Card sharing to go down?

[helsan]

I read in another forum that cards sharing will go down soon.
This would explain why a lot of IKS providers are lowering their prices for a year plan.

Recommendation is to go month by month.

Could this be related to a nerw Nagra4 version? Or some other counter measure from DN and B3V?

[kijiji]

Well at least you posted in the rumor section were it belongs with the rest of the bull chit lol.

[scooby8888]

if I had a nickel .................... :)

[zelig]

change the keys faster than you can get them via iks

[zoogor]

the prices keep going down because there are so many different services coming into play. personally, i think your crazy to buy a year sub. any more than 3 months is pretty risky i think.

[filippo]

Com-on man this has been the same for more then 1 year

[Dekkard]

where is this coming from....is there a card exchange happening or soon to happen??

[tito2020]

Technology always changes.

[tubbs]

I'm up....

I tried just to reset the box....

it worked...

[thebeav]

there is a new card out for south provider

it may or may not be working right now

this is why your seeing new rumors

what dont work today may work tomorrow u never know what can happen over night

[Midnight Rider]

IRG= Satellite Interference Reduction Group
Industry outlines efforts to stop 'key sharing'

As many of us have been unable to attend the IRG Annual Conference, here is a sampling of what occurred at the event during Day 2.

One part of Day 1 involved asking participants what they hoped to learn from the conference. One thing that cropped up was understanding IRG’s role in interference prevention. Therefore, Day 2 kicked off with an explanation of how IRG works and how it fits in with other groups, such as GVF and RFI-EUI.


Martin Coleman explained that IRG is a platform to help unite the industry and drive it forward with key initiatives aimed at reducing satellite interference. It requires the support of the industry and other groups to make that happen. He went on to clarify that each of these groups has a separate remit: for IRG it is about technology, such as Carrier ID, Smarter Hub Systems, and Geolocation, whereas GVF focuses on training, best practices, type approvals and regulation. However, these initiatives need to work in conjunction with each other to be truly successful so collaboration with other groups is at the heart of IRG’s mission.


We then heard from Galeno Garbe Ferreira from Nagra who discussed the rather complicated challenge of handling Direct to Home (DTH) encryption key sharing and video piracy. He concentrated on Satellite Key Sharing (SKS) and explained that the pirates take out short term subscriptions just to keep hold of the equipment and then operate using pirated keys being transmitted over a separate data channel. They also are involved with reselling and distribution of counterfeit equipment. He further explained how they are using a new SKS Tool to capture and analyze key data which they can provide to both the affected satellite operator and authorities.


Felipe de Senna Silva Araujo from Sky TV took the discussion into the legal aspects of piracy and explained that there is current legislation in many countries across Latin America, but not all, to stop transmission of these keys. He cited a number of projects, which have taken place over the past year to take action against the resellers and distributors of this equipment in a number of locations across Latin America, including Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay, Peru, Chile, and Argentina. This included a number of firsts, including the first ever FTA action in Uruguay, which involved the destruction of 10,000 FTAs.


Carlos Flores, SatMex, then presented a number of statistics relating to the last 12 months of interference instances for SatMex. This was followed by a Telesat case study by Gordon Jarvis relating to cross-pol clean-up of Anik-G1 (caused by the lack of cross-pol transponders the co-located Anik-F1R), and insights from Paulo Bertram of StarOne into the regulatory environment and shared terrestrial C-band spectrum issues. Paulo made the point that the industry must work together in order to protect C-band.


The afternoon discussions started with a presentation from Pablo Esposito of Encompass TIBA about rare ionospheric scintillation at high look angles, random disturbance of the power received from the satellite due to diffraction of the Ionosphere. He explained that it is caused by solar flare activity and in rare cases severe solar activity can also affect the power received by the satellite affecting all downlink sites.


As has become a popular event at IRG’s annual conference, SES and Eutelsat again teamed up for a joint presentation by Russ Hogan (SES) and Andreas Voigt (Eutelsat) about working together to resolve interference. Russ commented that collaboration begins right at the very start of an interference instance. The pair went on to detail a number of interference instances where collaboration between the satellite operators has been crucial to its resolution.


