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rokko
06-24-2012, 03:05 AM
couple good fights tonite--mathesse wins and then ortiz lopez is stopped because ortiz cant continue because of broken jaw
Fibroso
06-24-2012, 03:20 AM
Another opponent for Bradley and even Manny Pacquiao, the jaw breaker, Josesito Lopez.
rokko
06-24-2012, 03:51 AM
it looked like ortiz was getting winded and got hit with his mouth open--josesito is tough
rudee
06-24-2012, 04:29 AM
Yeah... great fights!
I saw when Ortiz got hit... I saw he had his mouth open.. I knew something happen
when he started backtracking...he did have a broken jaw, it was just hanging and bleeding.
I have seen a few broken jaws in my day.. they all bleed.
No way could Ortiz continue. His corner gotta be nuts to send him out again.
Ortiz was winning the fight.
That Argentinian fighter earlier is one tough cookie! He can take a punch and hits like a mule.
Good night of boxing.. got my fix for the week!
Fibroso
06-24-2012, 11:46 AM
One thing can be said, judges were taken out of the scene. Lucas didn't want another bad decision from them. He's got two split decisions loses, otherwise he'll be undefeated. Ortiz just got unlucky although Lopez is a good straight in fighter with lots of cojones.GBP is taking over boxing, no need of names to have a successful event. After all the Bradley/Pac melodrama, we can say boxing still alive............................
Fibroso
06-24-2012, 12:16 PM
Lopez stops Victor Ortiz in stunning upset
LOS ANGELES (AP) Josesito Lopez climbed onto the ropes and regarded the shocked fans through swollen eyes. Raising his gloves and stretching his arms wide, he greeted their boisterous cheers with one long, joyous shrug.
Even if he couldn't quite believe it, Lopez knew how to celebrate one of the biggest upsets in recent boxing history.
Lopez stopped star Victor Ortiz after nine rounds Saturday night, apparently breaking Ortiz's jaw to end a stunning victory for an unheralded welterweight from nearby Riverside.
After trading damaging shots and momentum swings throughout a closer-than-expected bout, Ortiz stayed on his stool before the 10th round could begin, his corner stopping the fight when the injury left Ortiz unable to close his mouth. An instant later, Lopez (30-4, 18 KOs) and his retinue of trainers and promoters turned the ring into a joyous mosh pit.
''I knew I had to fight the fight of my life to win,'' said Lopez, who has never fought for a world title. ''I knew the longer it went, the better chance I'd have. He hits hard, but I was never going to quit. I knew it was a close fight on the scorecards, and I knew I could press him more and more if I continued. He's like a tree. I had to chop him down.''
Lopez accepted the fight last month as a late replacement for Andre Berto, whose failed doping test scuttled the eagerly anticipated rematch of Ortiz's unanimous decision over Berto in a tumultuous bout in April 2011.
Ortiz (29-4-2) was narrowly leading on all three judges' scorecards when he quit, but the former welterweight champion didn't dominate as expected in his first bout since getting stopped by Floyd Mayweather Jr. last September.
Although Ortiz repeatedly tagged Lopez with shots throughout the bout, producing swelling around both of Lopez's eyes, Lopez repeatedly replied with big shots of his own - and he even taunted Ortiz with come-at-me gestures that thrilled the crowd.
''I'm a man, and I'm not intimidated by anything,'' Lopez said. ''I have a big heart. He tried to intimidate me, but it didn't work. Victor has no heart.''
Argentina's Lucas Matthysse also stopped Mexico's Humberto Soto after five rounds with a barrage of punches at the bell in a thrilling 140-pound fight on the undercard.
Ortiz was so confident of a victory over Lopez that he already agreed to his next fight: a showdown in Las Vegas in September with Mexican star Saul ''Canelo'' Alvarez, who watched this bout from ringside.
The Ortiz-Alvarez fight is now off, and Lopez will be among the contenders for that title shot. Golden Boy promoter Richard Schaefer, who said he was glad Ortiz quit to avoid devastating injury, expects to announce Alvarez's new opponent next week.
''What a courageous fighter,'' Schaefer said of Lopez. ''We know how hard Victor hits, one of the hardest punchers in the business, and the way Josesito took those punches is absolutely amazing. I have hardly ever seen a fighter with that kind of heart. That's boxing. That's why we love it.''
The upset is an enormous setback for Ortiz, who hadn't been in the ring since Mayweather flattened him when Ortiz dropped his guard and attempted to hug the unbeaten pound-for-pound champion after a head-butt. Ortiz thinks he hurt his jaw in the fifth round, but wasn't certain.
