Success with a Dish Pro LNBF without OCS-DP Setting

[EwwNoHue]

Has anyone here successfully connected a Dish Pro (DP) LNBF to a receiver that doesn't have an OCS-DP setting (e.g. Openbox S10)? Any tricks or workarounds?

I have the DP LNBF's that come standard with a Dish 500+, and I would like to know with certainty that they are incompatible with my receiver before I shell out some cash for new non-DP circular LNB's.

For reference, here are images and information about my current DP LNBF's and the prospective LNBF that I might have to buy:


http://www.shop4fta.com/dish-500-plus.php

http://www.amazon.com/DSS922-Dual-LNBF-118-7-Satellite/dp/B001Q4DRR2/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Ultimately, my goal is to view DN satellites 119, 118.7, and/or 110 with my Openbox S10, and I would prefer to do it with the equipment I already own.

Thanks to anyone who reads this. I'd be very grateful for your advise.

P.S. If you are interested in my other threads related to my current pursuit, check these links:
http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?115679-Setup-S10-with-DN
http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?115920-Success-with-a-Dish-Pro-LNBF-and-Openbox-receiver

[nixon_r]

There might be a way but first I have to know if the Openbox S10 will detect vertical transponders with the LNB set to standard or single?

[EwwNoHue]

Great, I will test it out and let you know.

But first, could you clarify a few things for me:

Which LNB do you want me to use (a Dish Pro or a regular Universal one)?

If it's the former, I did attempt connecting the DP Dual LNBF (not the FSS/DBS Dual Band LNBF for 118.7 & 119) directly to my Openbox S10. The signal strength seemed to be stuck at 45% irrelevant to the direction of the antenna. Note that 45% (and 36%, depending on the LNB frequency setting value) is the same value that is present even if no LNB is hooked up to the receiver. This seems to indicate that the LNB is not detected by my receiver.

Do you want me to point at DN satellites 110 or 119 (or is something like Galaxy 19 okay)?

In case it's helpful to you, here are all the settings in the Openbox S10 "Antenna Setup" menu:

Satellite: (110, 119, or 118.75?)
LNB Frequency: 3620, 5150, 5750, 5950, 9750, 10000, 10050, 10450, 10600, 10700, 10750, 11050, 11200, 11250, 11300, 11690, 5150-5750, 5750-5150, Universal (9750-10550), Universal (9750-10600), Universal (9750-10700), or Universal (9750-10750)
Transponder: (Frequency, Symbol Rate, and Polarity?)
DiSEqC 1.0: Disable, Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, or Port 4
DiSEqC 1.1: Disable, 1 Cascade M1: Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, Port 4, 1 Cascade M2: Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, Port 4, 1 Cascade M3: Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, Port 4, 2 Cascades: Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, Port 4, Port 5, Port 6, Port 7, Port 8, Port 9, Port 10, Port 11, Port 12, Port 13, Port 14, Port 15, or Port 16
22K: Off or On

[Terryl]

IS there a setting anywhere for "LNB type"?

Like "Standard" "Legacy" "Universal" "Dish" or "Dish Pro" ?

[EwwNoHue]

IS there a setting anywhere for "LNB type"?

Like "Standard" "Legacy" "Universal" "Dish" or "Dish Pro" ?

No, I'm afraid there isn't.

However, within the "LNB Frequency" setting, there are three types of values:

Single frequencies (e.g. 3620, 5150, 5750, 5950, 9750, 10000, 10050, 10450, 10600, 10700, 10750, 11050, 11200, 11250, 11300, and 11690)
Frequency ranges (e.g. 5150-5750 and 5750-5150)
Frequences ranges prefixed with "Universal" (e.g. Universal (9750-10550), Universal (9750-10600), Universal (9750-10700), and Universal (9750-10750))

Is that of any help? I'm sorry if there's something obvious that I'm not getting here.

[Terryl]

WOW I just looked at the manual for that receiver, if you cant select the correct LNB type for a Dish band-stacked LNB (newer DP or DPP logo) then I don't think you can use that type of LNB on this receiver.

The DP band-stacked LNB uses two bands* to send the transponders down the coax, one band at normal LNB IF frequency's and the other 500 MHz above the first, without the proper way for the receiver to know where to look you will only get half the transponders from the lower or standard band.

*900 MHz to 1450 MHz for one set of transponders, and 1950 to 2140 for the other set of transponders.

Your only choice would be to use some legacy LNBs that use the +13 and +18 volt switching for the transponders, then an old SW21, SW34 or SW44 switch would be needed.


This is something that Open Box needs to address with a factory software update, or may be they can't due to the propitiatory use of Dish equipment for Dish receivers only, as this box was designed for FTA satellites in the linear LNB range.

[Terryl]

Have you tried this software update?

http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?77658-new-firmware-openbox-s10-skybox-s10-2011-09-14

[EwwNoHue]

Have you tried this software update?

http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?77658-new-firmware-openbox-s10-skybox-s10-2011-09-14

No, not that particular one. But I believe my software is up to date. I have one released Aug.1, 2012 (http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?115331-latest-anonymousx).

Now that I've checked, there is actually a newer software released Aug.11, 2012. (http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?115730-Openbox-s9-s10-s11-s12-Updated-file-8-11-12)

I will try that as well as the one you linked to, and report back here.

[nixon_r]

If you could try a DP lLNB directly connected to 119 or 110 with LNB freq set to 11250 and I would like to know if you can detect all the vertical transponders, if you can pickup the vertical transponders you might be able to convert the horizontal to their equivalent vertical values.

[EwwNoHue]

Have you tried this software update?

http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?77658-new-firmware-openbox-s10-skybox-s10-2011-09-14

Okay, I tested various software versions, but none of them added an "LNB Type" setting or similar function.


If you could try a DP lLNB directly connected to 119 or 110 with LNB freq set to 11250 and I would like to know if you can detect all the vertical transponders, if you can pickup the vertical transponders you might be able to convert the horizontal to their equivalent vertical values.

I have attempted to do this already:

I did attempt connecting the DP Dual LNBF (not the FSS/DBS Dual Band LNBF for 118.7 & 119) directly to my Openbox S10. The signal strength seemed to be stuck at 45% irrelevant to the direction of the antenna. Note that 45% (and 36%, depending on the LNB frequency setting value) is the same value that is present even if no LNB is hooked up to the receiver. This seems to indicate that the LNB is not detected by my receiver.
I couldn't connect to 119 or 110, as the signal intensity meter on the receiver gave no indication that an LNB was even attached. Yes, I tried with "LNB Frequency" set to "11250" (as well as all other possible values).

I also checked the signal intensity for all the transponders on 110 and 119 (I had a satellite list on the receiver with all the satellites and transponders information preprogrammed) with no luck.

[Terryl]

Well then until OpenBox address this problem in their software your stuck using a "Standard" LNB from someone else.

Be sure it is rated from 12.2 to 12.7 GHz, is a circular polarized LNB, and has an LO of 11250.