5 lnbs to 2 recievers..

[swanner]

20692

how can I make this to go to 2 receivers...

I currently have it setup like as follows... The picture is same as my setup, just different port and sat numbers..


110 on port 1
119 on port 2
82/91 on port 3 with a 22 switch..
129 on port 4

thanks for any help....

[swanner]

any visual diagrams would be a great aid....
thanks guy's and gal's

[dishuser]

repeat it;)

[swanner]

repeat it;)

Thanks dishuser, you mean repeat it if they are dual lnb's??

if they are all not duals. which I will check.. and if needs be, make them duals....
it should work... by repeating with extra switchs.....

Thanks for your wisdom brother..
swanner

[swanner]

I forgot to ask,,
if I repeat it...

On each of my receivers under settings for the lnbs and ports...
should I have lnb powered on?
on being on, in both receivers?

thanks..

swannner

[dishuser]

yes set to on

[swanner]

thanks.....
Now I've got a project for this weekend...
will let you know how it works out...

thanks once again dishuser

[Terryl]

Another way if the LNB's are the standard type and not from Dish or BEV is to use a Diseqc 1.1 or a 2.0 switch, EMP makes many different combinations.

Each standard LNB needs two outputs, this way each receiver can select any of the TP's on the satellite its pointing to.

So you will need at least a 10 by 2 switch, (2 outputs per LNB) or a 10 by 4, (4 receivers) the EMP line of switches with more then 3 receivers to 4 or more LNB's are self powered, they need an AC power source, but there are some that have DC power injectors.

Most 10 x 4 switches listed are 11 x 4, the extra input is for an outdoor TV antenna.

Also be sure the switch you select is not for a legacy type LNB, a 6 x 4 legacy switch will not work too good with a standard LNB, as it only switches between 3 LNB's not 6.

[swanner]

Another way if the LNB's are the standard type and not from Dish or BEV is to use a Diseqc 1.1 or a 2.0 switch, EMP makes many different combinations.

Each standard LNB needs two outputs, this way each receiver can select any of the TP's on the satellite its pointing to.

So you will need at least a 10 by 2 switch, (2 outputs per LNB) or a 10 by 4, (4 receivers) the EMP line of switches with more then 3 receivers to 4 or more LNB's are self powered, they need an AC power source, but there are some that have DC power injectors.

Most 10 x 4 switches listed are 11 x 4, the extra input is for an outdoor TV antenna.

Also be sure the switch you select is not for a legacy type LNB, a 6 x 4 legacy switch will not work too good with a standard LNB, as it only switches between 3 LNB's not 6.


Thanks for that usual tid bit of info, I'm gonna put on some warm clothes and climb a ladder to check what type of lnbs I have..
I would honestly like to do a single switch for all 5 lnbs... they are mounted on 3 dishes.. I'm gonna try to take a picture of the hardware outside and post some pics...
I like the sound's of the 10x4 switch (11x4) it seems like it would really simplify my needs...
I'm running an Ilink9500hd w 8psk in the den, and a regular Nfusion pheonix SD in the bedroom.
I am recieving 110, 118/119 on one dish, 129 on another dish, and the third dish is a bell factory dish with 82/91..

thanks for the info guy's...

[swanner]

would a emp 9x4 work ?? or will it only work with 4 dual lnb's?

[Shark1959]

20692

how can I make this to go to 2 receivers...

I currently have it setup like as follows... The picture is same as my setup, just different port and sat numbers..


110 on port 1
119 on port 2
82/91 on port 3 with a 22 switch..
129 on port 4

thanks for any help....

I have done the same thing though I use only four dual LNB's with two diseqc switches. I have one feed to my entertainment area and another feeding my computer room where I do my testing. :)


Cheers :)

Shark1959

[Terryl]

You can do (almost) anything with 4 LNB's, but the tricky part is when you go to 5 or more, then the standard 4x1 and 4x4 Diseqc switches are left in the dust, you have to then go to the newer Diseqc 1.1 or 2.0 switches, or go to some sort of tricky setup.

Dish and BEV equipment does not like more the 4 LNB's, they don't need more then 4. (on Dish equipment, 110/118/119/129)

And you also must remeber that the more stuff you add in-line before the receivers, the more signal loss there will be, each switch/connector/jumper/ground block will drop the total RF voltage by 1/2, (3 dB) adding a second switch on a system with a long run of coax can cause a complete signal loss.

Improper grounding can also cause major hair loss.

