Paying for IKS subscriptions

[clarkBENT]

As has been demonstrated time and time again, PayPal is that dirty piece of evidence that leads DISH right back to your front door steps. Even in the latest NEXIKS take down, the majority of the...

[ELMASCHINGON]

thank you for the work you put into it.. and to let the members know.

[tessa8940]

I do not buy the paypal argument. Dish could not look into any account with-out some proof or subpoena. If paypal would do it freely they would be liable to a huge class action.

[yappapi]

I do not buy the paypal argument. Dish could not look into any account with-out some proof or subpoena. If paypal would do it freely they would be liable to a huge class action.

this is not a PP discussion.
you are off topic.

[surfinisfun]

this is not a PP discussion.
you are off topic.

Indirectly it is a pp topic with the recent legal postings.

If thats off topic.......I find it comical, I've seen and still do see hijacks not even close, mostly gone by comic material go on and on.

No....I would say its pretty damn close to on topic.

[yappapi]

damn man,
if thats the way you see it then this thread will end up being one of the many PP bla bla bla threads.
there's many PP threads to beat on.
i thought this would be an alternative/safer method of payment thread.
whatever then.............................................. ............................

[JCO]

I do not buy the paypal argument. Dish could not look into any account with-out some proof or subpoena. If paypal would do it freely they would be liable to a huge class action.

When DN pops a reseller they then supoena the paypall records.. Its in the court documents .. So its an very easy argument to buy since DN's Lawyers say thats where they got incriminating evidence..
Time to catch up on some reading of court documents.. The ones on Nexiks are quite revealing..

[dishuser]

damn man,
if thats the way you see it then this thread will end up being one of the many PP bla bla bla threads.
there's many PP threads to beat on.
i thought this would be an alternative/safer method of payment thread.
whatever then.............................................. ............................
read OP
is PP not mentioned?

[yappapi]

read OP
is PP not mentioned?

yes it is.

[dishuser]

yes it is.

so what's the problem?
are we not allowed to discuss pros/cons here?

[jazzman]

Discuss all you want DU, we're all here to learn lol.

[yappapi]

the PP thing has been posted and beat to death.
some sellers and desperate buyers say its safe because they want the fast cash/tv veiwing.
people who have been sent letters/busted would say stay away from PP because its just icing on the cake.
just thought this thread may offer a few better/safer payment options from buyers/sellers instead of debating whether PP is safe or not.
the OP did mention PP being not so good to use and offered other methods.

(quote)
"As has been demonstrated time and time again, PayPal is that dirty piece of evidence that leads DISH right back to your front door steps. Even in the latest NEXIKS take down, the majority of the case presented to the court is in subpoenaed records from PayPal.

Instead, end users should be looking for ways to pay without having it link back to an email address, a bank account, a verified home address, or even an IP address."

that's just the way i seen this thread...not a debate about PP but about alternatives to PP.

[dishuser]

the PP thing has been posted and beat to death.
some sellers and desperate buyers say its safe because they want the fast cash/tv veiwing.
people who have been sent letters/busted would say stay away from PP because its just icing on the cake.
just thought this thread may offer a few better/safer payment options from buyers/sellers instead of debating whether PP is safe or not.
the OP did mention PP being not so good to use and offered other methods.

(quote)
"As has been demonstrated time and time again, PayPal is that dirty piece of evidence that leads DISH right back to your front door steps. Even in the latest NEXIKS take down, the majority of the case presented to the court is in subpoenaed records from PayPal.

Instead, end users should be looking for ways to pay without having it link back to an email address, a bank account, a verified home address, or even an IP address."

that's just the way i seen this thread...not a debate about PP but about alternatives to PP.
exactly
someone says it's the devil
someone disagrees
so you jump on them for it
carry on hitler and run this site the way you see fit

[clarkBENT]

Realistically, this thread can be for any payment method. If some feel like PayPal is still the way to go, then they can make their arguments. I believe there is quite a lot of evidence to the contrary. Once a court action has been filed, PayPal gets served with a subpoena and they basically hand over all pertinent financial, identity, banking, and address information over to DISH. There are other payment processors that would 1) ignore the subpoena because they are not bound by US laws 2) respond that they have nothing to turn over because they are an anonymous payment processor 3) be unable to be served because they are not a central body, but instead provided open source software to allow for peer-to-peer payments (as in the case of bitcoin).

Anyway, this thread is open for discussion, so... discuss away. What do you use? Why do you use it? Have you heard of others that you are curious about?

I for one want to hear from people that use Bitcoin.

[yappapi]

exactly
someone says it's the devil
someone disagrees
so you jump on them for it
carry on hitler and run this site the way you see fit

i'm the wrong color to do or be either but i still enjoy your post :)

[surfinisfun]

Sorry bud but you just demonstrated the importance of discussions revolving around what not to do.

One would be pp.

Time to move on, if your wrong about something......man up don't keep beating that horse.

Besides then you have the animal rights activates on your back.

Lets move on with helpful alternatives for members if they choose to play.

[dishuser]

i'm the wrong color to do or be either but i still enjoy your post :)

same colour as man who runs the site...lol

[clarkBENT]

Also, as an FYI

Green Dot MoneyPak

is not the same as

Green Dot Visa (Pre-Paid)


https://www.greendot.com/greendot

However, you can take money from a MoneyPak code and transfer that into your Green Dot Visa (with a $4.95 fee). All other reload methods link back to a bank account.


https://www.greendot.com/greendot/account/learn-how?from=landingpage

[JCO]

Realistically, this thread can be for any payment method. If some feel like PayPal is still the way to go, then they can make their arguments. I believe there is quite a lot of evidence to the contrary. Once a court action has been filed, PayPal gets served with a subpoena and they basically hand over all pertinent financial, identity, banking, and address information over to DISH. There are other payment processors that would 1) ignore the subpoena because they are not bound by US laws 2) respond that they have nothing to turn over because they are an anonymous payment processor 3) be unable to be served because they are not a central body, but instead provided open source software to allow for peer-to-peer payments (as in the case of bitcoin).

Anyway, this thread is open for discussion, so... discuss away. What do you use? Why do you use it? Have you heard of others that you are curious about?

I for one want to hear from people that use Bitcoin.


i'm the wrong color to do or be either but i still enjoy your post :)

The issue is discussing pros and cons of the payment options, not pulling rank or comparing colors.. Just for your information, rank and color are a handicap a lot of times.. It involves obligations, controling ones temper and putting out little misunderstandings before they become problematic.. I fondly remember my days as a VIP...
Now back to the topic at hand, pros and cons .. We have seen proof of the risks of PP for IKS payments.. Lets explore the other options. It could come in handy for those that use PS and want something more secure..
Knowledge is power..

[amorombre]

what about western-u??

[Jdread]

All the methods are getting risky these days, I am sticking to the Western Union as i can always use false address and fake names. A lot slower to receive codes but a lot safer.

[John-Drake]

PayPal will give law enforcement your name, address and contact info just for asking. A subpoena is only required to access your bank account and credit card information.

I don't know why people keep harping on this. PayPal makes it quite clear in their user agreement--if the cops come calling YOYO (You're On Your Own.) :)

Also, my understanding is that Green Dot now requires you to register with a valid Social Security Number. And Green Dot does not work outside the United States.... :(

[clarkBENT]

Green Dot MoneyPak is bought off the shelves, it is bought with cash and there is no ID info required. I cannot speak to the Visa card since I did no research on it.


