be carefully i find this on my inbox today

[marinerito]

Dear abadss.com member,

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida (Tampa Division) has entered a final judgment against abadss finding it in violation of the DMCA and other federal statutes and finding that the satellite receiver software distributed on abadss “was primarily designed, marketed and used to facilitate piracy of DISH Network programming.” DISH and NagraStar were awarded $8,993,600.00 in statutory damages.

The website abadss, including all user records, posts, and files have been forfeited to DISH and NagraStar. You should expect to be contacted by an investigator or attorney working on behalf of DISH Network and NagraStar.

[ssaetern]

Dear abadss.com member,

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida (Tampa Division) has entered a final judgment against abadss finding it in violation of the DMCA and other federal statutes and finding that the satellite receiver software distributed on abadss “was primarily designed, marketed and used to facilitate piracy of DISH Network programming.” DISH and NagraStar were awarded $8,993,600.00 in statutory damages.

The website abadss, including all user records, posts, and files have been forfeited to DISH and NagraStar. You should expect to be contacted by an investigator or attorney working on behalf of DISH Network and NagraStar.


I also got this in my inbox today. You guys think this is legit?

[slugworth]

good thing you used a bogus name for the email account and didn't use your main real email address.

[caretaker69]

doubt that would be enuff just being member of the forum.unless something else was involved

[lemming]

In the docs they were mainly interested in those posting 3rd party files. I wa

[homer_™]

It's not a crime to be a member of any site. Posting third party files may be an issue though.

That site required vip status to see pictures and to access files, so if you paid for vip status there may be a paper trail.

[lemming]

Forgot the VIP. Very good point Homer™

[fifties]

be carefully i find this on my inbox today

Uh huh.

Who sent it? I didn't get anything, and I joined there ages ago.



EDIT; BTW, I had plenty of running gun battles with GS-2 and others at SatScams before it flipped to DN, and they seized the DB.

They even referenced PM's between me and Bob (TDG) in their tort against him.

Not a damn thing happened to me. Posting on the net is our God-given right.

AFA posting files, I think anyone who did it before the judge made the ruling in TDG case that determined their illegality, would be safe, simply because it wasn't a crime when they did it. JMO.




That site required vip status to see pictures and to access files, so if you paid for vip status there may be a paper trail.
Still not against the law to donate to a site, and I have yet to hear of them going after an end-user of a downloaded file, as their only evidence of signal theft. AFA uploading, the only one I have heard of getting busted for this, was TDG.

[Guess Who]

I joined this site a while back. Posted on it, and then left when I found out they were based out of the U.S.

[slugworth]

if you got that you must have gotten the warning over a year ago in the feb 01 2011 email
(shortened version)


Hello,

My partner does not want me to tell you this, but I would not log back into abadss ever
again. I'm very sorry to inform you that abadss has been compromised. No information will
be given up but we want you to stay safe. Clearly you have seen lately that we no longer
support 3rd party software or PS anymore. I'm sure you kind of thought it would come to
this at some point and now it has.

[lonster1]

I was an ESH and a VIP over there and have not received the email.
I did get the shortened one, I also got the MFN one, I was there when they were hacked and so on.

The ABA saga continues, but soon Im sure there will be an end.

As fifties said, being a VIP means nothing. There were many other reasons to become a VIP other than the dl of files.

Remember, when the first hack occurred there was a backup installed that needed almost all files on the site to be reposted, post counts were lost etc.
After the second hack, there may have been extra precautions taken pertaining the db (pure speculation of course).

Im curious if any other "staff" (as they were called) have received the email. I know of some who have not.

[Mc418z]

Yeah yeah me three, that email was nothing more than an attempt to intimidate, let them have fun proving anythink let alone tracking anyone down. I don't think it means a dam thing, when the Popo come a knocking then start worrying.

[lemming]

Lol satfta, blacklist, are two more that come to mind, blind scan, lingo, two more. If I was to think a little, I could name a few more that a monetary judgement was awarded for posting files.

[lemming]

Eric (IE entertainment, admin) was cooperating with Dish before any case was ever filed. Also, when they have the db, they have pm's also. Hope nobody was buying/resaling IKS. Who knows might be nothing at all. Nodody believed the DA leters either lol. ;)

[ruthie]

LOL//there new welcome page has this...



Thank you for visiting DISH Network and NagraStar’s ABADss.com.










and a whole warning sending peeps to satscams ...LOL visit away peeps.......NOT

[slugworth]

Lol satfta, blacklist, are two more that come to mind, blind scan, lingo, two more. If I was to think a little, I could name a few more that a monetary judgement was awarded for posting files.

I miss the classic fights I had with satfta and thebroken
the good old days.

[surfinisfun]

I was an ESH and a VIP over there and have not received the email.
I did get the shortened one, I also got the MFN one, I was there when they were hacked and so on.

The ABA saga continues, but soon Im sure there will be an end.

As fifties said, being a VIP means nothing. There were many other reasons to become a VIP other than the dl of files.

Remember, when the first hack occurred there was a backup installed that needed almost all files on the site to be reposted, post counts were lost etc.
After the second hack, there may have been extra precautions taken pertaining the db (pure speculation of course).

Im curious if any other "staff" (as they were called) have received the email. I know of some who have not.

As you and i were trolling there the same time i thought i would let you know, nothing was sent my way either.

Haven't been around there in at least a year or so.........writing was on the wall and written in bold as far as i was concerned.

[slugworth]

you had to pay to download files,so I avoided the place.

[SpaceCowboy]

As Homer stated, at that site, in order to get the files you must have a VIP statue, which requires to pay certain amount of dollars!!
Therefore ordinary members like me for example, can not be interviewed by their Lawyers or so called DN Investigators, just because chatting at that Site!!! I had that e-mail in my "in-box" too, in my opinion it is nothing but a scare tactic!

[fifties]

LOL//there new welcome page has this...



Thank you for visiting DISH Network and NagraStar’s ABADss.com.










and a whole warning sending peeps to satscams ...LOL visit away peeps.......NOT
Why not? Is it a violation of the law to visit any website (other than those promoting kiddie pron or terrorism)?

The short answer would be, "no".

[surfinisfun]

It really surprised me how members, some i know would go back there over the last year.
After all the red flags including court docs posted here and elsewhere for user protection, can't teach reality i guess.

[lonster1]

It really surprised me how members, some i know would go back there over the last year.
After all the red flags including court docs posted here and elsewhere for user protection, can't teach reality i guess.

I went back once....
I guess it was curiosity that got the better of me.

Oh well... IMO it is really no different than visiting any other fta site.
All of the major ones are all on the radar Im sure anyways.

Im just around to entertain myself on lull days and help other people where I can.
:)

[ruthie]

Why not? Is it a violation of the law to visit any website (other than those promoting kiddie pron or terrorism)?

The short answer would be, "no".

Its not a crime to google how to make a bomb either but why would i put my ip/mac addy or anything on it???? Just my opinion, if its risky why chance it be it a violation or not.....

[slugworth]

they had stuff other than hacking providers.

[NOKIA™]

they had stuff other than hacking providers.

stuff??... do tell am all eyes... :yikes:

[dishuser]

place had a nagrastar header a year ago
duh...lol

[lonster1]

stuff??... do tell am all eyes... :yikes:

porn...lol....:)

[slugworth]

porn...lol....:)

pictures of barbi bridges not seen on 97w

[justeric1agn]

i just found this in mine. too lol i came here and posted it to warn ya'll http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?106891-i-just-got-a-threating-email-from-abadss-com-member-i-don-t-even-remember <br />
<br />
i...

[justeric1agn]

i can't wait to show them my bills and how much they keep on overcharging me. lol i did log on to find old buds to a useless website. but who cares that ain't illeagal what the providers are doing...

[justeric1agn]

please let them look at my internet bill from charter. it was just paid and cut of in a month. i called them its supposed to be 20.00 a month. it was cut off after only 45 days after may last payment. they sent me a bill for 107 dollars and cut it off. i called goofball who answered phone i need it to work now. so i paid 56 dollars to get ad 20.00 bill paid. and its back on but i need internet from someone else. i don't enjoy screaming at some goofball for hours to get my bill adjusted just because they work for crooks. its the same all over. the providers are the criminals and save your bills and show them to them I am. lol thank god i am on this list i want them to see how i am being ripped off. i have records. . and saved them. i'll gladly give them up to the fbi. these guys need to go to prison. long live FTA

[justeric1agn]

at this point i am at with the overcharges and the screwing these providers are giving out i am actually thinking about trying to go illegal just so i can afford to watch tv. butt its times like...

[csavoia]

Didnt know where to post this. I received a frightening email from abadss.com saying the FBI has taken it over and Nara and echo star I believe were going to be pntacting all members of the website to sue them.

Should I be worried??? I did nothing wrong except join the site.
Never had an email like this sent to me so pretty shook up by it.

This is the email below

Dear abadss.com member,

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida (Tampa Division) has entered a final judgment against xxx.abadss.com finding it in violation of the DMCA and other federal statutes and finding that the satellite receiver software distributed on xxx.abadss.com “was primarily designed, marketed and used to facilitate piracy of DISH Network programming.” DISH and NagraStar were awarded $8,993,600.00 in statutory damages.

The website xxx.abadss.com, including all user records, posts, and files have been forfeited to DISH and NagraStar. You should expect to be contacted by an investigator or attorney working on behalf of DISH Network and NagraStar.

Abadss.com

[justeric1agn]

i apologize but just one more post tonight cause this crap has me so mad and so screaming with laughter it has made me bipolar. it blongs in the joke section. lol these people send out so may fraudulent bills and have the government doing witch huntes it has to backfire. lol have a great night i am at piece and glad they emailed my ass. lol someone move this whole thread to the joke section cause that is what it is. a joke. so they need to investigate themselves. i'll be glad to help them.

[fifties]

Lol satfta, blacklist, are two more that come to mind, blind scan, lingo, two more. If I was to think a little, I could name a few more that a monetary judgement was awarded for posting files.
Thanks for reminding of others who got busted for posting files, but the relevant fact here is that they were profiting, as was TDG, from the endeavor.
Have there been any unknowns, i.e., regular end-users, who were litigated against for the same thing though?


Its not a crime to google how to make a bomb either but why would i put my ip/mac addy or anything on it???? Just my opinion, if its risky why chance it be it a violation or not.....
We look at things differently.

I spent three years of my life "defending the constitution" in military service during a hot war, and I'll be damned if I am gonna be afraid to exercise my first amendment rights because of any fascist corporation, OR the federal government.

[DaddyOof4]

I spent three years of my life "defending the constitution" in military service during a hot war, .

Just wanted to say thanks for that, my 1st born leave for basic on Tuesday.
My problem with ABA is that it was a pay site, and that money will leave a trail...to the vip's

[fifties]

Just wanted to say thanks for that, my 1st born leave for basic on Tuesday.
My problem with ABA is that it was a pay site, and that money will leave a trail...to the vip's
Thank you.

Your boy will come back a man.

I haven't seen anyone busted so far for contributing a donation to an FTA site, and there have been quite a few sites taken down.

[piperider]

i would say there site is hacked if you go to there site it says "Thank you for visiting DISH Network and NagraStar’s ABADss.com" dishnetwork would just shut it down as far as i know not put something like this

[yazz]

http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?106847-be-carefully-i-find-this-on-my-inbox-today

[stone1150]

I belonged to that site too for awhile. Never did spend much time there. I spend my time in the true FTA area at all the sites I belonged to. True FTA is legal. If anyone contacts me about that I will simply tell them that! The H with them. If Nag or the lawyer, (if I even get contacted,) push the issue, i'll just inform them to sue away. Being on disability income as my only income, Federal law states clearly that disability income is exempt and will inform the judge (if ever sued for posting true FTA stuff) of that if they do take me to court and ask for the crap to be dismissed.So from my standpoint, they couldn't get anything even if I did do something to worry about. Just belonging to a site don't mean crap. That said.... If your parinoid.... is there a guilty conscience?

