I believe they are all the same !!

[fastrman]

I have 5 servers and they all get the same channels and they all don't get the same channels. Seems to me no matter what service you go with, they all get the same thing. They all have no Sports Channels right now. They all have no NBA Ticket right now, and they are all not getting CNN or Headline News in HD right now. It makes me wonder why I spend money on diversity if there is none to be had.

If anyone has a truly independent server, please let me know and Ill pm you and give YOU my money.

[Sp0iler]

True that some do share the same servers.
Others I know for sure are on their own servers.

Many times, things are left in the stream that prevents the providers from bringing some channels back up and giving the appearance they are all on the same servers.

Happy viewing,
Sp0iler

[Sp0iler]

I would ad this too....

The Iks providers have gotten pretty good at providing pretty stable service.
Down time is minimal for most unless big brother throws a loop at them.
One way to know your on a separate server is when one goes down (Nfps has had some issues lately.) and others are still live.

When AJG wrote the bin files for SV... I'll assure you they were not thinking of other providers when they first did it.Support for other servers came later.

JMO thanks,
Sp0iler

[carl01]

looks like they all feed from same source

[crazy carl]

It all depends who your with, but for someone to post they have a private iks service, that would defeat the prupose of the very request your asking for, my neighbour and the milk man have 2 different servers and one is completely fine and the other is shot, there are servers out there with different seeds it just depends..but like I said its extremely unlikely that you will see a private iks service on a public fourm, good luck though and happy testing

[Sp0iler]

Have a look at channel 204. Some are up.. and some aren't .

I also agree, A true private server you will never hear about on the net and at an fta site the very least. One peep at a place like this and it's game over for "Privacy".

[fastrman]

I think by definition a PRIVATE server would not be publicly known. But it would be nice to know what we are getting into and what the real differences are on the different servers. Many are using the same seeds and are redundant. I'd like them to spell out what services they are really selling. That would prove helpful.

[Kingdom]

I have nfps and another server. Couple of weeks ago a few hd ppv movie were up on nfps. At that same time on the other server the same channels were up. I called the server guy on phone and asked him how come the hd ppv movie are up now? At that time he didn't even know those channels are up.......

My second server is exact mirror of nfps. He says he has Chinese channels. After the last ECM there are no Chinese channels. I paid him for nothing.

[Rizz]

That is so true I have PS and NFPS guess what Hd's were down since last ECM and my PS to who I pay lot more has the exact same channels were up. Now NFPS has HD channels up and guess what my private server is up to that makes me wonder why the hell I am paying for extra PS lol.
I have nfps and another server. Couple of weeks ago a few hd ppv movie were up on nfps. At that same time on the other server the same channels were up. I called the server guy on phone and asked him how come the hd ppv movie are up now? At that time he didn't even know those channels are up.......

My second server is exact mirror of nfps. He says he has Chinese channels. After the last ECM there are no Chinese channels. I paid him for nothing.

[fastrman]

That is so true I have PS and NFPS guess what Hd's were down since last ECM and my PS to who I pay lot more has the exact same channels were up. Now NFPS has HD channels up and guess what my private server is up to that makes me wonder why the hell I am paying for extra PS lol.


LOL this is my point exactly ! WTF are we actually buying? I have 5 P$ that I am testing now and the fact of the matter is I dont have any more channels than I do with just NFPS and it is the cheapest of all the P$ !!! I would like to somehow figure out which servers are feeding from the same seeds so that I can make purchases that maximize my uptime and channel selection. Redundancy is fine but I would prefer to know when I am making a purchase that I am not just buying something that is different in name only but provides the same service as 5 other servers. These P$ providers are being somewhat deceptive in their advertisement. It used to be you could figure out if you were being sold duplicate service by comparing IP addresses. But now even a tracert on their dynip address isnt always informative.

We also need to take into consideration what Spoiler is saying. It is also possible that the channels we see missing on more that one server doesnt necessarily mean they are all on the same seed card. It is always possible that Charlie has devised a way to block channels from iks. If that is the case I hope they figure that out before all the channels are blocked.

[rsoares28]

Very well put fastman... i think after my current stint with one of the popular more expensive options i will be sticking with rocket alone. I've been playing around with many of the expensive options from this site and ive seen no difference compared to rocket.

All i care about is HD so i'm hoping for a day when the HD ch's are as stable as the SD counter parts. My SV prem is pretty much rock solid with rocket... can't say the same for my SVHD with rocket/(insert any of the higher prices options here)

Maybe some company will decide to put all its resources into an HD only server... id certainly pay for it.

The question is what will make the sellers and re-sellers come clean re: their sources? They'd lose business instantly as no one will pay for redundancy.

[henpecked]

Here's something to think about

Most iks providers are sharing the same HD source
fact

[mpjassal]

so after reading all the post in this thread I get one thing........R0KET and NFPS are the best bcoz they are cheap compare to other if all are the same

[jedi]

I think the truly private servers - those that do not advertise anywhere and won't take you as a client unless they know you - are relatively small - that is the only way they can stay private. So being smaller means they can't afford to buy every channel - so they subscribe to all of the major channels that most of their clients want - but then they buy the rest of the "not so popular" channels from some of the bigger public servers to ad to their load balancer. So if you are watching some of these "not so popular" channels and the big guys are having a problem then these private servers are also going to have a problem.

