View Full Version : Are there "any" iks providers "not" using the same seeder feeds???
mikil123
04-11-2014, 01:26 PM
Hello Just curious and thought Id start this thread asking folks if they know of "any" iks providers that are not using the same seeder feeds(same channels etc..). It seems when I a ecm hits everybody goes down.The only difference I see in providers nfps, rocket etc....is different servers? Whom was up on south this last ecm with "no" channel disruption? Is there anyone left out there or are we all fall victim to the same feeds? Thanks Mikil
ftanewbie
04-11-2014, 10:04 PM
Hello Just curious and thought Id start this thread asking folks if they know of "any" iks providers that are not using the same seeder feeds(same channels etc..). It seems when I a ecm hits everybody goes down.The only difference I see in providers nfps, rocket etc....is different servers? Whom was up on south this last ecm with "no" channel disruption? Is there anyone left out there or are we all fall victim to the same feeds? Thanks Mikil
thats unavoidable the ECM is in the stream.....that will affect everyone.....any reseller or seeder that tells u other wise is pure BS.
goosemanx
04-12-2014, 12:03 PM
thats unavoidable the ECM is in the stream.....that will affect everyone.....any reseller or seeder that tells u other wise is pure BS.
I think you are wrong my friend
ftanewbie
04-12-2014, 02:39 PM
I think you are wrong my friend
no one really has a edge in this at this moment.....maybe a few did once, but not any more.
They all advertise that they got the everything package/all nationals + much more. In reality the lumberjack's granny says there's so many missing regular national channels these days, more and more by the month, that it gets harder & harder for her to keep count of. she gets it..it ain't the same as subbing, but really couldn't they at least swap out those garbage church and shopping channels and fill in some of the holes. the seeders surely put in a lot of work, she's very grateful for what she's got, but she hates to see it when the seeders already sub to similar packages of the missing channels, seed other channels from the same tp's, and have the bandwidth available. Here's a C/P'd list from not too long ago of what's down. There's few changes by the week, but she says its gotta be pretty darn accurate - most of these have been down for more than a year. anyone willing to offer these will do very well these days.
SID | Name | Sat | TP
0100 | HOME | 110 | 08 (12326 L)
0233 | KTLA | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0234 | WPIX | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0235 | KWGN | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0236 | WSBK | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0238 | WWOR | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0247 | UNIHD| 110 | 22 (12530 L)
0248 | MAVTV| 129 | 19 (12486 R)
0249 | CI | 110 | 19 (12486 R)
0251 | CTRC | 129 | 29 (12632 R)
0254 | LOGO | 129 | 20 (12501 L)
0279 | CCNEW| 110 | 08 (12326 L)
0378 | INDIE| 129 | 31 (12661 R)
0379 | RETRO| 129 | 18 (12472 L)
0391 | FSC+ | 110 | 08 (12326 L)
0659 | ZIKR | 118 | 23 (12050 R)
0662 | ARBMU| 118 | 12 (11880 L)
0663 | MLIFE| 118 | 28 (12124 L)
0672 | OSHYH| 118 | 07 (11806 R)
9415 | FSTV | 110 | 10 (12355 L)
9418 | PIXL | 110 | 22 (12530 L)
9423 | HDNMV| 119 | 07 (12311 R)
9427 | UNIHD| 110 | 22 (12530 L)
9448 | GSN | 129 | 22 (12530 L)
9472 | MLBSZ| 129 | 26 (12588 L)
9484 | MTV | 129 | 17 (12457 R)
9488 | TLC | 129 | 17 (12457 R)
9489 | APL | 129 | 19 (12486 R)
9500 | BIG10| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9503 | BITV | 129 | 32 (12676 L)
9504 | EPIX3| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9508 | NBATV| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9509 | NBATV| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9524 | HLN | 129 | 32 (12676 L)
9529 | SONY | 129 | 20 (12501 L)
9533 | EPIX1| 129 | 30 (12647 L)
9534 | EPIX2| 129 | 32 (12676 L)
9540 | NHLN | 129 | 30 (12647 L)
9541 | NHLN | 129 | 30 (12647 L)
9578 | WE | 129 | 28 (12618 L)
