suspected server misrepresentation

[ftastudent2]

My friend has been testing Satlobo and yesterday decided to test Tutu. When he received the detail he discovered that both Satlobo and Tutu use the same IP, port and Deskey. Tutu threads do not make it clear that in fact they are or are not Satlobo and he feels that he has been decieved. They reseller has failed to respond to qeury,s about this matter. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

[zoogor]

i asked satlobo about this a week or so ago and all he said was tutu is using the old ip number and is not reselling satlobo.
satlobo has a new server now and it is in no way similar numbers to tutu.
des key however is very common for most servers

[ftastudent2]

i asked satlobo about this a week or so ago and all he said was tutu is using the old ip number and is not reselling satlobo.
satlobo has a new server now and it is in no way similar numbers to tutu.
des key however is very common for most servers

Thanks, that makes sense. Old lobo ip port still work though so how can Tutu be different as both Ip,s are same and both codes are working at the same time??

[ftastudent2]

Thanks, that makes sense. Old lobo ip port still work though so how can Tutu be different as both Ip,s are same and both codes are working at the same time??
Just recieved this from a Tutu rep.

"We are tutu. If you have satlobo there is a good chance that you have our server too.
Satlobo was reselling our server and call it their own. Satlobo is just a reseller that sales several servers."

My answer

You should make this clear in a post as I think Satlobo misrepresnts what is true. Satlobo also has resellers providing the service under the Satlobo banner.

[zoogor]

satlobo has been around a lot longer than tutu. i will however send this to them and see what is said. personally, i think tutu is trying to stir some crap but thats my opinion.

[ftastudent2]

satlobo has been around a lot longer than tutu. i will however send this to them and see what is said. personally, i think tutu is trying to stir some crap but thats my opinion.
Yes he has. My friend has been testing Satlobo for a considerable period of time. He used to have his own section in the forum but it disappeared when the forum reappeared after the past outage. To be fair to Tutu; my friend was offered a refund due to this confusing situation. I just want people to know that if you are looking to test an alternative and you have been testing Satlobo or Tutu then you should look elsewhere for an alternative to ensure you are truly getting an alternative.

[crazy carl]

Thanks, that makes sense. Old lobo ip port still work though so how can Tutu be different as both Ip,s are same and both codes are working at the same time??

resellers are resellers my friend, welcome to the world of politics, marketing and sales, where a snickers bar and a baby ruth appear to be the same but arn't.

[Nostradamus]

either way it is crap. You can't have 2 servers using the same IP unless it is some type of redundancy thing and one working as a backup for the other.Even if it was true about Tutu using old Satlobo IP well then why would Satlobo login info work on a different server? Sounds like this will be BS topic of the week

[dslchome]

satlobo has been around a lot longer than tutu. i will however send this to them and see what is said. personally, i think tutu is trying to stir some crap but thats my opinion.

Yes but TuTu is not even TuTu, its really *******

[zoogor]

i dont know, all i know is i use satlobo i resell satlobo. it works great. almost perfect on the new server. the wars will continue but im not getting involved in it.

[hutch]

Yes but TuTu is not even TuTu, its really *******

this kinda things been going on for some time now

[ftastudent2]

crap..i didn't know that snickers is inside a baby ruth bar...lol

Effem corp inside Nestle? Does the Mars family know?

[ritz23]

So do most people recommend Satlobo over Tutu? My understanding is that Rocket and NFPS are run by the same company... is this a similar thing?

[jedi]

I don't know ritz - but it is beginning to sound like it.
I used Rocket and NFPS both - and I couldn't see a difference - and with all the card hits going on maybe Satlobo and TuTu joined forces. I can't blame them - if Dish keeps hitting cards the way they have been lately - then you will see a lot more mergers.

[ftastudent2]

I don't know ritz - but it is beginning to sound like it.
I used Rocket and NFPS both - and I couldn't see a difference - and with all the card hits going on maybe Satlobo and TuTu joined forces. I can't blame them - if Dish keeps hitting cards the way they have been lately - then you will see a lot more mergers.

Do they both use the same IP? That would be telling as an IP directs the packets to a particular subnet and normally a single computer. If the IP is someting like this xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1080 then it is port forwarded to a particular machine on the same subnet. If you have several machines using DHCP then with them all turned on check each one's IP and you will see that the last 3 digits are different for each computer. ie .123, .224, .125 etc but the first 9 digits will be the same for all.