If Dishnet continues to hit and wipe out the cards in the card servers every 4 to 6 weeks - then I don't think the smaller private servers can survive - it will be survival of the fittest and everyone will be forced to go to the big boys. These guys will have a pocket full of money and may be able to keep up with the card hits or maybe even find a way to prevent them.
So in the long run Dishnet may be diverting funds to the big boys and making them even stronger.

I don't understand their reasoning in getting rid of the small guys and letting the big boys reap all the profits and prosper - but who ever said Dishnet executives were that smart :-)

[FunkedUp]

so after reading all the post in this thread I get one thing........R0KET and NFPS are the best bcoz they are cheap compare to other if all are the same

Yup... took me some time to figure that out but it is true

[caterham]

That is so true I have PS and NFPS guess what Hd's were down since last ECM and my PS to who I pay lot more has the exact same channels were up. Now NFPS has HD channels up and guess what my private server is up to that makes me wonder why the hell I am paying for extra PS lol.

I wouldent be advertising on a open forum that you subscribe to a illegal pirate server. Just a helpful hint.

[Zongor]

I wouldent be advertising on a open forum that you subscribe to a illegal pirate server. Just a helpful hint.

My plumber's accountant's escort/call girl has those services and he/she reports you are correct.

He also advises to file early and not claim IKS connex as dependents unless relatives are large and need HD & PPV.

There is no need for public admissions, everyone hates plubmers, electricians and tax accountants, but they are
all experts on FTA so i'd go with that. I hope you get it.

[Kingdom]

This thread may need to be sticked.

[suport-iks]

Hahahaha funny thread

[Nostradamus]

Here's something to think about

Most iks providers are sharing the same HD source
factcan't say for sure they all hav the same seeders but it is a fact HD is harder to keep up than SD channels as the receivers and cards continue to get rarer


so after reading all the post in this thread I get one thing........R0KET and NFPS are the best bcoz they are cheap compare to other if all are the same
Rocket & NFPS are the same thing and one server is just mirror of the other

[Sp0iler]

so after reading all the post in this thread I get one thing........R0KET and NFPS are the best bcoz they are cheap compare to other if all are the same

You didn't read well enough.... rocket and Nfps are one and the same.

[jjfta1]

There are some differences between PS providers, but not many. It’s always good to have backup (diversity) for that one time that you really want to watch something. None of the providers are having any consistent success with HD PPV at the moment.

At least that’s what my in-law’s hooker tells me. She seems very knowledgeable about this.

[Kingdom]

I have many server. When yesterday DN 94XX channels were freezing(may be still continuing), All of the servers were freezing same way on corresponding channels.17158

[hondoharry]

Yes, it appears they all are re-distributors of DN basic channel code words from a single source (NFPS?) but may have their own seeder card or two for specialty channels.

[henpecked]

I have many server. When yesterday DN 94XX channels were freezing(may be still continuing), All of the servers were freezing same way on corresponding channels.17158

Bingo...right on the mark

[zokii1983]

hmmmmm nba pass down on all 4 of my iks servers

i did notice that nba tv was up once I got sub for beaver ...
I think I'll stick with ntfs/rockers

[fastrman]

and maybe DN is one of those big IKS guys ... :innocent:


Been thinkin that since we loaded bins on our boxes and even before that. Recouping revenue that would not have been realized otherwise. Pretty slick if you ask me. But if they get caught....

So is this the way it is gonna be for a while ? One server handling HD, No sports channels and no HD PPV Sports and Movies? I would think they would make a better effort to differentiate their services by offering sports channels or something different than all the other services. How many servers do we need that offer the exact same thing?

[hondoharry]

How many servers do we need that offer the exact same thing?

For either $small or $a lot a year, take your pick.

[Zongor]

For either $small or $a lot a year, take your pick.

Ummm.....but the $a lot guys have such great support and supporters? LOL, guess the extra
revenue can go into hiring ghost cients like the so many we are all too used to.

[NoName]

I can appreciate many of your concerns but are you forgetting that you are dealing with cardsharing??? Call Nagra's attorney's and ask them why don't the ps servers do a better job of differentiating the services. If you are that concerned with what PS provider is really reselling what other PS provider save yourself the hassle and call 1-800-provider of your choice. Dave and Charlie and B3v for that matter are very clear about the differences in their packages.

There are no promises in this "hobby". In fact the hobby aspect of this is gone out of the window in many ways; especially on the fta side of things. I just get so sick of ppl who pay peanuts, get all of these channels and complain about everything they dont have.

I bet you this much. The people who been around long enough aren't complaining about channel selection because they probably didn't lose much if any.

