Mayweather/Pacquiao......Not So Fast.

[The Cobra]

Floyd Mayweather Still Fails to Take Yes for Answer from Manny Pacquiao


January 22nd, 2015




By Ivan G. Goldman
You don’t have to look too closely to see all the signs that Floyd Mayweather once again refuses to take yes for an answer from Manny Pacquiao.
Lately he’s endorsed a statement from someone in his entourage who went online raving that there are no real negotiations for a May 2 showdown, that Bob Arum is a kind of devil, and that Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, has signed a secret deal with casino operators in Macau that prevents him from letting Pacquiao fight anywhere else (which would mean negotiations for a fight in Las Vegas are a sham).
At least I think that’s what he said. It’s hard to know, exactly. It’s a puzzling, topsy-turvy rant from Alex Ariza, the guy who once kicked Parkinson’s disease sufferer Freddie Roach in the chest on camera. The kick came after he got tired of cruelly mimicking Roach’s speech, which is somewhat impaired from the disease.
One point the less than kindhearted Ariza makes clearly in his tirade is that he considers everyone in the media to be a bozo. The guy is really worked up, though it’s not clear why. Maybe he should check his medicine cabinet for tranquilizing agents.
“Thanks for setting the record straight, Alex Ariza,” tweeted an admiring Mayweather. See that comma between the words “straight” and “Alex”? That literate detail is a strong clue he got someone else to send the tweet. Floyd has admitted his literacy level isn’t terribly high.
If Mayweather were more of a reader and got out from under his traveling entourage, which includes bodyguards glaring daggers at anyone who gets within forty feet of their master, he’d be able to gauge public sentiment more accurately.
Anyway, he may be setting up the public for another pay-per-view opponent for May 2, the closest Saturday to Cinco de Mayo, a sacred holiday to hard drinkers all over America. Or maybe these antics are just part of the negotiating process. According to Arum, Pacquiao has said yes to everything – money split, blood testing, etc. By the way, that might not be completely true either.
Arum once said that Antonio Margarito, caught with loads in his hand wraps, was being picked on by the California commission just because he’s a Mexican. The commission was filled with ethnic minorities, including the Mexican-American kind.
Big-time media such as the Los Angeles Times report that deep sources confirm negotiations are going on. The reason I know this is true is Arum’s declaration that Les Moonves, the big chief of CBS and Showtime, is a participant.
Arum, infamous for once saying yesterday he was lying but today he’s telling the truth, is too smart to use the Moonves name in vain. Moonves could squash him like a bug. Which is why it’s nuts to believe Arum is pulling both Showtime and HBO into protracted negotiations for a fight in Las Vegas that legally can’t happen. That’s the kind of lie that could destroy his company.
Pacquiao says he’s agreed to everything Mayweather’s team demanded and that if he doesn’t get a signature from him by the end of the month he’ll move on. Mayweather says it’s terribly difficult to negotiate with Arum and that he wants the fight to happen. Which doesn’t jibe with the rant from Ariza.
Mayweather, a man who recently called himself “Money” before switching to TBE (The Best Ever), periodically shows up on videos caressing, cherishing and paying homage to big bundles of cash. Yet he fights for far smaller purses than he’d make fighting Pacquiao.
That doesn’t make sense to Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, Sugar Ray Leonard, and lots of other fight luminaries who say Mayweather is afraid to fight explosive southpaw Pacquiao. It would be the biggest-money fight in history. Floyd says he wants Arum out of the way. In other words, fire your promoter, Manny, even though you have a contract with him, and maybe we’ll talk.
None of this penetrates Floyd’s hard-core fans, who form a kind of Flat Earth Society that sometimes says Pacquiao isn’t worth fighting and sometimes that Arum won’t allow the fight to happen. Oddsmakers have made Floyd a 3-1 favorite for May 2 – if there’s a fight.
I wouldn’t bet on that last part. But hey, there’s always another Cinco de Mayo.


Cobra
Like i said day 1.....there will be no fight.








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[Fibroso]

Good post, lots of controversy in the makings of this event. Now with the Macau thing even worse. Even though, if concrete, Pac will step in the ring as an underdog for the first time in his career, and you know what, will lose a decision in Vegas. lol

[Highwayman]

I agree the fight wont happen but if it does the ignorant coward pbf will go down in 6
like he would have years ago and he knows it!!!