''Josesito busted my jaw,'' Ortiz said. ''I had my mouth open, and he broke my jaw. I couldn't close my mouth.''
Ortiz showcased his superior skill and power from the opening round, repeatedly putting Lopez on the retreat. Yet Lopez constantly found ways to respond, either through counterpunching or his own strong shots to Ortiz, who has never been a defensive technician.
Lopez used his longer reach to pick at Ortiz, who occasionally showed frustration in a clinch. Ortiz also hit Lopez with a rabbit punch in the back of the head, earning a caution from the referee and the jeers of fans.
Ortiz and Lopez traded shots throughout the eighth and ninth rounds. Ortiz wasn't obviously hurt in the ring, but didn't answer the bell for the 10th round.
Ortiz was disappointed to lose his lucrative rematch with Berto, but claimed he wouldn't take Lopez lightly. And Lopez certainly didn't behave like a substitute opponent, reveling a spate of pre-fight publicity that included throwing out the first pitch at Dodger Stadium.
Lopez also added some spice to a previously civil promotion Friday when he pressed his head into Ortiz's head when the fighters faced off for photographs after the weigh-in, leading to harsh words and forcing promoter Oscar De La Hoya to step between them.
Earlier, Matthysse (31-2, 29 KOs) put on an impressive display of punching power and tenacity against Soto (59-8-2), a three-time champion. He also didn't allow the fight to be decided by American judges after losing debatable decisions against hometown fighters Zab Judah and Devon Alexander earlier in his career.
After Soto looked strong in the first two rounds, Matthysse began picking apart Soto's defense with left hooks and body shots. Matthysse then closed the fight in dramatic fashion late in the fifth, landing a right-left-right combo that staggered Soto several steps back into the ropes.
Matthysse closed the distance and decked Soto with a straight right hand right before the bell rang, depositing Soto on the canvas in a heap. Soto beat the count and wobbled back to his stool, but the veteran's corner stopped the fight.
Matthysse celebrated on his cornermen's shoulders, draping an Argentine flag around his neck.
''I felt his punches, but he could never hurt me,'' Matthysse said. ''I was so well prepared, and honestly, tonight was my night because I threw the best punches.''
rudee
06-24-2012, 01:28 PM
Very well stated amigo Fib.. Ortiz has a return bout clause in the contract... i am sure he will use it..
A broken jaw takes a long time to heal... gotta be wired shut as we all know...
Both gents to be commended for a great fight..
I really didn't care who won... even though Lopez is a local boy here... i do like Ortiz too.
Fibroso
06-24-2012, 01:43 PM
Very well stated amigo Fib.. Ortiz has a return bout clause in the contract... i am sure he will use it..
A broken jaw takes a long time to heal... gotta be wired shut as we all know...
Both gents to be commended for a great fight..
I really didn't care who won... even though Lopez is a local boy here... i do like Ortiz too.
With this showing, Lopez is bound for a little fight starting at 140 and God knows how far he can get. He's tall and can hold some extra weight and muscle mass. Cojones he's got plenty. I thought you was there at ring side!!!!!!
rudee
06-24-2012, 03:39 PM
Ha ha ha!! I avoid Staples like the plague!!! middle of downtown LA... costs ya 15 or 20 bucks just to park!
Ya know I thought Lopez fought really well,,, however,,
I don't like him saying Ortiz had no heart! he had heart enough to be ahead on all scorecards.
Guy had a broken jaw... give the guy credit for beating the crap outta you up til then.
Ortiz was a gent on the interview and in the press..
Just don't like guys that don't give credit to their opponents.
Lopez is kinda a loudmouth... he is on my **** list now.. ha ha ha!!! (like he cares)
According to todays paper,,, Lopez will fight at 140.. too difficult for him to gain weight.
d3athrac3r
06-24-2012, 07:57 PM
im glad i didnt miss the fights, its a shame ortiz jaw broke. i believe the last 3 rounds would have been intense
since all boxers now are going for knockouts instead of scorecards. ortiz was getting killed with those body blows but
lopez eye was starting to close really bad. but lopez did ruin it by his attitude during the interview hes also on my craplist
now. im hoping for rematches for both fights.
Fibroso
06-25-2012, 12:24 PM
'Little Jose' pulls upset as big as anyLOS ANGELES -- Josesito Lopez is used to being overlooked. He has had to deal with it his entire life. But never before was his perceived unimportance and insignificance shoved in his face as publicly as it was last week.