[Turdblossom]

Well, the first obvious conclusion is some one gave up the data base, probably made a deal to save his own ass?

And IMHO dik will not pursue anyone, and this is basically a scare tactic.

In the Dark Angel cases I noticed it started with multiple cases (5 or 6) in the greater Dallas area. Months later other cases were file, most in groups, and mostly in large metro areas. This leads me to believe dik has to hire a licensed lawyer in each area in order to process these cases. And that the legal fees would probably exceed any judgement they received, assuming they could actually collect said judgement. So considering all of the above, I tend to believe dik has an open offer to the legal community in which the lawyer who takes on one of these end user type cases, gets to keep 100% of the judgement. This would be a win win for both pdik and the lawyers, and it keeps dik out of doing collections. This would also also explain why cases are being "bundled" by the lawyers, and why no cases seem to involve a single individual living in a remote area. And of course the DA cases were a slam dunk because they had the cc receipts, so the lawyer knew they had a winner.

As far as the email you guys received, this is not a slam dunk. I doubt any lawyer would want this case, even if they got to keep any proceeds. IMHO this is just a scare tactic, but what ever you do, DO NOT respond to this email.

And btw, did anyone google the name of the sender of this email, just to see what pops up?

[ru_knuts]

hXXp://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?106847-be-carefully-i-find-this-on-my-inbox-today

It's not against the forum rules to post a live link within the satfix website is it?

[Night Prowler]

It's not against the forum rules to post a live link within the satfix website is it?
no it's not.....but some do it just out of habit....:thumbsup:

[dave s]

hi. good morn. well i got the same email this morn. never really went on the site, i sent a reply and told them to lick my sack.and to go f themselves. and to come and get me here in the great white north. have a great long weekend people

[boomtastic]

And btw, did anyone google the name of the sender of this email, just to see what pops up?

I got the same email. I never did anything except login, so I'm not sweating it at all. I looked at the headers of the email (below) and they show it came directly from the ABADSS site and host. So while the contents could be BS, the source is correct.

Delivery-date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:50:10 -0400
Received: from abadss5.nationalnet.com ([66.115.142.240]:44590)

[marinerito]

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: xxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:54:41 AM
Subject: Important Message From Abadss.com

X-Originating-IP: [66.115.142.240]:44590
Country Code State/Region
US GEORGIA
City Postal Code
MARIETTA 30067
ISP Time Zone
NATIONALNET MANAGED SERVICES -05:00
Latitude Longitude
33.9526 -84.54993


Read more: xxx.whatismyip.com

[jazzman]

Well, I received mine in my spam folder this AM which I believe is exactly what it is...Spam. Hell I haven't been to that site in ages and never did pay for VIP status there so let them come...I'm LMAO!

[BigBlackBear]

Yes, I got one also...just delete it.

[Canuckgold]

I got one too. I was just a lurker there and never spent any money. Seeing as I live in Canada, it's doubtful they could do anything even if they could figure out where I am.

CG :)

[hawk2]

I just got mine.:noidea:

[lemming]

Lol yep got mine this morning. Like they have not tried before lol. Now I know this is BS. What are they going to do? Have Fraud visit me again? I never hacked dish EVER, and they know that already. :yeaah:

[fishinguy9]

I beat you all cause I got 2 in my junk box. lol

[surfinisfun]

Now i don't feel left out, got mine to.

Eric, you can piss off. It went right to the spam folder, where it belongs.

[abby]

well if that site had 100,000 members all will get one..you really think there going to go after that many people...lol

[lonster1]

I still haven't gotten one.

Yes, Eric can piss off. He was always a d!ck anyways.

[JCO]

Geez I feel left out... Didnt get an Email, nor did I buy any facebook shares yesterday in the IPO.
Guess that makes me a loser....:tehe:

[Turdblossom]

well if that site had 100,000 members all will get one..you really think there going to go after that many people...lol

Well, they definitely won't be going after the ones that used 10 minute mail....lol

[lemming]

well if that site had 100,000 members all will get one..you really think there going to go after that many people...lol

They had over 500,000 registered. A lot of them were puppets to make membership inflated, but still lol

[abby]

Lol yep got mine this morning. Like they have not tried before lol. Now I know this is BS. What are they going to do? Have Fraud visit me again? I never hacked dish EVER, and they know that already. :yeaah:

you had fraud vist you before really?

[lemming]

you had fraud vist you before really?

Lol long story, but yes. Eh fraud?

@13X

[skatz420]

I tripped over that site on a google search for SV8000 support when I first got into FTA. Was never able to find much positive info there. It came up at the top of the google searches. It took me about a year to stumble upon this site.

[desicat]

Got my email today. I barely remember the site, never paid for vip, never downloaded or uploaded anything. Never did anything but read. It's bull. I not only deleted it but swept if from my email and blocked all future emails from them.

[lemming]

Sorry if I freaked some people out. My visit from fraud had nothing to do with being an enduser, hardly, they mistook me for someone else, a coder. Just because I could code fraud under the table, but NEVER nagra ****. Even if it was free, thier programming sux, big time lol. Not even worth the effort¡

[Turdblossom]

Sorry if I freaked some people out. My visit from fraud had nothing to do with being an enduser, hardly, they mistook me for someone else, a coder. Just because I could code fraud under the table, but NEVER nagra ****. Even if it was free, thier programming sux, big time lol. Not even worth the effort¡

And I thought for sure you were going to say he just stopped by to return a microscope?....lol

[lemming]

And I thought for sure you were going to say he just stopped by to return a microscope?....lol

Lmao, thanks TB. BTW he never did return the scope to Jung. Lol

[mexfta]

i wonder why people think this is a joke...i think dn is doing there homework and have something up there sleeve...ive been around a long time and this dont look good...they prob got names and all ...its not a criminal case but cival and will try to hurt everyones pocketbook....they will buy the judges for sure....cival cases can be brutal....but lets hope for the best....ive had cable for 20 yrs, hope it helps..never did try dn at all....but not a laughing matter....i wish all good luck....peace

[lemming]

i wonder why people think this is a joke...i think dn is doing there homework and have something up there sleeve...ive been
around a long time and this dont look good...they prob got names and all ...its not a criminal case but cival and will try to hurt everyones pocketbook....they will buy the judges for sure....cival cases can be brutal....but lets hope for the best....ive had cable for 20 yrs, hope it helps..never did try dn at all....but not a laughing matter....i wish all good luck....peace
Lol I would normally agree with you, but I have been through their tacticts. If they sent this to those that uploaded files, I could see your point, but that is not the case here. Because I got the same email, I can safely say it was a mass email, meant to intimidate. Like I said b4, I got the email, and they already have investigated me and know I have NEVER EVER hacked d¡sh. They are fishing with out bait.

[justeric1agn]

Lol I would normally agree with you, but I have been through their tacticts. If they sent this to those that uploaded files, I could see your point, but that is not the case here. Because I got the same email, I can safely say it was a mass email, meant to intimidate. Like I said b4, I got the email, and they already have investigated me and know I have NEVER EVER hacked d¡sh. They are fishing with out bait.


thats why i thought it was funny i don't test go to sat sites for the joke sections and pay monthly to dish for worthless programming designed to make you rent pay per views. that should be free,. i thought it was a joke because i don't test ain't smart enough to understand how to get free tv or i would. i pay them every month and i get a threating email. lol when i post copies of this on other sites i put it in the jokes or humor section. cause it is what it is a joke. a bogus threat. an attempt to scare people who are doing wrong to act normal. like walking up behind a pothead and yelling RAID.(then laughing when they eat there bong pipes.) LOL i was mad at first when i got this email then i was just laughing my ass off at it. ok come and get me for paying cable and i read the jokes at satfix. chitco is a bad influence on me always getting me into trouble with the feds by reading his jokes. lol can you see humor in this now. lol oh well i'll be back tommarrow to read more jokes in the jokes section unless i'm working or at the lake. lol

ya'll have a great night and don't let the boogie man emails make you eat your bongpipe.. lol thats a metaphor. lol

[alvergi]

well i got my email too yesterday,and i deleted it right away and if they send me another one .i will give them my full address which is in the middle of nowhere here in saskathewan were are to many native reserve.

[fifties]

i wonder why people think this is a joke...i think dn is doing there homework and have something up there sleeve...ive been around a long time and this dont look good...they prob got names and all ...its not a criminal case but cival and will try to hurt everyones pocketbook....
Well I feel slighted;

I registered there many years ago, and I haven't received any email.

And exactly how would you receive a physical letter, from an ambulance chaser or a court clerk? Registering didn't require giving a name or physical address.

At one time ABA had over 400,000 members, and if you think DN is going to try to trace that many IP's, and then get subpoena's to obtain the IP subscribers information, I'll give ya a choice of bridges to buy.

Oh yeah, and since when was it illegal to browse and post on internet forums?

They don't have dick. Regardless, do not answer their email. This is either a joke, scam, or (most likely) fishing expedition. Not taking the bait by responding means they'll troll elsewhere.

Dave did something similar by mailing out 170,000 letters, and developing 17,000 suits, primarily from responders. The ones who ignored it were the least likely to end up having to pay.

[lemming]

Well I feel slighted;

I registered there many years ago, and I haven't received any email.

And exactly how would you receive a physical letter, from an ambulance chaser or a court clerk? Registering didn't require giving a name or physical address.

At one time ABA had over 400,000 members, and if you think DN is going to try to trace that many IP's, and then get subpoena's to obtain the IP subscribers information, I'll give ya a choice of bridges to buy.

Oh yeah, and since when was it illegal to browse and post on internet forums?

They don't have dick. Regardless, do not answer their email. This is either a joke, scam, or (most likely) fishing expedition. Not taking the bait by responding means they'll troll elsewhere.

Dave did something similar by mailing out 170,000 letters, and developing 17,000 suits, primarily from responders. The ones who ignored it were the least likely to end up having to pay.

Lol even GS2 got one.

[ski4evr]

I got the email and I can guarantee I NEVER registered at this site. I have only registered at 3 places over the past 3 years and this was one of them. I think it is SPAM and they are getting emails from other email address books for emails.

[fifties]

Lol even GS2 got one.
Even funnier given that he's Canadian, so what civil court could they use, even if they had anything on him?

[balls]

I got that e-mail today, I am sure all 500k members will be searching on google trying to find out what's up with that e-mail.

If you just signed up to that site to use the forum I would not worry. I was a Vip user for sometime 2yrs ago.
I would be worried but since I don't live in the US and have no plans of ever going back there, I just want to tell these people to SUCK IT!!
One of the members above raised a good point, if you are in a remote area they are not going to waste their time/ money on you.

Now that DISH took control of that site they are going to search for the main users, the uploaders.

[NOKIA™]

i just got one too ... OMG they are after me ...LOL

i clicked empty junk mail :D

[shinning]

Was in my junk mail. Blocked it.

[russ]

I got one too thru my inbox & I deleted right away

[snowman777]

Mine came in yesterday, I sent it to spam and deleted it.

[firefoxx5]

Got it this morning as well...................u think they can really find me in the jet-i galaxy?! lol!! I'd better hide behind different moon then.

[JAZMINE]

It's not a crime to be a member of any site. Posting third party files may be an issue though.

That site required vip status to see pictures and to access files, so if you paid for vip status there may be a paper trail.

sad to see what our so call freedom is coming to. Soon it will be if we do not have a !0" penis No rights at all. The good usa.

