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Fibroso
07-20-2012, 12:30 PM
Khan contemplates split with Roach by Harry Pratt
Jul 18th, 201




Fallen former junior welterweight titleholder Amir Khan is reviewing where his career stands at present – and whether, heading into the future, it should include his acclaimed American trainer, Freddie Roach.
Five-time Trainer of the Year Roach, 52, has been working with Khan since 2009 and is regarded by many as the pivotal figure in the Englishman’s rise to the top of the 140-pound division.
Yet successive setbacks for the 25-year-old in the last seven months – on points to Lamont Peterson in December and a shocking fourth-round KO by Danny Garcia last weekend – inevitably raise questions.
How is the partnership working? Is it still producing the desired dividends? And, perhaps most importantly of all, is it time Khan stepped from the large shadow of the No. 1 fighter in Roach’s Wild Card Boxing Club, Manny Pacquiao?
These are all matters to be deliberated by Khan and his close-knit circle of advisors in the coming days, with the former IBF and WBA titleholder promising a decisive decision in the next fortnight.
It is not a one-way street, however. There is nothing underhanded going on and there is no rift between boxer and coach. The last thing Khan did before leaving America was discuss the situation with Roach – and throw a few points into the ring for him to ponder too.
And, before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusion, nobody from Team Khan, least of all of Khan himself, is apportioning any blame on Roach for the way undefeated Garcia, THE RING’s new junior welterweight champ and unified WBC and WBA titleholder, comprehensively battered the Bolton boy into submission.
“Freddie is a great trainer, and I am taking the whole blame. It was in my own hands, and it was my fault, “ said Khan (26-3,18 knockouts) . “There are a few things that we should not have done in training camp and could have done differently. But that’s just me and Freddie, and we will sit down together and talk through it.
“But, as I said, I am the one who was in the ring, I was the one who made the mistake, and I’m not blaming anyone. My team did a great job outside the boxing ring. It was me in there, I’m not pointing the finger.
“The last few days have been very tough and it is probably the biggest low of my career. We know what mistakes we made. Now it’s about going back to the drawing board, sitting down with my team, seeing where it went wrong and how we can improve ourselves, so that come next time, and hopefully when we get the rematch, we can clean up.”
Khan, talking live on Sky Sports News, then explained why he is re-evaluating his position within Roach’s prestigious set-up.
“At the moment I’m happy with Freddie, but there are a few things I want to change,” he said. “I am going to speak to my team about it and how they feel. It will be in the next one or two weeks. It’s not something I’m going to jump into. I’m going to take my time, maybe watch the fight back a few more times, see where I went wrong and if Freddie can improve my performance.
“It’s a crucial point of my career and I need to pick the right person. If I am going to be with another trainer, though, I need to be sure he can take me to where I want to be and stop me making mistakes.
“One of the big things we need to solve is being away from home for such a long time. This last camp lasted five months because, after the Peterson fight got called off, we had to look for another fight and then do another two months before Garcia . That’s a long time to spend away from home, away from your family and friends.
“I am also the No. 2 ( in the gym). I am not taking anything away from Manny Pacquiao because he is a great fighter and, as pound-for-pound No. 1, he deserves to be No. 1 ( with Freddie). But me travelling to the Philippines and back and to L.A. and back – these are long flights and take a lot out of a 25-year-old.
“I had a short chat with Freddie about it before I left L.A., and he understood exactly where I was coming from. He said he’d like a few more days to think about things and then get back to me. “
Whatever happens in that respect, Khan is looking to return to the ring before the end of 2012, which puts all talk of him quitting to rest.
“My future is still in boxing, my heart is still in boxing. I will come back and my next fight will be in December this year," he said. “When I hear people saying I should retire, it makes me laugh. I am only 25. I won Olympic silver when I was 17, I become a young world champion at 22 and then unified the division at 23 and 24. I have done everything so young. People forget my age.
“I’ve still got the best years ahead of me. This is only a little blip, a little fall in my career and I am going to come back stronger and not make the same mistakes.”

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rudee
07-20-2012, 02:35 PM
I would try a new trainer... he is definitely at the crossroads of his career... he would probably be better off fighting in
Europe... they are hungry for top notch fighters.
He does have to remember,, a different trainer will do nothing for his fragile jaw. He would have to teach him to box
and move for 10 or 12 rounds.. not to get hit... but he would have to have the stamina to do it for the full fight.
Most boxers do not have that kind of stamina. Hence they eventually get tagged.
Khan took a nasty beating, doubt he will ever get back to his glory day status.