While Lopez prepared for the fight of his life against Victor Ortiz, it was announced that Ortiz would face Saul "Canelo" Alvarez on Sept. 15, headlining a pay-per-view-card at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
Of course, the fight was contingent on Ortiz's beating Lopez on Saturday night at Staples Center, but that seemed like a foregone conclusion to Oscar De La Hoya and the crew at Golden Boy Promotions, who represent both Ortiz and Alvarez, as they patted themselves on the back for setting up such a great fight.
More on Lopez-Ortiz http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/rafael_dan_m.jpgJosesito Lopez didn't just take down Victor Ortiz, he also managed to shake up the boxing establishment, Dan Rafael writes. Story (http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8090155/josesito-lopez-breaks-victor-ortiz-jaw-boxing-sept-15-stalemate)
"I felt disrespected," Lopez said. "I wanted to mess up their plans."
On Saturday night, Lopez not only messed up their plans, he shattered them with the same force he used to shatter Ortiz's jaw and pull off the upset of the year to end the fight of the year.
In the end, Ortiz, who had gotten into Lopez's face at Friday's weigh-in and spoke of destroying Lopez at Thursday's news conference, simply quit. He said he broke his jaw in the fifth round, and by the end of the ninth round he couldn't physically continue. Narrowly leading on all of the judges' cards, Ortiz was seemingly urged by his corner to continue when he got up and called the fight himself.
"I'm a man, and I'm not intimidated by anything," Lopez said. "I have a big heart. He tried to intimidate me, but it didn't work. Victor has no heart."
Lopez had hinted at this notion to those around him ever since he was a late substitute to face Ortiz, after Andre Berto tested positive last month for a performance-enhancing drug. Since the Ortiz-Berto fight had already been pushed back once because of an injury to Berto, Ortiz opted to keep the date and face a substitute instead. Lopez, however, wasn't just any substitute.
"I know I can frustrate him," Lopez said before the fight. "I can take his will."
Lopez did more than that during an epic back-and-forth fight with more ebbs and flows than a Hollywood drama. He took away the WBC silver welterweight title and a seven-figure payday against Alvarez. As much as Ortiz claimed he wasn't focused on Alvarez before the fight, it was hard to ignore Canelo as he sat ringside next to De La Hoya during the fight. It was also hard to ignore the stunned faces of both De La Hoya and Alvarez when the fight was over.
"I couldn't close my mouth," Ortiz said in the ring before being taken to a hospital. "My corner wanted me to continue, but I just couldn't."
Lopez grew up in poverty in Riverside, Calif., and still calls the city his home. He watched his father, Jose Sr., get sent to a Texas prison nearly nine years ago in a drug transportation case and said he found solace in the boxing gym. Boxing, however, hasn't always been kind to Lopez. He has suffered three narrow defeats by decision since 2006 and was able to land the Ortiz fight only after his scheduled bout against Kendall Holt on the same day was canceled.
It seems the cards have always been stacked against Lopez, which is a position he was more than comfortable with coming into Saturday's fight.
"There's a reason why they call me Josesito," Lopez said. "I'm 'Little Jose' for a reason: I've always been the skinny guy fighting the bigger guy, or the smallest Jose on the block. I'm used to that."
After the fight, as he walked the bowels of Staples Center to the news conference, Lopez was still stunned by the championship belt that was draped over his right shoulder. He had never fought for a world title before, and a month ago he was looking to face anybody, anywhere after his fight got canceled. Now, here he was, suddenly, unbelievably, a world champion.
"This was my Rocky moment, and I wasn't going to let it go," Lopez said. "This is my Rocky moment. I didn't plan ahead. I didn't plan a single hour after the fight. I didn't bring clothes to wear. I didn't know what was going to go on after the fight. My plan was to get in here and go from there. I'm still in somewhat of a shock. We did it. We did it."
Even during his news conference after the fight, he was quickly ushered off the dais after addressing the media for about five minutes, as Alvarez was brought up to promote his Sept. 15 fight against an opponent to be named later. While Lopez tried to answer reporters' questions off to the side, they were asked to be quiet before eventually being told to move to the hallway while Alvarez spoke.
It was almost a fitting end to an unbelievable night for Lopez.
"I did it," Lopez said. "This poor, skinny Mexican from Riverside did it."
Fibroso
06-25-2012, 12:32 PM
im glad i didnt miss the fights, its a shame ortiz jaw broke. i believe the last 3 rounds would have been intense
since all boxers now are going for knockouts instead of scorecards. ortiz was getting killed with those body blows but
lopez eye was starting to close really bad. but lopez did ruin it by his attitude during the interview hes also on my craplist
now. im hoping for rematches for both fights.
He felt disrespected, that might of triggered his negative reaction. He pulled an upset and deserves all the credit. I think he will give hell to any jr welterweight and even some "small" welterweights champs.