[desicat]

I think people need to quit reading the email from that site. Right click on it, view message source and read it from there. I think its spam and perhaps when you open it they get everyone in your address book and send it to them too. Just send it to spam, delete it and block all future emails from them. I'm from Canada and our laws have changed recently. The most they can get from us if and when proven in court is $5000 and they can't use your ip to prove anything.

[No-Name]

Not true. The same lawfirm represents nagrastar in these cases. Signing up for an FTA forum is not illegal. Downloading and uploading is the illegal part. Or selling items advertised as pirated. I wouldn't worry to much. Scare tactic.

[No-Name]

I think people need to quit reading the email from that site. Right click on it, view message source and read it from there. I think its spam and perhaps when you open it they get everyone in your address book and send it to them too. Just send it to spam, delete it and block all future emails from them. I'm from Canada and our laws have changed recently. The most they can get from us if and when proven in court is $5000 and they can't use your ip to prove anything.

Why not delete the email account.

[h_d]

i wonder why people think this is a joke...i think dn is doing there homework and have something up there sleeve...ive been around a long time and this dont look good...they prob got names and all ...its not a criminal case but cival and will try to hurt everyones pocketbook....they will buy the judges for sure....cival cases can be brutal....but lets hope for the best....ive had cable for 20 yrs, hope it helps..never did try dn at all....but not a laughing matter....i wish all good luck....peace
I have cable forever too so WHY would you be here?Maybe just maybe something besides files?I find was and still is a free to air facebook,a hobby nothing more nothing less.

[ClickerCMG]

Mailer demon,,, I dont use emails!
Wait didn` they ban me too?

[bigdummy]

got mine today too , haven't been there since 07. could not login under my old user name , but somehow they still had the email addy on file .someone handed over the DB and all backups .

[blodgee]

What legal team works on Sunday sending out emails?

[fifties]

Not true. The same lawfirm represents nagrastar in these cases. Signing up for an FTA forum is not illegal. Downloading and uploading is the illegal part. Or selling items advertised as pirated. I wouldn't worry to much. Scare tactic.
I have yet to see anyone busted for D/L files. In fact the effort required for them to locate a specific IP's D/L might not make it cost-effective for them.


What legal team works on Sunday sending out emails?
Good observation.

The question then becomes, if this is not a "legitimate" trolling expedition, what would the point of it be?

[lemming]

The email is from aba acp, no doubt. Probably from Dan Caban since he lost his admin job at nex lol.

[jam25]

i got it also...just checked inbox in email an d saw it.
Dear abadss.com member,

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida (Tampa Division) has entered a final judgment against abadss finding it in violation of the DMCA and other federal statutes and finding that the satellite receiver software distributed on abadss “was primarily designed, marketed and used to facilitate piracy of DISH Network programming.” DISH and NagraStar were awarded $8,993,600.00 in statutory damages.

The website abadss, including all user records, posts, and files have been forfeited to DISH and NagraStar. You should expect to be contacted by an investigator or attorney working on behalf of DISH Network and NagraStar.

[Night_Predator]

Hell I hope they go after each and every one of the 500,000 of us registered members individually. Think of the cost. No attorneys are going to take those cases on contingence. Charlie is going to be writing a whole lot of checks. And not collecting much for the effort. Can anyone say diminishing returns? lol

[DualTest]

I could have sworn I was a member there. But seeing it was VIP, I think I only registered and then never went back. This was in the N1 or early N2 days. I have not received anything.

[desicat]

Just because people register at a site does not make them guilty of anything.

[ClickerCMG]

Grow a beard and close your mail accounts...:) Look at Dishuser heck hes looking like the head shank,,, kinda scary and all..... do we now pay him protection fees? LMFAO..

[brat427]

why would they send you an e-mail and not a letter in the mail like DTV did to me and they were wrong and apologized to me.

[edrik]

i was a member of ftabins, they got shutdown and i never heard anything from anybody.

[ClickerCMG]

Hateful or off topic??

[ClickerCMG]

Who gives a rats azz,,, let them send anything you bought the daum computer and the name and password was on it....Lord forgive me but a gun got off in new york with underage..... aw not worth talking about,,, ,makes me say VERY BAD WORDS..... can I have a song....?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIT4Hk6YP5o&feature=fvst

No need wasting time,,,,

[torpainter]

i was a member of ftabins, they got shutdown and i never heard anything from anybody.

they were not shut down ,they closed up shop of their own accord

[lemming]

they were not shut down ,they closed up shop of their own accord

I thought they were served. Glad to hear they were not.

[blodgee]

The ass/oles? are not going to do dick shet to the single users in my opinion.
More so they are laughing and happy they are intimidating as many members as they can.
As they say in UFC..............Bring it in!

[namesoog]

I just have this picture in my head. A middle age couple eating with their young family and there is a knock on the door. The police come rushing in to confiscate all receivers and computers throwing the people aside and yelling at them that they have papers to do so. Meanwhile the neighbor who is using their open router for his uses sits quietly watching FTA/IKS.
They have to be extremely careful.

[torpainter]

I thought they were served. Glad to hear they were not.

they were served with a supoena,fishing expedtion courtesy of kluvar to try to find out ownership but they did close down on their own

[lonster1]

Im still yet to receive the email.

I have also been a member of a handful of sites that were taken, AAA - Abba - Nex - MFN and so on.....
I have not received anything from any of them.

[edrik]

they were not shut down ,they closed up shop of their own accord

Ah, my bad.
thanks for the info.

[montanamom]

tampa district, ahhh must be nice out there
if Norman Dick was working for dik (and he's canadian) id think they were a tad serious
otherwise?
they make me laugh so much
the ONLY time id be worried is IF you uploaded NOT dll'd any of the iks files to such a site

they (nag and friends) continue to show their own ignorance , silly GITS (and NO thats NOT a british term of endearment- far from it) LOL

tid bit, am going to email the dikheads directly
and c/p that frightnening message with one of my very own...shhhhh lol

[lonster1]

tampa district, ahhh must be nice out there
if Norman Dick was working for dik (and he's canadian) id think they were a tad serious
otherwise?
they make me laugh so much
the ONLY time id be worried is IF you uploaded NOT dll'd any of the iks files to such a site

they (nag and friends) continue to show their own ignorance , silly GITS (and NO thats NOT a british term of endearment- far from it) LOL

tid bit, am going to email the dikheads directly
and c/p that frightnening message with one of my very own...shhhhh lol

It usually is not a good idea to poke a bear, in the end you probably end up feeding it.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Uh huh.

Who sent it? I didn't get anything, and I joined there ages ago.



EDIT; BTW, I had plenty of running gun battles with GS-2 and others at SatScams before it flipped to DN, and they seized the DB.

They even referenced PM's between me and Bob (TDG) in their tort against him.

Not a damn thing happened to me. Posting on the net is our God-given right.

AFA posting files, I think anyone who did it before the judge made the ruling in TDG case that determined their illegality, would be safe, simply because it wasn't a crime when they did it. JMO.


Still not against the law to donate to a site, and I have yet to hear of them going after an end-user of a downloaded file, as their only evidence of signal theft. AFA uploading, the only one I have heard of getting busted for this, was TDG.



I don't think they seized as with a court order. Think it was handed over to them by Jer.


Nothing would happen to you unless they decided to after you for some reason and then they could use it against you along with other things. They are not going to bother anyone who posted a file here and there. Its not worth it but technically it did not become legal, it became 99.9% nothing would ever happen because of the non importance of it. They were estimated up to a million Canadians watching US Sat Tv illegally. Nothing ever happen to them either but its not because it became legal its because there was no value in pursuing any.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Thanks for reminding of others who got busted for posting files, but the relevant fact here is that they were profiting, as was TDG, from the endeavor.
Have there been any unknowns, i.e., regular end-users, who were litigated against for the same thing though?


No end users have not been litigated for the same thing just as Canadian end users were not litigated for watching US Sat broadcast illegally even when they had evidence they did not bother.


The reality is that nothing happens and is extremely unlikely anything would because its just no worth any value to pursue end users especially criminally. It might never happen. But if we are taking strictly on the legality or illegality as a matter of law then its illegal whether a dealer or end user. I could have 5 dishes pointed to DN or Dave in open view in Canada and tell some law enforcement while nothing would ever happen but as a matter of law it was illegal.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Didnt know where to post this. I received a frightening email from abadss.com saying the FBI has taken it over and Nara and echo star I believe were going to be pntacting all members of the website to sue them.

Should I be worried??? I did nothing wrong except join the site.
Never had an email like this sent to me so pretty shook up by it.

This is the email below

Dear abadss.com member,

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida (Tampa Division) has entered a final judgment against xxx.abadss.com finding it in violation of the DMCA and other federal statutes and finding that the satellite receiver software distributed on abadss.com “was primarily designed, marketed and used to facilitate piracy of DISH Network programming.” DISH and NagraStar were awarded $8,993,600.00 in statutory damages.

The website abadss.com, including all user records, posts, and files have been forfeited to DISH and NagraStar. You should expect to be contacted by an investigator or attorney working on behalf of DISH Network and NagraStar.

Abadss.com



No you should not be worried for just joining.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Even funnier given that he's Canadian, so what civil court could they use, even if they had anything on him?


But I actually would welcome a challenge like that. I don't recall ever posting there though. Yup so sue me for joining I'll defend myself lol.



GS2

[fifties]

I don't think they seized as with a court order. Think it was handed over to them by Jer.
Right, he just rolled over and handed it to them out of the goodness of his heart. :rolleyes:

He was in on the conference call between Jung Kwak, FRaud, and the broken (Phil), and I believe was the one who recorded it for the feds and NagraStar. That's when the arrests were then made.

He wouldn't have turned ratt unless there had been an inducement...Either he was bought off, or threatened with litigation.

Regardless, he is just as much to blame for the destruction of this pastime as FRaud is.



Nothing would happen to you unless they decided to after you for some reason and then they could use it against you along with other things. They are not going to bother anyone who posted a file here and there. Its not worth it but technically it did not become legal, it became 99.9% nothing would ever happen because of the non importance of it. They were estimated up to a million Canadians watching US Sat Tv illegally. Nothing ever happen to them either but its not because it became legal its because there was no value in pursuing any.
GS2
The thrust of this thread was the concern about having been a member of a satellite hacking forum, and receiving an email about it. The logical extension would be the fear of ensuing litigation.
My point was that I extensively discussed it, countering what you posted often, on a similar forum, and nothing happened AFA them coming after me.
It breaks no law to be a member of a satellite hacking forum, nor have I seen anyone busted for D/L a bin. There have only been a few cases of litigation for UPloading, and those were against ppl who were proven as having profited from the endeavor, not an ordinary forum member.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Right, he just rolled over and handed it to them out of the goodness of his heart. :rolleyes:


No I think he volunteered it when they put pressure on him but never saw any evidence as seized was what I said. :rolleyes: there lol.



He was in on the conference call between Jung Kwak, FRaud, and the broken (Phil), and I believe was the one who recorded it for the feds and NagraStar. That's when the arrests were then made.

He wouldn't have turned ratt unless there had been an inducement...Either he was bought off, or threatened with litigation.

Regardless, he is just as much to blame for the destruction of this pastime as FRaud is.

Have no idea if he recorded it nor if he was on a conference call. Not saying no just don't know. I never heard that before.



The thrust of this thread was the concern about having been a member of a satellite hacking forum, and receiving an email about it. The logical extension would be the fear of ensuing litigation.
My point was that I extensively discussed it, countering what you posted often, on a similar forum, and nothing happened AFA them coming after me.
It breaks no law to be a member of a satellite hacking forum, nor have I seen anyone busted for D/L a bin. There have only been a few cases of litigation for UPloading, and those were against ppl who were proven as having profited from the endeavor, not an ordinary forum member.


