Nimiq 1 vs Nimiq 6, signal reports

[Terryl]

This thread will be used to report (for now) any signal reports on the current Nimiq 1 satellite at 91 West.

Please report the "Q" readings, and what type of Dish, LNB and receiver your using.

Use TP 12559L as it has 1 open channel on it, Channel 195.

Please use a general location only, like 100 miles south of Chicago, or 50 miles southwest of NYC, we dont want you to give away your exact location.


When Nimiq 6 comes on line please report back with any changes in signal.

Thanks to all that participate.

Terryl.

[Terryl]

OK my "Q" reading on Nimiq 1 is 96%.

Using a Invacom QPH-031 LNB on a 39" dish, using a CoolSat 8000, location is 90 miles East of Modesto California.

Will report back when Nimiq 6 comes on line.

[Costactc]

I'm right in the heart of the footprint, right at the US border at Massena, NY. I have a bev 18" dish with dual lnb for both 82 and 91- dreamlink hd is reading at 87% signal quality.

[jonD]

Two hundred miles south of Chicago.
TP12559L
Generic 0.3db lnb
45cm=18" Q72
Invacom quad
90X99cm=36x39 Q99

[nixon_r]

Just west of MTL. dish500 legacy LNBs, Q85-96%

[timster]

94% Q just outside of Toronto

[tinman948]

Q: 75
S: 62
SV-8000HD
Dish 1000 91 w & 1000.2 powered by a DN DVR625
with dp LNB and dpp
Cleveland OH

[Arkie]

Approx 600 south of Chicago
Std dish and LNB
S = 70 Q=87
Note: I lost transponder 4 (12268) today. They must be moving things around.

[t3chw00di]

I believe a few tp's are already powered on nimiq 6. I just scanned the sat and I get 100% Q on 7 tp's. The rest are in the 70's and 80's which is what all the tp's were before here.
The tp's that I'm getting 100% now are...
12253, 12282, 12341, 12370, 12472, 12603 and 12618. Note that 12282, 12341, and 12370 are all T8PSK now.
I'm in Canada so I would expect the new sat to be stronger here.

[THE Official Timelord]

nimiq 6 update:

southern US readings on follwing tps:

12253, 12282, 12341, 12370, 12472, 12603, 12618, and now 12457 tp's

are now at 0% quality - no signal......................

[timster]

nimiq 6 update:

southern US readings on follwing tps:

12253, 12282, 12341, 12370, 12472, 12603, 12618, and now 12457 tp's

are now at 0% quality - no signal......................

tps 12282, 12341, 12370 and 12457 are Turbo 8PSK

however, i don't think they are being sent from Nimiq 6 just yet. remember, Bell just took control of N6 a couple days ago, they still have to do their testing before going live

[jonD]

tps 12282, 12341, 12370 and 12457 are Turbo 8PSK

however, i don't think they are being sent from Nimiq 6 just yet. remember, Bell just took control of N6 a couple days ago, they still have to do their testing before going live
Read post nine. There are seven tps being reported by other Bev subs as now 100%Q Some of which have active channels. I have lost all channels on tp3 which is now at 0%Q.

[arflaw]

I am using 18" dish with Q in the mid 70's about 140 miles west of Indianapolis. The transponders in post 9 I have no signal now, others are still mid 70's. I use a 39" for 82 and will try it later for 91.

[Terryl]

tps 12282, 12341, 12370 and 12457 are Turbo 8PSK

however, i don't think they are being sent from Nimiq 6 just yet. remember, Bell just took control of N6 a couple days ago, they still have to do their testing before going live


What site shows this info?

All the ones I use still list the satellite as all QPSK.

[timster]

What site shows this info?

All the ones I use still list the satellite as all QPSK.

no site, these are readings from my Dreamlink HD

the quality levels are a tad low due to the weather right now in Toronto. they were at 97% s/q about an hour ago

http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15130&stc=1&d=1340318139
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15131&stc=1&d=1340318139
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15132&stc=1&d=1340318139
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15133&stc=1&d=1340318139

[Terryl]

Ahhhh OK, that may explain a few TP drop outs.


Thanks for the update.