Mike Felix (SAT Corporation) then took the floor, albeit remotely via Internet connection, to talk the audience through a number of case studies of deliberate interference which were identified using Geolocation techniques. The day closed following another two case studies, one about VSAT retransmission, presented by Cesar Lopez (SatMex) and another joint presentation on radar interference by Patty Harrison (Intelsat) and Andreas Voigt (Eutelsat).


All in all day 2 has been a day of education, and sharing of knowledge and experience. Tomorrow we will be hearing from IRG’s three working groups about their objectives, achievements to date and next steps, as well as getting an update on training and certification from the Global VSAT Forum.


Time will tell if there is a new card released , that the seeder,canot use ,with new Technology changing everyday

[folcan99]

there is a new card out for south provider

it may or may not be working right now

this is why your seeing new rumors

what dont work today may work tomorrow u never know what can happen over night

I can confirm this as I was talking to another PS whom I have service with and told me the same thing, new cards are being distributed but wont know in about 4-6 months if they are able to continue.

[RVD420]

I can confirm this as I was talking to another PS whom I have service with and told me the same thing, new cards are being distributed but wont know in about 4-6 months if they are able to continue.

I have seen some G4 cards in new boxes, but have not seen or heard from a first hand source that new cards have been received in the mail. The new cards could be similar to what we saw with N1 (Rom 2,3,10,and 11). It could be possible that the new cards just have all the existing updates, plus some minor revisions, however still be N3.

[Dekkard]

so what are we talking about here 9 - 12 months tops or more or less before we see interruptions in the current iks system??

[Anubis]

so what are we talking about here 9 - 12 months tops or more or less before we see interruptions in the current iks system??
Even a magic 8 ball cannot answer your question.

[kenkell1]

ut ohhhh, is the sky falling again? :tehe:

[robz2801]

bump bump bump

[oinkers]

Yes there's a new white card out. Yes there's N4. With N3 not even cracked doubt they will worry much about it. I could be wrong.

[dslchome]

I read in another forum that cards sharing will go down soon.
This would explain why a lot of IKS providers are lowering their prices for a year plan.

Recommendation is to go month by month.

Could this be related to a nerw Nagra4 version? Or some other counter measure from DN and B3V?

Are you talking about AnyCast?

That is suppose to STOP IKS / CWS / Cardshare

[Nanochickin]

We had this in Europe with the providers Spain's Digital+, Portugal's TV Cabo and Romanians Digi TV. When they switched to Nagra 3 Kudelski were telling everyone that the new N3 cards couldn't be shared.

Within 3 weeks of the new cards coming out they were being shared again. Its pointless saying anything until the screens go black.

Sky Italia thought they had stopped card sharing of their NDS cards a few weeks ago, That didn't last long either.

The biggest Joke was Viaccess TPSCrypt, That ended up putting French Provider TPS out of business. It was later taken over by Canal+ who were TPS's competitor in France,

If man can make it there will always be someone that can break it.

Nano

[teamwork000]

Are you talking about AnyCast?