"I felt disrespected," Lopez said. "I wanted to mess up their plans."
Fibroso
06-25-2012, 12:48 PM
Ha ha ha!! I avoid Staples like the plague!!! middle of downtown LA... costs ya 15 or 20 bucks just to park!
Ya know I thought Lopez fought really well,,, however,,
I don't like him saying Ortiz had no heart! he had heart enough to be ahead on all scorecards.
Guy had a broken jaw... give the guy credit for beating the crap outta you up til then.
Ortiz was a gent on the interview and in the press..
Just don't like guys that don't give credit to their opponents.
Lopez is kinda a loudmouth... he is on my **** list now.. ha ha ha!!! (like he cares)
According to todays paper,,, Lopez will fight at 140.. too difficult for him to gain weight.
This is why I love the Big Apple, no parking mess, you just take the subway and walla, there you are next to MSG. Josesito was hype and also hurt. The publicity given to Ortiz and the promotion for his (next) event against Canelo wasn't of his like at all.
He had a negative reac to that. I like the dude, he's gone get far in this business. jmo
Fibroso
06-25-2012, 07:45 PM
Weekend Review: Lopez's emergence by Michael Rosenthal
Jun 25th, 2012
BIGGEST WINNER
Josesito Lopez: Lopez garnered some attention when he stopped then-unbeaten prospect Mike Dallas Jr. in January of last year. And even in defeat against Jessie Vargas in September – by a controversial split decision – Lopez, ruggged beyond his weight, looked as if he would be a handful for just about any opponent. Still, we didn’t exactly see this coming. Victor Ortiz was supposed to be an elite talent, a fighter who would squash a relative unknown like Lopez en route to a lucrative fight against Canelo Alvarez. Lopez didn’t cooperate. The resident of Riverside, Calif., stepped into the ring with steely determination, considerable ability and perhaps the best chin in boxing. It was clear almost from the beginning that he spelled trouble for Ortiz, who landed more punches but seemed to take the harder shots. Then, with his jaw (and will?) broken after nine rounds, Ortiz said he could not go on. Just like that, Lopez (30-4, 18 knockouts) was a major player in boxing. And make no mistake: He earned it.
BIGGEST LOSER
Victor Ortiz: Only those who have tried to fight with a broken jaw could know what Ortiz was experiencing late in his fight with Lopez, if in fact it was broken. And, yes, it’s easy for us to suggest that he should’ve continued to fight. After all, many others – Muhammad Ali included – have fought with damaged jaws. Still, perceptions are perceptions. Ortiz (29-4-2, 22 KOs) was deemed by many a quitter when he stopped fighting against Marcos Maidana in 2009. That word was used again to describe what happened on Saturday night, whether that’s fair or not. Ortiz is young (only 25) and remains a good fighter. After all, he was leading on all three cards when the fight was stopped Saturday. The question many have is whether he has the mental toughness to realize his full potential. More people than ever undoubtedly are answering that question in the negative.
MOST UNCERTAIN
Alvarez’s next opponent: Richard Schaefer, Alvarez’s promoter, said Alvarez’s scheduled fight on Sept. 15 bill be on pay-per-view TV, Showtime or CBS depending on the opponent. Among the names that have been mentioned: Lopez, Cornelius Bundrage, Austin Trout, Vanes Martirosyan and Carlos Quintana. Of course, none of those fighters would make for a pay-per-view event. James Kirkland and Miguel Cotto are pay-per-view material but neither appears to be in the picture as a possible opponent. Schaefer also said he has a “wild card” possibility big enough for a pay-per-view event but wouldn’t say who it is. I would try to lure Kirkland into the ring, although earlier negotiations reportedly broke down over a shoulder injury and money. That would be a war. For the record: Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Sergio Martinez are also scheduled to fight on Sept. 15. It will be fascinating to see what opponent on what network Schaefer comes up with.
BIGGEST WINNER II
Lucas Matthysse: The hard-punching Argentine did the smart thing in his fight against Humberto Soto on the Ortiz-Lopez undercard – he didn’t leave his fate in the hands of the judges. Matthysse (31-2, 29 KOs) has been burned twice by questionable scorecards; many believe he beat both Zab Judah (2010) and Devon Alexander (last year), each of whom walked away with split-decision victories. This time, Matthysse took matters into his own hands by stopping Soto (58-8-2, 34 KOs) after five rounds. The talented Mexican was competitive, outboxing and outworking Matthysse at times. However, Matthysse landed the head-snapping punches that catch the eyes of the judges more often than Soto. And then two overhand rights and a vicious straight right put Soto down and hurt him a split-second before the bell to end the fifth round, ending the fight. Thus, Matthysse will get another big, lucrative fight, possibly against countryman Marcos Maidana.
