Has C-Band (BUD) Satellite been hacked?

[majorsat]

Does anyone have any information on the c-band satellite hack being discussed on other forums? A coder is suppose to have hacked PowerVu which is used to secure backhaul (c-band) transmissions to headends.

A while back a German coder named Kolibri reverse-engineered some Scientific Atlanta IRDs (which use PowerVu) and now rumors are circulating everywhere that he will be releasing to the public.

If this is true, it will be fantastic news for testers!;)

[majorsat]

Confirmed today (Friday, December 06, 2014) that the PowerVu encryption used on C-band (big dish) satellilte is hacked. A day that will live in infamy!

[skywalker999]

So maybe i should keep my big ugly 10 footer for the moment

[Anubis]

Confirmed today (Friday, December 06, 2014) that the PowerVu encryption used on C-band (big dish) satellilte is hacked. A day that will live in infamy!

Would be nice if you could back this up so that those that have such a set up can try it.

[Costactc]

So maybe i should keep my big ugly 10 footer for the moment

I would hold on to it for a while.

[Anubis]

Thinking out loud here...
If this is the case then are we starting all over again?
I know BUDS have never died but to have a open stream again? Seems a little too good. Especially for the cottage owners!:thumbsup:

[Costactc]

And to the hundreds of potentially open premium channels.

[majorsat]

It looks like coders moved to a new site at satellitetesters.com

Says they are cracking the keys and will take several months, but progress is being made. They are also asking public to log European and Asian PowerVu Emms.

Good news I guess...

[Costactc]

Considering that changes to nag 3 are about to take place, this could be a solution to those that have a BUD.

[majorsat]

Considering that changes to nag 3 are about to take place, this could be a solution to those that have a BUD.

Good point. If Dish and Directv are secure, then people will migrate back to c-band buds just like in the old days!

This is not such a bad thing because there will be fewer hackers and less of a bother to the broadcasters, who may not be as aggressive with countermeasures.

But the best part of going back to c-band is the superior picture quality!

[majorsat]

Thinking out loud here...
If this is the case then are we starting all over again?

Yup, it looks like we have completed the circle!

[iq180]

Go here for files & info, hxxp//colibri.bplaced.net/powervu.htm

[majorsat]

Another update at satellitetesters:


PowerVu Logging Project Update (Jan 12, 2015 Update)
Almost all PowerVu keys for C-band satellite 135W have been found:

CMT HD
MTV HD
Nick HD
Palladia HD
Spike HD
Comedy Central HD
Fusion HD
HGTV HD
Food Network HD
DIY HD
Cooking HD
Travel HD
GAC HD
Epix 1 HD
Epix 2 HD
Epix 3 HD
GolTV

[whoknows]

Is satellitetesters in the cement business?

[n3fta]

Looks like its time I go get myself a BUD. I'm assuming I'll need a receiver upgrade as well. Will have to look deeper onto this after work tonight.

[zelig]

an old euro forum site once had an interesting thread on homemade dishes.I looked that up again for ideas.
One was that spray insulation foam in a can that gets hard sprayed on a big inflated balloon to get the shape for making a spherical dish. The guy used a 3 foot balloon but for practical use it would have to be much larger,like a weather balloon size.

[sideswiper]

Good point. If Dish and Directv are secure, then people will migrate back to c-band buds just like in the old days!

This is not such a bad thing because there will be fewer hackers and less of a bother to the broadcasters, who may not be as aggressive with countermeasures.

But the best part of going back to c-band is the superior picture quality!
Sure do not have to worry about rain Fade my DSR-922 NEVER EVER looses Signal

[hollerboy]

anymore news?

[Costactc]

There site was scheduled to go online on March 1, still not up. Apparently almost all pvu channels from 121-135w have been opened.

[majorsat]

There site was scheduled to go online on March 1, still not up. Apparently almost all pvu channels from 121-135w have been opened.

It opened! I just saw it now. Looks like a great site.

[nob0dy]

interesting , look who's their .............

[iq180]

It opened! I just saw it now. Looks like a great site.
That's not what I call open, it's been like that for over a week now.

[Costactc]

That's not what I call open, it's been like that for over a week now.

Just add forum to the site address IQ.

[iq180]

Just add forum to the site address IQ.
Thanks, it was my computer blocking it, all is good now.

[majorsat]

Some great threads at that place! Some keys have been leaked and a bunch of coders are working on an FTA fix for PowerVu.