PayPal will give law enforcement your name, address and contact info just for asking. A subpoena is only required to access your bank account and credit card information.

I don't know why people keep harping on this. PayPal makes it quite clear in their user agreement--if the cops come calling YOYO (You're On Your Own.) :)

Also, my understanding is that Green Dot now requires you to register with a valid Social Security Number. And Green Dot does not work outside the United States.... :(

[clarkBENT]

All the methods are getting risky these days, I am sticking to the Western Union as i can always use false address and fake names. A lot slower to receive codes but a lot safer.

Do the WU agents ask for your ID when you are sending money?

[ranger]

Thanks for the information clarkBENT , as you said so well there is too much information given to sellers thru PP and big tracks are given ... Thanks .....

[dishuser]

Do the WU agents ask for your ID when you are sending money?

not here they don't

[dunitagin]

WU asks for ID if the amount is over $1000 ...

and i think they ask for ID for receiving money ...


Has any reseller used google checkout?
Several Friends used them when they bought products from coolsatellite and very little info was asked for compared to PP, took any prepaid CC unlike PP and all that was needed was an e-mail addy for non shipping transactions and if i recall correctly, google does not hand out personal info to anyone that easily, unlike PP or Ebay for that matter

[ranger]

I do not know google checkout, need more info ... Never any more PP here though ....

[daryld]

I think this is the way to go.....add t's where necessary.....ok, it MIGHT be the way to go.....you never know....

hxxps://www.moneybookers.com/app/consumer.pl/

[amorombre]

by me wu asks for id ,even if its $20.00

[pugsycan]

Sorry do you remember the list of sat sites that where told to shut down or they would be in court You know where they got the info on all those sites (talk included)? google! they turned over the info in a heart beat
Has any reseller used google checkout?
Several Friends used them when they bought products from coolsatellite and very little info was asked for compared to PP, took any prepaid CC unlike PP and all that was needed was an e-mail addy for non shipping transactions and if i recall correctly, google does not hand out personal info to anyone that easily, unlike PP or Ebay for that matter

[John-Drake]

Green Dot MoneyPak is bought off the shelves, it is bought with cash and there is no ID info required.

From the MoneyPak Web site:


"PayPal requires you to provide your name, address, date of birth and Social Security Number in order for Green Dot to verify your identity before you can use the MoneyPak to add money to your PayPal account."



source: https://www.moneypak.com/FAQ.aspx

[ruthie]

All these are great suggestions...heres the problem a LOT of places are no longer supporting pre-paid cards/gift cards etc. as they know they can be set up with fake names etc....and to setup a account for buying is getting trickier and more info needed...for selling i have heard from people getting a account is near impossible without a MERCHANT account and they want everything for setting up that(i believe)...so soon it will be cash in the mail...lol...these places aren't stupid and know whats going on...its not a PP issue or anything its everywhere ....just what i have heard.....

[clarkBENT]

but you don't need to link it to your PayPal account in order to use it. you can use that money with other vendors (e.g. paying your DISH Network bill).


From the MoneyPak Web site:


"PayPal requires you to provide your name, address, date of birth and Social Security Number in order for Green Dot to verify your identity before you can use the MoneyPak to add money to your PayPal account."



source: https://www.moneypak.com/FAQ.aspx

[ranger]

I would Much rather send Cash that use Pay Pal, after finding All Pay Pal information about purchases in provider Lawyer Letters that will be used in Court.....

[jazmine]

I would Much rather send Cash that use Pay Pal, after finding All Pay Pal information about purchases in provider Lawyer Letters that will be used in Court..... Blank money orders are the way to go.:thumbsup:

[John-Drake]

but you don't need to link it to your PayPal account in order to use it. you can use that money with other vendors (e.g. paying your DISH Network bill).

But this thread is entitled "Paying for IKS subscriptions."

And how many IKS services accept MoneyPak? :)

[clarkBENT]

But this thread is entitled "Paying for IKS subscriptions."

And how many IKS services accept MoneyPak? :)

I know of at least one. Once other IKS Providers AND resellers learn of alternatives they might be inclined to give it a try. As the buyer you can offer to pay in a different way if they suggest a method you are uncomfortable with.

[crazy carl]

But this thread is entitled "Paying for IKS subscriptions."

And how many IKS services accept MoneyPak? :)

A lot do any that accept paypal should accept monkeypak as they are accessible through PayPal

[John-Drake]

A lot do any that accept paypal should accept monkeypak as they are accessible through PayPal

Except that PayPal requires a social security number and other I.D. to add a Green Dot MoneyPak to your PayPal account. That's why a prepaid credit card is a better option for use with PayPal...

[crazy carl]

Hmm well must work for those taking it as many that are out there are...or they just don't care

[clarkBENT]

Some resellers are turning to 3rd party middlemen companies that act as an intermediary between PayPal or the credit card companies. 2CO is based in the United States and I believe that they will be extremely cooperative when the authorities come knocking. The money trail still leads to your front door.

Click2Sell.eu on the other hand is based in Lithuania and are less likely to respond to a US company's demand for information. Ultimately, when push comes to shove and a subpoena for information is obtained, that money trail still leads to you.

Money orders in the mail are slick. Instruct the seller to send the "information" to a disposable email address (e.g. @mailinator.com). You do have to trust that the seller won't just pocket your money or say it never arrived.

[dishuser]

the best is a brown bag with money and a meeting behind the Walmart at night...lol

but wait ... even that is not safe ... the buyer might be a DN undercover...

oh well ... i guess the best thing is to stop buying and selling iks and get a legit sub ..:innocent:

you can use fake info with most WU outlets

[JohnDrake007]

Hmm well must work for those taking it as many that are out there are...or they just don't care

That's right, a lot of users just don't give a darn. Look at the legal documents that have been posted that are full of legit e-mail addresses and verified PayPal accounts.

For some people nearly-free TV is as addictive as crack, and they'll do anything to get it...

[donzo]

If you pay cash for a prepaid visa gift card, register the card under fictious name, use this card for funding on PP after you set
up a fictious e-mail and fictious PP account the only thing that can be tracked is IP address. No bank info or soc # needed!

[ranger]

Or you can find someone who will simply accept a green dot MoneyPak that requires no info and use It ..... (Now That's Safe)

[Fishbum]

If your in Canada you should be fine with Paypal... I'm one of them that should of gotten a letter from D*ck net..
but never did... They probably had all my info... not much they could do if I'm in Canuck land..

[lester]

If your in Canada you should be fine with Paypal... I'm one of them that should of gotten a letter from D*ck net..
but never did... They probably had all my info... not much they could do if I'm in Canuck land..

Ya I live there...and I'm thinking about a renewal. Maybe stuffing the brown bag and meeting behind Wallymart makes some sense after all. Maybe stuffing an envelope with xxxx bucks or so, slapping a stamp on it and mailing it. Might be worth the chance,. All the seller has to do is post his mailing address...or not...

[crazy carl]

Ya I live there...and I'm thinking about a renewal. Maybe stuffing the brown bag and meeting behind Wallymart makes some sense after all. Maybe stuffing an envelope with xxxx bucks or so, slapping a stamp on it and mailing it. Might be worth the chance,. All the seller has to do is post his mailing address...or not...