MOST IMPRESSIVE
Michael Dallas: Dallas’ career was in doubt after consecutive losses to Lopez (KO 7) and Mauricio Herrera (majority decision) last year. The central Californian made a nice statement by shutting out Miguel Gonzalez in February, a solid step back toward prospect status. Then, against capable Javier Castro on Friday in San Jacinto, Calif., on national TV, Dallas looked like the fighter many expected him to be. He dominated Castro from the opening bell to the moment referee Lou Moret stopped the fight to save Castro (27-5, 22 KOs) from further punishment. Dallas (19-2-1, 8 KOs) fought well and with impressive fire, which surely left an impression on those who saw the fight. Dallas still must beat a top-tier opponent to prove his mettle but this was a solid step in the right direction.
BEST QUOTE
Lopez, immediately after he beat Ortiz: “I’m a man. And I’m not intimidated by anything. I have a big heart. He tried to intimidate me but it didn’t work. Victor has no heart.”
rokko
06-25-2012, 09:51 PM
Ortiz's injury offically diagnosed: Jaw broken in two places + internal bleeding
"Victor Ortiz suffered two fractures in the right side of his jaw during his action-packed welterweight fight against Josesito Lopez on Saturday night, underwent surgery Sunday and remained hospitalized at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles on Monday, manager Rolando Arellano told ESPN.com.
In what he termed his "Rocky moment," Josesito Lopez forced everyone to stand and take notice of his work, Arash Markazi writes. Story
Arellano said Ortiz, a former welterweight titleholder, suffered the initial fracture during the fifth round of the bout but continued fighting until Lopez inflicted a second fracture with a clean left hook in the ninth round, after which Ortiz retired on his stool to give Lopez the major upset.
Arellano said that Ortiz's surgeon inserted a titanium plate in his jaw along with three screws during the two-hour operation. Ortiz's mouth was also wired closed and will remain that way for about two weeks during what is expected to be a six-week healing process.
Ortiz, however, is already thinking about his next fight, Arellano said.
During a visit with Ortiz on Monday morning, Arellano said Ortiz wrote down on a piece of paper "exercise the rematch clause" because he wants to face Lopez (30-4, 18 KOs) again, as is his contractual right, even though Ortiz likely won't fight for the rest of this year.
Ortiz (29-4-2, 22 KOs), who was fighting for the first time since losing his world title in a fourth-round knockout loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. in September, was ahead of Lopez on all three scorecards at the time of the stoppage.
"Victor broke the jaw in the fifth round. He felt a weird sensation because he couldn't close his mouth all the way," Arellano said. "So he was holding his glove underneath his jaw to keep it closed because it was hanging open. Victor fought four or five rounds with a broken jaw and every time he would throw punches, he would take his glove away from his jaw and it would just drop. He said every time he got hit on it, it felt like someone was slicing open his body it hurt so much. He didn't know what was going on."
Victor Ortiz suffered two fractures in the right side of his jaw during his loss to Josesito Lopez on Saturday night.
Arellano said Ortiz eventually began to gag on "thick blood in his mouth. The doctors said it was extremely dangerous because he had internal bleeding, which they said they could tell by the thickness of the blood. This was a lot more serious than anyone anticipated at first when we just thought he had a broken jaw."After it was determined that Ortiz would need surgery, Arellano said he was transferred from the original hospital that examined him after the fight to the more advanced Cedars-Sinai.
Ortiz is expected to be released in the next couple of days, Arellano said.
Arellano said he would like to see Ortiz, 25, of Ventura, Calif., have the opportunity to avenge the loss to Lopez, a 27-year-old junior welterweight from Riverside, Calif.
"Of course, we want the rematch, just like Victor wrote down for me, but I just want to make sure this young man is OK," Arellano said. "It was an exciting fight and we were winning but it was just one of those things that happen in boxing. It's always unpredictable.
"Victor was down because the injury happened, but this is part of the sport. We know that we live by the sword and die by the sword, and we can't stand here and cry about it. You lick your wounds and move forward."
Lopez took the fight against Ortiz on a month's notice and moved up in weight after the original opponent, former welterweight titlist Andre Berto, was dropped from the match after testing positive for a steroid in a random pre-fight urine test. Ortiz had outpointed Berto in April 2011 in one of the best fights of the year to claim a welterweight belt and the rematch was one of the most anticipated bouts of 2012.
The loss to Lopez ruined Ortiz's next fight, which had already been set -- a Sept. 15 shot against junior middleweight titlist Saul "Canelo" Alvarez in a Showtime PPV headliner from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas."