9587 | IFC | 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9588 | SUND | 129 | 29 (12632 R)
9589 | FUSE | 129 | 19 (12486 R)
9612 | MGM | 129 | 17 (12457 R)
9614 | REELZ| 129 | 23 (12545 R)
9845 | RAI | 119 | 06 (12297 L)
Hockey & Basketball HDs:
9542 to 9555 | NHL | 129 | Dynamic TPs: 25 (12574 R), 26 (12588 L), 27 (12603 R)
9561 to 9572 | NBA | 129 | Dynamic TPs: 25 (12574 R) , 27 (12603 R) (Also: 119, TP 07 12311 R)
English Intl's/Worlds:
9790 | FTV | 118 | 12 (11880 L)
9791 | EBRU | 118 | 18 (11972 L)
9792 | BON | 118 | 12 (11880 L)
9795 | USN | 119 | 10 (12355 L)
9796 | LUXE | 118 | 22 (12033 L)
9797 | NATCL| 118 | 06 (11789 L)
9860 | EURCH| 118 | 07 (11806 R)
9861 | TRACE| 118 | 03 (11745 R)
9864 | F24EN| 118 | 24 (12063 L)
HDPPVs
Audio's:
923 to 981 | AUDxx or CD xx | 119 | TPs: 6 (12297 L), 8 (12326 L), 11 (12370 R), 13 (12399 R), 16 (12443 L), 19 (12486 R), 20 (12501 L)
6002 to 6099| SXMxx | 119 | TPs: 8 (12326 L), 11 (12370 R), 12 (12384 L), 13 (12399 R), 16 (12443 L), 17 (12457 R), 18 (12472 L), 21 (12516 R)
whoknows
04-14-2014, 01:07 PM
They all advertise that they got the everything package/all nationals + much more.
lol..I think you got iks mixed up with dish network
whoknows
04-14-2014, 01:08 PM
starting to studder
marcelect
04-14-2014, 01:20 PM
And what about the radio,xm sirius.who ever brings this back,will be making a killing
Add XBMC on your "tool box" and that will keep all happy on Thursdays.....and more.
ftanewbie
04-14-2014, 05:48 PM
Add XBMC on your "tool box" and that will keep all happy on Thursdays.....and more.
Seeders dont want want to pay for it.....not everyone goes for the one year deal....if more did maybe they would have it.
ramrod
04-14-2014, 06:26 PM
They all advertise that they got the everything package/all nationals + much more. In reality the lumberjack's granny says there's so many missing regular national channels these days, more and more by the month, that it gets harder & harder for her to keep count of. she gets it..it ain't the same as subbing, but really couldn't they at least swap out those garbage church and shopping channels and fill in some of the holes. the seeders surely put in a lot of work, she's very grateful for what she's got, but she hates to see it when the seeders already sub to similar packages of the missing channels, seed other channels from the same tp's, and have the bandwidth available. Here's a C/P'd list from not too long ago of what's down. There's few changes by the week, but she says its gotta be pretty darn accurate - most of these have been down for more than a year. anyone willing to offer these will do very well these days.
SID | Name | Sat | TP
0100 | HOME | 110 | 08 (12326 L)
0233 | KTLA | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0234 | WPIX | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0235 | KWGN | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0236 | WSBK | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0238 | WWOR | 119 | 20 (12501 L)
0247 | UNIHD| 110 | 22 (12530 L)
0248 | MAVTV| 129 | 19 (12486 R)
0249 | CI | 110 | 19 (12486 R)
0251 | CTRC | 129 | 29 (12632 R)
0254 | LOGO | 129 | 20 (12501 L)
0279 | CCNEW| 110 | 08 (12326 L)
0378 | INDIE| 129 | 31 (12661 R)
0379 | RETRO| 129 | 18 (12472 L)
0391 | FSC+ | 110 | 08 (12326 L)
0659 | ZIKR | 118 | 23 (12050 R)
0662 | ARBMU| 118 | 12 (11880 L)
0663 | MLIFE| 118 | 28 (12124 L)
0672 | OSHYH| 118 | 07 (11806 R)
9415 | FSTV | 110 | 10 (12355 L)
9418 | PIXL | 110 | 22 (12530 L)
9423 | HDNMV| 119 | 07 (12311 R)
9427 | UNIHD| 110 | 22 (12530 L)
9448 | GSN | 129 | 22 (12530 L)
9472 | MLBSZ| 129 | 26 (12588 L)
9484 | MTV | 129 | 17 (12457 R)
9488 | TLC | 129 | 17 (12457 R)
9489 | APL | 129 | 19 (12486 R)
9500 | BIG10| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9503 | BITV | 129 | 32 (12676 L)
9504 | EPIX3| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9508 | NBATV| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9509 | NBATV| 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9524 | HLN | 129 | 32 (12676 L)
9529 | SONY | 129 | 20 (12501 L)