[Buttman302]

Do they both use the same IP? That would be telling as an IP directs the packets to a particular subnet and normally a single computer. If the IP is someting like this xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1080 then it is port forwarded to a particular machine on the same subnet. If you have several machines using DHCP then with them all turned on check each one's IP and you will see that the last 3 digits are different for each computer. ie .123, .224, .125 etc but the first 9 digits will be the same for all. Yes!!! Rocket and NFPS are the same people,,

[fastrman]

So if someone was looking for TRULY different servers, which ones are not married to each other? I have NFPS, Satlobo, and Activo, but these days they all look and act the same most of the time. if one server doesnt get the channel the others dont either. Waste of money if having multiple servers is of no benefit. Shady business these P$,..... but we already knew that didnt we ?

[ftastudent2]

Fish makes their IP public on there home page compare that to what you have.

[nahida]

Tutu and sat lobo are the same, even I was deceived when I donated to tutu. Y are not getting an alternate server, it's ths same.

[yappapi]

Tutu and sat lobo are the same, even I was deceived when I donated to tutu. Y are not getting an alternate server, it's ths same.

tutu ask that if you have any concern over your current server being the same as what they offer...you need to tell them who you are with before making a donation so they can advise you further.
pretty simple and nothing deceiving that i see.
all this thread does is draw unwanted attention to those servers.
of course this is JMO.

[mechanicman]

But why have same servers with different names??? someone had to be first...


tutu ask that if you have any concern over your current server being the same as what they offer...you need to tell them who you are with before making a donation so they can advise you further.
pretty simple and nothing deceiving that i see.
all this thread does is draw unwanted attention to those servers.
of course this is JMO.

[crazy carl]

Because if the main server allows them to and there panel can becalled whatever they want then they do, but things are different now from what I read lobos new dick and bev server are on new different ips

[yappapi]

But why have same servers with different names??? someone had to be first...

taste great? less filling?
if you can get the same for less $ than why ask why? :)

[ftastudent2]

either way it is crap. You can't have 2 servers using the same IP unless it is some type of redundancy thing and one working as a backup for the other.Even if it was true about Tutu using old Satlobo IP well then why would Satlobo login info work on a different server? Sounds like this will be BS topic of the week

My friend was looking through some old communications and in answer to your observations. Yes you can have different urls to the same IP but as you said the IP won,t change; it has to be the same. Satlobo knows how to have a url redirected. The original communication from Satlobo gave the url XXXXXXX.dyndns.tv or "if you need the IP XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX".
I have used dyndns in the past but stopped doing so just a while back as they were no longer providing the service free. There are other dns resolving companies that provide this free service. When you enter the url the packets are send to the dns server operated by dyndns which then provides the correct IP and sends the packet off. The computer at the end of this is communicating regularly with the server that is providing the correct IP, verifying it's current IP. This is to ensure the packets always go to the correct place. The server using this service can be DHCP. Tutu did not provide a url only an IP, no redirection possible with that. This seems pretty definitive to me no matter who was first seen in this forum.

As to Crazy Carl: This type of deception is not politics, marketting or sales and if the users of this forum are being decieved by other users that would seem to me reason for the moderators to ban the offending individual. No one expects to pay for the same service twice, specially when it happens from a forum we come to for advice and to help each other to enjouy this great hobby.

[kenkell1]

Just recieved this from a Tutu rep.

"We are tutu. If you have satlobo there is a good chance that you have our server too.
Satlobo was reselling our server and call it their own. Satlobo is just a reseller that sales several servers."

My answer

You should make this clear in a post as I think Satlobo misrepresnts what is true. Satlobo also has resellers providing the service under the Satlobo banner.

IF someone from TUTU stated what was said above then I would have to call TUTU an outright liar!
Satlobo has been around a heck of alot longer than TUTU......and I also called TUTU out when they first came about and said "HEY dude...your just a satlobo reseller using a different name.... they basically agreed!!!!"

[ranger]

ftastudent2, What is your real interest, concern or problem ???

[crazy carl]

If that were to be the case they would end up banning a good percent of resellers, because there are reasons why when channels go bye bye they go bye bye on multiple servers..

[torpainter]

Caveat emptor!!