[cableman0327]

Maryland - PA Line - was 80 - 90 % on all TP's , Dish 500-Single DP LNB

Lost TP's - 3,5,9,11,17,18,27,28

Did they Tighten the Foot Print from 82? I can get avg 50% on all Tp's on 82....

Time for a Bigger Dish!

[cmangle]

Maryland - PA Line - was 80 - 90 % on all TP's , Dish 500-Single DP LNB

Lost TP's - 3,5,9,11,17,18,27,28

Did they Tighten the Foot Print from 82? I can get avg 50% on all Tp's on 82....

Time for a Bigger Dish!

what size dish are you using for 82? 30-33"?

pigyback 91 lnb on 30-33" 82 dish!

[beb022]

once 91 is gone anyway for folks in So Cal to get Canadian TV? Can we hit any Canadian Sats now?

[cmangle]

anybody have the xpndr changes, Mod FEC SR ? lyngsat?

[cableman0327]

what size dish are you using for 82? 30-33"?

pigyback 91 lnb on 30-33" 82 dish!

82 i'm using a 1000.2 dish pan with a single lnb, planing on jumping to a 39", should work for both....

[Terryl]

Nice to see discussion on this, but lets keep it to signal reports, or it will fill up with unrelated posts.

Thanks guys.

[Priestmill]

Keep in mind, while prob not significant for most, Nimiq 1 has moved slightly and Nimiq 6 is not exactly where Nimiq 1 was or is.
You may want some dish alignment to truly test these two sats at the present time for more accurate Q values.

[Terryl]

Well I would agree, if they moved it a half a degree or more, but .1 degrees is not enough to make that big a difference, not when most LNB's have a plus or minus 1 degree aperture on the forcing cone.

If they move it (Nimiq 1) and the signals dropped, then there would be a lot of unhappy BEL customers out in the boonies with some signal problems, customer service would be flooded with calls.

And most BEL and Dish satellite dishes have a 2 degree receive beamwidth, otherwise you would need some very expensive equipment to align the dish to the satellite.


Back in the stone age, we needed spectrum analyzers to align the receive dishes.

[Priestmill]

Many Bell customers are reporting drops in their Q values during this transition, especially Arctic region.
Although, the drop in Q values are not significant enough until rain fade is an issue they don't see a
viewing difference, however, Q values have dropped for some and this shouldn't be a concern in a week or two.

In my case on the East coast, some Q values have dropped to the 50's and 60's but this doesn't affect
programming. In other areas, Q values are reported to be 100 pc. Service calls are unlikely for now.

As for the 21500 TP mentioned by timster, these are being tested on Nimiq 1 for now.

[Priestmill]

Fyi, scanned with LS MAX HD with 60 cm dish, Eastern Can.

TP 1 12224 Q 70
TP 2 12239 Q 70
TP 3 12253 Q 70
TP 4 12268 Q 75
TP 5 12282 Q 15 (21500 - 161, 835, Aquah, Aquah*, CH 1000, Nhlh7, CH 1800 & A-Tool) Note: See TP 33 below.
TP 6 12297 Q 65
TP 7 12311 Q 80
TP 8 12326 Q 71
TP 9 12341 Q 15 (21500 - channels 221 to 228) Note: See TP 35 below.
TP 10 12355 Q 62
TP 11 12370 Q 15 (21500 - channels 541 to 548) Note: See TP 34 below.
TP 12 12384 Q 70
TP 13 12399 Q 72
TP 14 12414 Q 65
TP 15 12428 Q 64
TP 16 12443 Q 51
TP 17 12457 Q 15 (21500 - 917)
TP 18 12472 Q 83
TP 19 12486 Q 60
TP 20 12501 Q 52
TP 21 12501 Q 52
TP 22 12530 Q 61
TP 23 12545 Q 75
TP 24 12559 Q 68
TP 25 12574 Q 74
TP 26 12589 Q 74
TP 27 12603 Q 75
TP 28 12618 Q 83
TP 29 12632 Q 58
TP 30 12647 Q 60
TP 31 12661 Q 60
TP 32 12676 Q 58

TP 33 12282 Q 83
TP 34 12370 Q 84
TP 35 12341 Q 82

Note the 21500 test channels are audio only, if any at all.

[Terryl]

Nice list Priestmill....