I found most of them already... who would have thought sesame street was real

[Transcon]

Hi,

I use WU without any ID, I create a bogus email account via hot mail or gmail from an internet cafe, I then retreive my donation info logging into my bogus email address from the same cafe.

That is extremely safe!!!

[yappapi]

Hi,

I use WU without any ID, I create a bogus email account via hot mail or gmail from an internet cafe, I then retreive my donation info logging into my bogus email address from the same cafe.

That is extremely safe!!!

in the US they require ID...you could get a fake ID i guess but where will it end?
free TV=acting like a criminal..lol

[ranger]

GreenDot Moneypak is the very best way period !!!!!

[juka]

Which services use GreenDot? Still loooking ...

[Ftageerbut]

bear in mind, to load moneypak on to Paypal, you have to provide personal info including SS# which paypal will verify. If someone will take moneypak number bypassing PayPal, you should be in good shape

[18dd2]

Green Dot MoneyPak is bought off the shelves, it is bought with cash and there is no ID info required. I cannot speak to the Visa card since I did no research on it.

I can vouch for this. That is exactly what I did. Greendot Moneypak works and hopefully there will be other options since the nfps fiasco.

[ftanewbie]

what about the pre pay visa cards....are does accepted by iks providers....hard to trace sense theirs no info about u on the card.

[SWN]

How bout if I put XX$ on a Money Pak. Send the seller the Money Pak number and tell him it has XX$ on it. He then adds that throwaway Money Pak card to his PayPal and transfers XX$ to his already setup PayPal. When he see's XX$ is in his Pay Pal account, he can deliver the product that you have negotiated. Sound correct?

[ftv]

If your in Canada you should be fine with Paypal... I'm one of them that should of gotten a letter from D*ck net..
but never did... They probably had all my info... not much they could do if I'm in Canuck land..

If you use prepaid card on PayPal without registration you will be OK no matter where you come from.:no:

[ELMASCHINGON]

Greenport Money pak is great option for a user who is looking to find a secured and anonymous way of payment for their donation codes in the USA.
I am sad to informe you that Pay pal is cracking down on seller or anybody who take payments from Green Dot MoneyPaks. So this method of payment will soon not be an option for seller. Check this announcement form Pay Pal below.


PayPal we regularly screen activity in our system. A recent review of activity on your PayPal Account indicates that you may have been informally accepting Green Dot MoneyPaks as a form of payment. The Green Dot MoneyPak was designed for the purpose of depositing cash in to your PayPal account for retail purchases, not informal payment acceptance. We ask that you discontinue using the Green Dot MoneyPak in this way. Continued use of the MoneyPak in this manner will lead to limitations on or closure of your PayPal Account.

[18dd2]

Greenport Money pak is great option for a user who is looking to find a secured and anonymous way of payment for their donation codes in the USA.
I am sad to informe you that Pay pal is cracking down on seller or anybody who take payments from Green Dot MoneyPaks. So this method of payment will soon not be an option for seller. Check this announcement form Pay Pal below.

Yep! I for one won't even entertain buying at PP anymore. But for the seller, they really need to do some intensive investigation on security for themselves and for the enduser or this is going to come to a halt in the not to distant future.

[billhiggs]

from what I can understand Canadians can not buy a moneypack, or at least I cant find a way/place to get one in Canada,

it sucks since the donation I want to make only accepts moneypak,

any ideas

[hellracer]

Not sure if that as been told aready but it is easy to open a paypal account with a vanilla MC card....YOu can be 100% anonymous if you are wise(Make sure to log in via VPN).

[ruthie]

BITCOINS !!


Heres one i have seen for a while and been checking it out....there will be fees on top of normal donations from peeps receiving donations as transfers are different but completely anonymous .....takes longer though but worth it i believe. Heres some links for peeps to do there homework and check it out.....

thanks



http://arimaa.com/bitcoin_get/
https://localbitcoins.com
http://coinmill.com/BTC_USD.html
http://bitcoinme.com

[Open Sky]

Just learned that most banks here in Canada won't issue money orders without ID anymore.

[Anubis]

Just learned that most banks here in Canada won't issue money orders without ID anymore.

They always have requested id. At least for the last 20 yrs I know of.
It is so they can make sure funds are going to intended person to track it.

[ftastudent2]

If you pay cash for a prepaid visa gift card, register the card under fictious name, use this card for funding on PP after you set
up a fictious e-mail and fictious PP account the only thing that can be tracked is IP address. No bank info or soc # needed!

It is even worse than that. Don't you think Charlie monitors forums like this. Capturing the IP's from the sender is easy. Monitoring the IP's of servers associated with this experimental hobby is also easy and the server IP's as well as ports are readily available on many forums. Capturing the IP's of the requester to the server is easy. Who the the ISP is information open to the public. This tells them approximately where you are. Proof that you are in regular and mostly in constant contact as the requester to the server is enough for your ISP to release your information. There is no other reason to be in regular and mostly constant contact with the server port that does not serve web pages other than to receive encryption codes. Capturing the packets you receive also is proof of your activity. I do not see any guaranteed safe way to study this experimental hobby so how you pay is not the threat for single users that I would be so single minded about. Sending cash will not make you invisible. Prepaid cards, fake names, nothing you can do will change this short of paying for a service that masks you IP. In closing if you want to be safe you would need to obtain an untraceable E-mail address and a few services for this do exist and then send cash to the provider providing them with that E-mail address. You could only communicate with your E-mail via a service that masks your IP as well as use this service for your box. This would make you as invisible as possible but even all this would not totally protect you if Charlie was willing to put enough resources on you; rest assured for you that do this that the return compared to the cost to catch you makes it not worthwhile doing from Charlies perspective. You are safe.

[tirolocop]

this is not a PP discussion.
you are off topic.

This is correct, what happen with wulf/satlobo was becouse HE SOLD his database not paypal

im tired to explain this to the users

theres international banking laws, that needs international aprovals for digging onto an pp account

if that where the case, ALL MEXICAN NARCO WILL BE POOR becouse of banking leaking information

[18dd2]

This is correct, what happen with wulf/satlobo was becouse HE SOLD his database not paypal

im tired to explain this to the users

theres international banking laws, that needs international aprovals for digging onto an pp account

if that where the case, ALL MEXICAN NARCO WILL BE POOR becouse of banking leaking information



Greendot Moneypak so far, is the safest and the easyist to use. Walk into the store and you could leave your wallet and ID in the car pay in $20 increment the amount you want to put on the card and it will cost you $4.95 for doing it. So say you want to put $40 on the card. If you walk into Walmart for example with your cash it will cost you $44.95 Quite a number of resellers are offering this now and have been if you ask. No need for the customer to hold a risky PayPal account.

[alex70olds]

This is correct, what happen with wulf/satlobo was becouse HE SOLD his database not paypal

im tired to explain this to the users

theres international banking laws, that needs international aprovals for digging onto an pp account

if that where the case, ALL MEXICAN NARCO WILL BE POOR becouse of banking leaking information

Not true.

PP gave up transaction history for nexiks, newgen, Razor etc etc. All the need is a subpoena, which US courts give quite frequently. Please dont mislead your US Clientele. Gracious.

[Anubis]

Not true.