Fibroso
07-20-2012, 06:16 PM
I would try a new trainer... he is definitely at the crossroads of his career... he would probably be better off fighting in
Europe... they are hungry for top notch fighters.
He does have to remember,, a different trainer will do nothing for his fragile jaw. He would have to teach him to box
and move for 10 or 12 rounds.. not to get hit... but he would have to have the stamina to do it for the full fight.
Most boxers do not have that kind of stamina. Hence they eventually get tagged.
Khan took a nasty beating, doubt he will ever get back to his glory day status.
This photo shows what really happened to Khan. The blow just pushed his jaw out the other side of the face. No wonder his legs were gone. I agree his career is in jeopardy every opponent will go after the lower part of his neck to try for a ko. Like Yoda would say, without a chin no future will any boxer would have. Getting tagged once more his future will be. Did you check the shoulder and upper arms the kid displayed in the execution of the killer blow? Awesome.....

aquariusone
07-20-2012, 07:25 PM
His loss to Prescott, Peterson, and now Garcia plus his battle with Marcos Maidana shows Khan's guts and determination. Dan Rafael considers Khan to be a plus for boxing because of his speed and fighting spirit. His boxing personality and performance in the ring is most exciting ALTHOUGH it had caused him his three losses. He reminds me a bit about the late Arturo Gatti who never feared getting hit as he came to the attack relentlessly, sometime even with wild-abandon-all-hell breaks lose kind of style.

What has Emmanuel Steward brought to the Klitschko? Excellent defense! But in terms of "level of excitement" and action, the "technically sound and skillful" Vladimir and Vitali are far from producing great excitement in the ring, unlike the Joe Fraziers, or the Mike Tysons, or the young Cassius Clay.

Any boxer that gets hit with a "haymaker" is bound to go down, except for a few with "incredible chin" as they may be described. Ricky Hatton was once considered a tough cookie with a great chin but like Khan, he abandoned all against Pacquiao, and went down in one of the greatest KO's of all time in the 2nd round. Why? He was on the attack when it happened. The same thing with Vic Darchinyan. These were all exciting boxers who, like Mike Tyson, are constantly on the attack. WHEN IN THE RING, it is like watching the lions and the Roman gladiators.

Khan is good for boxing. He is young at 25. This is not the end of his career. It is a small glitz. Steward or some other trainer could shape him to "learn defense techniques" (like Cobra infers) but if they transform him into a mechanical and technical boxer, he may win his matches but the "boxing entertainment factor" could end.

What he needs is "autogenics conditioning" and a more intelligent approach to his offense; keeping clear perspective of pre-fight plans and executing them flawlessly as opposed to going full throttle all the time.

Pacquiao was like Khan during his formative years but Roach honed his attack/defense/lateral movements to near perfection. That is why he has avoided getting caught with haymakers!

TLG
07-20-2012, 07:32 PM
ouch !!! that looks painfull !

the guy needs a new trainer ,, who will teach him amongst other things ,, patients

a boxer needs to train for 12 rounds of boxing and be patient enough to read and wait for the openings to go in for the KO
Kahn fought like a guy who wanted the fight finished before it got started and that's why he got his bell rang ...

he got too confident after the first 2 rounds and then showed his in-experience and immaturity in the 3rd when he dropped
his guard ...

live and learn

rokko
07-20-2012, 10:04 PM
this photo does show what happened--he was hit in the back of his head and neck==a lucky shot--khans own fault for not clinching like he was told--when you get hit on the back of the neck you lose control of your nervous system--a good job by the kid to follow up and finish him

Fibroso
07-20-2012, 11:14 PM
this photo does show what happened--he was hit in the back of his head and neck==a lucky shot--khans own fault for not clinching like he was told--when you get hit on the back of the neck you lose control of your nervous system--a good job by the kid to follow up and finish him
A punch that forces you jaw socket out on the other side of the head is not on the back of the head. The punch covered the the back of the jaw,lower part of the ear and lower side of the neck. Bayless was there and he saw it, no foul was called when Khan got put on his @ss. The only foul I saw there was Amir using his elbows. He was bound to lose this fight the kid was countering all his punches and getting hot as he done it. Khan needs to fight Matthysse, if he gets through him, which I doubt, then he should keep boxing.

rokko
07-21-2012, 02:48 AM
Steward Praises Khan, Offers Some Advise To Rebuild

This past Saturday night in Las Vegas, there was high drama in the air as bold challenger Danny Garcia pulled off his biggest win as a professional in stopping British star Amir Khan inside of four rounds. A cracking counter left from Garcia would level Khan in the third, with referee Kenny Bayless waving the fight off in the fourth after seeing Amir suffer two more knockdowns.

There was no one who had a better view of the action than HBO color analyst and respected trainer Emanuel Steward, who was ringside inside of the Mandalay Bay Events Center calling the action. Sharing his take on the fight with me recently, Steward revealed that he could see Garcia making adjustments early despite Khan’s strong showing in the opening rounds.

“I thought that Danny, after the first round, he was getting hit with those right hands, he started to take the right hands away from Amir,” Steward stated. “After that, the fight was still, with Amir’s speed and intensity, he was still winning the fight. But Danny just fights the way that Danny always fights; consistent, always right there. Much like he did in the amateurs. Never impressive but steadily winning tournaments.”

The left hook that Garcia leveled Khan with caught him a little bit on his neck and seemed to throw off his equilibrium, as he was clearly on shaky legs after rising. A respectful Steward pointed out that it wasn’t necessarily as much as what Khan did incorrectly as opposed to the former champion simply paying the price for putting his neck on the line.