Fibroso
06-25-2012, 11:47 PM
So he fought with a broken jaw, better said, he was winning with a broken jaw. Josesito has heavy hands to be able to brake a bone. We need to see him against a top jr welterweight, I bet he can do a good job on any of them. Victor needs to take good care of himself If he really wants a rematch.
rudee
06-25-2012, 11:50 PM
Lotta people on the Lopez bandwagon now.... don't forget,, he was losing the fight.... big on one scorecard.
broken jaws happen... like busted knees in football....
Ortiz got caught with his mouth open... which usually means broken jaw..
I would take Ortiz in a rematch... he would probably take Lopez more seriously next time..
He did wobble Lopez a few times himself.. more blows to those little ribs would do it.
I bet he will exercise his rematch option.. hope so.
Fibroso
06-26-2012, 12:22 AM
Lotta people on the Lopez bandwagon now.... don't forget,, he was losing the fight.... big on one scorecard.
broken jaws happen... like busted knees in football....
Ortiz got caught with his mouth open... which usually means broken jaw..
I would take Ortiz in a rematch... he would probably take Lopez more seriously next time..
He did wobble Lopez a few times himself.. more blows to those little ribs would do it.
I bet he will exercise his rematch option.. hope so.
Lopez was aggressive as an underdog.
Never showed respect for Victor, certainly wont have any for the rematch.
Got to remember that the late call to fill in for Berto didn't give him time for a real training camp. He will train better next time.
It'll be a better fight next time, with the same result.
rokko
06-26-2012, 01:55 AM
its going to be a while before ortiz can fight--it will be interesting to see who lopez fights next
Condor
06-26-2012, 03:37 PM
Lopez was aggressive as an underdog.
Never showed respect for Victor, certainly wont have any for the rematch.
Got to remember that the late call to fill in for Berto didn't give him time for a real training camp. He will train better next time.
It'll be a better fight next time, with the same result.
You are probably correct amigo Fib.....As I have always said...Every fighter has someone out there that has his #...lol.. Josesito may be that one for Ortiz..........
rudee
06-26-2012, 03:54 PM
You guys have fallen in love with a "one hit wonder"
We will talk when the rematch is set..... as rokko said.... it will be a while.. I would say a year at least.
We will bet pink slips.... (i got my Yugo sitting in the driveway now)
You guys STILL ignore the fact that Ortiz was winning the fight.
I think its more a fact that you dislike Ortiz then the fact that you like Lopez.
Fibroso
06-26-2012, 04:37 PM
You guys have fallen in love with a "one hit wonder"
We will talk when the rematch is set..... as rokko said.... it will be a while.. I would say a year at least.
We will bet pink slips.... (i got my Yugo sitting in the driveway now)
You guys STILL ignore the fact that Ortiz was winning the fight.
I think its more a fact that you dislike Ortiz then the fact that you like Lopez.
A broken jaw from a jr welterweight, speaks for itself. Didn't see Josesito visit the canvas once.
Victor was hit hard and frequently in every round. Josesito assimilated all that Victor had even with a large disadvantage.
If the fight would have continue, we know that Ortiz was the judges favored since the fight with Canelo was already singed.
No way Josesito had a chance, same would have occur with Lucas against your paisano.
This was a great event because of its surprising outcome....................
plastikman
06-26-2012, 06:13 PM
ortiz didnt take the fight serious enough, he had his sights on canelo and in the end lost the fight.. Next time ortiz will kick butt...
Gamer
06-26-2012, 07:02 PM
ortiz didnt take the fight serious enough, he had his sights on canelo and in the end lost the fight.. Next time ortiz will kick butt...
I agree as Ortiz may have underestimated lopez and in a rematch he would dominate.So Ortiz is out of a payday and probably a beating at the hands of Canelo.
Fibroso
06-26-2012, 11:10 PM
You guys need to see this................
ESPN.com's divisional rankings
WELTERWEIGHTS (147 POUNDS)
1. Manny Pacquiao (54-4-2)
http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2012/0516/box_g_pacquiao11_65.jpg
Forget about the official split-decision "loss" Pacquiao was saddled with against Timothy Bradley Jr. on June 9. Besides judges Duane Ford and C.J. Ross, most of the rest of the planet saw Pacquiao winning easily by several rounds. Pacquiao, who looked a lot better against Bradley than he did in a controversial decision win against Juan Manuel Marquez in November, can exercise his contractual right to a rematch with Bradley, which would take place Nov. 10. But the fight was so one-sided (and the pay-per-view wasn't a home run) that we are more likely to see Pacquiao-Marquez IV instead.