PP gave up transaction history for nexiks, newgen, Razor etc etc. All the need is a subpoena, which US courts give quite frequently. Please dont mislead your US Clientele. Gracious.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were already filled out and just waiting for a signature and date at the rate things are going.:D

[ftanewbie]

if u analyze it all, is it really worth having this....have of the time your down or freezing...MY PPVs been down 2 days now....u pay for a service that does not work half the time....and u run the risk of the Justice Department coming after u....this hobby has is pure garbage.

90% con
10% pro

not worth it

[Anubis]

if u analyze it all, is it really worth having this....have of the time your down or freezing...MY PPVs been down 2 days now....u pay for a service that does not work half the time....and u run the risk of the Justice Department coming after u....this hobby has is pure garbage.

90% con
10% pro

not worth it

Justice Dept. doesn't come after you.
Yes it is a risky hobby but so is sky diving and crossing the road.

[satcom4]

if u analyze it all, is it really worth having this....have of the time your down or freezing...MY PPVs been down 2 days now....u pay for a service that does not work half the time....and u run the risk of the Justice Department coming after u....this hobby has is pure garbage.

90% con
10% pro

not worth it

also based on what you pay if even you got 30-75 channels open for the full time the donation is paid for you still would have paid less than having a sub for year at min-29.99 per month.. this has always been testeing not tv for life.. we had time it was out for months... if person are looking for free tv then get motor on a dish and cruz the sky lots of free stuff on the FTa sats.. and you need not buy or upgrade your reciver to do heck u dont even need internet or a fancye mpeg4 reciver.... this is just a hobby and yes person do make money on like my self but it has and all ways will be a hobby and a way to push ones personal knowlage not all but for the one like my self and other that just like to fig how things work.. as for ppv that not here know there as having most if not all the general channels up and still getting services is blessing in it self.. if you have been in this game long enough then you would know that this last motnh has be a test to all..... and guess what the fact we are still going is proff that the there is enough pro to this than con...


just my 2cents...

FYI- THIS IS NOT FREE TV BUT TESTING..... IKS has made all seem to forget what this orginal hobby was all about to start...:noidea:

[18dd2]

if u analyze it all, is it really worth having this....have of the time your down or freezing...MY PPVs been down 2 days now....u pay for a service that does not work half the time....and u run the risk of the Justice Department coming after u....this hobby has is pure garbage.

90% con
10% pro

not worth it



I've been around since the BUD days and I've not see it this bad and your right. That's one reason I have NetFlix $8 a month and streamed is well worth it. I'm probably going to let my donation run out and when it does I'm done. Receivers now day are even cheap cr*ap and over all not worth it. Like you say up/down up/down freezing and people telling ya when you mention they are down it's almost always the same answer it in you equipment. Not us. Or the sites screaming they got screwed by the reseller so you as the customer get screwed and your donation is dropped. Yea, I just don't need that. It use to be great, a fun good hobby. But things have changed. JMO.

LS HD Air
Dish HD

[ftanewbie]

also based on what you pay if even you got 30-75 channels open for the full time the donation is paid for you still would have paid less than having a sub for year at min-29.99 per month.. this has always been testeing not tv for life.. we had time it was out for months... if person are looking for free tv then get motor on a dish and cruz the sky lots of free stuff on the FTa sats.. and you need not buy or upgrade your reciver to do heck u dont even need internet or a fancye mpeg4 reciver.... this is just a hobby and yes person do make money on like my self but it has and all ways will be a hobby and a way to push ones personal knowlage not all but for the one like my self and other that just like to fig how things work.. as for ppv that not here know there as having most if not all the general channels up and still getting services is blessing in it self.. if you have been in this game long enough then you would know that this last motnh has be a test to all..... and guess what the fact we are still going is proff that the there is enough pro to this than con...


just my 2cents...

FYI- THIS IS NOT FREE TV BUT TESTING..... IKS has made all seem to forget what this orginal hobby was all about to start...:noidea:



well i would agree with u if, lets say out of a month u get 3 weeks of interruption free programing , then i would say yes is worth it...but is almost everyday now were down....like today all channels in the 110 are black out....forget about it Providers are winning this battle and eventually this war...is looks to me they figure out how to ECM on a daily basis the CAMS IKS seeders.

[satcom4]

well i would agree with u if, lets say out of a month u get 3 weeks of interruption free programing , then i would say yes is worth it...but is almost everyday now were down....like today all channels in the 110 are black out....forget about it Providers are winning this battle and eventually this war...is looks to me they figure out how to ECM on a daily basis the CAMS IKS seeders.

we been thru worse we will always find a way to keep going.... the war is only over when we stop fighting.. things will trun back around... it always up and down.. but never lose faith, what one man can make another can break ;)

i wil aggree the last 3 weeks have been very rough but as i said we will pull thru...

[mely wuso]

hello folks i am looking for a great iks not tomuch down times,what the price for iks let know

[Anubis]

hello folks i am looking for a great iks not tomuch down times,what the price for iks let know

May I suggest you start by reading the site rules found here....http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?352-Rules
You will have to do some reading on the various servers and pm the appropriate people to get the information you are asking for.

[silvia]

Buy VBA ( Virtual Bank Adress ) and VCC ( Virtual credit card ) to create an anonymous paypal account! Just use vpn to connect on and prepaid credit cart! Its cost 12$ to create the paypal! I suppose is the best way to pay in the iks universe! ;)

[xfiles]

Anybody get GREENDOT MONEYPAK in Canada???

[ruthie]

well i would agree with u if, lets say out of a month u get 3 weeks of interruption free programing , then i would say yes is worth it...but is almost everyday now were down....like today all channels in the 110 are black out....forget about it Providers are winning this battle and eventually this war...is looks to me they figure out how to ECM on a daily basis the CAMS IKS seeders.


Its the name of the game for one, and for two 3 weeks interrupted service is worth it???? you watch 2 movies when up most subs have payed for themselves...or 1 UFC and mnths of service has payed for itself.....look up packages of providers compared to what your getting for the peanuts your paying and do the math. Sounds to me you need a real sub if you want freeze free tv......just my opinion

thanks
R :)

[ruthie]

BITCOINS !!


Heres one i have seen for a while and been checking it out....there will be fees on top of normal donations from peeps receiving donations as transfers are different but completely anonymous .....takes longer though but worth it i believe. Heres some links for peeps to do there homework and check it out.....

thanks



http://arimaa.com/bitcoin_get/
https://localbitcoins.com
http://coinmill.com/BTC_USD.html
http://bitcoinme.com


BUMP....


really tired of getting constant complaints and pm's about being safe and anonymous etc. and everyone blaming servers/resellers etc. it takes a little bit of homework above and a little more time on end users time and voila your anonymous....seems no one wants to wait or do some finger searching and preparing ahead....moneypacks and pre-paids still leave a trail even if your using a fake name etc.....i posted this with links for peeps to maybe get on board this process to make things safe for all involved as can be.....theres a little thing called the silk road on bitcoins and they deal in some really shady stuff and is a interesting read if anyone wants to check it out as well.....it just shows how anonymous bitcoins are and somewhat untouchable if they let that service go on....not promoting this (silk road) kind of thing at all..just interesting reading....


thanks

R :)

[goadus]

Anybody know anything about okpay? I think that's what it's called. Any safer than other methods?

[smokey]

All the methods are getting risky these days, I am sticking to the Western Union as i can always use false address and fake names. A lot slower to receive codes but a lot safer.

