need help re-doing my setup switch lnb help please?

[sevx007]

i used to use dish 500 dp pro quad lnb direct to 4x1 to fta box bird 119 and 110 signal quality in 80 to 90% and was happy.
i decided to upgrade to hd . got jynxbox v3 and dish turbo hd with 1000.2 and a dp44 switch thanks to the great work here by many members . i set this up and got 119 +110+129 it works but signal quality is in 60% area . new England weather is harsh and i keep having problems in bad weather . this was not a problem with my old dish 500 dp pro quad .
so decided to start over

so i set up 3 dishes
1 turbo dish hd 1000.2 middle lnb pointed at 129
1 dish 500 using dp pro quad lnb pointed at 119 + 110
1 dish 500 using dp plus duel lnb pointed at 91
i tried to use the dp44 switch by puting 119 in port 1 110 in port 2 from dp pro quad
then the middle lnb from 1000.2 to port 3 of dp44 for 129 ,and finaly the dpplus duel lnb to port4 on dp44 for91.

this set up failed all signal quality when each lnb is conected to jynxbox direct is in 90% but when i go through switch some dont even read or come up .
i believe the dp pro quad and the dp44 dont like each other so im willing to swap the dp pro quad with the dp plus duel lnb so i point one at 91 the other to 119+110.

i want to keep using dp44 switch with the setup as i have my old sonic view premier kicking around and would like to use it in second room . also because the power the lnb 's need as dp44 has power inserter .
i have been a member for 4-5 years hope i'm posting this in right place and thank u for the great work.
please help me with sugestions for this setup . the 3 dishes r pointed all i need to know how to wire them .
i'm willing to buy another dp plus duel lnb or another switch just not sure what i need and how to lay it out.

[Terryl]

That setup will not work.

The Dish 1000 LNB has it's own internal switch, and will conflict with the other DP44 switch, to do this with 3 dishes you will need a single DP dual LNB on a dish pointing at 129W.

Then 2 DP duals on the dish 500 pointing at 110/119.

Then the setup for 92 with the DP dual will work as is.


Wiring.
One lead to the DP44 switch #1 LNB in port from the 119 LNB.
One lead to the DP44 switch #2 LNB in port from the 110 LNB.
One lead to the DP44 switch #3 LNB in port from the 129 LNB.
One lead to the DP44 switch #4 LNB in port from the 91 LNB.

One lead from the DP44 switches power inserter to the #1 receiver port on the switch, by it's self.

The other 3 receiver ports on the Dp44 switch will then run the other receivers just fine.

Diseqc switching is,
Diseqc port # 1= 119W, Diseqc port # 2= 110W, Diseqc port # 3= 129W, Diseqc port # 4= 91W

[sevx007]

thank u
so my problem all along was the 1000.2 internal switch throwing things off.
so ill go ahead and purchase a DP dual LNB and a bracket swap it out with the 1000.2 lnb on super hd dish .and toss away the 1000.2.
point that dish again to 129.
then my dp pro quad to 110 and 119
finaly my third dish using dish pro plus twin lnbf to 91

wire it back up as instructed above and i should be all done correct?

[Mavrick]

The DPP44 will turn off the internal switch on the 1000.2 so all he would have to do is properly aim the 1000.2 to get 110, 119, 129 and run that LNB in to the DPP44. Then use a SW-21 or 22Khz switch (1 for each receiver) to add in the DP Pro Quad for the 91 & 82 sats to the receiver.

And if you wanted to make it even simpler, you can use a single DP LNB instead of the Twin for just 91 as you mentioned, and run it into port 4 on the DPP44 so only 1 switch and 2 dishes are needed.


That setup will not work.

The Dish 1000 LNB has it's own internal switch, and will conflict with the other DP44 switch, to do this with 3 dishes you will need a single DP dual LNB on a dish pointing at 129W.

Then 2 DP duals on the dish 500 pointing at 110/119.

Then the setup for 92 with the DP dual will work as is.


Wiring.
One lead to the DP44 switch #1 LNB in port from the 119 LNB.
One lead to the DP44 switch #2 LNB in port from the 110 LNB.
One lead to the DP44 switch #3 LNB in port from the 129 LNB.
One lead to the DP44 switch #4 LNB in port from the 91 LNB.

One lead from the DP44 switches power inserter to the #1 receiver port on the switch, by it's self.