[whoknows]

Some great threads at that place! Some keys have been leaked and a bunch of coders are working on an FTA fix for PowerVu.

Really. Don't run out and have a 10 footer installed just yet unless you have another use for it if powervu doesn't go. :noidea:

[Pop026]

interesting , look who's their .............

That is really interesting.
Is that a same one from past?
or
Could he/she be a famous sat_dude?

[majorsat]

Really. Don't run out and have a 10 footer installed just yet unless you have another use for it if powervu doesn't go. :noidea:

Just going by what I read...see here:




http://www.satellitetesters.com/foru...ead.php?tid=81


http://www.satellitetesters.com/foru...ad.php?tid=102


http://www.satellitetesters.com/foru...ead.php?tid=18


It reminds me of the old AVR3 days when people would enter keys to watch tv on Dish!

[steveOtoo]

Links appear to be DOA.................

[whoknows]

Just going by what I read...see here:



It reminds me of the old AVR3 days when people would enter keys to watch tv on Dish!


Here is what I read
C/P

Have coders made more progress on the powervu hack?

Yes!

I have managed to brute-force some of the keys for cband powervu.


All this gibberish means to me is they don't know what they are talking about and have done nothing.

[Anubis]

Really. Don't run out and have a 10 footer installed just yet unless you have another use for it if powervu doesn't go. :noidea:

Well he could flip it, cover it and use it for a patio umbrella.:D

[majorsat]

The c-band (powervu) hack is very real, but one big coder over at the new forum is keeping keys to himself. He has hinted at a DM800 fix in the coming weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if they charge...

[jvvh5897]

They are posting ecm decoding keys not box keys--if they were to post box keys then the stream to that box could be shut off. They say they will release free ware. Odds are that there will be no box that will run Pvu--the processor data sheets are not available, and/or the processors do not seem to be able to do the DES decryption method required--so likely only on PC with tuner.

[iq180]

They are posting ecm decoding keys not box keys--if they were to post box keys then the stream to that box could be shut off. They say they will release free ware. Odds are that there will be no box that will run Pvu--the processor data sheets are not available, and/or the processors do not seem to be able to do the DES decryption method required--so likely only on PC with tuner.
That's why I didn't go out and buy a new receiver, I think the AZbox will be the best option because it is a computer too.

[majorsat]

They are posting ecm decoding keys not box keys--if they were to post box keys then the stream to that box could be shut off. They say they will release free ware. Odds are that there will be no box that will run Pvu--the processor data sheets are not available, and/or the processors do not seem to be able to do the DES decryption method required--so likely only on PC with tuner.

Based on what I have read, I would have to agree with you. But wouldn't the manufacturer of some of these FTA receivers be tempted to "leak" a PV fix? After all, they would have the datasheets and extra sales would be tempting. ;)

Time will tell...

[majorsat]

That's why I didn't go out and buy a new receiver.

Me too. If they could have released a receiver fix by now, they would have done so. I am starting to think that powervu is like DirecTV encryption. It is proprietary and not easily ported to FTA receivers. Has there ever been a DirecTV hack on an FTA box? Never.

There was an interesting post about a "modded" receiver hack at the new forum. Basically, coders seem to be throwing in the towel for a pure software fix and may resort to modifying the guts of the receiver to process powervu.

Still smart not to buy anything until a working fix is released!

[tropicaldahl]

Definitely good news for those who want to try it out but too good to be true.

[majorsat]

I think because the hack is so new, coders need time to digest it and find all the keys too!

[nob0dy]

That is really interesting.
Is that a same one from past?
or
Could he/she be a famous sat_dude?

my guess is it's the same Flash , i'll use the words " guess " for now .............. MyBB - very easy to SLQ .......... : HINT : HINT : .......... site will remain up on my end of the screen per request from my a live forum & friend .......

@ the sat_dude comment .......... hell it could be you as far as i know ;D

[Nostradamus]

"dood" was a long way from being famous. bottom feeding scammers are usually more associated with the word infamy. I do wish I knew where he is hanging his hats these days though as I would like to pop in and say hello

[Benney]

"dood" was a long way from being famous. bottom feeding scammers are usually more associated with the word infamy. I do wish I knew where he is hanging his hats these days though as I would like to pop in and say hello

Well I know where he isn't hanging out and I really miss the comic section right now!