Next: TBA.
2. Andre Berto (28-1)
Berto asked Victor Ortiz to accept a random blood and urine testing program in the buildup to their June 23 rematch, so it came as a shock when Berto failed a random urine test, submitting a sample that tested positive for the steroid norandrosterone. It cost Berto the fight and has cast a dark cloud over his career.
Next: TBA.
3. Jan Zaveck (32-2)
In September 2011, Zaveck, the only titleholder in the history of Slovenia, lost his belt to Andre Berto, but he gave Berto a good fight until the bout was stopped because of cuts and swelling. Zaveck made his return March 24 in his native country, easily outpointing Namibia's Bethuel Uushona.
Next: TBA.
4. Josesito Lopez (30-4)
Lopez, the unheralded underdog, moved up in weight from junior welterweight to face former titlist Victor Ortiz on June 23 as a late substitute for the steroid-busted Andre Berto. Lopez broke Ortiz's jaw in two places and forced him to retire on his stool after the ninth round of a terrific fight. Ortiz said he will pick up his option for a rematch, although he is sideline for the time being because of the jaw injury. For Lopez, the fight was, as he said, his "Rocky moment."
Next: TBA.
5. Victor Ortiz (29-4-2)
Ortiz was slated for a much-anticipated rematch against fellow former titleholder Andre Berto in a major Showtime fight at Staples Center in Los Angeles until Berto tested positive for steroids in a random urine test. With Berto out, Ortiz -- with a Sept. 15 junior middleweight title shot against Saul "Canelo" Alvarez dependent on a win or a draw -- instead got all he could handle from Josesito Lopez on June 23. Although Ortiz was ahead on all three scorecards, he resigned after the ninth round because his jaw was fractured in two places and he had internal bleeding. He had jaw surgery and will be out of action for quite awhile.
Next: TBA.
6. Selcuk Aydin (23-0)
Turkey's Aydin is headed to the United States for a very interesting Showtime fight against Robert Guerrero (29-1-1), a former featherweight and junior lightweight titlist who is coming off shoulder surgery and moving from lightweight all the way to welterweight. It's a winnable fight for Aydin, even though he will face Guerrero in San Jose, Calif., Guerrero's home region.
Next: July 28 vs. Guerrero.
7. Paulie Malignaggi (31-4)
Malignaggi, a former junior welterweight titlist, won a welterweight belt in impressive fashion by going to Ukraine and dismantling Vyacheslav Senchenko on April 29. Malignaggi busted up Senchenko's left eye to force a ninth-round stoppage in what might have been the best performance of his career. Although Malignaggi could fight this summer, Golden Boy is planning for him to defend his belt on Oct. 20 in the first boxing event at the new Barclays Center in Brooklyn.
Next: TBA.
8. Kell Brook (27-0)
In a battle to determine England's top welterweight, Brook dominated former European champion Matthew Hatton on March 17, scoring a 10th-round knockdown and laying a beating on him in an impressive and lopsided decision victory in front of a hometown crowd in Sheffield. Brook will fight in Sheffield again when he faces American Carson Jones (34-8-2), who has won eight fights in a row.
Next: July 7 vs. Jones.
9. Devon Alexander (23-1)
Alexander moved up to welterweight on Feb. 25 and looked very impressive, rolling to a virtual shutout of junior welterweight titlist Marcos Maidana, who had also moved up. Like many of Golden Boy's fighters, Alexander is jumping from HBO to Showtime for his next fight. He will challenge new titleholder Randall Bailey for his belt.
Next: Sept. 8 vs. Bailey.
10. Randall Bailey (43-7) Former junior welterweight titlist Bailey has perhaps the best pure power in boxing, especially in his right hand, which could put anyone to sleep. So even though he was way behind Mike Jones in a horrible fight on the June 9 Manny Pacquiao-Timothy Bradley Jr. undercard, Bailey always had a puncher's chance to win. He did just that, knocking out Jones with a flush right uppercut in the 11th to win a vacant belt at age 37 -- and more than a decade after he last held a world title. Bailey's first defense will headline a Showtime card against Devon Alexander.
Next: Sept. 8 vs. Alexander.
rokko
06-26-2012, 11:50 PM
floyd moved up in weight and thats why you dont see his name here--berto at # 2 is laughable--after he was busted for steroids
Fibroso
06-27-2012, 12:14 AM
Agreed, most interesting here, since Pacquiao has run out of challengers, do you think that Arum will take advantage of the Josesito situation and shoots for a Pac/Josesito after the rematch with Bradley? Will be more attractive than the rematch itself.
The rankings are giving Josesito a hell of a boost.
rokko
06-27-2012, 12:33 AM
wheres bradley on this list?