9533 | EPIX1| 129 | 30 (12647 L)
9534 | EPIX2| 129 | 32 (12676 L)
9540 | NHLN | 129 | 30 (12647 L)
9541 | NHLN | 129 | 30 (12647 L)
9578 | WE | 129 | 28 (12618 L)
9587 | IFC | 129 | 24 (12559 L)
9588 | SUND | 129 | 29 (12632 R)
9589 | FUSE | 129 | 19 (12486 R)
9612 | MGM | 129 | 17 (12457 R)
9614 | REELZ| 129 | 23 (12545 R)
9845 | RAI | 119 | 06 (12297 L)
Hockey & Basketball HDs:
9542 to 9555 | NHL | 129 | Dynamic TPs: 25 (12574 R), 26 (12588 L), 27 (12603 R)
9561 to 9572 | NBA | 129 | Dynamic TPs: 25 (12574 R) , 27 (12603 R) (Also: 119, TP 07 12311 R)
English Intl's/Worlds:
9790 | FTV | 118 | 12 (11880 L)
9791 | EBRU | 118 | 18 (11972 L)
9792 | BON | 118 | 12 (11880 L)
9795 | USN | 119 | 10 (12355 L)
9796 | LUXE | 118 | 22 (12033 L)
9797 | NATCL| 118 | 06 (11789 L)
9860 | EURCH| 118 | 07 (11806 R)
9861 | TRACE| 118 | 03 (11745 R)
9864 | F24EN| 118 | 24 (12063 L)
HDPPVs
Audio's:
923 to 981 | AUDxx or CD xx | 119 | TPs: 6 (12297 L), 8 (12326 L), 11 (12370 R), 13 (12399 R), 16 (12443 L), 19 (12486 R), 20 (12501 L)
6002 to 6099| SXMxx | 119 | TPs: 8 (12326 L), 11 (12370 R), 12 (12384 L), 13 (12399 R), 16 (12443 L), 17 (12457 R), 18 (12472 L), 21 (12516 R)
I will definitely agree with you as you are pretty much dead-on. i have had and currently have the same results.
I see someone else runs through the entire ch. list (110,119,129) as i do quiet often...good job :yes:
Nostradamus
04-14-2014, 09:31 PM
well I have said it before, IKS is in a slow death spiral for a lot of reasons but there is other options as already mentioned like XBMC, IPTV and if your wallet is fat a real sub.
the differences are:
a real sub is the simplest and if you have issues you have somebody to complain to, not that it will make any difference, it is the most reliable and the price is the highest
IPTV - most have a good channel lineup, you pay an annual fee and you are at the mercy of one server as to whether you watch tv with the device or not. Basically plug and play. Requires good bandwidth for reliable service
XBMC - the most versatile of the bunch and offers programming IPTV and cable/sat will never have. The cost of XBMC is free, some addons have a service fee. Streaming requires a good deal of bandwidth but recording for playback later is not as crucial. Not plug & play. Requires a lot of experimenting, not a good choice for free Tv'er
tubbs
04-15-2014, 02:21 AM
I agree, IKS is a death Spiral, but, just as card programmers, unloopers, FTA boxes with 'FREE" server access ( Nfusion Limesat)
then pay servers (P$) like NFPS).....were/are around, then died. So someone out there will design a new system so they can put their hand out and we can fill it with dollar bills....
well I have said it before, IKS is in a slow death spiral for a lot of reasons but there is other options as already mentioned like XBMC, IPTV and if your wallet is fat a real sub.
the differences are:
a real sub is the simplest and if you have issues you have somebody to complain to, not that it will make any difference, it is the most reliable and the price is the highest
IPTV - most have a good channel lineup, you pay an annual fee and you are at the mercy of one server as to whether you watch tv with the device or not. Basically plug and play. Requires good bandwidth for reliable service
XBMC - the most versatile of the bunch and offers programming IPTV and cable/sat will never have. The cost of XBMC is free, some addons have a service fee. Streaming requires a good deal of bandwidth but recording for playback later is not as crucial. Not plug & play. Requires a lot of experimenting, not a good choice for free Tv'er
Nostradamus
04-15-2014, 03:13 AM
it is already there Tubbs, it is spelled IPTV :)
kikid
04-15-2014, 01:52 PM
I agree with you nostradamus the only thing is iptv is good if you have fast internet and very fast internet to watch the hd content the only problem is there are still a lot of people with slow internet so iptv won't fly in the rural areas but there maybe a way to compress the audio and video and keep the picture quality i am not sure..