I agree W.U. seems to be the safest, but you do take a chance of losing your cash.. But everybody wants PP now days.. I would've went with satlobo months ago if not for that.. I may try opening a fake PP account..

[slb]

Nice read, will try to stay away from PP if possible!

[pyramid]

Good information. I would stay away from PP as well.
Greendot MoneyPak is an excellent choice!
Not sure if its available in Canada.

[clarkBENT]

Buy VBA ( Virtual Bank Adress ) and VCC ( Virtual credit card ) to create an anonymous paypal account! Just use vpn to connect on and prepaid credit cart! Its cost 12$ to create the paypal! I suppose is the best way to pay in the iks universe! ;)

This is very interesting. You do have to trust that they won't take your money, but for a small $20 - $50 transaction I'm sure you'll be okay.


http://openvcc.com/


http://bestvba.com/

[clarkBENT]

BUMP....


really tired of getting constant complaints and pm's about being safe and anonymous etc. and everyone blaming servers/resellers etc. it takes a little bit of homework above and a little more time on end users time and voila your anonymous....seems no one wants to wait or do some finger searching and preparing ahead....moneypacks and pre-paids still leave a trail even if your using a fake name etc.....i posted this with links for peeps to maybe get on board this process to make things safe for all involved as can be.....theres a little thing called the silk road on bitcoins and they deal in some really shady stuff and is a interesting read if anyone wants to check it out as well.....it just shows how anonymous bitcoins are and somewhat untouchable if they let that service go on....not promoting this (silk road) kind of thing at all..just interesting reading....


thanks

R :)

I mentioned bitcoins in a much earlier post. Are sellers/resellers interested in taking these now? The major downside to using bitcoin is the wide fluctuations in market value (i.e. recent arrest of Ross Ulbricht). I think bitcoin has major potential, but wide "exchange rate" fluctuations will hinder its progress as a currency.

[elboy]

Guys what above vanilla prepaid card are they goo????

[clarkBENT]

Yes, they're great for those that accept credit card payments. You can pay cash for a Vanilla VISA at any of these retailers:

https://www.onevanilla.com/onevanilla/stores.html
and then go onto their website and give the card a billing address zip code. Now, you've got a VISA card that you can use at any website. :)


Guys what above vanilla prepaid card are they goo????

[KIDWCKED]

Are you sure??Vaniilla is mastercard...Even when registrd...ie Zip or postal...Not all webs take visa...There r restrictions with it..It states on back of card...And those restrictions suk.....

[dishuser]

I'll stay with PP and for many years never had problem... :comfort1:
enjoy that feeling..lol

[cw78836]

Also check out visa gift cards that can be purchased at your local mall!

[ftanewbie]

lots of freezing on the PPVs

[satcom staff]

the safest way to pay tho it may not be the easiest to setup would have to be bitcoins. 100% safe.

[dishuser]

lots of freezing on the PPVs

why post that here?lol

[ftanewbie]

why post that here?lol

sorry my bad :oops:

[Dirty]

I agree. I think Bitcoins would be the best.

[Fac]

Also check out visa gift cards that can be purchased at your local mall!

Not sure about all IKS servers, but the ones that use 95epay as their payment handler do not accept Visa gift cards unfortunately. From what I have read 95epay only accepts Visa cards that are issued by a bank to an individual on a billing cycle. I think it has something to do with them being located overseas. Visa gift cards say "Valid only in the United States" on the front of them. That's just my opinion on the reason though, I could be wrong.

[billhiggs]

what about western union, they can be sent at any walmart (at least in canada)

[whooper16]

i use fashionpay and they send me email ask me about url i send to but i not respond and name on c.c. is bogus. i still get code.

[ruthie]

BITCOINS !!


Heres one i have seen for a while and been checking it out....there will be fees on top of normal donations from peeps receiving donations as transfers are different but completely anonymous .....takes longer though but worth it i believe. Heres some links for peeps to do there homework and check it out.....

thanks



http://arimaa.com/bitcoin_get/
https://localbitcoins.com
http://coinmill.com/BTC_USD.html
http://bitcoinme.com


lets give this a bump , have been taking them for a long time now and wish more peeps would do there homework and get on board bitcoins.



heres another link for peeps to check out.....



http://www.weusecoins.com/en/

[Happyguy]

So can we get a summary of all the IKS re-sellers who will accept bitcoins ?

I expect some/many of us would be willing to jump on board and purchase via this means,
but only if the re-sellers will accept payment this way.

So... which re-sellers accept bitcoins?

[malbork]

Just my opinion, but I think people are crazy using bitcoins. The value is too volatile at this point in time. One day they can be worth $800, another day $2000, another day $400. You could end up paying a fortune for a simple P$ vs just using more traditional methods.

[hondoharry]

So... which re-sellers accept bitcoins?

I know another one on here - Kalimantester. They offer 5 or 6 providers and bitcoins accepted on all of them, in fact encouraged.

Personally I just can't bring myself to have confidence in a currency with no legal justice system backing it. In a system where a small minority of unknown persons control the majority of the currency. You may not want to meet those persons. But to make a donation, that's fine.

[ruthie]

I do accept and trade them....and you don't need to buy a full coin if there say $800...you can just buy .125 or .05 of a coin.....then do your trading so to speak.....takes a little longer for stuff to go through but worth it for being anonymous .... just my opinion.....

[malbork]

Ruthie, outside of FTA discussion, but do you personally mine bitcoins still, or is it too inefficient now that so many people are doing it. A few of my buddies used to be heavy into that awhile back. Two recently switched to mining lite (or light) bitcoins. I think they are $20 for 1 coin currently. The few guys that still do it, just do so with normal PCs with fairly high end video cards. Don't know anyone that buys those fancy things that are specifically designed for mining bitcoins (fairly expensive $1500+ to get started up). I personally thought about it in the past, but just don't trust the system at this point in time. It is neat though. Right now without a super powerful video card (aka one that is over $500), it is not really worth it, since you are say using and being billed "X" kWh on your monthly hydro bill having your comp on 24/7 mining, to make "X" fractions of a single coin. Canadian hydro rates are quite high too, which hurts your "profit" margin.

[ruthie]

No have never mined them .....just accept them for trading purposes....but always just keep a few in there....lol not in to it big like others...

[ftanewbie]

The Mexicans dont accept bit coins and they have the best servers and the least likely to get raided;)

[ruthie]

The Mexicans dont accept bit coins and they have the best servers and the least likely to get raided;)


Seriously?? Nice Highjack for advertising your? or a service.....sorry never understand why people have to highjack a thread to promote there service......it usually speaks for it self in up/dwn/support etc....thanks

[sinned004]

Anyone ever use Mpay or Alertpay? I think they are non-US, may be an alternative pay option. I have used them for some recreational purchases :innocent:

[ak.89]

I am thinking, this could be great idea. How about paying through poker accounts like pokerstars or other poker rooms.

[clarkBENT]

That requires both parties to have accounts. However, not everyone plays poker.


I am thinking, this could be great idea. How about paying through poker accounts like pokerstars or other poker rooms.

[ftanewbie]

u guys mite want to read this.....

$1.2M Hack Shows Why You Should Never Store Bitcoins on the Internet

[url]http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/11/inputs/

[dcapper]

So what IKS p$ accept payment via Vanilla pre paid cards. I think they are the best to pay with.