As for the public pay servers (because none of them are private), I never understood the reason to go with anyone else other than nfps and rocket anyway (for south). The price differences between them and most of the others are huge and the channel selection isn't much different. And trust me I am certainly not trying to push them or any other service on anyone. I know of a small group that keeps me happy. But I'm just saying.......chill out with the demans/complaints. One last bit. By far, the most important aspect of picking a public pay server, in my mind, isn't price or channel selection....its security. And if you doubt that just ask the d.a.'s and nex and certain resellers etc etc. Security trumps all


Been thinkin that since we loaded bins on our boxes and even before that. Recouping revenue that would not have been realized otherwise. Pretty slick if you ask me. But if they get caught....

So is this the way it is gonna be for a while ? One server handling HD, No sports channels and no HD PPV Sports and Movies? I would think they would make a better effort to differentiate their services by offering sports channels or something different than all the other services. How many servers do we need that offer the exact same thing?

[fastrman]

I can appreciate many of your concerns but are you forgetting that you are dealing with cardsharing??? Call Nagra's attorney's and ask them why don't the ps servers do a better job of differentiating the services. If you are that concerned with what PS provider is really reselling what other PS provider save yourself the hassle and call 1-800-provider of your choice. Dave and Charlie and B3v for that matter are very clear about the differences in their packages.

There are no promises in this "hobby". In fact the hobby aspect of this is gone out of the window in many ways; especially on the fta side of things. I just get so sick of ppl who pay peanuts, get all of these channels and complain about everything they dont have.

I bet you this much. The people who been around long enough aren't complaining about channel selection because they probably didn't lose much if any.

As for the public pay servers (because none of them are private), I never understood the reason to go with anyone else other than nfps and rocket anyway (for south). The price differences between them and most of the others are huge and the channel selection isn't much different. And trust me I am certainly not trying to push them or any other service on anyone. I know of a small group that keeps me happy. But I'm just saying.......chill out with the demans/complaints. One last bit. By far, the most important aspect of picking a public pay server, in my mind, isn't price or channel selection....its security. And if you doubt that just ask the d.a.'s and nex and certain resellers etc etc. Security trumps all

I agree security is all well and good. HOWEVER there has been some serious misrepresentation going on and there should be some clarity in regard to what is actually being purchased. Despite how good the DEAL is, people have a right to know WHAT they are buying. I'll provide a hypothetical example:

IF I were buying drugs on a street corner, I would like to know what it is exactly I am buying. The quality can be questionable, but the actual product shouldn't be.

This is an illegal transaction, however there are some basic rules of buying and selling that should be observed. Don't advertise what you don't really have. Don't sell the same thing twice and claim it is different. Don't advertise your product as one name and have it be a product that is already available. There is money being made or none of this would be happening. But the rules of the game need to be made clear to all that are participating. OR do you think we should all just be PIGEONS and hand our money over and STFU? If the P$ were doing what they do for altruistic reasons and were giving out free service that would be one thing. But by selling their "product" they are creating "consumers" who are going to want what they purchased and will eventually gravitate to the best product available. This is natural supply and demand. Whether it is buying cars or drugs, the same rules apply. Trying to obfuscate the situation by using terms like "hobby" and "illegal" are not really relevant.

Most folks on here ARE subscribers. I would hazard a guess that only a small percentage are actually able to point a dish. They let the providers do that for them. They are just looking for a little something extra. Not a pig in a poke. If you are reselling an existing service, let people know. It isn't rocket science. But it is deceptive.

If you agree please hit the thanks below.

[freeloader]

I agree there is alot of deception out there.Does anyone know which server or service is the safest to deal with?

[henpecked]

There's about 4 big players as the main pool

Some look after SD, some after HD, some after PPV and internationals...the others draw from a main pool

Why is this important?
You've already noticed it..no use going out and getting all kinds of backups..cause there really aren't any
I agree that...... live with it or get out...this is the only game in town
You've already seen how the channels are affected on every server...one goes down, they pretty well all go down
No deception..do your homework...easy to see what's happening

[NoName]

Well said. I see your point now and i do agree



I agree security is all well and good. HOWEVER there has been some serious misrepresentation going on and there should be some clarity in regard to what is actually being purchased. Despite how good the DEAL is, people have a right to know WHAT they are buying. I'll provide a hypothetical example:

IF I were buying drugs on a street corner, I would like to know what it is exactly I am buying. The quality can be questionable, but the actual product shouldn't be.

This is an illegal transaction, however there are some basic rules of buying and selling that should be observed. Don't advertise what you don't really have. Don't sell the same thing twice and claim it is different. Don't advertise your product as one name and have it be a product that is already available. There is money being made or none of this would be happening. But the rules of the game need to be made clear to all that are participating. OR do you think we should all just be PIGEONS and hand our money over and STFU? If the P$ were doing what they do for altruistic reasons and were giving out free service that would be one thing. But by selling their "product" they are creating "consumers" who are going to want what they purchased and will eventually gravitate to the best product available. This is natural supply and demand. Whether it is buying cars or drugs, the same rules apply. Trying to obfuscate the situation by using terms like "hobby" and "illegal" are not really relevant.

Most folks on here ARE subscribers. I would hazard a guess that only a small percentage are actually able to point a dish. They let the providers do that for them. They are just looking for a little something extra. Not a pig in a poke. If you are reselling an existing service, let people know. It isn't rocket science. But it is deceptive.

If you agree please hit the thanks below.