[Terryl]

Another way to go is with all dual output standard LNB's (not dish or bev) and 2 of the EMP 8x1 switches, this will get you all 5 LNB's to 2 receivers.

5 LNB's like this,
http://www.satpro.tv/eagle-aspen-lnb.aspx

and 2 switches like this,
http://www.emp-centauri.cz/index.php?lang=en&page=prodview&id=82

Less hassle and less to go wrong.

[Terryl]

would a emp 9x4 work ?? or will it only work with 4 dual lnb's?


The 9 x 4 is a legacy switch, 2 inputs per LNB (one at 14 VDC the other at 18 VDC) for a total of 4 LNB's and 1 input for an off air TV antenna.

[swanner]

Another way to go is with all dual output standard LNB's (not dish or bev) and 2 of the EMP 8x1 switches, this will get you all 5 LNB's to 2 receivers.

5 LNB's like this,
http://www.satpro.tv/eagle-aspen-lnb.aspx

and 2 switches like this,
http://www.emp-centauri.cz/index.php?lang=en&page=prodview&id=82

Less hassle and less to go wrong.

wow, that's what I was just looking at about a half hour ago on a website..
I'm willing to replace all my lnbs to dual standard, I see how that switch will wire to 4 dual lnbs, but how would the 2nd switch be wired to the 5th dual lnb? and then to the 2 units.. this is where I'm lost.... Im a picture person.. lol

thanks for that info though... kinda where I was leaning... as I do not want to lose 110, 118/119, 129 and the 82, 91...
thanks for further input if available...

cheers ...
swanner

[Terryl]

The LNB's I posted are dual output but all signals are available on each port, here is a drawing.

I attached a PDF so you can blow it up.

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[swanner]

The LNB's I posted are dual output but all signals are available on each port, here is a drawing.

I attached a PDF so you can blow it up.

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thank you Terryl....
I'm gonna get the hardware needed....
just have to figure out now, how to wire properly unit by unit, and figure out the settings in each set top box...
Thank you so much for the info...

YOU ROCK.....

[swanner]

This is the emp switch's I think I need to purchase...
is this correct...??




EMP Centauri P.167-IW Satellite Switch SW82
8-in-2-out Diseqc Switch (Four Satellites)

or this switch.... Satellite Switch SW81???
thanks..

swanner

[Terryl]

This one.


http://angelelectronics.ca/shop/satellite/switches/emp-p168-w-diseqc

It also has a connection for a off air TV antenna or CATV connection, but that need not be used.

[swanner]

Thank You Terryl......

You have been a really big Help.....
Thanks....

swanner

[swanner]

Guess when I get it hooked up, is how to figure out the settings in the Ilink9500hd and the Phoenix SD ( which obviously is going to pull in only 110, 118/119... and maybe the 82,91 aswell)

going to be fun....

thanks again to everybodies input, I really appreciate it...

swanner

[dishuser]

Guess when I get it hooked up, is how to figure out the settings in the Ilink9500hd and the Phoenix SD ( which obviously is going to pull in only 110, 118/119... and maybe the 82,91 aswell)

going to be fun....

thanks again to everybodies input, I really appreciate it...

swanner

diseqc 1.1 should have 16 ports

[swanner]

diseqc 1.1 should have 16 ports

Ok.. Thank you dishuser...

Not quite sure id my boxes will comply.. but will see....

Thanks..

[yostar]

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this is "my cheaper way"

[swanner]

20705

this is "my cheaper way"

Thanks for the input. .Looks like it would work fine....
But I'm sure I'd have alot of db loss with all the connections....
thanks thou yostar.

[Terryl]

3dB per switch, and 3dB per connection, no way around that, first law of RF, if your LNB's are real close to the switches,(about 3 feet) there will be less loss as the total RF voltage will be higher, this due to less loss in the coax.

Using good quality RG-6 quad shielded coax will help, and it should be swept to 3 GHz or rated to 2.5 GHz, this gives you less loss at the higher frequency transponders.

But remember the hidden rule of satellite systems: What works for one may not work for others.

Also there will be 22 kHz Diseqc control signals getting through to the next switch, so if you use that setup and want to be on Diseqc port 1 on the first 4x1 switch, (82/91) the second switch inline with that one will also be on port #1 (watching 82) there will be no way to switch to 91 (Diseqc port #2) on the first 4x4 switch, you will change over to the switch controlling the 110/119 setup, with no way to switch to 110.