[Pop026]

my guess is it's the same Flash , i'll use the words " guess " for now .............. MyBB - very easy to SLQ .......... : HINT : HINT : ..........

If I remember correctly, he did start as mod on al7, but I may be wrong.

site will remain up on my end of the screen per request from my a live forum & friend
Must be a good friend, lol


@ the sat_dude comment .......... hell it could be you as far as i know ;D

It could be, lol.
But, then, knowing your reputation, you could check that in seconds,

[Pop026]

..... I do wish I knew where he is hanging his hats these days though as I would like to pop in and say hello

There was a old fart on other site, I think he was called WebWizard, or something like that, who said he may PM every member on that, new site, to find doushbag _dude.

[Pop026]

and I really miss the comic section right now!

Yes, it was fun
More like a comic strip on 20some pages

[Nostradamus]

yeah a lot of old farts disappeared when that site folded. I wonder where they all wnet or if they just scattered to the wind ;)

[abouttosnap]

Think I know where a few of em maybe hanging out now...possible under different member names now.

[Benney]

Think I know where a few of em maybe hanging out now...possible under different member names now.

We are out there!

[Angel Eyes]

anyone wants to find us ..knows were to go....https://www.google.com/logos/doodles/2015/st-patricks-day-2015-5203623298465792-res.png (https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en)

[Benney]

anyone wants to find us ..knows were to go....https://www.google.com/logos/doodles/2015/st-patricks-day-2015-5203623298465792-res.png (https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en)

I tested that out and it works quite well.:thumbsup:

[Pop026]

Think I know where a few of em maybe hanging out now...possible under different member names now.

;) Could be; that never crossed my mind. :D

[Pop026]

..... I wonder where they all wnet or...... ;)
;) :tehe: I think you made a typo there :D :D :D

[Pop026]

We are out there!

And
The truth is out there

[Nostradamus]

;) :tehe: I think you made a typo there :D :D :Dnot the first and will not be the last :)

[majorsat]

Still no powervu receiver hack!

One guy using EyeEmu said it takes a minimum of 600MHz cpu power to decode powervu on his Mac. Wow!

[steven charles]

my question is why don,t they just come out with a new receiver that can handle powervu,they would make a lot of mula....

[Nostradamus]

OK if the post above yours is accurate that is the reason right there. You would need a manufacturer with proper skills and quality components, both of which Chinese market can't supply. If the hack really exists it would take a lot of money to develop and prototype a unit for a much smaller market than those currently using FTA to hack sats. Even if it is hacked no one knows if the hack would be made public.

Assuming it is hacked and made public. You would need a receiver with a board more similar to a motherboard in a computer and a similar type of power supply to run the processors, RAM, cooling fan, etc. There would also be the investment in a dish, cabling, etc and when all is said and done it would be like back in the 80s where you have a bunch of money tied up in something that will not last for long and even though you might have a bunch of channels you would have to channel surf to see what is on because there would be no epg available

[nob0dy]

If I remember correctly, he did start as mod on al7, but I may be wrong.

Must be a good friend, lol



It could be, lol.
But, then, knowing your reputation, you could check that in seconds,

everything i do , like now being silent ........... i have my reasons .............. @ the reputation comment , are you trying to get DOXed ?

[steveOtoo]

OK if the post above yours is accurate that is the reason right there. You would need a manufacturer with proper skills and quality components, both of which Chinese market can't supply. If the hack really exists it would take a lot of money to develop and prototype a unit for a much smaller market than those currently using FTA to hack sats. Even if it is hacked no one knows if the hack would be made public.

Assuming it is hacked and made public. You would need a receiver with a board more similar to a motherboard in a computer and a similar type of power supply to run the processors, RAM, cooling fan, etc. There would also be the investment in a dish, cabling, etc and when all is said and done it would be like back in the 80s where you have a bunch of money tied up in something that will not last for long and even though you might have a bunch of channels you would have to channel surf to see what is on because there would be no epg availableJust put together an ITX 4 core with 8g ddr3 1600 with an integrated amd radeon 8330 gpu 2 hdmi ports out running win7 Ultimate with Kodi and Genpix with DVBPlus using Acamd in an old computer case for under $140.00. Unit works at 35watts. Genpix now has a DVBs-2 out.