[john4848]

So what IKS p$ accept payment via Vanilla pre paid cards. I think they are the best to pay with.
I would like to know this as well. Don't want to go through paypal, don't want my name associated with this kind of transaction. With Beav, a vanilla mastercard prepaid card did the trick and it was clean.

[3900]

Find a re-seller in the US who takes them. You can also use them on Paypal with a phony account.

[ftanewbie]

Find a re-seller in the US who takes them. You can also use them on Paypal with a phony account.

real bad idea.

[3900]

real bad idea.

Whats wrong?

[hutch]

paypal/WU will turn over your phony account info... do not use them as any papertrail will eventually catch up to you/reseller c/p...

IT IS NOT SAFE TO PURCHASE IKS SERVICES USING PAYPAL
THEY WILL DISCLOSE YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION TO DN ON REQUEST

THE END USERS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED LEGAL PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THEIR ACCESS CODE PURCHASE - HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON -- THEY ALL USED PAYPAL TO PURCHASE THEIR ACCESS CODE.

[whoknows]

You forgot to mention the other common denominator was the ones that got the letter had purchased Rocket/N F P S and it was Rocket/N F P S reseller that turned over their information.

[ftanewbie]

Whats wrong?

buy from a re-seller in the US.

[alex70olds]

You forgot to mention the other common denominator was the ones that got the letter had purchased Rocket/N F P S and it was Rocket/N F P S reseller that turned over their information.

No, there are other servers. Stargate Portal, etc. But you are right, all from re-sellers info. And yes, they got the re-sellers info from PP.

[ftanewbie]

well i wounder how long pp keeps does records before they are recycle....for what i understand hotmail and other services keep a copy of all e-mails 6 months to 1 year and then is all flush out of their servers to make space....i remember cases on tv were police is investigating a murder and went to e-mail providers to retrieve their info and found out they dont keep it that long in their server and what they were looking for had already been deleted from the server....so i wounder how long pp keeps it before it removes it.

i believe if after 1 year your pretty much safe....now agree with the others here dont pay for service using PP.

[DJMark]

So it seems that all this talk is around Charlie. Is anyone out there concerned about BEV here in Canada???

[dishuser]

here's what I found

https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/social_network/EBay_Paypal_SN_LEG_Airforce.pdf

[alex70olds]

here's what I found

https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/social_network/EBay_Paypal_SN_LEG_Airforce.pdf

Very good info.

[whoknows]

buy from a re-seller in the US.

I'm don't understand the logic behind your post. Since dn is in the US and the court cases are in the US and any resellers that gave up the information are in the US wouldn't it be better dealing with a reseller from Canada?

[access_denied]

well i wounder how long pp keeps does records before they are recycle....for what i understand hotmail and other services keep a copy of all e-mails 6 months to 1 year and then is all flush out of their servers to make space....i remember cases on tv were police is investigating a murder and went to e-mail providers to retrieve their info and found out they dont keep it that long in their server and what they were looking for had already been deleted from the server....so i wounder how long pp keeps it before it removes it.

i believe if after 1 year your pretty much safe....now agree with the others here dont pay for service using PP.

Last I checked pp keeps all transactional records forever. Not sure how long after the account has been 100% closed but I would guess years. Just think about your personal income taxes.

As for Hotmail the last I read records were stored 60 days after being deleted from the Recycling Bin (or what ever they call it now). Messages still may be found within other prior backups that have been made.

Yahoo and Gargle are just as bad.

You should be able to find more details on eff dot org.

[ftanewbie]

I'm don't understand the logic behind your post. Since dn is in the US and the court cases are in the US and any resellers that gave up the information are in the US wouldn't it be better dealing with a reseller from Canada?

what i mean is if u going pay it has to be a re-seller thats off sure but u cant use a vanilla card....i give u a example the P$ in mexico are less likely to get raided...but the way things are looking i dont think people have to worry to much if they pay using PP....channels are falling off and it does not look like their coming back....looks like dish has figure it out....but time will tell.

[surfinisfun]

what i mean is if u going pay it has to be a re-seller thats off sure but u cant use a vanilla card....i give u a example the P$ in mexico are less likely to get raided...but the way things are looking i dont think people have to worry to much if they pay using PP....channels are falling off and it does not look like their coming back....looks like dish has figure it out....but time will tell.

Can't disagree with most of your post except the part about channel loss and return.

Seems some have returned, for how long?......thats another question.

[3900]

paypal/WU will turn over your phony account info... do not use them as any papertrail will eventually catch up to you/reseller c/p...

IT IS NOT SAFE TO PURCHASE IKS SERVICES USING PAYPAL
THEY WILL DISCLOSE YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION TO DN ON REQUEST

THE END USERS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED LEGAL PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THEIR ACCESS CODE PURCHASE - HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON -- THEY ALL USED PAYPAL TO PURCHASE THEIR ACCESS CODE.

If the account is phony its going to be tough to track it back to someone. I'm sure the NSA could do it but I think DN is just looking for a list of names and addresses to send out letters. I doubt they are going to track fake names and emails sent on public wifi's with spoofed mac addresses. I agree you should not do anything using your real info.

[gladiator]

It's not safe to use resellers. They will belly up on you in a split second. Better to buy directly from IKS provider. Do not ever use paypal.Never,Never,Never

[ftanewbie]

It's not safe to use resellers. They will belly up on you in a split second. Better to buy directly from IKS provider. Do not ever use paypal.Never,Never,Never

then u can get nothing here...everyone here offering service is a reseller.

[dcapper]

It's not safe to use resellers. They will belly up on you in a split second. Better to buy directly from IKS provider. Do not ever use paypal.Never,Never,Never

I used to use deal with thebeav directly. That didn't matter now did it?

[ftanewbie]

I used to use deal with thebeav directly. That didn't matter now did it?

the thing is u cant really tell whos the main guy or the middle man.... if u ask me....are u a reseller and tell u no, but i im how can u even verified it?

[dishuser]

huh?
you saying you got a letter?
or you just don't understand the topic?
I used to use deal with thebeav directly. That didn't matter now did it?

[gladiator]

then u can get nothing here...everyone here offering service is a reseller.

Not everyone here is a reseller. Most are resellers and some are not. Google is your friend use it.

[ftanewbie]

Not everyone here is a reseller. Most are resellers and some are not. Google is your friend use it.

o have used it but, like IKS mexico is a direct seller but....they only take pp or cc thats all connected to u....they dont take bit coins or vanilla cards.

[gladiater]

a lot of resellers except vanilla card's, some only take them best thing to do is start to pm and make your own decision

[neo]

Does anyone know about iks4less?...... i have heard about them but i'd like to see some feedbacks before placing my order they accept Bitcoin & PerfectMoney too

[music5]

who accepts prepaid visa or MC for ik$ donations? I am looking for 118 and 119.

[genmax]

Shoot me a PM for bitcoin, moneypak, prepaid vanilla processing.

[music5]

Anyone out there who may sell 1 month sub for testing and except vanilla Visa card?