I commented on what you said about not going after you with PMs they had between you and Bob. If the PMs were incriminating against you then they could use it if they ever decided for some reason to go after you. Not saying they have any reason just saying that in theory PMs can be used against you if there is anything said that is incriminating. They can only be used if they go after the person.


I never have nor would I ever say you were breaking any law for being a member of a site. I posted to a member's question about whether he should worry about joining a site. My answer was no there is nothing to worry about. I am a member here and on other sites. I personally will not post a file, not download one, not give advice on how to hack a provider, assist someone to and will becareful not to incriminate myself in posts or PMs for anything.



I merely comment on the law in response to what you say. For example there is nothing in the law that makes it illegal because you profitted and nothing in law that makes it legal because you did not profit. What you have is the very unlikely extremely really of any pursuit for non profit. In Criminal its a waste of tax payer's money and in Civil its not really worth it. In Civil and not very often we could have a providser going after end users to make a statement. Its not about winning in court its just part of the provider's propoganda.


We do have one case in Canada where Videotron is suing Bell alleging they have not done enough to fight their piracy problem so a provider might have to think if they have any liability for not doing enough.




GS2

[Turdblossom]

i was a member of ftabins, they got shutdown and i never heard anything from anybody.


they were not shut down ,they closed up shop of their own accord


I thought they were served. Glad to hear they were not.


they were served with a supoena,fishing expedtion courtesy of kluvar to try to find out ownership but they did close down on their own


The story at the time was that they were soliciting accepting donations from members on line. A disgruntle banned member then contacted the IRS and reported them as having income but not having a non-profit designation........then poof, gone, vanished, no trails...lol. I can't say for sure it's true, but it's what someone wanted put out there.

[snafued38]

I recieved the same email.If they really want to they can cross a border and knock on my door but i doubt it very much.

[cmac633]

Posting on a fourm or newsgroup is your god given right, but you have to watch and make sure that you do not say things that can be used aginest you at a latter time. This was taught to me in the alt.dss.hack days by a guy called Marcus from RCCS.

[scotty25]

If unwanted/unrequested e-mals were sent they are illegal spam
If the lettere are same as Dave's fishing letters DIckN's are also illegal
Isn't all evidenece discovered by illegal methods is considered poisoned

Duty to secure
If the estimated numbers are tru 500K at that site,300K another site , 1M canuks all have means to decrypt make DickN look like they are making sufficient effort to protect its property. The technology exists to better protexct their stream. Is it more profitable to chase so called "pirates" than compete for market share?

JMO

[Highwayman]

The story at the time was that they were soliciting accepting donations from members on line. A disgruntle banned member then contacted the IRS and reported them as having income but not having a non-profit designation........then poof, gone, vanished, no trails...lol. I can't say for sure it's true, but it's what someone wanted put out there.

lol i remember that you have a good memory to bad about bins was
a good site got real crazy in those nfusion hd conversion threads!
I was never a member at the ada site but read today that a former
mod there a nfps/rocket reseller said that email was a hoax
came from a spammer that got to the site email addies.I know
that the rocket site has or had problems with spammers but
members are quick to report them.

[fifties]

Quote Originally Posted by fifties
Right, he just rolled over and handed it to them out of the goodness of his heart. :rolleyes:
No I think he volunteered it when they put pressure on him but never saw any evidence as seized was what I said. :rolleyes: there lol.
He "volunteered" it when they put pressure on him? I doubt that. He had money problems, and even tried to sell the site for 10 grand at one time. He either sold out, or had to turn it over, but given that he never had files hosted on it, I think the former is the more credible.




Quote Originally Posted by fifties He was in on the conference call between Jung Kwak, FRaud, and the broken (Phil), and I believe was the one who recorded it for the feds and NagraStar. That's when the arrests were then made.

He wouldn't have turned ratt unless there had been an inducement...Either he was bought off, or threatened with litigation.

Regardless, he is just as much to blame for the destruction of this pastime as FRaud is.



Have no idea if he recorded it nor if he was on a conference call. Not saying no just don't know. I never heard that before.
I was told, by parties involved.



I am a member here and on other sites. I personally will not post a file, not download one, not give advice on how to hack a provider, assist someone to and will becareful not to incriminate myself in posts or PMs for anything.
I've done all that and more on numerous sites over the years, and have never been contacted by them. I believe they only go after those that profit.


I merely comment on the law in response to what you say. For example there is nothing in the law that makes it illegal because you profitted and nothing in law that makes it legal because you did not profit.
GS2
Yes, here in the U.S., there is no differentiation as to whether one profits or not, in regards to violating the DMCA...Or maybe there's an additional violation, I'm not sure. My point was that Charlie merely seems to want to stop those that offer hacking mechanisms, such as decryption bins for Nagra 1 & 2, and IKS servers in the current environment.




Expert Advice needed
If unwanted/unrequested e-mals were sent they are illegal spam
If the lettere are same as Dave's fishing letters DIckN's are also illegal
Isn't all evidenece discovered by illegal methods is considered poisoned
I don't believe spam is considered illegal, but rather simply an unwanted, unsolicited nuisance.

Ever been in court before? The opposing attorney will say whatever he/she can get away with, to further their contention. Dave's ambulance chasers were able to convince the bench that ordinary items like a smartcard programmer had no other purpose in the world than as pirate hacking devices.

BS, but it worked.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

He "volunteered" it when they put pressure on him? I doubt that. He had money problems, and even tried to sell the site for 10 grand at one time. He either sold out, or had to turn it over, but given that he never had files hosted on it, I think the former is the more credible.


Volunteering on pressure is selling out. There are no court docs or a case where it shows it was seized or he had a court over to turn it over. There was no case and there was no seizure as far as I know. He did decide to cooperate. It would be easier for me to just say it was seized or had a court order to turn over especially in lieu that I was freiendly with him but I saw nothing that suggests that happen.






I've done all that and more on numerous sites over the years, and have never been contacted by them. I believe they only go after those that profit.


Whether they only go after for profit did not make it legal if there was no profit. It just made it not worthwhile. TDG matured into a target with his close relationships with suppliers so they went after him while you and others have simply not done enough to warrant anything nor are there the relationships. Jer put himself out there by becomming close with suppliers and certain people so he made himself a target to go after to help them against others. Now he did have a previously court case that included Dave and Bev and DN from years prior. He could have violated an injunction order from that case or had a judgment against himself that they did not bother to collect with them turning around and saying well now we are going to go after you for violating an injunction or collection on our judgment unless you cooperate. I think he got pressure like that, that resulted in the volunterring to cooperate without a seizure.




GS2

[fifties]

Volunteering on pressure is selling out. There are no court docs or a case where it shows it was seized or he had a court over to turn it over. There was no case and there was no seizure as far as I know. He did decide to cooperate. It would be easier for me to just say it was seized or had a court order to turn over especially in lieu that I was freiendly with him but I saw nothing that suggests that happen.
They had nothing on him insofar as the Satscams website was concerned, because he didn't host files and there was no discussion on how to receive DN or Bev's signal, nor any coding material, such as at the old card-coders. In short, given that the site was originally devoted to exposing scammers in the hobby, DN wouldn't have had a prayer to get it shut down.

He must have been bought off.



Whether they only go after for profit did not make it legal if there was no profit. It just made it not worthwhile. TDG matured into a target with his close relationships with suppliers so they went after him while you and others have simply not done enough to warrant anything nor are there the relationships. Jer put himself out there by becomming close with suppliers and certain people so he made himself a target to go after to help them against others.
Nobody said it was legal just because they didn't profit from it. I pointed out that the only ones I've seen get taken to court are those that sell and make $.

TDG became an integral part of the Viewsat operation and made incredible $ as their promoter, but his fall was caused by the court determining his uploaded bins were illegal.

If JER became "close" with suppliers, it certainly wasn't noticeable at Satscams.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

They had nothing on him insofar as the Satscams website was concerned, because he didn't host files and there was no discussion on how to receive DN or Bev's signal, nor any coding material, such as at the old card-coders. In short, given that the site was originally devoted to exposing scammers in the hobby, DN wouldn't have had a prayer to get it shut down.

He must have been bought off.



Yes it had nothing to do with Satscams the site. I do think it had to do with his previous lawsuit and with being able to use that as a weapon to get him to cooperate.




Nobody said it was legal just because they didn't profit from it. I pointed out that the only ones I've seen get taken to court are those that sell and make $.

TDG became an integral part of the Viewsat operation and made incredible $ as their promoter, but his fall was caused by the court determining his uploaded bins were illegal.

If JER became "close" with suppliers, it certainly wasn't noticeable at Satscams.


There were signs like doing receiver reviews and some posts he made where one could wonder how he knew what he did. He also tried to buy a site with 10K that I understood was on behalf of a supplier and was their money. I think that was discussed on the site. There was also some buying of receivers that involved Tekno that became on issue that was discussed on the site. He also made a site about the danger of buying clones that I think was on behalf of a supplier. I think that was posted also. He went down to the Vegas electronic shows paid by suppliers, not sure if that was posted on the site. I know because he asked me if I wanted to come once or twice and that he could probably get them to pay for it. I declined. Theres also the working for Coolsat that I don't remember if that was brought up on the site but certaintly was in court. He did become close with some suppliers and because of that DN was able to use him to testify in affidavits against others.



GS2

[scotty25]

Originally Posted by scotty25

Expert Advice needed

If unwanted/unrequested e-mals were sent they are illegal spam
If the lettere are same as Dave's fishing letters DIckN's are also illegal
Isn't all evidenece discovered by illegal methods is considered poisoned



"I don't believe spam is considered illegal, but rather simply an unwanted, unsolicited nuisance."
Spam is Illegal under the Federal Can-Spam Act of 2003 and thus all information falls under "Fruit of the poisonous tree"

"Ever been in court before?"
at least once or twice LOL - - subject for another forum

"The opposing attorney will say whatever he/she can get away with, to further their contention. Dave's ambulance chasers were able to convince the bench that ordinary items like a smartcard programmer had no other purpose in the world than as pirate hacking devices. "

Not all judges allow BS and eyewash .hope the opposing counsel doen't misspeak about parts they dont have proof on.
"BS, but it worked." but it shouldn't

Its easier to settle than go to Fedcourt if the'magistrate will hear it, Is it more profitable to fish & settle than fight it out. DN & NAG have very very deep pocket

Any thoughts on dn / nag's duty to secure
JMO

[henpecked]

On the subject of TDG, he was his own worst enemy...He was arrogant and as someone said, he was polking a sleeping bear..
He should of kept his mouth shut, but he thought he was untouchable..

He had that viewsat mirc site, where he played godfather to his flock...

He'd already made enemies before he got involved with Viewsat.....He should've worked in the shadows.







Nobody said it was legal just because they didn't profit from it. I pointed out that the only ones I've seen get taken to court are those that sell and make $.

TDG became an integral part of the Viewsat operation and made incredible $ as their promoter, but his fall was caused by the court determining his uploaded bins were illegal.

If JER became "close" with suppliers, it certainly wasn't noticeable at Satscams.

[fifties]

Yes it had nothing to do with Satscams the site. I do think it had to do with his previous lawsuit and with being able to use that as a weapon to get him to cooperate.

What exactly was the previous suit for? I think you had mentioned Charlie/Bev/Dave, and that would have been three separate litigation's.