[Benney]

And
The truth is out there


hahaha and you will never know because you don't believe.:comfort1:

[Pop026]

hahaha and you will never know because you don't believe.:comfort1:
That's what you think.
My name is
Mulder
Fox Mulder

[majorsat]

OK if the post above yours is accurate that is the reason right there. You would need a manufacturer with proper skills and quality components, both of which Chinese market can't supply. If the hack really exists it would take a lot of money to develop and prototype a unit for a much smaller market than those currently using FTA to hack sats. Even if it is hacked no one knows if the hack would be made public.

Assuming it is hacked and made public. You would need a receiver with a board more similar to a motherboard in a computer and a similar type of power supply to run the processors, RAM, cooling fan, etc. There would also be the investment in a dish, cabling, etc and when all is said and done it would be like back in the 80s where you have a bunch of money tied up in something that will not last for long and even though you might have a bunch of channels you would have to channel surf to see what is on because there would be no epg available

I agree with you. The Chinese are mostly copycats that turn out cheap stuff. If any working receiver fix comes out, it will probably happen in Europe or USA and if it isn't protected somehow, the Chinese will clone it. The Chinese may even attemp to clone the OEM equipment produced by Scientific Atlanta. Why not? They were built for the powervu stuff!

As for the epg, I believe it is streamed on the mux but it is encrypted. I am not 100% sure, but every powervu mux you scan has an "OS Download" for the receiver. This may just be firmware but it may also contain the guide info. Another way to get guide info would be over the net. Just make an xml table or whatever and people could download it. They do this a lot in Europe.

[Pop026]

everything i do , like now being silent ........... i have my reasons .............. @ the reputation comment , are you trying to get DOXed ?

DoXed?
Lol, no
I learned my lesson back in al7 and Korian sites days.
For all forum chats and posts I use some of neighbors open wi-fi connections.
Plenty of business shops and apartment buildings around me

[dishuser]

DoXed?
Lol, no
I learned my lesson back in al7 and Korian sites days.
For all forum chats and posts I use some of neighbors open wi-fi connections.
Plenty of business shops and apartment buildings around me
so what?
you know how to modify your pc settings to?
you must be folcan...only he was so arrogant and stupid..lol

[hondoharry]

so what?
you know how to modify your pc settings to?
you must be folcan...only he was so arrogant and stupid..lol

You mean there is someone even more arrogant?

[iq180]

The EPG is not a problem if you have a receiver that will get the DN guide just use that, after all they are the same CHs.

[Nostradamus]

so now you need a KU setup as well and a DN receiver? starting to sound way to complicated for the free tv'ers

[iq180]

so now you need a KU setup as well and a DN receiver? starting to sound way to complicated for the free tv'ers
Well I have a DN sub, allways did so it's no problem for me and I think you will find that most members here have a DN sub, if not
just use there fta receiver they have now if it has a guide, after all there fta receiver is not going to work for DN after May.

[Nostradamus]

yep that is true. Just want to make sure that anybody considering this should not expect even the 2 hour guide many of them have with FTA and that is only if the thing does become a legitimate hack as well as the whole thing is really nothing much more than a rumor at this point. AT best , if it exists, you need a PC with a tuner card at this point. That is a long way from a STB running wide open

[hondoharry]

Since the video sources are from so many different providers I don't have much hope for guide and info. Anyway, for now the FTA box suggestion is a good work around as well as online guides like TitanTV easily viewed on any device.

[jvvh5897]

Well, if you tune in the AFN on 99 C band you will see a fine EPG. The other TP not so much. Just like most true FTA, the EPG functions are hit and miss.

[Pop026]

so what?
you know how to modify your pc settings to?
you must be folcan...only he was so arrogant and stupid..lol

Yo, grasshopper, easy.
Lets keep it civilized

[majorsat]

Since the video sources are from so many different providers I don't have much hope for guide and info. Anyway, for now the FTA box suggestion is a good work around as well as online guides like TitanTV easily viewed on any device.

There are excellent plugins for Enigma 2 that allow you to create a 7-day EPG and put the list online somewhere. People could just download it into there receivers once a week!

The idea of snatching the guide info from Dish would work too, but there would be missing channels. Dish doesn't carry all the cband channels, plus what about Latin American stuff? Canadian stuff? European stuff? International stuff? Also, stuff like MeTV and all kinds of feeds are not carried by Dish so there would be no guide info.

