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04-28-2014, 05:20 PM
After Jon Jones put the finishing touches on a Rembrandt-like artistic domination of Glover Teixiera on Saturday night, his one-time teammate, Brian Stann, on Fox Sports 1's post-game show, pushed the idea that Jones was the greatest UFC fighter of all-time.
Generally speaking, arguments about UFC's all-time greatest have come down to Anderson Silva and Georges St-Pierre, the dominant stars of the modern era. With both out of action due to injuries, it has left the best fighter spotlight open to Jones, Renan Barao, Jose Aldo, Cain Velasquez, Demetrious Johnson and even Ronda Rousey. But Stann's argument was that Jones, at 26, has already beaten better competition, and beaten them by a far more decisive manner than Silva or St-Pierre.
Jones' unique physical attributes and skills have had people talking greatness for him since his win over Stephan Bonnar in 2009, less than nine months after his first pro fight. By the time he won the title from Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, nobody was arguing his potential to be the biggest star in the company at some point. But being the all-time greatest is something established over time. Without question, Jones has accomplished more at the same age than Silva, who was an 8-1 middleweight at the same stage. St-Pierre was 15-2 before his 27th birthday, and was considered the best in his division as interim champion. But he had not beaten fighters the caliber of those Jones has at this point.
Jones has also reached the top without any career hiccups like Silva had in his pre-UFC days, and St-Pierre had with Matt Hughes and Matt Serra.
Jones has made seven successful light heavyweight title defenses, putting him behind Silva's ten (2007-2013) and St-Pierre's nine (2008-2013). But an asterisk should be in place regarding Aldo, who, if you include WEC defenses, which you should given that was the top promotion in the world for the featherweights when he won the title, would have eight, spanning 2009 to the present.
Where Jones stands out is his victims list. Jones has beaten five former UFC champions, Rua, Rampage Jackson, Lyoto Machida, Rashad Evans and Vitor Belfort, as well as Teixeira, coming off a 20-fight winning streak. While Belfort had been fighting a weight class under, as had another victim, Chael Sonnen, the list is unprecedented. He's had five finishes in those eight fights (including the title win). In that time period, he's lost only two or three rounds (one or two to Alexander Gustafsson, one to Belfort).
The comments on him from Saturday night was how he fought Teixeira where Teixeira figured to be at his strongest, and almost completely shut him down. That was the same thing people said about St-Pierre at the same stage of his career, when he shut down Hughes at wrestling. St-Pierre often challenged guys where they were best, outwrestling high-level wrestlers like Hughes, Josh Koscheck and Jon Fitch, going to the ground with Matt Serra, and outstriking Nick Diaz.
Jones (20-1) has the edge on St-Pierre (25-2) in that he's really never lost a fight. The Matt Hamill disqualification loss was a fight he dominated and came from a series of questionable calls. By all rights, Jones should be undefeated. St-Pierre clearly lost, and was finished, twice, and many argue he lost a third time to Johny Hendricks. Some would argue Jones should have lost to Gustafsson, but that was really the only close call in his career.
St-Pierre's edge is time, as he had two title runs and was really the best in the world at his weight for most of eight-plus years, with a loss that he easily avenged. Jones has just past the three-year mark. St-Pierre beat three UFC champions (Hughes, Serra and Penn) and two Strikeforce champions (Jake Shields and Diaz). He fought all the best, and welterweight was a deep division the entire period he was champion. And he dominated everyone until Hendricks. Between his two title reigns, he finished four of 13 opponents.
Generally speaking, arguments about UFC's all-time greatest have come down to Anderson Silva and Georges St-Pierre, the dominant stars of the modern era. With both out of action due to injuries, it has left the best fighter spotlight open to Jones, Renan Barao, Jose Aldo, Cain Velasquez, Demetrious Johnson and even Ronda Rousey. But Stann's argument was that Jones, at 26, has already beaten better competition, and beaten them by a far more decisive manner than Silva or St-Pierre.
Jones' unique physical attributes and skills have had people talking greatness for him since his win over Stephan Bonnar in 2009, less than nine months after his first pro fight. By the time he won the title from Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, nobody was arguing his potential to be the biggest star in the company at some point. But being the all-time greatest is something established over time. Without question, Jones has accomplished more at the same age than Silva, who was an 8-1 middleweight at the same stage. St-Pierre was 15-2 before his 27th birthday, and was considered the best in his division as interim champion. But he had not beaten fighters the caliber of those Jones has at this point.
Jones has also reached the top without any career hiccups like Silva had in his pre-UFC days, and St-Pierre had with Matt Hughes and Matt Serra.
Jones has made seven successful light heavyweight title defenses, putting him behind Silva's ten (2007-2013) and St-Pierre's nine (2008-2013). But an asterisk should be in place regarding Aldo, who, if you include WEC defenses, which you should given that was the top promotion in the world for the featherweights when he won the title, would have eight, spanning 2009 to the present.
Where Jones stands out is his victims list. Jones has beaten five former UFC champions, Rua, Rampage Jackson, Lyoto Machida, Rashad Evans and Vitor Belfort, as well as Teixeira, coming off a 20-fight winning streak. While Belfort had been fighting a weight class under, as had another victim, Chael Sonnen, the list is unprecedented. He's had five finishes in those eight fights (including the title win). In that time period, he's lost only two or three rounds (one or two to Alexander Gustafsson, one to Belfort).
The comments on him from Saturday night was how he fought Teixeira where Teixeira figured to be at his strongest, and almost completely shut him down. That was the same thing people said about St-Pierre at the same stage of his career, when he shut down Hughes at wrestling. St-Pierre often challenged guys where they were best, outwrestling high-level wrestlers like Hughes, Josh Koscheck and Jon Fitch, going to the ground with Matt Serra, and outstriking Nick Diaz.
Jones (20-1) has the edge on St-Pierre (25-2) in that he's really never lost a fight. The Matt Hamill disqualification loss was a fight he dominated and came from a series of questionable calls. By all rights, Jones should be undefeated. St-Pierre clearly lost, and was finished, twice, and many argue he lost a third time to Johny Hendricks. Some would argue Jones should have lost to Gustafsson, but that was really the only close call in his career.
St-Pierre's edge is time, as he had two title runs and was really the best in the world at his weight for most of eight-plus years, with a loss that he easily avenged. Jones has just past the three-year mark. St-Pierre beat three UFC champions (Hughes, Serra and Penn) and two Strikeforce champions (Jake Shields and Diaz). He fought all the best, and welterweight was a deep division the entire period he was champion. And he dominated everyone until Hendricks. Between his two title reigns, he finished four of 13 opponents.