[henpecked]

There IS deception at hand, though:I point blank asked 2 "resellers" of services if they were resellers of a certain large iks provider,and they denied it.They claim to have their own network in place, and not associated with anyone else.The iks provider they buy from confirmed with me thay are in fact resellers of that service.I call that deception.Does it matter?You decide.
No honour amoungst thieves, I guess...
They do have their own network..They're just pulling from pool as others
You'd be hard pressed to find one totally independent server with all their own programming under the same roof
I'm not saying there isn't..I don't know of any...

[hondoharry]

The big danger here is having all the eggs in one basket. They hit the source seeders or they go out of business and we're all up the creek. Since all the P$ are mostly the same now, how can you have a backup? I'm making backup plans for ClaroTV on AMC 21 @ 125W (right next to 129). It's reachable in the eastern and gulf states as well as all over the Caribbean. Has the basic news, entertainment and educational channels in English plus the networks. Hope to be testing it soon.

[Kingdom]

and maybe DN is one of those big IKS guys ... :innocent:


I think you just came froma party.

[henpecked]

The big danger here is having all the eggs in one basket. They hit the source seeders or they go out of business and we're all up the creek. Since all the P$ are mostly the same now, how can you have a backup? I'm making backup plans for ClaroTV on AMC 21 @ 125W (right next to 129). It's reachable in the eastern and gulf states as well as all over the Caribbean. Has the basic news, entertainment and educational channels in English plus the networks. Hope to be testing it soon.

There ya go
With weekly hits..one week, 2 hits..there's no way they could all stay "independant'
The field will get smaller as these "hits" continue
Then, what do I know..pure speculation on my part

[no_piracy]

all are same ...today nfps or iksrocket freezing badly on 456 ... all my plumbers other servers also freezing @ same time... guess what my plumbers told me they all re-sharing ;););) nfps/iksrocket for cricket matches ....hihihi

[crazy carl]

Or there all useing the same seed

[zokii1983]

ufc tonight is proof of most things written in this post!!

there is no iks server with ufc hd open!!!

[jjfta1]

Sources tell me that at least two IKS servers have UFC in HD.

[dontoyou]

TUTU had UFC H.D.

[tbird686]

I have a question......nfps tends to freeze time to time and its a one time small fee a year. Do these other dn p$ who now want month to month charges....do they freeze just like nfps or rocket?

[mrpink]

I have a question......nfps tends to freeze time to time and its xx a year. Do these other dn p$ who now want xx to xx a month....do they freeze just like nfps or rocket?

loose the prices, not allowed in the open forum

[tbird686]

and so it as corrected......any feed back on my question?

[benfica]

Tbird ...Iks aint a sub !
Hope it answers ur question...

[tbird686]

i never asked or implied it was.....just the title of this thread is.... I believe they are all the same !! <br />
this is why i asked.....are they all related and just calling them different names.......i...

[Kingdom]

I have tried 2 different PS for north. One has more channels and occasionally freezing and the other one a few channels less and NEVER FREEZE. So they are not same.

[fastrman]

I have tried 2 different north. One has more channels and occasionally freezing and the other one a few channels less and NEVER FREEZE. So they are not same.

Maybe not the same for north. And no one implied that it was. Did you read the thread?

[fonger]

shall we put it to a vote? a poll? i can set one up... :)

[dishuser]

Maybe not the same for north. And no one implied that it was. Did you read the thread?

did you read your title or first post?
no mention of provider

[JCO]

This is all speculation. The PS operators have not come out and said they are using the same seeds.. No one has or will confirm or deny this rumor..

[henpecked]

I have tried 2 different PS for north. One has more channels and occasionally freezing and the other one a few channels less and NEVER FREEZE. So they are not same.


North is different than south
A lot more simple

No PPV, no Internationals
If I was so inclined..I could have server set up in 2 days
Although, I'm not so inclined

[Zongor]

North is different than south
A lot more simpleNo PPV, no Internationals
If I was so inclined..I could have server set up in 2 days
Although, I'm not so inclined

My plummer is inclined to believe you, the down patterns, freezing, outages, etc., are all too concurrent
to be a simple coincidence. Major factors seem to be attitude, reliability of resmeller, and rate. I am also
not inclined to north it up so keep me in mind for when you don't.
I don't have or watch tv, but if i did, i would not be interested so pm me.

Surprises me at how few or no actual private (and if its posted here its not private any more, end of story)
are out there. Must be more complex than hustling a few Motel "Service" Cards? Or perhaps not. Given that near
all "Motels" and such have fiber optics and "Service" cards, i can see why my plumber is inquisitive.

Happy New Year to all, great thread, just remember as my Plumber reminds me, its just a hobby . . . .

[henpecked]

Just so no one gets wrong idea..this is not advertising
I do not run a server...never will run a server...
Just like to dabble in the "gossip"


North is different than south
A lot more simple

No PPV, no Internationals
If I was so inclined..I could have server set up in 2 days
Although, I'm not so inclined

[henpecked]

There are private servers...invite only
Members have been together a long time..
Almost have to give first born to get in
Like you said, if you saw it here..it ain't private


My plummer is inclined to believe you, the down patterns, freezing, outages, etc., are all too concurrent
to be a simple coincidence. Major factors seem to be attitude, reliability of resmeller, and rate. I am also
not inclined to north it up so keep me in mind for when you don't.
I don't have or watch tv, but if i did, i would not be interested so pm me.