Originally Posted by scotty25

Expert Advice needed

If unwanted/unrequested e-mals were sent they are illegal spam
If the lettere are same as Dave's fishing letters DIckN's are also illegal
Isn't all evidenece discovered by illegal methods is considered poisoned



"I don't believe spam is considered illegal, but rather simply an unwanted, unsolicited nuisance."
Spam is Illegal under the Federal Can-Spam Act of 2003 and thus all information falls under "Fruit of the poisonous tree"

"Ever been in court before?"
at least once or twice LOL - - subject for another forum

"The opposing attorney will say whatever he/she can get away with, to further their contention. Dave's ambulance chasers were able to convince the bench that ordinary items like a smartcard programmer had no other purpose in the world than as pirate hacking devices. "

Not all judges allow BS and eyewash .hope the opposing counsel doen't misspeak about parts they dont have proof on.
"BS, but it worked." but it shouldn't

Its easier to settle than go to Fedcourt if the'magistrate will hear it, Is it more profitable to fish & settle than fight it out. DN & NAG have very very deep pocket

Any thoughts on dn / nag's duty to secure
JMO
Apparently Canadian justice is different than what we have in the lower 48. I could be wrong, but don't believe spamming is against the law here.

Yes, BS shouldn't work in court, but as you know, especially since you say you've been there (so have I, but on other matters as well), it does. Part of "lawyering".

The settlement offers are purposely below what one would have to pay a defense lawyer for. Right out of Dave's playbook. I don't understand why anyone who had fought Dave in court and "won" (winning being not having to pay him on his allegations of signal theft), did not then take him to small claims court, to get their lawyers fee compensated. I sure as hell would have, if in that situation.

AFA "duty to secure", I imagine it would be similar, but perhaps not legally identical, between the two providers and their respective governments. Here in the U.S., the DMCA makes it illegal to intercept encrypted transmissions, period, and the excuse that it falls in your airspace doesn't wash whatsoever. So there is no "standard" or thresh hold that must be met; simply that the signal is not transmitted, "in the clear".

If one has an FTA receiver and 18" dish, and tunes to channel 100 on Echostar 10/11 (or whichever bird has that channel), given that it's in the clear, they are breaking no law, here in the states.


On the subject of TDG, he was his own worst enemy...He was arrogant and as someone said, he was polking a sleeping bear..
He should of kept his mouth shut, but he thought he was untouchable..

He had that viewsat mirc site, where he played godfather to his flock...

He'd already made enemies before he got involved with Viewsat.....He should've worked in the shadows.
He couldn't very well work in the shadows in order to promote, and as Viewsat's spokesman, had to be very outspoken in the community.

Yes, many ppl disliked Bob, but he was a Sparkplug in the "hobby". They had estimated that there were up to two million Viewsat receivers in the field before Nag3, possibly being half or more of all FTA receivers. His promotion, including running websites and U/L files was a good part of that business success.

If Viewsat had never been, there still would have been a security upgrade to Nag3, given all the Pansats, Fortecs, Coolsats, etc.

[henpecked]

Fifties, you're quite right...I shouldn't have put that in about "working in the shadows"...He should've toned his attitude down..
He was provoking everyone and anyone that could come after him...For some reason he thought they wouldn't..
Through his mirc channel...everyone knew where he lived..how much he was owed pushing Viewsat....how much and when a deposit was made into his bank account...What he spent his money on..motorcycle, plasma tv
How many receivers he had in stock...How many he was owed
He made this all public knowledge....All I can say is....What was he thinking?

[edrik]

this is an interesting thread for sure.

i thought Bev had no jurisdiction in the states...
If you pay for charlie, and watch Bev , Who would care? and visa versa.
and yet, if i read this right, that IS illegal?

[ITS ME!]

this is an interesting thread for sure.

i thought Bev had no jurisdiction in the states...
If you pay for charlie, and watch Bev , Who would care? and visa versa.
and yet, if i read this right, that IS illegal?
Yes illegal is correct, any theft/interception of an encrypted signal is illegal especially when decrypting the received signal no matter where your located in the USA or Canada as well as Europe and some other regions if I understand the laws correctly.

[fifties]

Fifties, you're quite right...I shouldn't have put that in about "working in the shadows"...He should've toned his attitude down..
He was provoking everyone and anyone that could come after him...For some reason he thought they wouldn't..
Through his mirc channel...everyone knew where he lived..how much he was owed pushing Viewsat....how much and when a deposit was made into his bank account...What he spent his money on..motorcycle, plasma tv
How many receivers he had in stock...How many he was owed
He made this all public knowledge....All I can say is....What was he thinking?
What was he thinking? Well, as I LMAO, you would have had to know the guy;

as an example, he ended up for a few weeks in county jail after being caught riding his motorcycle while still under a driver's license suspension. How's that for responsibility? And especially given that he was no spring chicken; happened when he was in his fifties.

He was totally self-confident, swaggering, spent like a drunken sailor (you forgot to mention his drag-boat and trailer), and really a likeable guy...The perfect salesman, lol!

When he previously got busted for dealing in Dave cards, he was tricking them for the cops at the station!

I think he looked at all of this as a big game, which it was. Had he, Kwak, and Phil not been set up and exposed by Trinity, FRaud and JER, and assuming no fix for Nag3 had been developed, it would have just been another happy episode in his carefree life.


this is an interesting thread for sure.

i thought Bev had no jurisdiction in the states...
If you pay for charlie, and watch Bev , Who would care? and visa versa.
and yet, if i read this right, that IS illegal?
Bev has no jurisdiction here, AFAIK, but, it is a violation of the DMCA to receive encrypted transmissions regardless of country of origin.

That said, NagraStar, who provides security for both Charlie and Bev, may indeed have a legal standing here. Again, IDK for sure.

[scotty25]

"Apparently Canadian justice is different than what we have in the lower 48. I could be wrong, but don't believe spamming is against the law here."

CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (15 U.S.C. 7701, et seq) US code not comonly enforced but still illegal tactics by DickN

"The settlement offers are purposely below what one would have to pay a defense lawyer for. Right out of Dave's playbook. I don't understand why anyone who had fought Dave in court and "won" (winning being not having to pay him on his allegations of signal theft), did not then take him to small claims court, to get their lawyers fee compensated. I sure as hell would have, if in that situation."

Usually both sides agree to no fault & non disclusure

Probably DickN probably doesn't want to dance with many esq's
Filing a lowsuit only on a hunch (IP) with de minimis evidence in Federal court ?, the attorney's should be tarred and feathered for wasting court time These guys must be lower than ambulance chasers. (no insult to ambulance chasers intended)

One of these days a hungry attorney will get enough "fished clients" together for class action with almost unlimited tech & legal fees

"AFA "duty to secure", I imagine it would be similar, but perhaps not legally identical, between the two providers and their respective governments. Here in the U.S., the DMCA makes it illegal to intercept encrypted transmissions, period, and the excuse that it falls in your airspace doesn't wash whatsoever. So there is no "standard" or thresh hold that must be met; simply that the signal is not transmitted, "in the clear".

I respectfully disagree
DirecTV, Inc. v. Huynh
Ninth Circuit, No. 05-16361, September 11, 2007
the Ninth Circuit held on September 11 that this provision applies only to assemblers, manufacturers, and distributors of piracy devices and not individual end users of such devices.

Why wouldn't the IKS support sites fall under the safe harbor defense iE
IO Group, Inc. v. Veoh Networks, Inc., 586 F. Supp. 2d 1132 (N.D. Cal. 2008),

If one has an FTA receiver and 18" dish, and tunes to channel 100 on Echostar 10/11 (or whichever bird has that channel), given that it's in the clear, they are breaking no law, here in the states."

.

JMO

Sorry on a run , after the Germans bombed pearl Harbor -----
They use Tax supported PBS, NASA , CSPAN, cartagena stip clubs etc & scramble
Any Bets - Encrypted DN & Dave will open tiers and sell advertising just like a nationwide OTA system Netflix, HULU, FREEIP-TV, UVERSE & onder on demand ala-carte will kill all the overpriced packages
BLUTO - animal house
--------sorry for the HIJACK -------------


Enjooy the holiday and respest our fallen heroes

[fifties]

"The settlement offers are purposely below what one would have to pay a defense lawyer for. Right out of Dave's playbook. I don't understand why anyone who had fought Dave in court and "won" (winning being not having to pay him on his allegations of signal theft), did not then take him to small claims court, to get their lawyers fee compensated. I sure as hell would have, if in that situation."

Usually both sides agree to no fault & non disclusure
I dunno...If I think I have a good shot at defeating their allegation, I'd roll the dice to not only get my $ back with an ensuing small claims suit (and if one sues a legal firm, rather than an individual lawyer, I don't believe they can even have an attorney represent them in small claims court), but also to crow about it on the internet, and give details for future defendants to make use of.
IOW, no agreement.



"AFA "duty to secure", I imagine it would be similar, but perhaps not legally identical, between the two providers and their respective governments. Here in the U.S., the DMCA makes it illegal to intercept encrypted transmissions, period, and the excuse that it falls in your airspace doesn't wash whatsoever. So there is no "standard" or thresh hold that must be met; simply that the signal is not transmitted, "in the clear".

I respectfully disagree
DirecTV, Inc. v. Huynh
Ninth Circuit, No. 05-16361, September 11, 2007
the Ninth Circuit held on September 11 that this provision applies only to assemblers, manufacturers, and distributors of piracy devices and not individual end users of such devices.
For the edification of others reading, this is a synopsis of that judgment;


Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 at 3:18 pm
DirecTV, Inc. v. Huynh

Ninth Circuit Allows Individuals to Use Devices to Decrypt Satellite Television Signals

By Nick Bramble — Edited by Wen Bu

DirecTV, Inc. v. Huynh
Ninth Circuit, No. 05-16361, September 11, 2007


Faced with the question of how to resolve a provision of the Federal Communications Act banning the assembly and modification of devices primarily designed for the unauthorized decryption of satellite signals, the Ninth Circuit held on September 11 that this provision applies only to assemblers, manufacturers, and distributors of piracy devices and not individual end users of such devices.


DirecTV argued that the FCA provision should sweep more broadly and cover all people who modify devices (“smart cards”) designed to intercept satellite signals, regardless of their intent and whether interception actually occurred. On DirecTV’s reading, the provision would have encompassed any person who inserted a pirated access card into a receiver, on DirecTV’s theory that this person had thereby “assembled” the device. Defendants responded that such a broad interpretation of the FCA would criminalize security and computer science research into satellite technology, and would effectively render it illegal to purchase smart card programmers.

The Ninth Circuit largely agreed with defendants, affirming the district court's refusal to grant default judgments that would have required defendants to pay up to $100,000 in statutory damages per violation. The court also rejected DirecTV’s broad interpretation of the FCA and upheld a distinction between those who illegally intercept satellite signals and those who manufacture, assemble, or modify devices to enable others to do so. It is still possible that defendants will be found liable for copyright or lesser statutory violations.
So what does this ruling have to do with any specific level of security requirement on the provider by the government (of which there is none, AFA I can see)?



Why wouldn't the IKS support sites fall under the safe harbor defense iE
IO Group, Inc. v. Veoh Networks, Inc., 586 F. Supp. 2d 1132 (N.D. Cal. 2008),

It's hard to believe you posted that question with a straight face, lol.

The first threshold requirement of the DMCA's safe harbor is that the defendant be a "service provider". Now although that may be true on the surface, the content they provide, assuming it is gained by subscriber access cards, is a violation of DN's TOS agreement, and in fact actionable in court.

They went after the sub card holders in the Sonysat IKS bust, as an example.

Beyond that, of course, is the matter of copyright infringement, which is a primary thrust of the DMCA's reason to exist in the first place.

No, we don't want to go there, lol. Reference, "can of worms"...

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

What exactly was the previous suit for? I think you had mentioned Charlie/Bev/Dave, and that would have been three separate litigation's.