I think snatching EPG info from titantv and other online sources (like broadcaster websites) would be best option! :yes:

[kutter]

OK if the post above yours is accurate that is the reason right there. You would need a manufacturer with proper skills and quality components, both of which Chinese market can't supply. If the hack really exists it would take a lot of money to develop and prototype a unit for a much smaller market than those currently using FTA to hack sats. Even if it is hacked no one knows if the hack would be made public.

Assuming it is hacked and made public. You would need a receiver with a board more similar to a motherboard in a computer and a similar type of power supply to run the processors, RAM, cooling fan, etc. There would also be the investment in a dish, cabling, etc and when all is said and done it would be like back in the 80s where you have a bunch of money tied up in something that will not last for long and even though you might have a bunch of channels you would have to channel surf to see what is on because there would be no epg available

the extra horsepower is required to decrypt DES using software ... so it shouldn't be used as any form of benchmark ... many FTA receivers have processors that support DES and if someone figures out how to take advantage of the hardware routines it will not require anything special ...

[Nostradamus]

well much of the junk on the market now can not even power an LNB, good luck with an actuator or are they going back to cranking the BUDs by hand? They are also going to have to find some real coders with the ability of reverse engineering things. Their current staff is not that smart because the majority of them never did figure out how to solve EPG or PVR issues. Their solution, rebrand the junk they currently have and sell it as a different version or another brand and do another cash grab while customers hope for the best and future support with a new model.

possibly the coding issues are not the fault of the coders but the limitation of RAM available. If that is the case then any current FTA boxes running a different hack is going to have some type of issues as well for the same reasons. Who knows or really cares? I know I don't care at all, but it is quite amusing sitting on the outside watching the spin doctors do their thing. At this time the whole thing is a moot point anyway as there is no real proof of a hack of any type and incredibly there are people running from site to site trying to sell C band dishes and already talking about FTA box conversions. Hmmmmm :)

[nob0dy]

DoXed?
Lol, no
I learned my lesson back in al7 and Korian sites days.
For all forum chats and posts I use some of neighbors open wi-fi connections.
Plenty of business shops and apartment buildings around me

is this a challenge ? might as well tell me ur IP , modem keeps logs of all connections ...............

[kutter]

well much of the junk on the market now can not even power an LNB, good luck with an actuator or are they going back to cranking the BUDs by hand? They are also going to have to find some real coders with the ability of reverse engineering things. Their current staff is not that smart because the majority of them never did figure out how to solve EPG or PVR issues. Their solution, rebrand the junk they currently have and sell it as a different version or another brand and do another cash grab while customers hope for the best and future support with a new model.

possibly the coding issues are not the fault of the coders but the limitation of RAM available. If that is the case then any current FTA boxes running a different hack is going to have some type of issues as well for the same reasons. Who knows or really cares? I know I don't care at all, but it is quite amusing sitting on the outside watching the spin doctors do their thing. At this time the whole thing is a moot point anyway as there is no real proof of a hack of any type and incredibly there are people running from site to site trying to sell C band dishes and already talking about FTA box conversions. Hmmmmm :)

I agree with you, it's highly unlikely, that anything will ever come of it ... at least not something that will appeal to the masses ...

[majorsat]

well much of the junk on the market now can not even power an LNB, good luck with an actuator or are they going back to cranking the BUDs by hand?

I agree with you completely. DO NOT buy junk made in China. Find an American company and do business with them. Remember, cband market is now a niche market dedicated to supporting cable headends. The stuff they sell is very high quality, but costs more. Companies like Chaparral Communications! If you need a reliable LNB or actuator controller, check out Titanium Satellites.

[siegfried]

Dreambox receivers with special tuner are confirmed working on cband satellite. Pictures have been posted in another section of the receiver hack.

[whoknows]

Dreambox receivers with special tuner are confirmed working on cband satellite. Pictures have been posted in another section of the receiver hack.

lol.......satdude .
If you wanted to invest in something you would buy into netflix. It is expected to double in value in the next year. You can watch tv and the return is much better than throwing 1500 plus at a bud, cement, pole, actuator, cabling and another receiver in hopes that power vu is cracked and end up with an expensive roof for a gazebo. Good luck and hope you find your way back.

[siegfried]

I got netflix but want live tv too. Also, got a cap on my internet and it is already bad enough with neflix and would get even worse if I added another iptv service.

Lots of used buds being given away in my area so I won't be spending much on that.

[Anubis]

roof for a gazebo.

I believe I said patio umbrella.;)