“I thought that, when Amir got caught, it was nothing that he did wrong,” Steward added. “He didn’t do anything wrong. He was just in the middle of an exchange and Garcia caught him with a shot. From that point on, he did a great job of finishing him, because he never got overexcited and started throwing wild punches. He placed his punches very carefully.”

And even though this setback may look disastrous on the surface, Steward stayed classy while giving Khan his respect.

“I give Amir Khan a lot of credit, being hurt the way he was, he still gave us almost a total of three or four minutes of Gatti-Ward action,” Steward said. “He was fighting the best he could, even though he didn’t have control of his coordination. He was groggy but he still knew what was going on. He was still fighting. He fought all the way through that round and came back the next round and still fought his *ss off again until he was finally stopped. I give him a lot of credit and a whole lot of credit for Garcia being consistent.”

Still only 25 years old, the Garcia fight marks Khan’s third loss as a professional, as he dropped a split-decision to Lamont Peterson this past December while being halting in harrowing fashion by Breidis Prescott in September of 2008. There is an extreme uncertainty as to what the future holds for Khan and at this point it can be hard to see all of the positives that he still has going for himself.

Steward wants to see Khan again but also suggests that he take some time off.

“Everybody in boxing for the most part is writing him off, saying he should quit,” Steward pointed out. “The fact that he’s been hurt so many times this early in his career, I guess this is about the fourth or fifth time now, I think he should take the time off. I think he should fight again. Unlike everyone else said, I didn’t see a weak chin, he just got caught. This just happens. Anytime you’ve got guys exchanging, it happens.”

Well-versed in fine-tuning several world-class fighters in his day, there are some deficiencies that Steward would change if he was handling Khan.

“He’s got to work on one particular punch. Every time I visualize him, I always see him getting hit with clubbing right hands and his body swaying off to the right. Whether it was Lamont Peterson or Maidana or in this fight, even though he was hurt initially with a left look. He needs to work on his boxing and work on building up a defense for right hands. And just settle down; I still think he’s a very good fighter,” stated Steward.

el chido
07-21-2012, 03:14 AM
Rebuilding Definitely Means changing Trainers!
Cucaracho didn't know what to say to Khan after the Exchange!..and If You look closely, aside what Lampley says on the video, Fibroso is right and the actual hit was just underneath the ear, on the upper part of the jaw, This angle of the picture above, which I hadn't seen before, gives a rough idea where the punch landed, but If you slow down the video, at the ref's angle, You'll see clearly that there was no foul...

Khan Got a lot of Planning ahead!.....


http://youtu.be/uxAqp32sWVA

rudee
07-21-2012, 04:40 AM
Needs to take time off... change trainers,,, cuz this one is not working for him... no matter whose fault
it is... MLB, NFL, NBA change managers and coaches.
Also,,, rebuild some confidence,,, fight in Europe, Asia, Australia... fight the local boys there..
Relight the career... don't fight the big boys so fast. Khan is young, can take his time coming back.
He is a very good boxer, puncher... takes too many chances with such a fragile chin.

Fibroso
07-21-2012, 11:47 AM
Amir Khan & Victor Ortiz: A Tale of Two Incomplete Fighters; Fan ViewBy Paul Magno | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Fri, Jul 20, 2012 5:57 AM EDT




The upset losses were three weeks apart and under different circumstances, but they happened for, basically, the same reason and to two fighters who have a lot in common.

On June 23, Victor Ortiz had his jaw fractured by Josesito Lopez and was forced into quitting between rounds nine and ten. On July 14, Amir Khan was fighting hard until a wide left hook in the third from Danny Garcia dropped him and eventually led to his TKO loss in the following round.

In both fights, the favorite was winning the contest, enjoying the benefits of having a physical advantage, until the underdog came on and permanently turned the tide.

For Victor Ortiz, his physical strength and athleticism was impressive and, at times, he looked like a tank bearing down on the naturally smaller Lopez. But the brute strength and speed couldn't hide his defensive liabilities and Lopez was taking full advantage with the flush shots he was able to land between Ortiz's offensive surges.

In the case of Amir Khan, the talented British star came out fast and fierce, using full advantage of his elite-level hand speed to try and overpower the underdog, Garcia. He was doing well enough, but in the rush to send his opponent into the third row, he left his vulnerable chin unprotected and it cost him the fight.

The tie-in with Ortiz and Khan is the fact that both, despite having three world titles between them and several marquee bouts on their resumes, are incomplete fighters at heart. They have achieved a lot from pure athleticism, but will always be susceptible to upsets because of the fatal flaws in their game.

Both lose their focus in a firefight and have yet to master the art of defensive fighting. Combine the two flaws and what you have is an upset special whenever either one comes across a fighter tough enough to withstand an early barrage.

Apparently, Ortiz and Khan have one more thing in common as both seem on the verge of changing their trainers in the wake of a big loss. Ortiz may be parting ways with long-time trainer, Danny Garcia and Khan has been rumored to consider an axing of Freddie Roach.

But whether they fire their trainers or not, Khan and Ortiz are forever destined to be going through these ups and downs of all-too-regular upsets until they address their fundamental flaws.