ftanewbie
04-15-2014, 05:06 PM
whats the minimum bandwidth for a descent stream for IPTV around 20 megabits....anything over that is expensive.
jvvh5897
04-15-2014, 05:22 PM
well I have said it before, IKS is in a slow death spiral for a lot of reasons but there is other options as already mentioned like XBMC, IPTV and if your wallet is fat a real sub.
the differences are:
a real sub is the simplest and if you have issues you have somebody to complain to, not that it will make any difference, it is the most reliable and the price is the highest
IPTV - most have a good channel lineup, you pay an annual fee and you are at the mercy of one server as to whether you watch tv with the device or not. Basically plug and play. Requires good bandwidth for reliable service
XBMC - the most versatile of the bunch and offers programming IPTV and cable/sat will never have. The cost of XBMC is free, some addons have a service fee. Streaming requires a good deal of bandwidth but recording for playback later is not as crucial. Not plug & play. Requires a lot of experimenting, not a good choice for free Tv'er
You missed a couple of other options like true FTA and audio only hacks. Yes, it is the IKS sections but still....
lolking
04-15-2014, 06:03 PM
well I have said it before, IKS is in a slow death spiral for a lot of reasons but there is other options as already mentioned like XBMC, IPTV and if your wallet is fat a real sub.
the differences are:
a real sub is the simplest and if you have issues you have somebody to complain to, not that it will make any difference, it is the most reliable and the price is the highest
IPTV - most have a good channel lineup, you pay an annual fee and you are at the mercy of one server as to whether you watch tv with the device or not. Basically plug and play. Requires good bandwidth for reliable service
XBMC - the most versatile of the bunch and offers programming IPTV and cable/sat will never have. The cost of XBMC is free, some addons have a service fee. Streaming requires a good deal of bandwidth but recording for playback later is not as crucial. Not plug & play. Requires a lot of experimenting, not a good choice for free Tv'er
No offence but you are completely wrong. There are tons of people using satellite because they are out in the middle of no where, with no access to broadband or cable lines. They wont be using IPTV anytime soon. IKS is not dyeing in the slightest, there are more servers than ever before. And there will be more exploits in satellite tech........
Now to address the OP. Yes, there are some southern IKS providers that are sharing NHL CI, NBA and some of those "missing" channels another member posted. Not all servers are the same. The channel lists differ.... this false notion gets repeatedly posted here, and lots of members will tell you they are the same seeder feeds. not possible.
ftanewbie
04-15-2014, 08:35 PM
well their are a few seeders that have the same servers and use a different name...one time i was reading throw the different up down threads and in one of them, some one expose a P$ IP address...is was quickly removed, i was able to get it...and i use it on my server which is a different one, just for the hell of it...i was thinking your wasting your time u dont belong to this seeder and to my surprise it work...so go figure.
Nostradamus
04-15-2014, 08:41 PM
better do some research my friend. how many servers are there really? I know of 3, the rest are all affiliated to one of those or simply re-sellers putting their own name on another product. I didn't say they would be using IPTV, I said that is going to be the new wave.
Some different FTA manufacturers are already looking that way and there is a lot of other companies doing the same thing as well. When you look at N america at night from space where do you see all the lights? East cost, west coast and along the border between US/ Can mostly. The majority of people in the boonies still on dialup is by choice.
If you live in a spot with no high speed internet through cable or phone lines you still have other options. You can use a cell phone with an unlimited data plan plugged into a MOBI as one choice, some areas have wireless broadband available and there is always the option of satellite internet as well. Almost a given anybody stealing programming has a clear view of the sat arc and would be able to use that option.
So in reality, anybody living in the country and thinking dialup is their only internet option have either not done their homework or not willing to pay what the other services cost. Taking all that into consideration, people will spend a lot to steal tv and for the 500 or so people not willing to do so, well they are not going to control the tv industry and the direction it is headed
ftanewbie
04-15-2014, 10:41 PM
i agree some people have the crazy idea IKS will be around for ever:tehe:
kikid
04-16-2014, 01:59 AM
Yes there is satellite internet which allows you 10 megs a second here with a limit of 50 gigs a month after your 50 gigs is used up they slow the internet down to a crawl which is no good and there is no unlimited data plans not here anyway and as for wireless internet top speed is 1.5 megs a second.. So there are other options for internet but still not fast enough to run iptv with decent picture quality.. And 50 gigs isn't much if your streaming tv..