Surprises me at how few or no actual private (and if its posted here its not private any more, end of story)
are out there. Must be more complex than hustling a few Motel "Service" Cards? Or perhaps not. Given that near
all "Motels" and such have fiber optics and "Service" cards, i can see why my plumber is inquisitive.

Happy New Year to all, great thread, just remember as my Plumber reminds me, its just a hobby . . . .

[fastrman]

This is all speculation. The PS operators have not come out and said they are using the same seeds.. No one has or will confirm or deny this rumor..


Any chance we can get an "UNOFFICIAL" list of providers and their associations....since they are not very forthright? I say if you have circumstantial proof that one P$ is seeded by another, we should make those associations known. That way no one wastes money buying what they think is backup and instead end up with useless duplication.

[mrpink]

Any chance we can get an "UNOFFICIAL" list of providers and their associations....since they are not very forthright? I say if you have circumstantial proof that one P$ is seeded by another, we should make those associations known. That way no one wastes money buying what they think is backup and instead end up with useless duplication.

Probably not a good chance of getting that info.
If you are interested in a server, ask the reseller if its the same as being sold already on the forum. Know others who have asked and did get an honest answer. Even then, sign up for a month, try it out, if the ip is same as one you already have, know its not worth wile resigning. In this game, its up to the buyer to do the research, ask the right questions, and do the "testing". Might not be the answer you were looking for, but then again, maybe if it wasn't, iks isn't for you.

[crazy carl]

It is a very intresting game that is being played, do all iks servers out there use the same seeds..who knows..will peeps ever know, probably not as i assume it is a need to know baises. Only those who really know and understand what is going on and how this all works knows. Truely private severs sure do exisit, only there not for public iks there simple CS amoungst friends. A group of buddies or friends and family split a sub amoungst theremselves with a friend tech savy enough to understand how it works. Those are your true private servers fella's, anything more and it just becomes public.

[Kingdom]

Now hd ppv is up on satlobo and ultimate ( may be some other servers too) at the same time.

Reff: this forum

[xopt1js]

So assuming these are all the same, can anyone say with any certainty which one is the cheapest?

[mrpink]

So assuming these are all the same, can anyone say with any certainty which one is the cheapest?

so going with your assumption, there is a magical seeder farm set up in location x. even is that assumption is correct, there is more to it then that. there would be other servers set up by the different p$ to stream the information. so even if the source is the same, the servers that you connect to could and probably would be different. if they were all the same, why do certain ones freeze while others do not?
anyone who has been around iks knows the cheapest is nfsp or rocket, but there is a saying, you get what you pay for. keep that in mind.
your best bet it to try a couple out and find one you are happy with.

[tpboles22]

Now hd ppv is up on satlobo and ultimate ( may be some other servers too) at the same time.

Reff: this forum

Rocket also has HD PPV up.

[Kingdom]

Rocket also has HD PPV up.

Nfps has hd ppv up.

[Sp0iler]

Nfps has hd ppv up.

Nfps and Rocket are one and the same.....

[ranger]

................Cancel

[hondoharry]

It wasn't always this way. The different servers (except NFPS/Rocket) had different channels down or open at different times. PPV movies/events were sometimes a little different. Now they're all the same so something changed. Here's what I think. The ECM's have knocked out so many cards and it's difficult/costly to keep replacing so they basically went out of the server business and converted to re-directors/resellers of one source. Your guess which one. It's better than shutting off their subs. I don't have a problem with that. We got TV, that's what counts.

Lots of folks talking about a backup. Well I've seen a great one on Claro TV (Puerto Rico) @ 125W. Footprint for the eastern US and gulf states and south. Not much in Canada I'm afraid. Nagra 3, IKS required. Good channel lineup including networks.

[ferscar]

I have been at a friends home this weekend and this is likely as much proof that they The Same as anyone will find !!! He has Rocket, Fish and TuTu and all are missing his South Ch's 206 fox and cnbc 208 .... If anyone has these, you should post and we will see if there is a difference !!!!!!Well there are some differences because this my friend A, has Rocket and Fish, and since last thursday the internationals he normaly watches have been down. My friend B has some kind of dynsite.nt that still up without any freezing and Fish that is down.

[DJ_MiX]

I'm sure they all the same. they are setup similar to torrent sites.

[Kingdom]

Welcome to satfix DJ_MiX

[ranger]

Back at my friends home today and the same still exists !!!!!! ..........I have been at a friends home this weekend and this is likely as much proof that they The Same as anyone will find !!! He has Rocket, Fish and TuTu and all are missing his South Ch's 206 fox and cnbc 208 .... If anyone has these, you should post and we will see if there is a difference !!!!!!