And I too have lost those TP's that Cableman0327 has posted, but you still have a signal on them, they may be switching over as we post.

All my active transponders are in the 99% Q range, so far.(on a 1 meter dish)

[Terryl]

Anymore reports on any lost TP's?? (on Nimiq 1, 91W please)

[cableman0327]

Anymore reports on any lost TP's?? (on Nimiq 1, 91W please)

I Haven't lost any more then what i previously posted, still on a Dish 500, Haven't switched to a bigger dish yet, But i do have 35% on 12.370 (not enough to do anything....)

[Terryl]

Any one else????

[timster]

transponder 7 (12311) is now being sent from Nimiq 6

[Terryl]

Thanks for the update Timster.

I too have lost the following TP's as of today.

TP-1, 12224...."Q"= 0
TP-2, 12239...."Q"= 0
TP-3, 12253...."Q"= 0
TP-4, 12268...."Q"= 0
TP-6, 12297...."Q"= 0
TP-7, 12311...."Q"= 0
TP-13, 12399...."Q"= 0

Still have good signals on the rest
TP-20, 12501...."Q"= 98%

[Terryl]

OK as some have been reporting in other threads, I have lost all transponders on Nimiq 1. (in the central California area)

All read 0% "Q" on every TP from 12224 to 12676, so it looks like 80% of the US is out of luck for signals from BEV on 82/91.


We would still like reports from those South of the US Canadian border that still have signals from 91W.


Thanks to all that respond.

Terryl

[ignored ant]

Great Lakes Region,

Before:
S=99%
Q=97%

Today:
S=67%
Q=44%

Some TP's completely gone

DP500 dish

[beb022]

Completely gone here is So Cal good bye Canada:comfort1:

[runamok]

Gone in the carolina's.

[Mistress]

I thought Canada and us were best buds. But will they share their shiny new satellite with this loyal viewer near the MD, PA border? Hmmm?

No! I put out a 1 meter dish and an Invacom LNB --- nothing!

See if I ever eat beaver again, unfriendly neighbors! And, by- the-way, "hat" is pronounced "HAT" not "toupe".

[cmasjoe]

I thought Canada and us were best buds. But will they share their shiny new satellite with this loyal viewer near the MD, PA border? Hmmm?

No! I put out a 1 meter dish and an Invacom LNB --- nothing!

See if I ever eat beaver again, unfriendly neighbors! And, by- the-way, "hat" is pronounced "HAT" not "toupe".
With a name like mistress i can tell your going to have a tough time giving up eating beaver but for us guys no matter how unfriendly our neighbors are we will not give up eating beaver. I also tip my HAT to you for taking a stance on this issue.

[BHill]

I thought Canada and us were best buds. But will they share their shiny new satellite with this loyal viewer near the MD, PA border? Hmmm?

No! I put out a 1 meter dish and an Invacom LNB --- nothing!

See if I ever eat beaver again, unfriendly neighbors! And, by- the-way, "hat" is pronounced "HAT" not "toupe".

LMAO well I for one like the beaver I harvest three times a week.

Oh by the way that's toque and here is a bit of history on it.


In Canada, toque, or tuque (play /ˈtuːk/), is the common name for a knitted winter hat. The Canadian English term was assimilated from Canadian French tuque. Toque first appeared in writing around 1870.[1][2][3]

The fashion is said to have originated with the coureurs de bois, French and Métis fur traders, who kept their woollen nightcaps on for warmth during cold winter days. Such hats are known in other English-speaking countries by a variety of names, including beanie (American), watch cap or stocking cap; the terms tuque and toque are unique to Canada and northern areas of the United States, close to the Canadian border.


OOPs this is a HiJack! Sorry Terryl. hehehe

[cmasjoe]

I'm in PA. in the Scranton--Wilkes Barre area and my friend tells me he lost about 20% to 25% viewing with a dish 500. I should say i'm talking about SAT 91 with the changes today.

