5 Sats?

[squirtNcider]

I currently have 4 sats....91-110-119-129 and will soon be adding a 22Khz switch to the diseq to get 82.
I have read that the receivers cant really power up the 4 lnbs I am using right now, which may be the prob for not getting all the 129 TPs to lock in, but others on 129 do.
My question is, what type of power inserter or powered switch should I get? I have never used one before and this is new. Read a lot and looked around ebay but not sure what to get......power inserter that plugs into the wall behind the receiver, dpp44 switch...(not sure if nano hd is compatible with it).
Any ideas on what exactly to get?
Thanks
Also, 3 reg lnbs on an oval dish (110-119-129) and 2 lnbs on circular dish (82-91)

[Terryl]

If you use a 22 KHz switch then you will only be powering 3 LNB's on one side and 2 on the other. (one LNB at a time)

When you go to more then 2 receivers and 3 LNB's (4x4 switch) you run into power problems, as the switch supplies power to all LNB's at the same time, (so the other receivers can watch the other satellites independent from each other) also the switch if it's an un-powered one has to draw DC current from the reciver, this is why most 4x4 switches need a DC power inserter, and the 3 headed LNB from Dish (D1000) need the extra DC power, as they have to run all 3 LNB's and an internal switch at the same time.

[squirtNcider]

So technically I don't need a switch then. The receiver has all the power it needs with the way I have my set-up? Have pretty good signal and quality right now but just cant seem to get 129 to 'lock in' to all TP's which is why I thought the switch may be needed. Maybe just have to move the dish a little to get all TP's from 129.
Thanks for the info.

[Terryl]

Well you will need some switches, one 4x1 Diseqc to go between the 3 separate LNB's on the Dish side, a second Diseqc 4x1 to go between the 2 separate LNB's on the BEV side, and the 22 KHz to go between the two Diseqc switches and down to the receiver.

Switching would be,

Diseqc port #1 = 119, 22 KHz off.
Diseqc port #2 = 110, 22 KHz off.
Diseqc port #3 = 129, 22 KHz off.
Diseqc port #1 = 91, 22 KHz on.
Diseqc port #2 = 82, 22 KHz on.

Both dishes and all switches need to be bonded to each other with #12 gauge copper wire, then to the main earth ground, run all dish/switch grounds to one point, then one lead to the earth ground.

And all LNB's need to be of the same type and manufacture, mixing different brands could bring in some problems, and using DP twins with DP singles will not work.

[Terryl]

So technically I don't need a switch then. The receiver has all the power it needs with the way I have my set-up? Have pretty good signal and quality right now but just cant seem to get 129 to 'lock in' to all TP's which is why I thought the switch may be needed. Maybe just have to move the dish a little to get all TP's from 129.
Thanks for the info.

The 3 satellite setup for 110/119/129 is sometimes a headache to setup, nomaly you peak and tweak on 119 as it is the center satellite, then very very very slowly adjust the skew on the dish to get 110 and 129 in as good as you can get, you may have to sacrifice a bit of "Q" on 110 to get 129 in.

However there is a small problem, 129 has a funny footprint, it does not have the same signal strength all over as 110 and 119, in some places you need a bigger dish for 129 then for 119 and 110.

Out here on the West coast we have this problem, in the San Fransisco bay area you can use an 18" dish for 129, but go 150 miles inland and you need a 30", I have this problem and I practically live right under 129, so I have to split the system for the 110/119/129 setup.

I used a standard Dish 500 with two DP single LNB's on it, and a 39" dish for 129 with a DP single on it, all this runs into a DPP44 switch, works great, peaked and tweaked for 110/119, then did the same for 129.

Here is an active footprint map for 129W, select the CONUS beam, as the one for Canada is not active, zoom into your location and click on it, this will give you the estimated dish size needed for 129 at your location.


http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?norad=33453

If you look at the map you will see the funny footprint for 129.

[squirtNcider]

Okay, it is telling me that 18" dish is good. I had it aimed by a sat guy but we had some good storms the last few days and think it moved. Didn't move much as 110/119 are still good but just lost some TP's for 129. Is there better TP's to use for aiming as Im gonna try and tweak it myself. Mainly just 119 and 129....which ones are good to use.
Also, I was gonna do this with the 2 dishes....
Diseq 1- 119
Diseq 2- 129
Diseq 3- 91
Diseq 4- 110
Diseq 4- 82 (22Khz on) Putting 110 and 82 in the 22 KHz switch.
Will thgis be ok or is it better the way you suggested...Not hard to make it your way if needed.

Thanks for all the help so far.

[Terryl]

With all 5 LNB's being separate one's you can setup the switching anyway you want to.

And the best TP on 129 to use is TP12516, it is an SD beam, and can be picked up on most receivers.

The dish your using for 129, does it also have the LNB's on it for 110 and 119??

If so, what type is it?

[squirtNcider]

Yes.....an oval dish with slots for 3 lnb's. Says 101-110-119 on the actual bracket itself.

[Terryl]

Thats your problem, the bracket is wrong, the spacing is off for 129, the spacing for 110 from 119 is 9 degrees, 119 to 129 is 10 degrees, so if that bracket is setup for 101 on the left (looking from the back of the dish) you will be off by 1 degree on the 129 spacing, that may not seem like much but with the quirkiness of 129 it will affect the signal.

Get the correctly spaced bracket for 110/119/129, and see what that does.

Spacing for the correct bracket looking from the back of the dish, 129---10 degrees----119---9 degrees---110

Spacing on your bracket looking from the back of the dish, 119---9 degrees---110---9 degrees---119, so if you use your bracket your off by 1 degree if you put the 129 LNB where the 119 is marked.

[squirtNcider]

Wow.....Never even thought of that but should have......So I should be able to get the proper bracket and just replace it with the one I have now and all should be good? Don't think I will have to move the dish at all.......

[Terryl]

You may have to tweak it a bit, but it should work better if the 129 LNB was in the correct position for the best signal.

[squirtNcider]

Ok....Got them all hooked up and now everything works except 129. I have 98 signal and 87 quality (some 86) and none of the TP's will lock in. When I channel scan, no channels.......weird.
Is there anything I did wrong with 129?