[Sp0iler]

I hear they are Open and working on Beaver TV .
If one provider gets hit... they all get hit.
The question is, how fast can one recover.
Providers with a good source for cams will be back up before others. Providers that have a weak source for cams have to wait for new ones to arrive and that takes time.Sometimes, by the time the new cams arrive, another Ecm has already taken out either the same or other channels requiring yet another round of cams and another wait for viewers.
Some do indeed share... others are completely on their own equipment and cams.

Happy viewing,
Sp0iler

Added: Just wanted to throw this food for thought into the equation.... Most believe the sharers are feeding off Nfps. Nfps does not offer Bev..... .

[Kingdom]

Couple of days ago nfps opened most of hd movie ppv. Now its all gone. I hope on other servers do the same.
When hd movie ppv was open, it was open on all servers at same time.

[fastrman]

so going with your assumption, there is a magical seeder farm set up in location x. even is that assumption is correct, there is more to it then that. there would be other servers set up by the different p$ to stream the information. so even if the source is the same, the servers that you connect to could and probably would be different. if they were all the same, why do certain ones freeze while others do not?
anyone who has been around iks knows the cheapest is nfsp or rocket, but there is a saying, you get what you pay for. keep that in mind.
your best bet it to try a couple out and find one you are happy with.

It is my belief that there are at best 3 actual seed servers. Then there are a slew of copycat servers. Now some of these copycat servers appear to be getting seeds from more than one server. This would explain the slight differences in channels (ie 1 to 2 channels that are up but down on others).

[crazy carl]

Couple of days ago nfps opened most of hd movie ppv. Now its all gone. I hope on other servers do the same.
When hd movie ppv was open, it was open on all servers at same time.

the milk man told me that on fridays and satrudays HD ppv's are open now for the time being

[iq180]

if you are going to play the iks game you need to learn how to play it, if you are in the north you need to get a sub for B3V as a backup, if you are in the U.S. get one for DN as a back up.
next thing is iks and how to pay for it, use W.U. or a prepaid visa card that cant be traced back to you.
next,dont buy more than one iks code for each provider that you want, if you buy more than one and they all go done at the same time it is a wast of money, use that money to buy iks for more than one provider, in the north you can get iks for DN & B3v,
in the us you can buy iks for DN & satmex/ claro, Think Safty First, then think about what you want and how to get it.JMO.

[Kingdom]

I know one guy here a reseller but he claim him self as a guy deal with cards and other stuffs. His mirror server connected to more than one seed server.


It is my belief that there are at best 3 actual seed servers. Then there are a slew of copycat servers. Now some of these copycat servers appear to be getting seeds from more than one server. This would explain the slight differences in channels (ie 1 to 2 channels that are up but down on others).

[stevenbayrak]

It is interesting to see new resellers pop up all the time but I never know who they resell for (and even if I asked, I doubt I would get the honest answer). It would be nice to see who's feeding from who as it wouldn't be a good idea to sign up with another reseller that's seling the same service.

[fastrman]

It is interesting to see new resellers pop up all the time but I never know who they resell for (and even if I asked, I doubt I would get the honest answer). It would be nice to see who's feeding from who as it wouldn't be a good idea to sign up with another reseller that's seling the same service.

That is the main problem. You will never be told who they are selling for. And more than once I have been told that the server was an independent server and I would see the ip address of a server I already had (also same des key and same port) AFTER I purchased ! The problem is NO ONE knows what server are what. When the same channel is missing on a majority of servers, you have to wonder if they are all seeded from the same source. However I occasionally see a channel open on one server that isnt on another. So how these resellers are getting seeds and how they are able to combine more than one seed is a mystery that they are profiting on. If you are in the dark, they are able to sell without having to answer any tough questions....like what are you selling. I'll say it again, even when buying something illegally like drugs on a street corner, the purchaser has some right to know what they are buying. If I buy coke from you and it is meth, then that is a problem. If it is just bad coke, then buyer beware. Same goes for P$'s. Dont advertise as a different server and then resell an existing service. Especially when there are many who buy more than one server for backup.

[Anubis]

That is the main problem. You will never be told who they are selling for. And more than once I have been told that the server was an independent server and I would see the ip address of a server I already had (also same des key and same port) AFTER I purchased ! The problem is NO ONE knows what server are what. When the same channel is missing on a majority of servers, you have to wonder if they are all seeded from the same source. However I occasionally see a channel open on one server that isnt on another. So how these resellers are getting seeds and how they are able to combine more than one seed is a mystery that they are profiting on. If you are in the dark, they are able to sell without having to answer any tough questions....like what are you selling. I'll say it again, even when buying something illegally like drugs on a street corner, the purchaser has some right to know what they are buying. If I buy coke from you and it is meth, then that is a problem. If it is just bad coke, then buyer beware. Same goes for P$'s. Dont advertise as a different server and then resell an existing service. Especially when there are many who buy more than one server for backup.

If you're buying coke then I sure as heck hope you can spot the difference between crystals and powder. If not then you shouldn't be buying in the first place.:yes:

[skyhawk]

i agreed with this topic long ago.