It was a piracy case for breaching the RC Act, aiding and abetting others, Copyright Infringement, Civil Conspiracy, Unjust Enrichment, etc. The complaints were all filled around the same time ( June, 2005 ) with the same allegations in the complaints. He sold pirate devices under Mikobu & kickassclones web sites. His brother, father and wife were also names as defendants. They also mention Satscams in the lawsuit. I did not know at the time and found out later about it.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

What was he thinking? Well, as I LMAO, you would have had to know the guy;

as an example, he ended up for a few weeks in county jail after being caught riding his motorcycle while still under a driver's license suspension. How's that for responsibility? And especially given that he was no spring chicken; happened when he was in his fifties.

He was totally self-confident, swaggering, spent like a drunken sailor (you forgot to mention his drag-boat and trailer), and really a likeable guy...The perfect salesman, lol!

When he previously got busted for dealing in Dave cards, he was tricking them for the cops at the station!

I think he looked at all of this as a big game, which it was. Had he, Kwak, and Phil not been set up and exposed by Trinity, FRaud and JER, and assuming no fix for Nag3 had been developed, it would have just been another happy episode in his carefree life.


Bev has no jurisdiction here, AFAIK, but, it is a violation of the DMCA to receive encrypted transmissions regardless of country of origin.

That said, NagraStar, who provides security for both Charlie and Bev, may indeed have a legal standing here. Again, IDK for sure.



There might not have been the criminal prosecution but you could had almost bet there was going to be a Civil prosecution regardless of the setup. I really don't think he was destine for a happy ending not Civilly anyway. I think he rationalise he was not doing anything wrong and therefore was untouchable. In his mind he was just posting and promoting a suppliers legal receivers and therefore there was nothing they could do. You know if you suggested otherwise then your labelled a scare monger or doing it for the provider. I saw where he left himself open as a target and was self incriminating himself.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

"Apparently Canadian justice is different than what we have in the lower 48. I could be wrong, but don't believe spamming is against the law here."

CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (15 U.S.C. 7701, et seq) US code not comonly enforced but still illegal tactics by DickN

"The settlement offers are purposely below what one would have to pay a defense lawyer for. Right out of Dave's playbook. I don't understand why anyone who had fought Dave in court and "won" (winning being not having to pay him on his allegations of signal theft), did not then take him to small claims court, to get their lawyers fee compensated. I sure as hell would have, if in that situation."

Usually both sides agree to no fault & non disclusure

Probably DickN probably doesn't want to dance with many esq's
Filing a lowsuit only on a hunch (IP) with de minimis evidence in Federal court ?, the attorney's should be tarred and feathered for wasting court time These guys must be lower than ambulance chasers. (no insult to ambulance chasers intended)

One of these days a hungry attorney will get enough "fished clients" together for class action with almost unlimited tech & legal fees

"AFA "duty to secure", I imagine it would be similar, but perhaps not legally identical, between the two providers and their respective governments. Here in the U.S., the DMCA makes it illegal to intercept encrypted transmissions, period, and the excuse that it falls in your airspace doesn't wash whatsoever. So there is no "standard" or thresh hold that must be met; simply that the signal is not transmitted, "in the clear".

I respectfully disagree
DirecTV, Inc. v. Huynh
Ninth Circuit, No. 05-16361, September 11, 2007
the Ninth Circuit held on September 11 that this provision applies only to assemblers, manufacturers, and distributors of piracy devices and not individual end users of such devices.

Why wouldn't the IKS support sites fall under the safe harbor defense iE
IO Group, Inc. v. Veoh Networks, Inc., 586 F. Supp. 2d 1132 (N.D. Cal. 2008),

If one has an FTA receiver and 18" dish, and tunes to channel 100 on Echostar 10/11 (or whichever bird has that channel), given that it's in the clear, they are breaking no law, here in the states."

.

JMO

Sorry on a run , after the Germans bombed pearl Harbor -----
They use Tax supported PBS, NASA , CSPAN, cartagena stip clubs etc & scramble
Any Bets - Encrypted DN & Dave will open tiers and sell advertising just like a nationwide OTA system Netflix, HULU, FREEIP-TV, UVERSE & onder on demand ala-carte will kill all the overpriced packages
BLUTO - animal house
--------sorry for the HIJACK -------------


Enjooy the holiday and respest our fallen heroes




Courts ( Federal ) can award costs but generally speaking in the US both parties pay their own costs.





Most countries operate under a "loser pays" system, sometimes called the English rule (in English law it is described as "costs following the event"). Under the English rule, the losing party pays the successful party's legal costs, as well as other court costs. The United States is a notable exception (except at the Federal level), operating under the American rule, whereby each party bears its own legal expenses. Some tort reform advocates propose adopting a "loser pays" rule in the United States. Federal district court and Court of Appeals judges award costs to the prevailing party under Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 54.[7]






GS2

[fifties]

There might not have been the criminal prosecution but you could had almost bet there was going to be a Civil prosecution regardless of the setup. I really don't think he was destine for a happy ending not Civilly anyway. I think he rationalise he was not doing anything wrong and therefore was untouchable. In his mind he was just posting and promoting a suppliers legal receivers and therefore there was nothing they could do. You know if you suggested otherwise then your labelled a scare monger or doing it for the provider. I saw where he left himself open as a target and was self incriminating himself.
GS2
Not a good bet;
DN had been trying for years to tie the receiver distributors with paying the coders, without success. Their break came with the taped phone conversation between Kwak and Phil, who, BTW, was the only coder for not only Viewsat, but several other brands as well.

Without that piece of evidence, they had no case either in criminal or civil.

AFA TDG, he knew damn well that what he was doing was against the law, but he didn't think that he would ever get busted, and had he not been ratted out, he prolly wouldn't have.



Courts ( Federal ) can award costs but generally speaking in the US both parties pay their own costs.
GS2
I was referring to civil court costs. There is no law that I am aware of that prevents someone who has defeated a plaintiff's allegation, to then slap him with a small claims action for legal expenses incurred, at least up to the maximum allowed in small claims court, here in the U.S.

[harescrambleracer]

Anyone remember this from the 1990s. This is how one end user got even.. The woman's husband had a &quot;fixed&quot; descrambler and she caught her 12 year old son watching porn on it. Sued dn and won alot of...

[fifties]

First of all, that court case was adjudicated about seven years before DN began broadcasting.

It was against a C-Band satellite provider.

Second, it worked in Alabama because the state has, or had, laws regarding obscenity, that are beyond what most states employ.

You can be certain that both Charlie and Dave took note of that case, and have in some way insulated themselves from any similar legal action that might evolve.


Regarding the email situation at this, or any other website; that's what "throw-away" email addy's are for.

Regardless, I've used my real email addy to register at dozens of "Dave" and FTA sites over the last 12 years, to include ones taken over by Charlie, and haven't had any problem with either provider.
In their suit against TDG, they even referenced PM's between Bob and myself at Satscams.

It is not illegal to register and post on these boards; in the U.S., it's a First Amendment Right, in fact;

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Not a good bet;
DN had been trying for years to tie the receiver distributors with paying the coders, without success. Their break came with the taped phone conversation between Kwak and Phil, who, BTW, was the only coder for not only Viewsat, but several other brands as well.

Without that piece of evidence, they had no case either in criminal or civil.


That piece of evidence or that type of evidence was not used in other cases like Coolsat, Pansat etc. I don't see why they would have no case in Civil. Theres no reason to think the outcome would had been any different in the civil case as the other had if they did not have that piece of information. That information was basically used in the criminal case where the bar for evidence is much higher.



AFA TDG, he knew damn well that what he was doing was against the law, but he didn't think that he would ever get busted, and had he not been ratted out, he prolly wouldn't have.


In my opinion that was not very smart to think you would not get busted with that profile he had. He made himself a big target. People also have been ratting out others way before his case so again to think that might not happen to you was not wise thinking in my opinion.




I was referring to civil court costs. There is no law that I am aware of that prevents someone who has defeated a plaintiff's allegation, to then slap him with a small claims action for legal expenses incurred, at least up to the maximum allowed in small claims court, here in the U.S.


I was refering to Civil costs as well. There is no law but with general American principle of when it comes to court costs the small claims court could just refer to it and say your not intitled to court costs.





Under "the American rule" attorney fees are usually not paid by the losing party to the winning party in a case, except at the federal level or for specific statutory reasons.



GS2

[fifties]

Quote Originally Posted by fifties View Post
Not a good bet;
DN had been trying for years to tie the receiver distributors with paying the coders, without success. Their break came with the taped phone conversation between Kwak and Phil, who, BTW, was the only coder for not only Viewsat, but several other brands as well.

Without that piece of evidence, they had no case either in criminal or civil.
That piece of evidence or that type of evidence was not used in other cases like Coolsat, Pansat etc. I don't see why they would have no case in Civil. Theres no reason to think the outcome would had been any different in the civil case as the other had if they did not have that piece of information. That information was basically used in the criminal case where the bar for evidence is much higher.
The point I was making was that the provider had to show evidence of linkage between the receiver distributors and a coder. I believe that Phil was also coding for Coolsat, as well.

AFA Pansat, DN developed some sort of proof that Blacklist was doing their coding, and being compensated by them for it. I don't remember specifically what the evidence was, however.








AFA TDG, he knew damn well that what he was doing was against the law, but he didn't think that he would ever get busted, and had he not been ratted out, he prolly wouldn't have.

In my opinion that was not very smart to think you would not get busted with that profile he had. He made himself a big target. People also have been ratting out others way before his case so again to think that might not happen to you was not wise thinking in my opinion.
No one ratted him out for the four years he was promoting, first Pansat, then Coolsat, and finally Viewsat. That's certainly not to say that it couldn't have happened sometime in the future, however.

Regardless, the overconfident swagger goes with the territory for many salesmen, and secondly, the main legal thrust against him was for his posting of files. It wasn't until he was in court, that the judge in his case ruled that what he had posted was illegal.






I was referring to civil court costs. There is no law that I am aware of that prevents someone who has defeated a plaintiff's allegation, to then slap him with a small claims action for legal expenses incurred, at least up to the maximum allowed in small claims court, here in the U.S.

I was refering to Civil costs as well. There is no law but with general American principle of when it comes to court costs the small claims court could just refer to it and say your not intitled to court costs.
GS2
My attorney once told me that it's a 50/50 gamble when one goes to court.

That said, however, I believe it's how one presents their case; in this type of instance, the provider would have financially injured the defendant with what amounted to a fishing expedition, with so-called evidence that didn't hold up when examined in a court of law. Based on that, the defendant (now the provider) should be required to compensate the plaintiff for $ spent in having to hire an attorney to defend himself.

From the California Dept of Consumer Affairs;
"You also need to consider whether the defendant is legally responsible for the claim. Is the law on your side? If there is a law that applies to your case, the small claims judge must follow that law, interpreting it in a spirit of reasonableness and fairness to both parties."

I.E., absent any specific codification of law denying it, there is nothing to stop a person from trying to be made whole again.

For the cost of a small claims filing fee (in California, $50 for a suit up to $5,000, and $75 up to $7,500), I believe it's certainly worth it.

Given that their are no gag rules in small claims, the bragging rights on internet forums, should one win their case, would be priceless, lol!

[1boxman]

Big think I can see with someone posting files ..and posting help..if that post is to help circumvent to a illegal act of there piracy . IKS etc . But still have to prove it was used for it or used . But even that ..is still not enough . or too small .

[DualTest]

Every seemingly small victory for the providers leads them to be bolder. Let's face it they are not stupid. Their ultimate goal is to have FTA receivers ruled illegal devices in a North American court. And every since the day the first file for them was released they have been working towards that goal. If I am not mistaken they have won the battle of FTA receivers with 3rd party support. Is there a single N2 receiver still being manufactured? Not that I know of. Have we taken it upon ourselves to get older boxes working again? Yep. And that is where I think this is now going to go. They can take down IKS and another pops up. Or the IKS goes down and pops up under a different name (much like most of us posters lol) But to finally have a judge rule that these devices illegal is the end game.