[zoho1]

How does greendot moneypak work now since it don't have scratch off anymore. You get a receipt at the cash register now from what I understand so how would you transfer money to other person. Thanks

[badboyz4life]

WU ask me ever ? in the book ,what it was for , did i no the person , wanted ID ,what i was getting for the $ i was sending . A whole $60 lol
by me wu asks for id ,even if its $20.00

[ranger]

It appears that in the United States there is no way to send any funds under the Obama Adm. unless you give all personal information !!! The Green Dot Money Pak is gone and all replacements now require all personal information ... ( Bitcoin may be the only way now ) If anyone knows of a another way please speak up ..............Lol

[zoho1]

Wondering about this way to be safe. I see there is a MyCash My Paypal card out you can buy at CVS and at the counter you load money to the card to be added to a PayPal account. Has a scratch off number so could this be used by a buyer to add money to a sellers account?

[satscary]

Wondering about this way to be safe. I see there is a MyCash My Paypal card out you can buy at CVS and at the counter you load money to the card to be added to a PayPal account. Has a scratch off number so could this be used by a buyer to add money to a sellers account?

.................................................. .....
That can be a good and safe way to pay

[zoho1]

I just went to CVS and got one. Loaded just 20 to see how it works. Looks to me like the old MoneyPak way. I sign in to My Cash at PayPal and put my numbers in and it loaded the 20 to my account after I click on accept. So I would say give the numbers to a seller and they can load whatever amount they are charging. Maybe the draw back is you can not get cash in hand it just loads the account but not sure how PayPal works myself.

[NoName]

are their any vanilla cards that don't require a ssn number?

[gAsH]

are their any vanilla cards that don't require a ssn number?

What do you mean ? I have never required any information to buy and use vanilla Mastercards. Is this an American thing ? I buy vanilla cards all the time as gifts for birthdays ect.. and for all my online shopping. There is a post on the process of purchasing and registering vanilla cards for use with paypal here http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?185469-Shop-with-Pay-Pal-Completely-Anonymously

Are the Vanilla cards in other countries like the good ol USA different and require more information to register or use ? Anyone with info on this let me know.. thanks :thumbsup:

[Mavrick]

What do you mean ? I have never required any information to buy and use vanilla Mastercards. Is this an American thing ? I buy vanilla cards all the time as gifts for birthdays ect.. and for all my online shopping. There is a post on the process of purchasing and registering vanilla cards for use with paypal here http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?185469-Shop-with-Pay-Pal-Completely-Anonymously

Are the Vanilla cards in other countries like the good ol USA different and require more information to register or use ? Anyone with info on this let me know.. thanks :thumbsup:

Yes, the USA requires a ssn number (and other traceable information) to use pre-paid credit cards, I believe it came about after 9/11 and has something to do with stopping people from being able to fund terrorist groups anonymously.

[gAsH]

Yes, the USA requires a ssn number (and other traceable information) to use pre-paid credit cards, I believe it came about after 9/11 and has something to do with stopping people from being able to fund terrorist groups anonymously.

wow, I had no idea. Sounds like there may be a big demand for Canadian vanilla cards.. I smell a business opportunity! lol :grr:

Thanks for the update.. for the record all Canadian prepaid visa / mastercards you can purchase and use almost directly after purchase, its activated automatically at the point of sale. Most places online they can be used directly with out registering it, but if you want to attach it to an account like paypal then you have to register it to a zip or postal code. That is the only information you are able to input for the card.

Makes me wonder how long before the Canadian cards will require more identifiable information to use them if at all. Oh well just another reason Canada is better :tehe:

[NoName]

Try a onevanilla prepaid visa. They do not require an SSN to use.

[ranger]

The Obama Adm. stopped ALL prepaid cards that I know of that do not require SS , name, address, e-mail, phone number and etc. ... Money pak, Visa, MC, and all others in the USA .... (if you know of ANY and where to purchase, please share) ???

[gAsH]

Try a onevanilla prepaid visa. They do not require an SSN to use.


The Obama Adm. stopped ALL prepaid cards that I know of that do not require SS , name, address, e-mail, phone number and etc. ... Money pak, Visa, MC, and all others in the USA .... (if you know of ANY and where to purchase, please share) ???

I have no way to test the American cards, I know NONE of the Canadian 'gift' cards require any information at all. The ones that DO require information are the prepaid Mastercards and Visa's which are re-loadable thus you must register the card with personal info.

It looks like NoName may be on to something as the OneVanilla cards claim they require no personal information to purchase and use because they are not re-loadable and can only be used electronically (can't take cash from machines) ect.. If anyone gets a chance to try one of these let us know..

OneVanilla page is here
https://www.onevanilla.com/onevanilla/about.html

[NoName]

my mailman used onevanilla cards, he didn't have to register it but he did register the zip code.....no ssn number or name or anything required. He then linked the onevanilla to his fake paypal and then paid that way.

[ranger]

did your mailman have to give a phone number or E-mail ... How was the contact made to activate the card ???

[gAsH]

my mailman used onevanilla cards, he didn't have to register it but he did register the zip code.....no ssn number or name or anything required. He then linked the onevanilla to his fake paypal and then paid that way.

Yes, so that's the same as the Canadian vanilla cards from the sounds of it. You buy them anywhere and can use them anywhere cards are accepted in person, but to use it online it needs to be registered to an address (just zip or postal code) for the credit card verification systems to work properly on web stores.


did your mailman have to give a phone number or E-mail ... How was the contact made to activate the card ???

There is no contact to activate it, when you buy the card its activated automatically at the point of sale. there is a post here http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?185469-Shop-with-Pay-Pal-Completely-Anonymously that should give you a better idea what we are talking about here.

[NoName]

did your mailman have to give a phone number or E-mail ... How was the contact made to activate the card ???

no and no. he said the card gets activated when you purchase it. no registration needed for activation

[18dd2]

no and no. he said the card gets activated when you purchase it. no registration needed for activation

Interesting reading. If you go to their website it says no personal information needed for the OneVanilla Prepaid Card.

[caperns]

and no recourse when the service is cut off

[ricferr1]

Hello is anyone having trouble renewing, been waiting over 24 hours pm all the right info like usual and still waiting for a repiy.

[whoknows]

Hello is anyone having trouble renewing, been waiting over 24 hours pm all the right info like usual and still waiting for a repiy.

Some places they celebrate this past weekend with burgers, family and a bunch of 2 4's. While you're waiting get out and enjoy it.

[weezer]

if the guy running the server gets busted alls he does is give up your email and any other info you gave him so doesnt matter what kind of payment you use.

[rst123]

all the years I have been using iks never had a problem with paypal that is just stupid talk

[Mavrick]

all the years I have been using iks never had a problem with paypal that is just stupid talk

Your kidding right?

[jvvh5897]

All the aspects of IKS have inherent risk big enough that I have never bothered with it. There are other ways to test. But, even I would not try to just use paypal with no cut-outs.

[rst123]

no I am not kidding

[The Noof]

no I am not kidding

You can freely say so because you have not as of yet had any issues.Like the guy that smokes that hasen't got cancer yet...like the heroin addict that doesn't have hep C yet...like the tax evader that hasn't got the irs phone call yet...like the guy that likes to drink & drive hasn't been caught yet.