[Thun]

I've got a Bel sub with a regular Bel dish and in the Toronto area the signal strength has jumped substantially

TP 02 (WPIX) I lost signal frequently, use to be 53%, now it's 86%
TP 25 (Discovery) was around 83% now it's 94%
TP 30 (KTLA) was around 55% previously, now it's 83%

I hate spot beams, almost as much as scraping and stretching beaver pelts ;)

[tbird460nepa]

lost all tp's on 91w nimiq 1. 18" dtv single lnb, azbox premium plus. im about 75 nw of allentown,pa(should be in the footprint according to the beam maps i've looked at...). will i need to resort to a bigger dish or just a re-aim? anyone have any tp's for nimiq 6 yet or are they the same as what they were on nimiq 1? would like to try to get it back, but have also read it is now all turbo 8psk(bummer for me as i have dvb-s2 8psk....)? any truth to this or just another rumor?

[Terryl]

Try looking at the foot print for 82W, it is supposed to be the same.

Here is a link to it.

http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?norad=33373

[tbird460nepa]

still within the footprint(using the 82w map)....have to re-aim & see if that helps, if not i guess i'm going to have to try a bigger dish....? are the transponders the same nimiq6 & nimiq1?

[Terryl]

Transponders are the same, see post #27 on page 2 of this thread for a list.

[tbird460nepa]

ok thank you very much. i guess i'll have to try a re-aim and if nothing else i have a superdish i can try.... i'll let you know how it goes when i figure out when i'll attempt this as its been flirting with 100 degrees for a couple days here...to hot to be out in the sun for me! maybe tomorrow night....?

[cmangle]

According to the link above, they also list Nimiq6. When you switch to the footprint for Nimiq6 one line goes about 50 -60 miles north of Phila., is this signal representation for a 18" dish?

In other words I don't see a degrading set of signal lines with decremented eirp levels. Is the line represented above a ABSOLUTE signal cutoff point?

hxxp://www.satbeams.com/footprints?norad=33373

[BHill]

According to the link above, they also list Nimiq6. When you switch to the footprint for Nimiq6 one line goes about 50 -60 miles north of Phila., is this signal representation for a 18" dish?

In other words I don't see a degrading set of signal lines with decremented eirp levels. Is the line represented above a ABSOLUTE signal cutoff point?

hxxp://www.satbeams.com/footprints?norad=33373

Only one way to know for sure and that is test it.

[Terryl]

Nothing in the world of RF transmitting is 100% perfect.

If you were to look at the antenna on the Nimiq 6 satellite you would wonder "What the heck?" as it would look like a vague outline of Canada, this is its shield, the actual antennas are little stubs about 2.5 centimeter's long, these are the transmit antennas, the shield keeps the signal out of the unwanted areas.

Now this is tested on paper, and somewhat in the lab before it goes up in space, but you can't test it's total effectiveness at 22,500 miles, so there may be spillover and areas that may or may-not get the correct signals, or desired signal levels.

The projected footprint for this satellite is based on the Nimiq 4 foot print, to get an actual reading and corrected foot print would require some very tedious ground work with a lot of field measurements.

They more then likely don't have the cash or time to do this, so it's best guess on paper, and a few signal reports from installers.

If the shielding worked as designed, then the signal would stop right at the US Canadian border. but it doesn't, and there is spill over, how far this spill over goes is best guess, as Bell doesn't send trucks into the US to do the measurements.


And in some cases there is an unwanted signal bounce off the shield, this could be picked up in areas far from the designed footprint, were? only time will tell.

[oreile]

0 Q in Ft=Laud., Fl
I lost the beaver

[Mistress]

Today (Friday) I managed to scan and find a few here on the PA-MD border. I haven't made a list (but will). I got a bunch of the Dv channels; maybe all of the Venus (all dicks-all the time) channels.

The sig level is pretty low. It seems that 12428 is the strongest. No actual reception yet.

[jonD]

Located 200 miles southwest of Chicago I have Q=0 on all N6 transponders. What's interesting is I have a lock on all N4 transponders with a Q of 56 to 72 using my 36"X39" offset dish. The N6 footprint is definitely much tighter.
Checking with a couple of snowbirds one a hundred miles north of me with a 36" dish and the other 60 miles east of me with a 6ft dish. Both have Bev subs with Bev stbs. They also have Q=0 on all N6 transponders. So, the footprint cutoff appears to be very sharp.
If you would like to get info on N6 with pictures showing antennas and reflectors go to ssloral(dot)com. Checkout the 1300 system. Just follow the links.