There are a lot of IKS services here sharing the same main cache services - but the better ones fill in the holes with their own card servers.
A lot of the big servers seem to be getting the message and it looks like they may start to fill in their own holes in their channel line up since they are losing some clients to some of the smaller dealers. I don't see anything wrong with the smaller guys buying their main cache from the big guys and then improving the service by adding a few card servers to provide what the big guys are not providing.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a ton of money on buying new receivers and cards every time you are hit for the main channels - when you can buy that same service from one of the big boys for pennies on the dollar. That's good business in my opinion. Better to spend your money on the channels that the big guys are not providing - that's good customer service :-)
lolking
04-16-2014, 06:19 AM
better do some research my friend. how many servers are there really? I know of 3, the rest are all affiliated to one of those or simply re-sellers putting their own name on another product. I didn't say they would be using IPTV, I said that is going to be the new wave.
Some different FTA manufacturers are already looking that way and there is a lot of other companies doing the same thing as well. When you look at N america at night from space where do you see all the lights? East cost, west coast and along the border between US/ Can mostly. The majority of people in the boonies still on dialup is by choice.
If you live in a spot with no high speed internet through cable or phone lines you still have other options. You can use a cell phone with an unlimited data plan plugged into a MOBI as one choice, some areas have wireless broadband available and there is always the option of satellite internet as well. Almost a given anybody stealing programming has a clear view of the sat arc and would be able to use that option.
So in reality, anybody living in the country and thinking dialup is their only internet option have either not done their homework or not willing to pay what the other services cost. Taking all that into consideration, people will spend a lot to steal tv and for the 500 or so people not willing to do so, well they are not going to control the tv industry and the direction it is headed
its obvious you arent going to change your opinion. however satellite and mobile broadband are extremely expensive and have extremely low caps, why would you think people unwilling to sub would be willing to pay those high costs? they arent.
lets look at the history of satellite exploit issues.
n2 encryption was hacked. emulation of key generation was born, and from that, key sharing was born.
providers replaced the encryption with a new one.
n3 encryption released to counter piracy. keys must be obtained from a legal source. but key sharing still works.
how would it be possible to stop sharing?
new cards/subs is all that's required.
ANY encryption scheme chosen would still be exploitable in this fashion. IKS is not ending anytime soon. Just look over to Europe and the NUMBEROUS encryption schemes being key shared over there.
as for how many servers are there really? if you only know of 3 then the TRUE private servers are doing their jobs correctly. the same ones that have the "missing channels" and sports packages.
Nostradamus
04-16-2014, 10:23 AM
well there is a couple of things wrong with your grand scheme
most people already have a data plan on their cell phone, sat internet really no more expensive than what I pay a month for 50 Mbit DSL. Nobody said anybody has to do it anything, I am just saying they have options
N2 wasn't cracked, it might have been eventually but the back door into the card was given to them
2 easy ways to stop card sharing, - (1) make the card unuseable in a server 0r (2) increase the control word speed to about double what is present now
yes Europe, how many providers are using Nag4?
as for private servers, sure there are some but how many of the people living in the boonies are going to get an invite to one of those? you can keep living in your world of denial and I will continue to say what is trending. Right now IKS is slipping and IPTV is gaining in popularity, it s not like I make the rules regarding things. Unfortunately for all those people living in some remote outpost stuck with a landline dialup connection, neither do you
lolking
04-16-2014, 09:19 PM
well there is a couple of things wrong with your grand scheme
most people already have a data plan on their cell phone, sat internet really no more expensive than what I pay a month for 50 Mbit DSL. Nobody said anybody has to do it anything, I am just saying they have options
N2 wasn't cracked, it might have been eventually but the back door into the card was given to them
2 easy ways to stop card sharing, - (1) make the card unuseable in a server 0r (2) increase the control word speed to about double what is present now
yes Europe, how many providers are using Nag4?