[knob]

You can freely say so because you have not as of yet had any issues.Like the guy that smokes that hasen't got cancer yet...like the heroin addict that doesn't have hep C yet...like the tax evader that hasn't got the irs phone call yet...like the guy that likes to drink & drive hasn't been caught yet.

ya, i used pp in the past and never had an issue but now there are better, completely anonymous ways to pay, so why risk it?
btw i'm a junkie and only have hep A and B, still haven't submitted my taxes this year and i've been smoking for 40 years....plbtttt. lol

[nobodyspecial]

:bump::bump:

[Gulfstream]

Unless you want get a letter from a lawyer demanding payment of 5000.oo..... Don't use PP Please trust me on this one. My neighbor got one sent to his business.......

[Arlo]

I use prepaid Vanilla Visa exclusively. If a reseller wants my business, they had better accept it. Period.
Paypal leaves bread crumbs to your door step. You wouldn't write a check for a bag of weed now would you?
Ok, maybe in Cali or CO.....
Bitcoin is just a pain in the ass. I don't understand it at all. Nor do I really care to.
Prepaid cost you 5 bucks and depending on which one you get, you can reload it.
Pay in cash. Be another John Smith.

[kenorakid]

Be careful who you use, my brother has been with one service provider from the beginning of the 2 new servers, his service expired 2 months ago and as usual paid renewal with van visa and got confirmation his service was good through august, 2 days ago he had no tv so contacted the reseller but the reseller no longer responds, contacted the service provider and they say they never used the card but the card has been used so he is cut off from using their service, great way to treat a loyal customer that is a senior living on a fixed income

[pennywise]

Be careful who you use, my brother has been with one service provider from the beginning of the 2 new servers, his service expired 2 months ago and as usual paid renewal with van visa and got confirmation his service was good through august, 2 days ago he had no tv so contacted the reseller but the reseller no longer responds, contacted the service provider and they say they never used the card but the card has been used so he is cut off from using their service, great way to treat a loyal customer that is a senior living on a fixed income

It's ok, go ahead and call me out. I've never ripped anyone off and been at this for over 10 years without 1 single complaint. I'm working on it to get you as much info as possible. I'll be getting back to you as soon as I can. I also requested some info from you, please send it if you have it.

[kenorakid]

nowhere did i mention your name or what service was i used as i told you in the pm i sent you i am dealing with this in private you are the one that just outed yourself, i have no issue with you whatsoever, 10 years no complaints try almost 30 years and he never ripped anyone off either, i told you IN PRIVATE i am happy with your service as i have told you MANY TIMES, and if you read the pm i just sent you you instead of airing this in public will see it is the server ( again i DID NOT mention who) that is saying you are to blame not me saying it and it is our fault for trusting a reseller, i repeat again i told you i wanted this kept private and i am happy with your service

[dishuser]

nowhere did i mention your name or what service was i used as i told you in the pm i sent you i am dealing with this in private you are the one that just outed yourself, i have no issue with you whatsoever, 10 years no complaints try almost 30 years and he never ripped anyone off either, i told you IN PRIVATE i am happy with your service as i have told you MANY TIMES, and if you read the pm i just sent you you instead of airing this in public will see it is the server ( again i DID NOT mention who) that is saying you are to blame not me saying it and it is our fault for trusting a reseller, i repeat again i told you i wanted this kept private and i am happy with your service
you're full of shat

[kenorakid]

you're full of shat

interesting comment from someone that knows nothing of what is going on but THINKS he knows it all, there is a lot going on you know nothing about that i do not feel is fair to air in public at this time

[nob0dy]

interesting comment from someone that knows nothing of what is going on but THINKS he knows it all, there is a lot going on you know nothing about that i do not feel is fair to air in public at this time

well its posted now , whats going on a thread thats been dead for years ..... now all of sudden its alive ...... weird .......


what is the problem(s) @ kenorakid ?


to be perfectly honest with you maybe its NOT the best idea to flip out on here , personally i've done it too many times ... so to save yourself the embarrassment .. maybe keep all in PMs .. " whatever " it is ... should be kept private ..


if you need some sort of assistance , i believe the staff have colors and or say mod or whatever .... some not all .... anyways .. maybe ask one of them or something ...


its blue , red , green , for sure ... i might be missing a few custom colors or whatever .. me personally i don't work here ...... i am just a nob0dy ......

[kenorakid]

Thank you but like i said i was keeping everything private until the reseller brought it public, i am having issues with service that i do not think are fair to air until people involved have had a chance to try to resolve them and i was merely trying to warn others to be careful with choices they make, that is why the thread came alive as it is a "paying for iks thread", i appreciate your reply and i understand your interest but like i said i feel it is fair to try resolving in private at this time that is why i never mentioned any names, it use to be folk appreciated help or warnings but now if you try to help people you get insulted, i thought that is why we are here to help each other

[pennywise]

I'm not concerned.....i don't rip people off and I put it out there, I wasn't mad, still not. What happened was unfortunate for both parties. You have all the info now. You did call me into question in a pm then posted here. I will come forward to protect myself as a seller always. Nothing to hide.

[dishuser]

interesting comment from someone that knows nothing of what is going on but THINKS he knows it all, there is a lot going on you know nothing about that i do not feel is fair to air in public at this time

and that's why you're full of it
why else dig up an old thread?

[nob0dy]

and that's why you're full of it
why else dig up an old thread?

was something deleted ?

all i see is kenorakid replying to this person

https://i.imgur.com/5N3ZZdd.jpg


was a post(s) deleted or something ?

[dishuser]

was something deleted ?

all i see is kenorakid replying to this person

https://i.imgur.com/5N3ZZdd.jpg


was a post(s) deleted or something ?
nothing was deleted
communication between the 2 parties is ongoing so why post a "warning" now?
reminds me of cart before horse

[nob0dy]

nothing was deleted
communication between the 2 parties is ongoing so why post a "warning" now?
reminds me of cart before horse

the warning is in post # 181 it's clear as day ......... i know because i wrote it ....


it said to : kenorakid ........ hey man not everyone around here with power says it on there title or user name nick name or handle or whatever ghey terminology it is this year ...


basically i saw YOU type and i was really talking to kenorakid about you to be perfectly honest , well because your the site @sshole with a little power ....


i saw the message for what exactly it was , you attacking Pennywise's customer ... you attack everyone .... we've talked about this before ... if you wanna continue to hang out here and be apart of this community , either you change your ways or i'll be forced to have you removed here as well .... just like i did over at talk ..... to be perfectly honest with you i don't really like you at all , never did ...... you come off like some know it all ...... like your somebody in reality you're a nothing ..... truly a skill-less troll that only runs around and annoys others or puts others down ...... you bash more than you help and this post is yet another perfect example .....


and you really should've checked ole Pennywise's buddy list , you would've seen that i was clearly on it ....... LoL what a idiot !


anyways you thought i didn't know him/her/it/tranny ...... that was your first mistake ....... second one was going after his/her/its customer and third was " thinking " you had the IQ to even exchange a conversation with me , let alone be apart of it ... LoL .....




how about that for a warning , do you like it ?

:lolpound:


Before you even consider replying , remember the internet belongs to me ...... and YOU are just a guest .....


And you really should follow your own advice that's in your signature : “Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.”



You really are a highly disrespectful person , that i would just love to have 5 mins with ..... Show you something daddy didn't obviously do , give you a education on manners and a good ole @sswhipping ... maybe a slap to the face too ...

second thought i've never hit a lady before and you're pretty damn close to being one , so maybe a slap to the face will have to do ....


this video is for you .... it reminds me of YOU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgiOjhkiuhw

:rolleyes:

[dishuser]

thanx for the laff