[ftaalltheway]

It is interesting to see new resellers pop up all the time but I never know who they resell for (and even if I asked, I doubt I would get the honest answer). It would be nice to see who's feeding from who as it wouldn't be a good idea to sign up with another reseller that's seling the same service.

now wheres DT when we need him? hahaha

for those who dont know who DT is? he was the dude who owned
nfusion dot org...(Dish Tester) his real name escapes me right now
BUT, he used to test everything that was coming out
and then tell the members whats what b4 we considered purchasing
ie; dongles, irds etc etc...and guess what, HE was the one who
started talk about IKS2 which is what these (p$) are and he even said
they will be by "donations"

hmmmm wonder how he's doing these days,,, the smart cookie,,,lol

but for sure this game has changed...for the best?? well, i get TV and
THAT is bottom line
i just learned very quick there is NO more such thing as a legit back up
to any of these, other than subbing of course,,,no matter how much homework one does, your still
always in doubt,,,stick with it though,,,just be wise

[tbird686]

i was wondering a while back about all this.....but i have come to terms like santa once you find out he's not real then its not so fun......just buy safe read the forms for the good servers and enjoy it while it lasts......

[alex70olds]

now wheres DT when we need him? hahaha

for those who dont know who DT is? he was the dude who owned
nfusion dot org...(Dish Tester) his real name escapes me right now
BUT, he used to test everything that was coming out
and then tell the members whats what b4 we considered purchasing
ie; dongles, irds etc etc...and guess what, HE was the one who
started talk about IKS2 which is what these (p$) are and he even said
they will be by "donations"

hmmmm wonder how he's doing these days,,, the smart cookie,,,lol

but for sure this game has changed...for the best?? well, i get TV and
THAT is bottom line
i just learned very quick there is NO more such thing as a legit back up
to any of these, other than subbing of course,,,no matter how much homework one does, your still
always in doubt,,,stick with it though,,,just be wise


On March 10, 2010, NagraStar LLC, DISH Network L.L.C. and EchoStar Technologies L.L.C. filed suit against Robert Kluver [aka DishTester], Leona Broda, and currentbins for, among other things, engaging in piracy of DISH Network programming, distributing pirate software, and for their involvement in IKS piracy.

The United States District Court for the District of Maryland entered a temporary restraining order against Kluver, Broda and currentbins.com and ordered the United States Marshals Service to seize defendants’ computers, piracy-related materials, receivers, and related equipment. The seizure was successfully executed on March 23, 2010.

Operation of defendants’ websites has also been restrained by the court and defendants have transferred the below websites to plaintiffs.? ?


I guess smart and IKS dont necessarily go together lol. :rolleyes::yes:

[ftaalltheway]

I guess smart and IKS dont necessarily go together lol. :rolleyes::yes:

smart in a sense he knows much more about this hobby than most of us
and prob knows how this game is NOW played with all these p$

NOT so smart when he was nabbed and was not secure, ,, i get that,,,lol

[dishuser]

smart in a sense he knows much more about this hobby than most of us
and prob knows how this game is NOW played with all these p$

NOT so smart when he was nabbed and was not secure, ,, i get that,,,lolbull
he knew nothing
he copied site names for traffic
he wasn't the first to talk about anything
and if he was so smart why did he make a video showing his real info on the package?

[Kingdom]

I think it goes together. I have recorded in my 450 GB harddisk drive tons of programs.I have no time to watch those. When it black out turn on the PVR. News or weather channels don't bother me.

[JCO]

bull
he knew nothing
he copied site names for traffic
he wasn't the first to talk about anything
and if he was so smart why did he make a video showing his real info on the package?

Was that the guy with all the status lights for all the receivers... Ya I remember that unwrapping in the video.. It was almost as memorable of another web cowboy that had video reviews of receivers with a bottle of booze in the background.. I'm sure you will post his name ..LOL
A bunch of attention getters.. Those that know the most talk the least.

[ftaalltheway]

bull
he knew nothing
he copied site names for traffic
he wasn't the first to talk about anything
and if he was so smart why did he make a video showing his real info on the package?

all i know is HE was the first to talk about IKS2,,,which was more to
my main point,,,i lurked all FTA sites back then,,,
so
unless and until you can point to another dude?? i stand BY that statement

i dont need to repeat what i meant about, smart, in above post,,, do i?

sounds like you have a prob with him,,,yet when others talked about rm, just as one example,
or others like him who were indeed SMART in this hobby BUT
werent secure??? some here poopoo all over those peeps,,,wonder why??

edit; so were clear,,,back in the haydays,,,no one ever thought DN was going to have
the powers to shut them down,,,im sure he would take different approach
knowing what he knows NOW,,,just an observation

[dishuser]

all i know is HE was the first to talk about IKS2,,,which was more to
my main point,,,i lurked all FTA sites back then,,,
so
unless and until you can point to another dude?? i stand BY that statement

i dont need to repeat what i meant about, smart, in above post,,, do i?

sounds like you have a prob with him,,,yet when others talked about rm, just as one example,
or others like him who were indeed SMART in this hobby BUT
werent secure??? some here poopoo all over those peeps,,,wonder why??

edit; so were clear,,,back in the haydays,,,no one ever thought DN was going to have
the powers to shut them down,,,im sure he would take different approach
knowing what he knows NOW,,,just an observation
then why under his iks status did he call cnx team rotten?
answer...he was an idiot who knew squat