[XP1]

Did I just receive spam from ABA DSS?


Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; sender-id=none (sender IP is 66.115.142.240) [email protected]; dkim=none header.d=allinpokerusa.com; x-hmca=none
X-SID-PRA: [email protected]
X-SID-Result: None
X-DKIM-Result: None
X-Message-Status: n:0:n
X-AUTH-Result: NONE
Received: from abadss5.nationalnet.com ([66.115.142.240])
Tue, 29 May 2012
Received: by abadss5.nationalnet.com (Postfix, from userid 33)
id 94CCAA217C; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:51:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Carbon Poker Odds Calculator & Promo
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012
From: Carbon Poker <[email protected]>
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73]
X-Mailer: phplist v2.10.18
X-MessageID: 1
MIME-Version: 1.0
Return-Path: [email protected]
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2012

[426hemi]

Did I just receive spam from ABA DSS?


Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; sender-id=none (sender IP is 66.115.142.240) [email protected]; dkim=none header.d=allinpokerusa.com; x-hmca=none
X-SID-PRA: [email protected]
X-SID-Result: None
X-DKIM-Result: None
X-Message-Status: n:0:n
X-AUTH-Result: NONE
Received: from abadss5.nationalnet.com ([66.115.142.240])
Tue, 29 May 2012
Received: by abadss5.nationalnet.com (Postfix, from userid 33)
id 94CCAA217C; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:51:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Carbon Poker Odds Calculator & Promo
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012
From: Carbon Poker <[email protected]>
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73]
X-Mailer: phplist v2.10.18
X-MessageID: 1
MIME-Version: 1.0
Return-Path: [email protected]
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2012

Seems to originate from a blog site.

[XP1]

Seems to originate from a blog site.You can't trust the "From" header because it could be spoofed. Look at the "Received" header:

Received: from abadss5.nationalnet.com ([66.115.142.240])

[annhan]

I also received an e-mail like CSAVOIA, I feel A lot better after reading all the replies....

[fifties]

Every seemingly small victory for the providers leads them to be bolder. Let's face it they are not stupid. Their ultimate goal is to have FTA receivers ruled illegal devices in a North American court.
They know that will never happen.

A long time ago, when the game was being played with just Pansat, Fortec, and a few other brands, they lobbied to try to have FTA receivers restricted from having serial ports, given that they knew it was the only way to trick the receiver into accepting a decryption bin.

They not only failed in that endeavor, but then saw receivers coming out equipped with Ethernet ports.

Their task is simply to secure their signal, not impose restrictions on other commerce entities.

[Mapleleaf69]

i also got one of those emails but not worried about it. but anyways didnt DN at one time sell fta receivers?

[ineedinfo]

Yeah i got the email too, just spam as far as I'm concerned.

[dslchome]

I know a guy whom got that also, however he was not a * VIP * Memeber and was not allowed to download software. So he is really confused about that. If he was a VIP memeber and was paying thier yearly rate or monthly rate and was allowed to upload and download software, then I could understand the letter. However what he got makes no sence.

Also with all the NagraScam * excuse me * NagraStar & DN Court victories and all the $ that has been awarded to them by FTA Manufactures and even end users, Id say Nagra / DN makes more $ on that kind of thing then they do real customers.

Anyone remember the DTV days? When DTV was making more $ on law suits then real subscribers?

Anyways.... Wait and see if you get a call from a lawyer... Also I think they have to prove you downloaded software and used it. Personally I do not think they will give you a call. Also how do they even know you still have that email? Did they do a return receipt on the email?

Also as far as I know there is no law against downloading software... They have to prove you used it & that can be very very hard to prove, unless you posted something like, ( Just updated the newest update from VS or SV or Whatever FTA unit and say you downloaded the software from their site and installed it on said FTA unit , meaning you modified said FTA unit and then you posted your results saying * I HAVE TV NOW *.

But even then, its a forum... Its not written in STONE.... You could of been joking.

What if I say.. I have a N3 Fix..... Now I do not.. but what If I said I did? Get my point.. Its not written in stone.

[exe2]

I signed up there,I was NOT a VIP member but I also got the email. If you wanted to download anything at all (as with most sites) you have to sign up. They had a variety of forums that had nothing to do with FTA or satellite stuff. Google "abadss forum recipes" and you will see they had a recipes section... thats where I got my Christmas cake recipe from. Will I get a letter from Charlie asking for a piece of my cake.:innocent:

[Dream_State]

Dave did something similar by mailing out 170,000 letters, and developing 17,000 suits, primarily from responders. The ones who ignored it were the least likely to end up having to pay.

I know someone that did get the "Dave" letter.. he just ignored it. He had bought a programmer from white viper. Dave never did anything to him. But still it pays to cover your tracks... I always use visa gift cards I buy for cash at Walmart, to pay for iks subs.
I run my receivers through a VPN router too. I use the VPN too when i make an iks sub purchase... I'm using the VPN right now!

[dslchome]

I know someone that did get the "Dave" letter.. he just ignored it. He had bought a programmer from white viper. Dave never did anything to him. But still it pays to cover your tracks... I always use visa gift cards I buy for cash at Walmart, to pay for iks subs.
I run my receivers through a VPN router too. I use the VPN too when i make an iks sub purchase... I'm using the VPN right now!

Pure VPN is a good one... what VPN you like?

[SoS]

Unless you have a moded cable modem you will be traced.(
http://192.168.100.1 motorola)
vpn is only good for webbrowser purchases. Enctyption will work well.

[noone]

Unless you have a moded cable modem you will be traced.(
http://192.168.100.1 motorola)
vpn is only good for webbrowser purchases. Enctyption will work well.

Unless you're on a wifi system running a repeater using the library for your internet :D Or so I have heard :tehe:

[iceshark]

The Dave letters were enforced in fierce for first year until the new card came out and new encryption ended the HU saga. Once that happened the suits slowed down from the feared End User Group of Dave tv... In fact I believe that dept is gone now as they do not have many wanting to play ball against them anymore.

I hid for 3 years waiting for a letter. A good friend 2 doors down who made mistake of downloading files for a price from a site got nailed for big money.....

[dslchome]

The Dave letters were enforced in fierce for first year until the new card came out and new encryption ended the HU saga. Once that happened the suits slowed down from the feared End User Group of Dave tv... In fact I believe that dept is gone now as they do not have many wanting to play ball against them anymore.

I hid for 3 years waiting for a letter. A good friend 2 doors down who made mistake of downloading files for a price from a site got nailed for big money.....


Yea them were cloak and dagger days back them.

I had friends that would order stuff and send them to a vacant house in the hopes the UPS guy would leave it at the door and my friends watched from a house across the street and they saw under cover cars behind the UPS truck. When UPS dropped the package off at the door the car waited for hours and my buddies were NO WAY were they going to pick up the boxes. I guess finally someone in the car picked up the package.

However Them were bad days.... Are them the days you are referring to?

[henpecked]

It's been awhile so memories are vague now....That's why I can read this with only a chuckle....Maybe they were black helicopters doing the stakeout....whatever, it does make for good reading


Yea them were cloak and dagger days back them.

I had friends that would order stuff and send them to a vacant house in the hopes the UPS guy would leave it at the door and my friends watched from a house across the street and they saw under cover cars behind the UPS truck. When UPS dropped the package off at the door the car waited for hours and my buddies were NO WAY were they going to pick up the boxes. I guess finally someone in the car picked up the package.

However Them were bad days.... Are them the days you are referring to?

[humberto]

The Dave letters were enforced in fierce for first year until the new card came out and new encryption ended the HU saga. Once that happened the suits slowed down from the feared End User Group of Dave tv... In fact I believe that dept is gone now as they do not have many wanting to play ball against them anymore.

I hid for 3 years waiting for a letter. A good friend 2 doors down who made mistake of downloading files for a price from a site got nailed for big money.....

the new card was hacked in days and is still in use today

is just the normal people that dont know about it

[fifties]

the new card was hacked in days and is still in use today

is just the normal people that dont know about it
The Pee4 came out in April, 2004, as in over 8 years ago, and no one that I've come across in the many FTA websites that I've been a member of since then has claimed to see a working hacked unit with their own eyes.

All in the same category;

Hacked Pee4

Hacked Nag3

Easter Bunny

Rich Nigerian Prince bequeathing 62,000,000 US$

[dalerulesu]

Oh no.....there goes my money from Nigeria

[henpecked]

Thankyou fifties

You been around...people should listen to your wisdom



The Pee4 came out in April, 2004, as in over 8 years ago, and no one that I've come across in the many FTA websites that I've been a member of since then has claimed to see a working hacked unit with their own eyes.

All in the same category;

Hacked Pee4

Hacked Nag3

Easter Bunny

Rich Nigerian Prince bequeathing 62,000,000 US$

[bg3075]

the new card was hacked in days and is still in use today

is just the normal people that dont know about it??????

I guess I can be glad I am Normal, huh.

[dslchome]

Unless you have a moded cable modem you will be traced.(
http://192.168.100.1 motorola)
vpn is only good for webbrowser purchases. Enctyption will work well.

Modded cable modem just makes harder to trace you. However it can still be traced to your front door.

[fifties]

IKS has been going on since before DN switched encryption platforms, and afterward since at least August of 2009, as in three years ago.

Everyone who has heard of someone else being busted via DN/Nagrastar tracing their internet signal to their home (or anywhere else), please raise your hand.

I'm not seeing too many hands...

[dslchome]

IKS has been going on since before DN switched encryption platforms, and afterward since at least August of 2009, as in three years ago.

Everyone who has heard of someone else being busted via DN/Nagrastar tracing their internet signal to their home (or anywhere else), please raise your hand.

I'm not seeing too many hands...


So you claim with a modded cable modem no one can trace you?

Well send a email to Robert Mueller the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and here is the link
better yet, you do need to use a email address

hxxps://tips.fbi.gov/ and send him something stupid, or say your going to do something very silly to someone important even though you do not mean it & watch how fast your house is covered with the FBI and local police.

LOL... Hacked modems lead right to your door. I use to think like you when I had one.... I'm telling you , they are traceable.

perhaps not by the lay person... but there are agencies who can and since Nagrastar and FBI work together...

Im just shocked at a claim that a modded modem cant be tracked.

anyways... try you luck if you wish.... However I wouldn't and I hope you don't test your luck or you modded modem if you have one or anyone else.

but if your brash enough and really think you are the smartest go ahead.... However I WOULDN'T.... and I don't think anyone should.....

[humberto]

The Pee4 came out in April, 2004, as in over 8 years ago, and no one that I've come across in the many FTA websites that I've been a member of since then has claimed to see a working hacked unit with their own eyes.

All in the same category;

Hacked Pee4

Hacked Nag3

Easter Bunny

Rich Nigerian Prince bequeathing 62,000,000 US$

not so many websites because there even is a public hack out there you need to learn more languages the public hack is not found in english

but the real hack is not public

[RASMUS]

So what is the difference between the public hack and the real hack? What language is this supposed hack written in? Internet users especially pirates are not that good at keeping secrets. If there was a hack, I would find it very hard to believe it's not public knowledge.

[abouttosnap]

not so many websites because there even is a public hack out there you need to learn more languages the public hack is not found in english

but the real hack is not public

Yep the hack is second cousin to Harvey the rabbit. Here we go again. :rolleyes:

[1boxman]

A modded modem or other means of hiding your true location . If they want ..yes they could trace you .maybe ...but the question would be ..is tracing you down for receiving iks enough ..I doubt it ..thats why no one has been in court for just that.They need paper trail etc .
If it was easy to just trace ..why are the severs still going ?