The other 3 receiver ports on the Dp44 switch will then run the other receivers just fine.

Diseqc switching is,
Diseqc port # 1= 119W, Diseqc port # 2= 110W, Diseqc port # 3= 129W, Diseqc port # 4= 91W

[Terryl]

thank u
so my problem all along was the 1000.2 internal switch throwing things off.
so ill go ahead and purchase a DP dual LNB and a bracket swap it out with the 1000.2 lnb on super hd dish .and toss away the 1000.2.
point that dish again to 129.
then my dp pro quad to 110 and 119
finaly my third dish using dish pro plus twin lnbf to 91

wire it back up as instructed above and i should be all done correct?

You won't need a special bracket on the D1000 dish, the DP dual single LNB will fit right in the center hole were the triple head LNB was.

You cant use the DP quad LNB, it also has an internal switch, it's best to use two DP duals. for 110/119.

On the dish for 92, again use a DP dual LNB.

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And Mavrick, the DP44 switch will only turn off the internal switching on the D1000 LNB if both are hooked into a dish receiver, if using a FTA receiver only, then there will still be 22 KHz identification signals coming from the D1000 LNB that could confuse the switching.

When a Dish receiver does a switch check it will find out what is connected, and shut down what is not needed, it has the internal software to do this, a Dish receiver will detect the DP44 switch and the internal switch on the D1000 LNB (also the DP twin internal switch) and turn it off, the DP44 switch alone dose not have software in it to do this, and Dish only uses the DP 44 switch on the D1000 setup when more then 3 (Dish) receivers are being used.


And being in the New England area he may need a bigger dish for 129W, 129 has a funny footprint, **** I out here on the central West coast need a bigger dish for 129W so have gone to the split system, a Dish 500 with DP duals on it for 110/119 and a 33" dish with a DP dual on it for 129, this run into a DP44 switch cascaded with a second DP44 switch to run all of my receivers.

Most FTA receivers (if not all the new ones) don't have this software to detect the type of switch and LNB attached, they barley have enough software to get the things working right, this is why lots are having problems using the D1000 LNB combined with some switches.(on the newer receivers)


**** Look here for the footprint on 129W, use the CONUS beam as the Canadian beam is not active.

http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?norad=33453

If you zoom in and click on your location it will give you an estimated dish size needed for that satellite.

[Mavrick]

Really, that's strange, I (and alot of other people) have been telling people to hook the 1000.2 into a DPP44 with an FTA receiver for years and there has never been a problem.



UPDATE.....

SEVX007, seems there is some new technology out now that might not work with the setup I mentioned, if you have older DP equipment (and fancy yourself a tester) you could try what I suggested and see if it will work for you, if not then run with what Terry advised.


You won't need a special bracket on the D1000 dish, the DP dual single LNB will fit right in the center hole were the triple head LNB was.

You cant use the DP quad LNB, it also has an internal switch, it's best to use two DP duals. for 110/119.

On the dish for 92, again use a DP dual LNB.

.................................................. .................................................. ......................

And Mavrick, the DP44 switch will only turn off the internal switching on the D1000 LNB if both are hooked into a dish receiver, if using a FTA receiver only, then there will still be 22 KHz identification signals coming from the D1000 LNB that could confuse the switching.

When a Dish receiver does a switch check it will find out what is connected, and shut down what is not needed, it has the internal software to do this, a Dish receiver will detect the DP44 switch and the internal switch on the D1000 LNB (also the DP twin internal switch) and turn it off, the DP44 switch alone dose not have software in it to do this, and Dish only uses the DP 44 switch on the D1000 setup when more then 3 (Dish) receivers are being used.


And being in the New England area he may need a bigger dish for 129W, 129 has a funny footprint, **** I out here on the central West coast need a bigger dish for 129W so have gone to the split system, a Dish 500 with DP duals on it for 110/119 and a 33" dish with a DP dual on it for 129, this run into a DP44 switch cascaded with a second DP44 switch to run all of my receivers.

Most FTA receivers (if not all the new ones) don't have this software to detect the type of switch and LNB attached, they barley have enough software to get the things working right, this is why lots are having problems using the D1000 LNB combined with some switches.(on the newer receivers)


**** Look here for the footprint on 129W, use the CONUS beam as the Canadian beam is not active.

http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?norad=33453

If you zoom in and click on your location it will give you an estimated dish size needed for that satellite.