[JCO]

then why under his iks status did he call cnx team rotten?
answer...he was an idiot who knew squat

RM never called cnx team rotten..ROFLMAO

[fta]

all i know is HE was the first to talk about IKS2,,,which was more to
my main point,,,i lurked all FTA sites back then,,,
so
unless and until you can point to another dude?? i stand BY that statement

i dont need to repeat what i meant about, smart, in above post,,, do i?

sounds like you have a prob with him,,,yet when others talked about rm, just as one example,
or others like him who were indeed SMART in this hobby BUT
werent secure??? some here poopoo all over those peeps,,,wonder why??

edit; so were clear,,,back in the haydays,,,no one ever thought DN was going to have
the powers to shut them down,,,im sure he would take different approach
knowing what he knows NOW,,,just an observation


if i am not mistaken a company by the name of nfusion was doing this 2 years before him and got busted with the cards so how could he not know...
... and iks has been in europe for a decade or so ... i dont think he added much to what was already known

/end hijack

[ftaalltheway]

then why under his iks status did he call cnx team rotten?
answer...he was an idiot who knew squat

i hear ya,,,not picking fight or choosing sides,,,its clear
you knew him better than i did,,,i was joking when i said where he is
cuz HE would be one who can clear this up about these p$ and sharing seeds
and leeching and all that,,,that was a guess based on how he talked about IKS2
even b4 NFPS came along,,,does that mean he is NOT smart or SMART???
i guess i know where YOU stand,,,i respect THAT,,,cheers

[JCO]

i hear ya,,,not picking fight or choosing sides,,,its clear
you knew him better than i did,,,i was joking when i said where he is
cuz HE would be one who can clear this up about these p$ and sharing seeds
and leeching and all that,,,that was a guess based on how he talked about IKS2
even b4 NFPS came along,,,does that mean he is NOT smart or SMART???
i guess i know where YOU stand,,,i respect THAT,,,cheers

When he posted about the so called IKS2, the N3 was about to be released and the only option was a clone of nf's suns or iks.. It was obvious that that was the way it would go and its what everyone was talking about.. All he did was a poor impersonation of a parrot and posted it at his site..
You cant say he was smart with all the careless actions he took.. He was a high profile wanabee..

[dishuser]

i hear ya,,,not picking fight or choosing sides,,,its clear
you knew him better than i did,,,i was joking when i said where he is
cuz HE would be one who can clear this up about these p$ and sharing seeds
and leeching and all that,,,that was a guess based on how he talked about IKS2
even b4 NFPS came along,,,does that mean he is NOT smart or SMART???
i guess i know where YOU stand,,,i respect THAT,,,cheersthere was public iks before paid ;)

[lopeztiti]

not all some don t even have bev 82 and 91.

[lacoster7]

does,t mean anything.
Most are leaching from one to other.
It all depends on their linux server setup, they can remap that channels or other.
But some are just resellers, example nfps and rocket.

Big prime server for IKS has usually over 100 cards, usually one card for each transponder.

And rest are just leaches.

~~~~~~~~~~
In euroland it is distributed card sharring, you click on one channel and at least 10 seeders are ready to send you CW.
~~~~~~~~~
Here in north america, peps are much dumber, thats why there is need for centralized IKS servers.
So idiot windows clickers, click on one server.

[fta]

does,t mean anything.
Most are leaching from one to other.
It all depends on their linux server setup, they can remap that channels or other.
But some are just resellers, example nfps and rocket.

Big prime server for IKS has usually over 100 cards, usually one card for each transponder.

And rest are just leaches.

~~~~~~~~~~
In euroland it is distributed card sharring, you click on one channel and at least 10 seeders are ready to send you CW.
~~~~~~~~~
Here in north america, peps are much dumber, thats why there is need for centralized IKS servers.
So idiot windows clickers, click on one server.

i dont think it is ppl are dumbe r.. i think this is still new to ppl in northamerica and they are learnign by mistakes ... and lawsuits.... give it 2 or 3 more years and IF the card isnt completely comprimised the iks will become more private like europe as well

[Fishbum]

Yesterday my sat went down only Ch. in the 9,000's were working (I won't say name of server I was on) but on 110,119,129. .. ... so I thought I test one month of a different server, they state 110,119,129 also. Codes arrived quickly, completely different codes from the server I was using.. tested this new server, it was down also!! only Ch. in the 9,000's were working same as the my original server! LOL... I was toggling between servers and checking channels.. seems to be the same servers!
This morning I checked again.. both servers were still down.. later this morning I checked and both were back up at the same time.!
Checking channels between the two... same channels up on both servers.. and same channels that are down are the same on both servers I'm testing..! I believe they are the same also! just as this thread is titled.

[janusz]

This is true.I also have two server and bouth have the same ch. up or down always the same time.

[jjfta1]

Sad but true. So the real question is what to do about it? Not much really. Just try different IKS providers and see which ones work the best for what you want to watch the most. When it comes to IKS providers, there is no: "One size fits all".

[Kingdom]

We could see resellers leeching from the seed servers. when they leech like this do they buy the seed server or steal from someones hardwork?