dish 1000.2 or 1000.4

[psi]

Does anybody know if jynxbox hd works with dish 1000.2 or 1000.4?
If it does, how do u set up the configuration for the dish settings?
Thank you for your input.

[whoknows]

Are you wanting to hit the eastern ark which I believe 1000.4 is good for or 110 119 129. Do you have the dish aligned? Give us a little more information. thanks

[sandyfeix]

Are you wanting to hit the eastern ark which I believe 1000.4 is good for or 110 119 129. Do you have the dish aligned? Give us a little more information. thanks

Hello You need another reciver for power thé Lnb for hd Channel

[psi]

i am on the western arc and i haven't bought the dish yet because i want to make sure it works with jynxbox first.
is it easy to set up for 3 jynx receivers with dish 1000.2?

[Terryl]

To use 3 Jynxbox receivers on a Dish 1000.2 or 1000.4 you will have to use a DPP44 power injector to get the LNB's to work right.

Or you can also use the DPP 44 switch and it's power injector to run 3 or more receivers.

The Jynxbox does not have the DC power needed to run the 3 LNB's on the dish 1000 series.

DiSeqc switch settings would be Diseqc #1 =119W, #2 =110W and #3 =129W, or for an Eastern arc dish DiSeqc #1 =77W, #2 =72.7W and #3 =61.5W

[psi]

Thanks for the input, gentlemen!
I am going to get all the necessary switches and dishes to make it work.
Terryl,quick question,can dp 34 be used too?

[phat]

I have tested it on both dishes and it works well.

[Terryl]

Thanks for the input, gentlemen!
I am going to get all the necessary switches and dishes to make it work.
Terryl,quick question,can dp 34 be used too?


DP34 can't be used with a Dish 1000, it's an un-powered switch, the receiver doesn't have the DC current to run an un-powered switch and 3 LNB's at the same time.

Also the only switch compatible with the dish 1000 LNB's is the Dish DPP44.

[psi]

Thanks phat for the confirmation and do u use the dpp 44 switch too?

[psi]

Thanks Terryl for the clarification!
Another question for u, is it the same if i get a 24" elliptical dish with 3 single dish pro lnb and set up to receive 119,110 and 129 and run them through the dpp 44?

[Terryl]

It's basically the same setup, 3 LNB's into a switch, but with the 3 independent LNB's you can use a standard Diseqc switch,(but you would need a 4 x 4 Diseqc switch to run 3 receivers) you would not need the DPP 44 switch, only if the 3 LNB's were of the DPP (DP Pro) type, then you would need the DPP (DP Pro) 44 switch and power inserter.

[psi]

It's basically the same setup, 3 LNB's into a switch, but with the 3 independent LNB's you can use a standard Diseqc switch,(but you would need a 4 x 4 Diseqc switch to run 3 receivers) you would not need the DPP 44 switch, only if the 3 LNB's were of the DPP (DP Pro) type, then you would need the DPP (DP Pro) 44 switch and power inserter.

So what you are saying is that i can do the same thing with 3 independent legacy lnbs and running it through 4x4 diseqc.
Could you kindly illustrate how to set it up to achieve this with diseqcs?
Thanks again for your guidance.

[Terryl]

It's not that difficult a setup.

[iq180]

the best option is to get a 44 switch, it works with all recivers and dish setups, but thats just me thinking,lol.

[psi]

Thanks guys!
I went and get 2 zinwell 4x4 and it works perfect.

[cheff]

You only need the Dish 1000.2 or 1000.4 with dp-44 power inserter , No need for the 44 - switch works fine direct cable to lnb just make sure power inserter goes on port 1.

[AeonFlux]

Cheff is correct. Jynxbox only rated for 450ma LNB power. Between DPP44 and 3 LNBs you will be overloading it. DP44 power inserter is excellent way to unload the LNB power requirements. You can find them fairly cheap on FleaBay. Highly recommended.

A 1000.2/.4 requires 650ma - 700ma to run and will definitely overload the Jynx. And running 3 FTAs does not solve the problem. It makes it worse. There are channeling diodes in the DPP44 to only take power from one source - the one with the highest voltage. The DP44 power inserter puts out +21V which is higher than the +18V put out by the Jynx (under load) and so it becomes the sole source for all LNB and switch power.

Credit to Homer for developing this information.

[phat]

Cheff is correct. Jynxbox only rated for 450ma LNB power. Between DPP44 and 3 LNBs you will be overloading it. DP44 power inserter is excellent way to unload the LNB power requirements. You can find them fairly cheap on FleaBay. Highly recommended.

A 1000.2/.4 requires 650ma - 700ma to run and will definitely overload the Jynx. And running 3 FTAs does not solve the problem. It makes it worse. There are channeling diodes in the DPP44 to only take power from one source - the one with the highest voltage. The DP44 power inserter puts out +21V which is higher than the +18V put out by the Jynx (under load) and so it becomes the sole source for all LNB and switch power.