[ruthie]

Heres a good link to a general of the footprint.....



http://www.satbeams.com/satellites?id=2478

[rizzo30]

I'm near Sioux Falls South Dakota and I can get 55% quality on a 39 inch dish for 82. I noticed that my quality on 91 is 0 now though.

[cmangle]

Last week the Nimiq1 Veb sat located @ 91 was replaced by Nimiq6. A few factors occurred with this upgrade.

Tighter footprint to the Canadian border and higher output power and alot (if not all soon) of xpndrs going to 21500/SR, Auto or 2/3 FEC, and T8PSK modulation.

As you may have read in other posts most people in the Mid to southern US have lost 91 all together now.

I did my first dish upgrade in NYC, NY.

I upgraded from a single LNB 18" dish pointed @ 91 to the 33" dish pictured below.

I'm only using two LNB's just for 82 and 91, out of curiosity I may try to load all four 82,91,110,and 119.

But I centered the dish on 91 for max signal gain.

It works fine with the new Nimiq6 sat from NYC, NY.

[Terryl]

Hi Cmangle,

I merged your post in with the others in this thread, we are getting too many started on this subject, and they are getting spread all over the place.

It would be nice to keep them all in one spot.

Thanks for the update from your location.

[teeteesat]

Cmangle,
What is the max signal level you got for 91? I will try my 36"x39" dish with motor.

[arflaw]

Located 200 miles southwest of Chicago I have Q=0 on all N6 transponders. What's interesting is I have a lock on all N4 transponders with a Q of 56 to 72 using my 36"X39" offset dish. The N6 footprint is definitely much tighter.
Checking with a couple of snowbirds one a hundred miles north of me with a 36" dish and the other 60 miles east of me with a 6ft dish. Both have Bev subs with Bev stbs. They also have Q=0 on all N6 transponders. So, the footprint cutoff appears to be very sharp.
If you would like to get info on N6 with pictures showing antennas and reflectors go to ssloral(dot)com. Checkout the 1300 system. Just follow the links.

I agree 100%, I live in same general area with same results. Much sharper cut off.

[teeteesat]

hit 91 today(sunny day) with 36"x39" dish with motor. Signal level 67-80 all tps in NYC area. Almost the same level as 82, if you had 82 before you should have no problem with 91(new nimiq6)

[dalo]

N.E. ohio 40 miles from the lake ilink 9600 30 inch dish single dp lnb signal 81 Q 90 486 channels scaned 91 or nimiq6 sky overcast ilink ir210 same dish s--78 Q 90 cnx nano 2 s--81 q 86 nfusion HD s 94 q 99

[Terryl]

I'm near Sioux Falls South Dakota and I can get 55% quality on a 39 inch dish for 82. I noticed that my quality on 91 is 0 now though.


hit 91 today(sunny day) with 36"x39" dish with motor. Signal level 67-80 all tps in NYC area. Almost the same level as 82, if you had 82 before you should have no problem with 91(new nimiq6)

Did you read Rizzo30's post?

Some are reporting the loss of 91W but still having a signal on 82W, we are seeing a sharper cutoff on the signals from 91W in some areas.



We need more reports......

[teeteesat]

sorry, I meant in NYC area

[masbigbro]

located 180 mi se of Chi town. Scaned 585 channels on nimiq6 with Dream Link and dish 100.2 with no switches. Added the dpp44 with power and only got 188 channels:frown: Get 91 on the 100.2 better than 82 on a dish500. Hope this helps. Got upgrade (33X30) coming next week to combine the 2.

[tonyp1414]

toupe or touque???

[mely wuso]

i used to take miniq 1 91 west now thier is no signal at all from nyc , any help please or what kind of dish i'll need to get miniq1 91 west

[Terryl]

A larger dish will help, some have had to use as large as a 39" dish.

The new satellite at 91W (Nimiq 6) now has a tighter beam then the old one, they moved the signal closer to the Canadian border, so if your still within the new footprint but in one of the lower signal areas a bigger dish would/could help.

If you take a look at the link below, and zoom in on the NYC area you will see that the new footprint is just above NYC, clicking on the edje of the footprint shows that at least a 30" dish would be needed, but there are no guarantees if a 39" dish will work at your location.


http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?norad=38342