Fibroso
06-27-2012, 01:14 AM
JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHTS (140 POUNDS)
1. Timothy Bradley Jr. (29-0)
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Bradley moved up to welterweight for a shot at titleholder and superstar Manny Pacquiao on June 9, and even though Bradley fought his rear end off and gave it everything he had, he was soundly beaten by Pacquiao. At least that's what most people who watched the fight thought -- except for judges Duane Ford and C.J. Ross, whose scorecards gave Bradley the win via split decision. It will go down as one of the most controversial decisions in boxing history. Bradley is nursing his two injured feet, but he could meet Pacquiao again Nov. 10, if Pacquiao exercises his rematch clause, although it appears he won't.
Next: TBA.
2. Lamont Peterson (30-1-1)
Peterson was supposed to defend his belts in a major rematch against Amir Khan on May 19, but he failed a urine test as part of a random testing regimen (which he asked for) and the fight was canceled. The fallout is a total mess; Peterson could eventually stripped of his belts and have the result of his December fight with Khan overturned to a no-contest because Peterson admitted to taking the banned substance -- synthetic testosterone -- just before that fight.
Next: TBA.
3. Amir Khan (26-2)
When Lamont Peterson asked Khan to accept random blood and urine testing in the lead-up to their rematch, Khan said fine. Yet it was Peterson who failed a test, and now Khan's hard work in training camp and seven-figure payday have gone down the drain with the canceled May 19 fight. Instead, Khan has been rescheduled to fight this summer against Danny Garcia, who owns one of the 140-pound titles.
Next: July 14 vs. Garcia.
4. Juan Manuel Marquez (54-6-1)
Returning home to fight in Mexico City for the first time since 1994 -- his second year as a professional -- Marquez rolled past Ukraine's Sergey Fedchenko in an April 14 pay-per-view main event. Marquez claimed a vacant interim belt in his first fight since a controversial majority decision loss to rival Manny Pacquiao in November. Marquez was supposed to return on a July 14 pay-per-view card at Cowboys Stadium, but he decided against it and may instead land a fourth fight with Pacquiao on Nov. 10.
Next: TBA.
5. Lucas Matthysse (31-2)
The big puncher from Argentina walked through some heavy shots to deliver his own big bombs in a thrilling fifth-round knockout of respected former two-division titlist Humberto Soto on the June 23 Josesito Lopez-Victor Ortiz undercard. Matthysse is as TV-friendly as any fighter in boxing.
Next: TBA.
6. Marcos Maidana (31-3)
Although Maidana holds a junior welterweight title, he moved up to welterweight on Feb. 25 and was schooled by Devon Alexander in a lopsided decision loss. Originally, Maidana said he would return to 140 pounds to continue defending his belt, but he will instead take a second consecutive welterweight bout when he meets utterly untested Keith Thurman (17-0) on HBO's Adrien Broner-Vicente Escobedo "Boxing After Dark" undercard.
Next: July 21 vs. Thurman.
7. Zab Judah (42-7)
In July 2011, Judah looked like an old, shot fighter when he was dominated and knocked out in the fifth round of a title unification bout against Amir Khan. But in Judah's return on March 24, he looked like the Judah of old -- not an old Judah -- as he dominated Vernon Paris and stopped him in the ninth round of an elimination bout. There was talk of a July 14 fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, but ultimately it's not going to happen.
Next: TBA.
8. Mike Alvarado (33-0)
In a sensational fight on an April 14 pay-per-view card, Alvarado slugged it out with Mauricio Herrera in a candidate for fight of the year. Alvarado won the clear decision and although he hasn't yet gotten a title opportunity, he is likely to get a coveted slot on the Sept. 15 HBO PPV undercard of the Sergio Martinez-Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. fight.
Next: TBA.
9. Danny Garcia (23-0)
Garcia had beaten good names like Kendall Holt and Nate Campbell, but he put the name of a legend on his résumé and won a vacant world title on March 24. He was too young, too fast, too sharp and too strong in a competitive decision victory against the great Erik Morales, who had been stripped of his belt the day before the bout for not making weight. Garcia will have another great opportunity because he has been tapped to face Amir Khan, after Khan's fight with Lamont Peterson was canceled because of Peterson's positive drug test.
Next: July 14 vs. Khan.
10. Ajose Olusegun (30-0) Born in Nigeria and living in England, Olusegun is the overlooked mandatory challenger for titleholder Danny Garcia. The fight is due, but the WBC refuses to enforce its own rules. Olusegun earned the opportunity by dominating Ali Chebah in a title eliminator last September.
Next: TBA.
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