as for private servers, sure there are some but how many of the people living in the boonies are going to get an invite to one of those? you can keep living in your world of denial and I will continue to say what is trending. Right now IKS is slipping and IPTV is gaining in popularity, it s not like I make the rules regarding things. Unfortunately for all those people living in some remote outpost stuck with a landline dialup connection, neither do you
saying satellite and mobile internet are usable/affordable for the high bandwidth and high cap needed for IPTV shows your level of ignorance.
yes there were a couple leaks of information from nagra2, but it was exploited through code forced out by courts. it was indeed cracked wide open, and important information from the inside had to be leaked for this to happen. if you are given instructions to a back door, programming the knob to open it is still cracking the system. it does not matter that the information came from inside...
again, you arent changing your opinion... obvious. but to perpetuate these rumors is just plain wrong.
your "ways to stop card sharing" are hilariously wrong.
1 the cards arent supposed to run in a server now, they are only supposed to run in a receiver, what do you think an ecm detects? cards get burnt all the time, but are replaced, problem solved.
2 they double the speed of the cw/ key changing, then the servers double the cards/cache the keys problem solved.
again encryption scheme doesnt matter, there are providers using things other than nagra in europe and key sharing works just fine...
ftanewbie
04-16-2014, 09:27 PM
is funny all dish has to do is upgrade their receivers TSOP and is over check mate.....fta cant handle that kind upgrade the hardware is just to weak
dishuser
04-16-2014, 09:49 PM
is funny all dish has to do is upgrade their receivers TSOP and is over check mate.....fta cant handle that kind upgrade the hardware is just to weakthe cam is more important than the tsop...upgrades to tsop happen all the the time
ftanewbie
04-16-2014, 10:26 PM
the cam is more important than the tsop...upgrades to tsop happen all the the time
im talking just any kind of big time revision is over...i believe the only reason they havent done it is, they dont want bring down their subs and piss off the customers and lose them to DTV.
dishuser
04-16-2014, 11:51 PM
im talking just any kind of big time revision is over...i believe the only reason they havent done it is, they dont want bring down their subs and piss off the customers and lose them to DTV.
ya that must be why it was almost always the card rev's that screwed it up in the past cause the ird firmware updates never stopped anyone for more than a day:rolleyes:
Nostradamus
04-17-2014, 12:17 AM
Just because you think the charge might be unreasonable and not a viable solution doesn't mean everybody else thinks like you do <br />
<br />
regarding your 2 numbered remarks above. <br />
<br />
1. where are all these...
tubbs
04-17-2014, 03:05 PM
it is already there Tubbs, it is spelled IPTV :)
Well, O.K. so where the heck is the IPTV hack sites? I haven't seen any:innocent:
Nostradamus
04-18-2014, 02:46 AM
why would you need an iPTV hack site? they are plug and play. load one file and you are golden usually
lolking
04-18-2014, 06:46 AM
1. thats just misleading, every ecm servers keep coming back online. theres clearly lots of cards going around... lots of private servers running their own cards too.... you are forgetting 2 years...
Nostradamus
04-18-2014, 01:15 PM
1 .. actually you are the one being misleading or you have been misled, I am not sure which
2. if that is the case then why are there so many issues with dropped connections and freezing? It is internet speed man! If not then I guess you could say everybody that is doing IKS and having issues is either using junk and needs to upgrade hardware (more costs for el cheapo free Tv'er) , or, the card servers you are praising need to be upgraded. The only other possible reason according to your grand scheme of things is that everybody that is attempting IKS and having issues is an idiot. Oh BTW most of those people having connection issues do not live in the swamplands of Louisiana and only have dialup internet either.
Now I am done replying to your rhetoric but I am sure you will be back for more so here is the last question you should answer. Are you personally using dialup for internet purposes so you can vouch first hand as to how well it is working for you? Oh yeah keys and control words are not the same thing either so don't confuse the perople you are trying to convince :)
lolking
04-18-2014, 04:38 PM
1. good, youve given up the first point. BEV being online on many servers after beaver shut down is perfect proof. <br />
2. LMAO, many private servers are freeze free. Seen satellite internet work...
ftanewbie
04-18-2014, 05:26 PM
everyone is a expert ;)
dishuser
04-18-2014, 05:53 PM
everyone is a expert ;)
an expert you mean?lol
Nostradamus
04-18-2014, 05:59 PM
and how many of these same people are ever going to get on a private server when they can't learn to keep their mouths shut? NADA, NONE, ZILCH, ZERO, etc. That is why private servers remain private. Also many of those private servers are not located offshore so you could be trading a devil for a witch there.
you also never revealed on whether you are suffering along on dialup either. My guess to that is you have some type of highspeed connection yourself otherwise your wife would have swatted you for posting while she was trying to watch Dr. Phil and interrupting her show.
