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henric
06-18-2012, 08:03 PM
18/06/2012 8:30:00 AM

by Monica Bugajski

Another U.S. city has banned the outdoor feeding of homeless. Though the law claims to have altruistic intentions, is it hurting the most vulnerable?

The city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania has banned the outdoor feeding of people on its street and in its city parks. City officials claim that the law is a way in which homeless can be fed in a dignified, humane way.

Under the new law, any person or organization wanting to distribute meals has to obtain a permit and meet food safety requirements before they are allowed to dole out any provisions. Gone are the days when feeding the hungry was about "opening the car trunk, handing out a bunch of sandwiches, and then driving off into the dark and rainy night" as Philly Mayor Michael Nutter says.

Although I'm not so sure how many times a trunk scenario of this kind actually unfolded, Mayor Nutter does have a point. The homeless are people, and they deserve to eat real food that isn't expired and doesn't contain dangerous ingredients or harmful bacteria resulting from poor preservation. They should be able to trust that they won't get sick from the food that individuals, groups, and organizations hand out.

But do the stipulations in the ban make the practice of charity more humane?

Sure, Philly doesn't want the homeless to eat like animals - on the streets and in the park - but I wonder how many of these free permits the city is actually going to distribute. It really appears as though the city is treating its transients like a pesky nuisance it wants to get rid of, or at least push to the side.

I can't help but think that city officials are more concerned with the where and when of meal distribution rather than the what. These permits will give the city control of where the homeless move and on what days and times they can congregate.

I understand that homeless gatherings are bad for business and bad for tourism, but if the city really wants to help that portion of the populace, it needs to build more shelters and more facilities that will house and feed them. It needs to invest in creating real safety nets for people to fall into when times get rough. Because the fact of the matter is that the economy is really rough.

More than ever, people are looking to charity organizations to get their basic needs met, and consequently, shelters and food banks are packed. There's an even greater need to feed the most vulnerable. So this isn't really the best time to be discouraging the public from flexing its altruistic muscle.

Forcing people to obtain permits in order to perform even the most basic acts of charity only works to dissuade those very deeds that the most vulnerable and needy depend upon. It's sad that the "City of Brotherly Love" is masking its true intentions behind a poorly disguised veil of goodwill, and I hope our cities don't follow its example.

Terryl
06-18-2012, 08:22 PM
I can see it now, some guy eating his lunch on a park bench, getting a ticket because he is not wearing a suit and tie.

Just wait till the European union goes broke, and the economy takes a big dump, there will be bread lines again.

Oh, and don't even try parking in Phily, they will tow your car the second the meter expires.

They call it the "City of brotherly love" but only if your wearing a suit and tie, and don't drive a car.

Anubis
06-18-2012, 08:30 PM
I can see it now, some guy eating his lunch on a park bench, getting a ticket because he is not wearing a suit and tie.

Just wait till the European union goes broke, and the economy takes a big dump, there will be bread lines again.

Oh, and don't even try parking in Phily, they will tow your car the second the meter expires.

They call it the "City of brotherly love" but only if your wearing a suit and tie, and don't drive a car.

Do I detect some hostilityTerryl?:tehe:
Had a bad experience? :noidea:

Terryl
06-18-2012, 08:45 PM
Yuuuup.


Got a parking ticket* (not my fault, really) while attending a convention in Philly, our company told the organizers of the convention that we will never attend another convention (as an exhibitor) in Philly again.

So no more conventions from our organization in Philly again, and the city counsel got several not so nice letters, explaining why.


*The ticket was for parking in an unloading zone, I was useing a rental van (passenger type) to unload some of our equipment, the van didn't have commercial plates on it, it was new off the show room floor, the plates had not been put on it yet, they (the parking idiots) would not listen, nor would they listen to the rental company as to why no plates, all it had was a temporary sticker on it, I told them to stick their $550 fine in their ear, and I have never (nor will I go) back to Philly.

Anubis
06-18-2012, 08:50 PM
Geez is that all. :tehe:
So the show parking wars really is true what they show. lmao

I wouldn't be heading back there either bud but the convention folks should have covered the ticket in my opinion. Just good business practice.

slugworth
06-18-2012, 09:46 PM
we have all seen pictures of people selling apples during the great depression,if you did that now you would be arrested for selling without a permit.

whiteheather
06-19-2012, 01:01 AM
Terryl no doubt you wont be supporting the flyers in hockey...lol we could use some fans...good ones in vancouver lol................

Terryl
06-19-2012, 01:13 AM
Geez is that all. :tehe:
So the show parking wars really is true what they show. lmao

I wouldn't be heading back there either bud but the convention folks should have covered the ticket in my opinion. Just good business practice.


I never paid the ticket, told the PD to go buzz off, (in a letter, in not so kind words) as I won't be going back there I'm not worried, it's been 30 years.

hutch
06-19-2012, 01:42 AM
I have to agree that feeding the homeless in parks can deter others from frequenting nearby business... however I think that the homeless tend to hangout in these areas anyway... maybe not in as big a number. I remember playing ball for a few seasons in a park where they fed the homeless. I remember that I used to park a little further away to feel safer.... Its sad really.

The Cobra
06-19-2012, 02:27 AM
I have to agree that feeding the homeless in parks can deter others from frequenting nearby business... however I think that the homeless tend to hangout in these areas anyway... maybe not in as big a number. I remember playing ball for a few seasons in a park where they fed the homeless. I remember that I used to park a little further away to feel safer.... Its sad really.


Not "just sad" my good friend.....it`s down right criminal in that the citizens of the US and/or Canada have anyone on the street and starving. Yet we keep sending money and food abroad to starving 3rd world countries who would just as soon kill us all as soon as they finish their meal. Feed and house the people in our own country THEN take care of the rest of the world is what I say.For every dollar you send to all those televised "children`s funds etc" the starving children actually benefit from about 2 cents of it....the majority is eaten up in administration fees and graft. Please don`t give me that "economy is down" crap either, take a look at the pork barrel awards every year for our government officials....recent point...how much did the government waste in total prosecuting Roger Clemens...2X...how many people does that feed and shelter for the less fortunate???? Politicians make a decent paycheck.......but never spend it.....because everything they do and eat is a write off. Written off to the tax dollars you and I pay.......so do I want to feed a politician making $100,000/yr or do I want to feed a starving child on the street in Detroit, LA or New Orleans...pretty simple to me.

The money is there, the caring is there.....and it`s being squandered by the politicians and thieves.

bustamante1974
06-19-2012, 02:37 AM
If they added up all the time and money spent on coming up with the idea of requiring a permit and making it mandatory I wonder how many food stations they could have created. Did they try and figure out why they have people on the street that need to take food from strangers and any given risk because they are starving??? Maybe the city is worried that they'll end up with food poisoning and then what happens at the hospital? They have no money? No insurance? WFT?

Plus didn't the Bible teach to feed the poor, give drink to the thirsty, cloth the naked...I don't remember Jesus saying anything about having to have a permit :yeaah: