Nex users beware

[Sp0iler]

Nex users beware.....

See the papers below.

Good luck,
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[justincase]

so they rolled hey obviously thats sad alot of letters coming it could have been prevented

[Limon]

How do you deduce they "rolled". From what I read most was obtained by court order !!

[JCO]

Look at the proposed settlement amount.. its not much...

[Limon]

I still think "rolled" is a strong statement, they had all the info they needed before they went to court. Most probably agreed not to get involved again.

PS you can only get so much blood out of a stone
PPS any letters will be info obtained from PAYPAL, the IKS peeps would not have that information.

[JCO]

You didnt read the document then, turn over the server, their PC,s...... Cant you read between the lines??

[Limon]

Server will have username, passwords, possibly last IP number and PayPal info if they were sloppy. Nothing there to give them my name and address.

[justincase]

How do you deduce they "rolled". From what I read most was obtained by court order !!
dont be so silly they plea bargained and you can bet they got alot more money coming than the 5900

[JCO]

5900 in lawyers fees and 115K in setlement.. Very low numbers comarpared to other documents from similar court cases..

[Limon]

From the 2nd pdf


Defendants have been aware of this lawsuit for approximately five months
and their failure to respond is not the product of excusable neglect. Thus, the sixth
Eitel factor supports entry of default judgment against Defendants, because of their
willful disobedience in failing to respond to this lawsuit.

[alex70olds]

From the 2nd pdf

From the third, which should have been listed first.


This motion is made following the conference of Plaintiffs’ counsel with
Defendants Iram Jordy Bolanos, Eric Moreno Bolanos, Yolanda Bolanos, and Joel
Alvarado Lizama, all d/b/a .nexiks. and .nexiks., pursuant to L.R.
7-3 which took place on September 24, 2012.

Hello? Pretty obvious what happened. Hope they were not sharing the server with others.

[Recove52]

It,s not a good thing for any and all concerned a seperate server should have been used for donation purpose,s and a seperate server for there forums and a third to run there card share...at any given time one or all servers could have been purged..seems a lot of peeps got there nuts in a vice...

[justincase]

It,s not a good thing for any and all concerned a seperate server should have been used for donation purpose,s and a seperate server for there forums and a third to run there card share...at any given time one or all servers could have been purged..seems a lot of peeps got there nuts in a vice...ya alot -did you see all those names/what was it ?? pages worth/paypunk is an ass company that your trusting with your banking info,looks like they work hand in hand with dn

[Sp0iler]

PayPal does work with the DOJ.... When the court says "turn over the paperwork" , they do.
Finger pointing should be at those foolish enough to use PayPal to purchase an illegal service.
I feel bad for all involved but a bit of CYA is always needed in this business.

JMO thanks,
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[fifties]

Server will have username, passwords, possibly last IP number and PayPal info if they were sloppy. Nothing there to give them my name and address.
If you paid via PayPal they have the goods on you. Didn't you see the list of customer names in the first link?


5900 in lawyers fees and 115K in setlement.. Very low numbers comarpared to other documents from similar court cases..
Yes, and that's curious.

When they received multi-million dollar judgments in the past, they really didn't collect on them, but simply used their existence as a lever hanging over the defendant to ensure he/she didn't engage in signal theft in the future.

If their intention is to actually proceed to try and collect, it could prove uncomfortable for these folks. Wage garnishment is usually the first place a judgment creditor will look for, and that can be 25% of a persons pay.

[surfinisfun]

If you paid via PayPal they have the goods on you. Didn't you see the list of customer names in the first link?


Yes, and that's curious.

When they received multi-million dollar judgments in the past, they really didn't collect on them, but simply used their existence as a lever hanging over the defendant to ensure he/she didn't engage in signal theft in the future.

If their intention is to actually proceed to try and collect, it could prove uncomfortable for these folks. Wage garnishment is usually the first place a judgment creditor will look for, and that can be 25% of a persons pay.

Much respect my friend but if you think dn can actually use this info legally to garnish wages i would disagree.

If thats made possible thru the courts NA may as well be China.

[Limon]

If you paid via PayPal they have the goods on you. Didn't you see the list of customer names in the first link?




I never used them, so my name will not be there. I was just making the point that nothing on their servers could give up names and addresses, That had to come from PayPal..... and they had all that information when they went banging on the door of NEXIKS, so I dont believe anyone "rolled" there.

Now when NEXIKS saw they had the goods on them, then I don't blame them trying to do a deal, that wud have been more directed at the seeders, not the end user.

[fifties]

Much respect my friend but if you think dn can actually use this info legally to garnish wages i would disagree.

If thats made possible thru the courts NA may as well be China.
DN can use the evidence as the basis of a civil lawsuit against the individuals.

Assuming DN prevails in court, they will be given a judgment against the defendant.

This judgment gives them the right to give the marshal an order to seize certain assets from the judgment debtor, with the usual route being to garnish their wages, once they have determined where their employment it.

That can be obtained from what's called an ORAP (Order of Appearance of a judgment debtor).

That's how it works...Been there (as plaintiff), done that. No fun for either party, but decidedly less so for the debtor.

[bulldog64]

So nex only had 115 subbbers or that's just the ones who used PP?And why list their names these people could take measures to see that they are not found? JMO

[dishuser]

So nex only had 115 subbbers or that's just the ones who used PP?And why list their names these people could take measures to see that they are not found? JMO

why list their names?
those are documents
there's no hiding now....xxx

[justincase]

didnt a former mod here run that server

[surfinisfun]

didnt a former mod here run that server

Run that server.lol.......No.

[justincase]

Run that server.lol.......No.
not sure why the lol could have sworn bpg was a mod here

[dishuser]

not sure why the lol could have sworn bpg was a mod hereso?
and your point?
cause the other ones you have made have been wrong...lol

[justincase]

so?
and your point?
cause the other ones you have made have been wrong...lolok thanx just making conversation and trying to protect myself

[buzzie]

Think Nex could of done a lot more to protect themselfs and there clients. If you run different servers you can purge records and I think they could of done more on there paypal side by trying to purge there history from paypal. I think that it can be done by closing your paypal account and reopening again. Closing of account will permanently loose all the recent history logs.Removing clients information.This is good if it's a one time donation and not a recurring.

[Tenacious]

Think Nex could of done a lot more to protect themselfs and there clients. If you run different servers you can purge records and I think they could of done more on there paypal side by trying to purge there history from paypal. I think that it can be done by closing your paypal account and reopening again. Closing of account will permanently loose all the recent history logs.Removing clients information.This is good if it's a one time donation and not a recurring.

that is interesting if paypal don't have history once you closed your account. Then how they find out if you use the same Card or bank account that this is used before. Like to know more confirmation / thoughts about this.

[yappapi]

Think Nex could of done a lot more to protect themselfs and there clients. If you run different servers you can purge records and I think they could of done more on there paypal side by trying to purge there history from paypal. I think that it can be done by closing your paypal account and reopening again. Closing of account will permanently loose all the recent history logs.Removing clients information.This is good if it's a one time donation and not a recurring.

i think your wrong.
i also think pp keeps records till end of earth's time whether account is open or closed.

[fifties]

I think they could of done more on there paypal side by trying to purge there history from paypal. I think that it can be done by closing your paypal account and reopening again. Closing of account will permanently loose all the recent history logs.Removing clients information.
Wrong.

The government requires individuals to maintain financial records for 7 years. You think it's any less for businesses? And it wouldn't matter when or if an account closed with a customer.

[Chief31]

That sucks glad I didn't buy there service

[harescrambleracer]

Why was they running an IKS server in Fontana Ca. Did they think they could do this.. Really.... You can easily find this crew on facebook..

[geosat]

That sucks glad I didn't buy there service

I think there were many more who used their Trials.

[alandcin]

so?
and your point?
cause the other ones you have made have been wrong...lol

justincase, dishuser was a mod @ nexiks home site , that's why u got a smart answer from him...

[ftaalltheway]

PayPal does work with the DOJ.... When the court says "turn over the paperwork" , they do.
Finger pointing should be at those foolish enough to use PayPal to purchase an illegal service.
I feel bad for all involved but a bit of CYA is always needed in this business.

JMO thanks,
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pritty hard to avoid using PP since most sellers

make this their "only" option to pay...and then starts the whole

debate about the appropriate alternatives,,, its getting very close to

pushing this hobby underground since any type payment

can be a paper trail or make it/txns harder to hide these days

so,,, if all sellers can do do what lowcost did? we'd all have nothing like these

cases coming up at all so WHY demand PP after this and other examples we

all just experienced?? sure it would hurt business BUT arent WE (endusers)

the ones in a pickle, it shopuld be the IKS server owner taking THAT risk since HE is

the one raking in all the $$$$ ,,,enough so to put some asside for when that day they

come a knockin' ...seams these resellers or sellers dont worry about endusers much

who knows but a side note

there is one service for example,,, here,,, offering connection to their service and wouldnt you know it

they send you your info and use part of your "real" name (gotten from the paypal payment)

as your user id and pass...now i ask you, how can we (hobbiests) avoid these letters and such

if iks servers are being so blatant like this??? sheesh

cuz,,, it seams now more than ever,,,, they / dn will stop at nothing to close this hobby down,,,just a thought

[fifties]

pritty hard to avoid using PP since most sellers

make this their "only" option to pay...
Not hard at all.

One simply then uses a seller who doesn't require PP. Of course, that might require a little effort, but "nothing good comes easy", eh? ;)

[ftaalltheway]

Not hard at all.

One simply then uses a seller who doesn't require PP. Of course, that might require a little effort, but "nothing good comes easy", eh? ;)

i hear ya,,,i say "most" resellers but there would be slim pickin

if youy take PP off the table...and it would be in the best

interest of everyonel involved,,,all around to use an alternative method

ESP since this appears to be the ONLY way so far,,,as a back door way,,,

dn is nabbing end users with recent events,,using other methods to accept

payments should be no. 1 priority IF resellers care at all,,, i do

realize its a pain for them to run around with securing their funds,,,but why is it

endusers' accts are the ones accessed and NOT resellers'? of what we kow

so far,,,only one reseller was nabbed BUT was that by dn using PP in

innitial investigation? that is curious to some of us and there are so many resellers

out there...bottom line,,,this hobby was a whole lot more safer when guys like

nfps came around who started IKS2 and even way back then peeps all over were concerned about

paper trails, one site they used to sell through,,, we all know who,,, wasnt too

concerned,,,so long as the $$$$ rolled in,,, ;) and 2 yrs later? its all cut throat

in the worse way...i ask you, does it make sense for a server to use your paypal name to use

as your ID and Pass to connect to their servers? leaving aside PP for one min,,,

that in itself is troubling enough,,, you are ignored if you ask to have them changed,,,yet?

they are being bandied about as the best p$ to connect to,,,as far as no freezing and such

i mean people dont get it,,,security should be a 2 way street...servers should NEVER

use a peep's personal names for anything,,,period,,, slippery slope,,,just a thought

[BPG]

Bigpineguy did NOT run ANY server......NONE!

I was a supermod here, yes, I was a reseller, Yes.... and that's it.....

My understanding of things was that Nex got "popped" , he signed an agreement with dik , and then went home and got rid of the servers and computers before they were to be turned over.... I don't know what happened after that....I really don't ...

and For The Record, I got visited by dik's "Men in black" , but didn't give them or tell them chit ....

I did not own, nor run any server....

bottom line is , be careful who you trust.....even if you think they are your friends....

BPG~

[DarkMatters]

Your Trust has never been questioned by me and never will be my friend.

People who do question BPG's trust needs their head examined throughly...

Just a Random Thought

[cheff]

So would this mean end users would be ok ? Is the fact that they just bought the service illegal?

[BPG]

So would this mean end users would be ok ? Is the fact that they just bought the service illegal?

Honestly , I doubt it..... although I didn't give them any info, doesn't mean chit..... they can request the paypal records from the courts....and you all know that paypal will comply ....

Not to mention that it's been rumored many times that there was a "Rat" among the Nexiks/Newgen groups ...... Time will only tell who/whom those ppl are .....

I only know that it was Not me, Is Not me .... I hope that anyone that went through me doesn't hear a word .......but I can't promise anything.... I have no control over what the courts do .... I wish you well.....I really, and honestly do ....


BPG~

[surfinisfun]

Honestly , I doubt it..... although I didn't give them any info, doesn't mean chit..... they can request the paypal records from the courts....and you all know that paypal will comply ....

Not to mention that it's been rumored many times that there was a "Rat" among the Nexiks/Newgen groups ...... Time will only tell who/whom those ppl are .....

I only know that it was Not me, Is Not me .... I hope that anyone that went through me doesn't hear a word .......but I can't promise anything.... I have no control over what the courts do .... I wish you well.....I really, and honestly do ....


BPG~

The only thing we have control of is our own actions,

Thanks BPG, you have my respect as a stand up dude and i hope all is okay on your end.

On a side note, members with info on the cheese sniffer,we'd love to here from you.....

[dishuser]

The only thing we have control of is our own actions,

Thanks BPG, you have my respect as a stand up dude and i hope all is okay on your end.

On a side note, members with info on the cheese sniffer,we'd love to here from you.....
it was already given

[surfinisfun]

it was already given

If you're talking about my cheese sniffer request I'd welcome a pm.

[Just_angel]

If you're talking about my cheese sniffer request I'd welcome a pm.

i think its been said many times out in the forums someplace

[cheff]

Nex users beware.
These boys ain't playing anymore!!!!


California Federal Court Orders Impoundment of NexIKS websites, computer servers and business records, awards judgment in DISH Network and NagraStar’s favor for $115,000.00, and enters permanent injunction against Defendants
On November 21, 2012 the United States District Court for the Central District of California granted DISH Network and NagraStar’s motion for final judgment against Iram Jordy Bolanos, Eric Moreno Bolanos, Yolanda Bolanos and Joel Alvarado Lizama, individually and dba Defendants was sued by DISH Network and NagraStar for federal claims arising out of their operation of the NexIKS websites. The Court’s order includes a permanent injunction against all Defendants as well as an award of $115,000 in statutory damages ($1,000 per violation) under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”), an additional $5,900 in fees/costs, and orders Verisign and GoDaddy to force the impoundment of the nexiks websites and transfer them to NagraStar. The Court further ordered Defendants’ computers, servers and business records impounded and turned over to NagraStar for analysis. DISH Network and NagraStar continue to investigate and take action against those responsible for trying to circumvent the companies’ security system in order to gain unauthorized access to DISH Network programming

[dishuser]

why post live links to a site that was seized?