[henpecked]

If there was a hack in any language...even "caveman grunts"....I'd be looking for a hacked verson of
Rosetta Stone....Can we put this to rest...it ain't out there...Don't give any false hopes to the "younguns"



not so many websites because there even is a public hack out there you need to learn more languages the public hack is not found in english

but the real hack is not public

[fifties]

No that is not at all what I am claiming, and I am surprised that you didn't comprehend the point. <br />
<br />
First, to yours; there is no question that an internet connection can't be traced, regardless of...

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

the new card was hacked in days and is still in use today

is just the normal people that dont know about it


I bet all the un normal people will confirm the hack. They will also confirm being abducted by aliens.



GS2

[dslchome]

Ohhh K.. I see, <br />
<br />
Yes I agree, <br />
<br />
I thought you mean it was not traceable NO way no how as in Not Possible. <br />
<br />
However If someone were dumb enough to host thier cards out of there home in say USA...

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

I could be wrong but think they filed lawsuits against seeders running IKS servers and they were able to identify or trace these individuals through some ECM they ran. Then they were able to identify...

[fifties]

Ohhh K.. I see,

Yes I agree,

I thought you mean it was not traceable NO way no how as in Not Possible.

However If someone were dumb enough to host thier cards out of there home in say USA and use thier HOME ISP like Comcast to run the server on. Do you agree if Nagra got a login to that server with IP and port they could trace that server even if it was using a hacked / modded modem or modems? B.C most people who have them modded hacked modems have more then 1. Anyways.

I mean I dont think anyone is that stupid to do what said above.. but what if they did?

Do you think they could trace it?

I do.




I could be wrong but think they filed lawsuits against seeders running IKS servers and they were able to identify or trace these individuals through some ECM they ran. Then they were able to identify the accounts they activated with subscriptions with access card numbers and receiver serial numbers. If so I think you can say it was through an internet connection not paper trail that led to these defendants. As fas as I know none of these defendants defended themselves that led to either default judgments or settlements.




GS2
Well, in response to both posts, first of all, yes ppl are that st00pid as to host a server on U.S. or Canadian soil. Just ask Juan Martinez (Sonysat), or John Borden (Dark Angel).

Regardless, it doesn't really matter where the server is located, if the owner is subject to American or Canadian law, as in the nfusion private server case, located in Germany, and taken down by DN.


AFA to exactly how they were discovered, at least with the first two examples, it was not by tracing an internet connection, but rather by determining ownership of the seeder cards. Of course, the DN S.I. Department did not freely dispense their detective methods, lol.

[dslchome]

Well, in response to both posts, first of all, yes ppl are that st00pid as to host a server on U.S. or Canadian soil. Just ask Juan Martinez (Sonysat), or John Borden (Dark Angel).

Regardless, it doesn't really matter where the server is located, if the owner is subject to American or Canadian law, as in the nfusion private server case, located in Germany, and taken down by DN.


AFA to exactly how they were discovered, at least with the first two examples, it was not by tracing an internet connection, but rather by determining ownership of the seeder cards. Of course, the DN S.I. Department did not freely dispense their detective methods, lol.


Well Dark Angel was I dont want to say DUMB. he was careless.

and this is what happened.... LOL!... I mean I heard. RUMOR... but possible.

Ummm hey we have 26 fully open N3 cards do you want to buy em?

Dark Angle.. Hell ya... Lets meet.

LOL!


I dunno if that is true. but He was so careless it could be.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Well, in response to both posts, first of all, yes ppl are that st00pid as to host a server on U.S. or Canadian soil. Just ask Juan Martinez (Sonysat), or John Borden (Dark Angel).

Regardless, it doesn't really matter where the server is located, if the owner is subject to American or Canadian law, as in the nfusion private server case, located in Germany, and taken down by DN.


AFA to exactly how they were discovered, at least with the first two examples, it was not by tracing an internet connection, but rather by determining ownership of the seeder cards. Of course, the DN S.I. Department did not freely dispense their detective methods, lol.



In the individual seeder cases I think it was by first tracing internet connection that then led to identifying ownership of the seeder cards.



GS2

[fifties]

In the individual seeder cases I think it was by first tracing internet connection that then led to identifying ownership of the seeder cards.



GS2
AFA the Sonysat case, the consensus at the time was that it was an inside job; someone ratted him out.

Also if you'll remember, Nagra was offering a $25,000 reward for valid leads to IKS server operations. If they had the tech to uncover them via electronic methods, it's doubtful they would have been offering a bounty of that size as well.

[dishuser]

In the individual seeder cases I think it was by first tracing internet connection that then led to identifying ownership of the seeder cards.



GS2so the paper trail didn't help?lol

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

so the paper trail didn't help?lol


In the cases I am talking about like Todd Messier or Ryan Purves no I don't think paper trail had anything to do with them being identified as running servers. I think it had to do with some ECM on Nfusion that identified to DN who were some of the seeders were. There were about 10 lawsuits filled after the ECM.




GS2

[dslchome]

In the cases I am talking about like Todd Messier or Ryan Purves no I don't think paper trail had anything to do with them being identified as running servers. I think it had to do with some ECM on Nfusion that identified to DN who were some of the seeders were. There were about 10 lawsuits filled after the ECM.



GS2

U mean the tracer ECMs?

So they can trace the seed card and shut it down... correct? Then if the owner of the card calls dn or b3v and complains and asks for a new card and sends old card back or say he dont send old card back and pays the fee, then they just do the same again and if the guy is dumb enough to call again .... Then they have him??
that what you mean?

[fifties]

In the cases I am talking about like Todd Messier or Ryan Purves no I don't think paper trail had anything to do with them being identified as running servers. I think it had to do with some ECM on Nfusion that identified to DN who were some of the seeders were. There were about 10 lawsuits filled after the ECM.




GS2
Yes, I remember that, but it had nothing to do with internet tracing of either end-users, or seeders.

[dslchome]

Yes, I remember that, but it had nothing to do with internet tracing of either end-users, or seeders.

Correct... there is many ways they can get iks owners.... and Im sure new ways are being thought up each day.
Just have to be smart, I you own a server and you think they are on to you.. You are probably right.
Just forget the $ and game over..... Cancel service and dont accept a card, nothing. Its all a set up.

But Your right. None have been via internet yet.. However Internet was used to collect evidence you have to agree with that?

[fifties]

However Internet was used to collect evidence you have to agree with that?
No question.

They WILL use posts in these types of forums as incriminating evidence, as one example.

And of course they can always attempt to trace an IKS connection back to the user, just like they could always use a van or truck equipped with instrumentation to go around the neighborhood and attempt to discern what channel a roof mounted dish/LNB is picking up.

In either of those examples, however, it would involve considerable time and expense for the potential reward of stopping one free-loader. Additionally, neither method is air tight. It's simply not worth the effort on their part, to go after any but the IKS operators. Now once they have them, and can obtain proof of their "subs", then they could use the paper trail, which is airtight, should they want to pursue the end-users.

I think the gist here is to make sure, if one wants to sub to an IKS setup for their television addiction, that their personal information, beyond their IP, is not kept.

Whether the IKS operator is forthright when approached about this, would be the gamble.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Yes, I remember that, but it had nothing to do with internet tracing of either end-users, or seeders.



These were individuals who ran IKS servers. What would you call them ? It was not by paper trail so if its not internet tracing then what do you call it. ?



GS2

[dishuser]

These were individuals who ran IKS servers. What would you call them ? It was not by paper trail so if its not internet tracing then what do you call it. ?



GS2cards were marked
pretty simple logic

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

cards were marked
pretty simple logic


So it was done through an ECM which I said before. Not paper trail. These people who were sued did not appear to be dealers in what I read in the docs more like end users. Their programming was most likely paid for by Nfusion. In the court docs they referred to co - conspirators or others working inconjuction who were John Does but none were ever named as far as I know. I don't think anyone ever anticipated some ECM that would identify cards as being used in IKS servers. Its the unknown that sometimes act as the the unforseen problemthat does the damage like a Fred Faud.



GS2

[fifties]

So it was done through an ECM which I said before. Not paper trail.
No, you said before, "internet tracing".

My original statement stands; no one, AFAIK, has been busted by DN/NAGRA tracing an end-user's IP.

And if we want to be technical, DN marking a card does not, by itself, ID the user. They have to refer to their records, i.e., paperwork, to determine who it is.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

No, you said before, "internet tracing".

My original statement stands; no one, AFAIK, has been busted by DN/NAGRA tracing an end-user's IP.

And if we want to be technical, DN marking a card does not, by itself, ID the user. They have to refer to their records, i.e., paperwork, to determine who it is.



This is what I said before.




I could be wrong but think they filed lawsuits against seeders running IKS servers and they were able to identify or trace these individuals through some ECM they ran



In the cases I am talking about like Todd Messier or Ryan Purves no I don't think paper trail had anything to do with them being identified as running servers. I think it had to do with some ECM on Nfusion that identified to DN who were some of the seeders were. There were about 10 lawsuits filled after the ECM.



GS2



The first thing I said was ECM in the first quote above. I might have said internet tracing as well which was a mistake as should have keep saying Ecm realising now Ecm is done over the air without internet.


The marking of the card through an Ecm is the trace method that leads back to the defendant(s). Looking up a card ID in their database to match a person I think would be rather simple. Its like using a GPS tracker to locate a stolen vehicle and then when its found on someone’s property they look up who owns the property. The trace was really done by the GPS trackerat lest that is how I see it.



GS2

[fifties]

Regardless of by what method you see them having located the perpetrator, it was not done by tracing his internet connection; that was my entire point.

[dishuser]

This is what I said before.










The first thing I said was ECM in the first quote above. I might have said internet tracing as well which was a mistake as should have keep saying Ecm realising now Ecm is done over the air without internet.


The marking of the card through an Ecm is the trace method that leads back to the defendant(s). Looking up a card ID in their database to match a person I think would be rather simple. Its like using a GPS tracker to locate a stolen vehicle and then when its found on someone’s property they look up who owns the property. The trace was really done by the GPS trackerat lest that is how I see it.



GS2so card is marked/looped and they call for a new card?
that never entered your mind?
hmmmm

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

It had appeared to me that the first point you made was to say ONLY done by paper trail followed by second point none was done by internet tracing. It was then that I posted about the ECM way. I...

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

so card is marked/looped and they call for a new card?
that never entered your mind?
hmmmm



The ones that were sued for running IKS servers I saw no evidence in the complaints that they called for a new card so no did not enter my mind.



GS2

[dishuser]

The ones that were sued for running IKS servers I saw no evidence in the complaints that they called for a new card so no did not enter my mind.



GS2hard to believe seeing as there's so much space there...lol

[fifties]

They marked the seeder's cards, and discovered the owners of them via their subscriber records. If that ain't a paper trail, I don't know what is.

[steveb111]

wonder what bigpineguy thinks of all this oh wait never mind lol

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

hard to believe seeing as there's so much space there...lol


Sounds like your jealous. Want me to transfer some space and anything else you might require lol.



GS2

[dishuser]

Sounds like your jealous. Want me to transfer some space and anything else you might require lol.



GS2
whatever you can spare is tainted...so no thanx

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

whatever you can spare is tainted...so no thanx


It will still be a big improvement for ya lol.



GS2

[MikeSmith67]

The sky isn't falling but always exercise caution when using iks stay safe and have fun :)

[Dirt]

I hope I don't go to jail for saying hello

[Recove52]

:redcomp::hide::judge::beta1:LOL

[budyyy]

Always wondered what issues prevented FTA sites from having their servers in china or cuba.. I'm sure those countries kindly tell the MPAA to **** themselves with a cactus despite legal threats.