Credit to Homer for developing this information.

I tested the output on the tuner to be approx. 650mA. I believe (assume) the specs say 450mA as a minimum spec.

[AeonFlux]

Specs say 450 is maximum limit not minimum. 450ma is the most you want to pull out of the Jynx or bad things happen. This is exactly why so many people are struggling. FTAs are not designed the way provider boxes are. Why struggle with this when the fix is so cheap? I mean $20 - 39US for the DP Plus power inserter is extremely cheap fix. Also note that with 1000.2/.4 you don't need the DPP44 switch itself if you only running 3 FTAs. You only need the power inserter. The 1000.2/.4 has built in switch.

Good installation also has good single point grounding and solid, continuous RG-6 cables with no couplers in them. Stupid as it sounds, those damned couplers cause a lot of problems as they age. They drop your +DC voltage to the LNBs and loose signal on you. Real good compression F connectors are also highly recommended. Those old style hex crimp connectors from RatShack are nothing but junk and another problem waiting to happen.

There. I feel good now. I got all of these important installation details out.

[phat]

Not that anything you said about the installation is wrong but I don't see anything about maximum output being 450mA. Put a meter to it and let me know. I also tried both 1000.2 and 1000.4 and they are installed and functional for over a month.

[Terryl]

Again I will state that after bench testing 20 of the 3 LNB heads from the dish 1000 line, that the average DC current drain on any receiver will be over 600 mA DC,(a 20 receiver average, some may take more, some may take less) and there is no way to test this without some very specially modified equipment.

If you put any type of volt or amp meter in line to test this you will get false readings, it take a specially modified Dish receiver to test this.

Trying to run this type of LNB with a receiver that can't supply the DC current needed will/could cause problems with switching, missing transponders or after time, serious damage to the receivers power supply.

Dish engineering spec's on this LNB is 650 mA minimum, remember you are running 3 LNB's AND an internal Diseqc switch all at the same time, this can be very hard on under powered receivers.

The one and only fix for the under current is to use the DPP 44 switches DC power inserter, this power inserter will compensate for the low DC current problems.

There are very few FTA receivers out there that can run this LNB without the DC power inserter.(check the back of the receiver at the LNB input connection for the DC current spec)

Some have run this LNB without it, but there will always be the possibility that the receivers power supply is not quit ready to fail, or is just at it's outside limit on the DC current, or they have a very short run of coax. (long runs of coax equal more DC resistance, thus a higher DC load on the power supply.)

[crazy carl]

The max output for the jynx box is given in the specs and is rated at 450 ma it is from there own specs, now from terryl states you will need the dpp 44 in order to compensate, it's simple math really, and they can come very affordable so why take the chance on an expensive piece of equipment

[Terryl]

I tested the output on the tuner to be approx. 650mA. I believe (assume) the specs say 450mA as a minimum spec.

How did you test this?????

[AeonFlux]

I have a very expensive sat meter that does this. Possible to modify a provider box but then calibration is up to you.

Trying to help you, not hurt you. Sure you can overload the Jynxbox. Go ahead. Knock yourself out. Don't listen to knowledgeable people trying to give you good advice. First you will have nothing but grief trying to get anything to scan, get reliable signals and reliable switching. Next you will overheat the JB100 power circuit. Then you will be complaining how it only works for a while then cuts out or won't switch the diseqc. You can put all the fans in the world on it and you will still be struggling. Finally after repeatedly overloading the puppy you will burn out the power circuit. Then you will be complaining what a piece of junk it was right from the start, after all, it never worked right. You will curse it. You will try loading bins but by then it will be too late.

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You can listen to people who know what they are talking about. Spend $20 -39US on the DPPlus Power inserter and watch all your problems disappear.

Think about this... terryl is a very smart guy and Super Mod here. Even if you don't recognize me, I been around a reaaaaaal long time. I been in Jynxbox practically from the start. You are getting some very good info from reliable sources. Need I say more?

[Lowteck]

Current drain has always been a problem with DP lnb's, possibly Dishes revenge. The longer the run and the more switches you use the more current drain the receiver power supply has. The way most power supplies compensate for high current is to lower the voltage, ie why the unit will not scan right. Lower voltage means the lnb does not recognize what is being requested of it. You have been given great advice, hope you listen to what they said!

[funkycold]

Guys, I have checked with Jynxbox directly. I sent them an Email through their website. The Jynxbox can output 850mA no problems. Thats a fact! You guys can argue all day long. Pls contact them and see for yourself. no better way to get info than from the source i guess...
In fact, it is the FTA with the most output on the LNB line. Take that to the bank fellas.....