So now answer the question honestly, are you using dialup for IKS or is that just some more BS? Frankly unless you are doing it yourself it is quite difficult for you to state how well it works for everyone else. Your opinion seems to smell of a dealer with a lot of stock not moving too well these days. Good luck with that! and Oh yeah Happy Easter dude! :)
ftanewbie
04-18-2014, 10:17 PM
theirs no way hes getting IKS on dial up:no:
lolking
04-19-2014, 12:39 AM
theirs no way hes getting IKS on dial up:no:
why? yes, iks works just fine on dial up. even works on satellite internet. neighbors use it. works freeze free. keys arent high bandwidth or low latency stuff, theres no reason why it wouldnt....
NoName
04-19-2014, 12:42 AM
If there are roughly 3 independent servers and many many servers affiliated one way or another, why is it always kept hush hush. Share this info in the forum. It'll only help. I am not directing this at you just saying in general.
better do some research my friend. how many servers are there really? I know of 3, the rest are all affiliated to one of those or simply re-sellers putting their own name on another product. I didn't say they would be using IPTV, I said that is going to be the new wave.
Some different FTA manufacturers are already looking that way and there is a lot of other companies doing the same thing as well. When you look at N america at night from space where do you see all the lights? East cost, west coast and along the border between US/ Can mostly. The majority of people in the boonies still on dialup is by choice.
If you live in a spot with no high speed internet through cable or phone lines you still have other options. You can use a cell phone with an unlimited data plan plugged into a MOBI as one choice, some areas have wireless broadband available and there is always the option of satellite internet as well. Almost a given anybody stealing programming has a clear view of the sat arc and would be able to use that option.
So in reality, anybody living in the country and thinking dialup is their only internet option have either not done their homework or not willing to pay what the other services cost. Taking all that into consideration, people will spend a lot to steal tv and for the 500 or so people not willing to do so, well they are not going to control the tv industry and the direction it is headed
ftanewbie
04-19-2014, 12:51 AM
why? Yes, iks works just fine on dial up. Even works on satellite internet. Neighbors use it. Works freeze free. Keys arent high bandwidth or low latency stuff, theres no reason why it wouldnt....
ha ha ha!!!!!!
whoknows
04-19-2014, 12:54 AM
If there are roughly 3 independent servers and many many servers affiliated one way or another, why is it always kept hush hush. Share this info in the forum. It'll only help. I am not directing this at you just saying in general.
You can't be serious
Nostradamus
04-19-2014, 01:16 AM
this thread just goes to prove how many people actually read things or if they do read are able to comprehend anything :)
you still haven't said whether YOU are using dialup or not and why would a buddy of yours be shelling out the big money for sat internet... I would think you would have him set up on dialup as well :D
anyway enough of this gibberish as it serves no purpose. just because you can't see what direction things are headed makes no difference to me one way or the other. at least some others may have been enlightened and not waste money looking for a long term investment
NoName
04-19-2014, 03:39 AM
You can't be serious
No I guess I am not serious. Makes more sense for ps people to sell the same stuff with different names on it. Meanwhile the people who know more can just sit back and laugh and blame folks for not reading enough (can't read whats not posted).
c8rbk1ng
04-19-2014, 03:53 AM
Dialup? What are they using? A Commodore 64? :)
Nostradamus
04-19-2014, 12:23 PM
sure it has all been posted before NoName. Maybe not with a thread title like " There really only is about 3 IKS servers" but the info is there. If people looked at more sections than the box they have or the service they are connected with on a regular basis they would see a lot of similarities between boxes and they would also see which servers are up and down or having the same issues at the same time. It really doesn't take long before a person will see a lot of patterns developing
rockhard
04-19-2014, 07:20 PM
Well, O.K. so where the heck is the IPTV hack sites? I haven't seen any:innocent: theres one over at xxxxxxxxxxxxx
ftanewbie
04-22-2014, 10:48 PM
i see the IP tv thread got closed.....my question is what kind of hardware does it use? i see no outside devises are needed ......can your current fta box run this service? or u need to buy one just for this.
Nostradamus
04-22-2014, 10:58 PM
I closed that thread for a reason and the first 2 posts tell you exactly what is needed and no FTA box required
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