That is suppose to STOP IKS / CWS / Cardshare

DISH and NAGRA redefine pay TV content security with launch of NAGRA anyCAST COMMAND Biggest fundamental change in content security technology since the launch of digital TV in the 1990s
Innovative new security client secures CAS and video descrambling in a single device, thereby preventing new forms of piracy and paving the way for ultra-secure 4K services
EchoStar Technologies will be first to integrate anyCAST COMMAND
Amsterdam, The Netherlands – September 12, 2014 – NAGRA, the digital TV division of the Kudelski Group (SIX:KUD.S) and the world's leading independent provider of content protection and multiscreen television solutions, today announced that DISH Network L.L.C will be the first customer to deploy NAGRA anyCAST COMMAND, NAGRA’s revolutionary new security technology that defeats popular forms of piracy like control word sharing and paves the way for ultra-secure 4K services. The new technology is being developed in close cooperation with EchoStar Technologies L.L.C. (“EchoStar”), a wholly-owned subsidiary of EchoStar Corporation, which will be the first set-top box partner to integrate the new technology into its boxes.
anyCAST COMMAND, part of NAGRA’s comprehensive new anyCAST Security Services Platform, changes the paradigm for content security by concentrating both decryption and descrambling into a single, secure NAGRA device. Since the launch of digital TV in the 1990’s, these functions have occurred in two separate devices, namely the Conditional Access vendor’s smart card and the set-top box chipset. This separation of key security elements has led in recent years to new forms of piracy like Control Word Sharing (CWS) that have had a significant negative impact on pay-TV service providers. The unification of decryption and descrambling into a single piece of silicon produced by a security expert like NAGRA not only exponentially increases the security of the CAS system, but also simplifies integration by reducing much of the STB testing and certification that was required when these two elements were separated.
“With this introduction of anyCAST COMMAND at DISH, EchoStar and NAGRA take the decisive lead in providing the highest level of end-to-end content security available on the market today,” said Maurice van Riek, senior vice president, head of content and asset security for NAGRA. “To date, the fight against Control Word Sharing has been a cat-and-mouse game with global pirate networks, which are increasingly sophisticated in their operations. NAGRA’s new approach takes full ownership and responsibility for content security within a single architecture in order to deliver a definitive knock-out punch to this type of piracy by protecting the Control Word by design.”
"As one of the leading pay-TV providers in the world, we constantly look to protect our content and network,” said Vivek Khemka, senior vice president, product management, DISH. “That’s why we decided – as part of our partnership with EchoStar and NAGRA – to deploy a radically different kind of technology, anyCAST COMMAND, to help protect our service and revenues.”
anyCAST COMMAND, in addition to eliminating CWS, will ensure pay-TV service providers are prepared for a potential future launch of 4K-UltraHD services by supporting a variety of different watermarking schemes, a key requirement of the MovieLabs Enhanced Content Protection specification for 4K VOD services. It will also be available in different form factors, including smart card, STB companion chip and others.
NAGRA will deliver anyCAST COMMAND to EchoStar and DISH in the first quarter of 2015, after which time the product will be available to other NAGRA customers.
For more information about NAGRA anyCAST solutions, please visit NAGRA IBC booth 1. C81.
About NAGRA
NAGRA, a digital TV division of the Kudelski Group (SIX:KUD.S), provides security and multiscreen user experience solutions for the monetization of digital media. It offers content providers and DTV operators worldwide with secure, open, integrated platforms and applications over broadcast, broadband and mobile platforms, enabling compelling and personalized viewing experiences. Please visit dtv.nagra.com for more information and follow us on Twitter at @nagrakudelski.

[jvvh5897]

The basic idea of pirate TV is that you don't test on a single system so that if one method goes down you have backup. You do true FTA. You do audio only testing. You try to crack PowerVu or DC2. You do old N2 channels that are still around.
I don't do IKS because I have other options that are not as risky--course I read a lot more too. And play with the computer and coding in ways that have some use with pirate activity but not directly. I use my brain rather than sit on my a**.

[Terryl]

bump bump bump

And why was a thread almost a year old dug up from the basement????

[dishuser]

And why was a thread almost a year old dug up from the basement????
cause a "year" later it isn't down
good thing it was a rumour

[dslchome]

The basic idea of pirate TV is that you don't test on a single system so that if one method goes down you have backup. You do true FTA. You do audio only testing. You try to crack PowerVu or DC2. You do old N2 channels that are still around.
I don't do IKS because I have other options that are not as risky--course I read a lot more too. And play with the computer and coding in ways that have some use with pirate activity but not directly. I use my brain rather than sit on my a**.


That about sums it up.... I know people who are so used to IKS that they forget how to load a bin .... Or when IKS goes down b/c of a ECM they totally forget about the early N2 days when keys changed and you would update the key via key menu or they forget about the late N2 days when a ECM hit and changing keys no longer worked and a new A/R fix bin was required and they totally forget about that....

