. The fact he left his feet to deliver it was did him in, also the fact that the guy he hit is known to be a wuss never really helped his cause either. had he just stood there the results would have been the same except no suspension

[tanger]

I don't know what to think anymore. Obviously the hit was dirty, he jumped, he turned with his opposite shoulder and launched himself at Hossa, and I honestly believe he intended to hurt him. But I was expecting 15 +/- games, not 25. And as others have mentioned, the Keith elbow on Sedin was just as bad IMO and he only got 5 games; you could also argue that Torres' hit was more of a 'hockey play' than Keith's elbow. What I'm still perplexed about is how Weber and Burns got off scott-free.

[tanger]

14371

the guy looks demented


Kinda looks like Jay-Z if you ask me... ;)

NHL Players do not get paid for the playoffs, aside from any bonuses worked into their contracts. Their contracts are only for the regular season...so if Phoenix makes it far enough, Torres may not even lose any money out of this. He may have had bonuses in his contract but I highly doubt it...its Torres....coach puts him on the ice for one reason, and one reason only.

If you want to see less devastating hits you have to slow the game down. After all the post-lockout rules, everyone can skate around unimpeded at full speed hitting anything in site. I would not want to be a defenceman in this era of the NHL.