People just **** on there Arse now...

In a old movie called ** MY BODYGAURD ** with Matt Dillon he was a bully kid anyways RICKY LINDERMEN a BIG KID for his grade was asked what does your Dad Do? And he said Watches TV.

And were not far from that now.. I call up people and thats what they are doing watching TV... They are glued to the TV.

Read a book or better yet write a book... do somthing.. I only watch certain things on TV..... some ppl watch TV like CHAIN SMOKERS...

They just watch movie after movie even if they seen it 100 times or they watch day shows , I know a guy that loves infomericals.

You know them get RICH FAST packages and other stuff thats sold.

anways.. good post.

[majorsat]

It is for real. Dish has introduced a new CAS (conditional access system). It is still Nagra 3, but with one major change. At the moment, a subscribed Nagra 3 card will produce the keys needed to decrypt a few seconds of video. These keys are only 8 bytes long and they are shared over the internet to enable IKS. The new CAS (AnyCost), will not produce any keys at all. Instead, the receiver will pass the WHOLE video stream through the CAS and if authorized, will decrypt and output the clear video stream. In order for IKS to work now, you would have to share the whole video stream with other end users. This is not possible because the video is being streamed at several mega bits per second and bandwidth costs would be enormous!

Bye bye Dish IKS!!!

The explanation was given at tvrosat (a c band satellite forum).

[dishuser]

It is for real. Dish has introduced a new CAS (conditional access system). It is still Nagra 3, but with one major change. At the moment, a subscribed Nagra 3 card will produce the keys needed to decrypt a few seconds of video. These keys are only 8 bytes long and they are shared over the internet to enable IKS. The new CAS (AnyCost), will not produce any keys at all. Instead, the receiver will pass the WHOLE video stream through the CAS and if authorized, will decrypt and output the clear video stream. In order for IKS to work now, you would have to share the whole video stream with other end users. This is not possible because the video is being streamed at several mega bits per second and bandwidth costs would be enormous!

Bye bye Dish IKS!!!

The explanation was given at tvrosat (a c band satellite forum).
bullshat...lol

[majorsat]

I don't think it is BS because DISH released a statement about this new upgrade. IKS won't disappear tomorrow...first, they will start using this upgrade on the new 4K services. After that, they will probably target premium channels. And probably after a couple of years phase out everything else.

The sky isn't falling, but I think it is safe to say that DISH is going to end IKS very soon.

[abouttosnap]

Sonicview files are set up to run until 2028 so we are good till then. :rolleyes:

[lupearuba]

iptv will be the next step

[abouttosnap]

Maybe...but it may take a while to catch on...so far it hasn't impressed or done much for me...guess webtv was way ahead of it's time lol.

[majorsat]

iptv will be the next step

Certainly!

In 5-10 years time, fiber might be so cheap that it may be installed in every home. That would mean unlimited bandwidth at a small cost.

So instead of having IKS, we may have TSS (transport stream sharing). It will always be a cat and mouse game.

Even Dish and DirecTV might go 100% fiber in a decade making those pizza size dishes a relic of a bygone era!!!

[fn59]

Certainly!

In 5-10 years time, fiber might be so cheap that it may be installed in every home. That would mean unlimited bandwidth at a small cost.

So instead of having IKS, we may have TSS (transport stream sharing). It will always be a cat and mouse game.

Even Dish and DirecTV might go 100% fiber in a decade making those pizza size dishes a relic of a bygone era!!!

Alot of rural areas only option for internet is dial up or satellite internet, satellite will be here for awhile yet.

[abouttosnap]

Part of the fun or hobby was playing with the pizza pans...well at least for me it was.

[thunder bird]

With out the pans, you have no pizza.

[kenkell1]

With out the pans, you have no pizza.

build your own XBMC box and get running properly and you have a smorgabord instead of pizza ......and it's free.