[The Cobra]

Good post, lots of controversy in the makings of this event. Now with the Macau thing even worse. Even though, if concrete, Pac will step in the ring as an underdog for the first time in his career, and you know what, will lose a decision in Vegas. lol

What kind of "fight" would it be without the generated controversy of Pac/PBF.....we both know that all the controversial stuff was at one time designed to sell the fight but after a while it took on a personality of it`s own and just ran haywire between the 2 camps. We`ll never know who`d have won the fight when they were in their prime (actually my guess was Pac) but now is a far different story. Style of fighting, wear and tear over the years and age of the 2 fighters I`d go with PBF on a decision.....of course lending to the idea of another fight if the 2 could get out of their respective wheelchairs. There is a huge fan base for both which gives promoters an open end ticket to make money and that`s never a good thing.

[aquariusone]

What kind of "fight" would it be without the generated controversy of Pac/PBF.....we both know that all the controversial stuff was at one time designed to sell the fight but after a while it took on a personality of it`s own and just ran haywire between the 2 camps. We`ll never know who`d have won the fight when they were in their prime (actually my guess was Pac) but now is a far different story. Style of fighting, wear and tear over the years and age of the 2 fighters I`d go with PBF on a decision.....of course lending to the idea of another fight if the 2 could get out of their respective wheelchairs. There is a huge fan base for both which gives promoters an open end ticket to make money and that`s never a good thing.

Wow, for a moment I thought I was reading a Dan Rafael's commentary (above). You impressed me immensely with your thoughtful remarks.

Now, let's get back to the practical and anticipated reality of this issue. You said it. I said it. Highwayman agrees with it. We all knew at the outset that this is a bubble that will burst, regardless of what every boxing Hall of Famer says. Regardless of Ali, Hearns, Tyson, or Leonard's prodding. Mayweather will scuttle it. Let us quit reading speculative theories - Arum, Macau, Ariza - it is all bull sh@#$t.

Mayweather shudders at the sight of Pacquiao's shadow. Mayweather is envious of the little man's stature and accomplishments. If you were to remove Manny out of the boxing picture, Mayweather could have announced to the world his god-likeness with his gazillions and his zero a long time ago.

No matter how this story ends - which I think it has already - one thing is for sure. Mayweather's stature will never equal or surpass his rival. He will forever be known as....."The Greatest Boxer Who Never Was".

[The Cobra]

I don`t know why it`s taken this long to impress you?????? I could have told you I was a genius from the outset!!!! LMAO

You`re absolutely right that Pac is and has been a huge thorn in the side of Mayweather`s claim to be No.1. I`ll agree that PBF as we`ve said before, is a publicity whore and anything in his way of his self proclaimed greatness, anything raising a question of his infallibility would take a beating verbally if PBF isn`t 100% sure he can beat him in the ring. For years Pac is the only question mark in PBF great unblemished career and if PBF isn`t sure he can beat Pac he`ll beat everyone`s ears off insisting he would. Pac will walk off into the sunset with his followers as will PBF..............Pac will sleep well even tho there is a step unturned......PBF won`t..... and therein lies the difference between the two fighters.

[Fibroso]

go down in 6
like he would have years ago and he knows it!!!

Hamburger man, you really think so. Pac can't knock out anyone, he hasn't for years. Before when he had a little help from his friends, yes he could've had. Floyd is getting old and wise, you can't envy a guy that has nothing on you. maybe Carlos Slim or some one wealthier than him. He will do as he please, make a few more mills and retire. Pac is not a target for him, now Pac needs PBF to put him were he was before the JMM straight right to his face. Self-proclaim what., every voter elects him as the P4P best. Forbes has him as one of the wealthiest athletes in the World and his undefeated record speaks for itself. They haven't even stepped in the ring and this comes up!!!
Oddsmakers have made Floyd a 3-1 favorite for May 2 – if there’s a fight.

[The Cobra]

Hamburger man, you really think so. Pac can't knock out anyone, he hasn't for years. Before when he had a little help from his friends, yes he could've had. Floyd is getting old and wise, you can't envy a guy that has nothing on you. maybe Carlos Slim or some one wealthier than him. He will do as he please, make a few more mills and retire. Pac is not a target for him, now Pac needs PBF to put him were he was before the JMM straight right to his face. Self-proclaim what., every voter elects him as the P4P best. Forbes has him as one of the wealthiest athletes in the World and his undefeated record speaks for itself. They haven't even stepped in the ring and this comes up!!!

We both know it`s not about money..........just my thought that Pac MAY have won years ago(prime)....but like I said he`d lose now and for all the reasons you mentioned.

[Condor]

[h=1]
Cobra
Like i said day 1.....there will be no fight.




















.........And that is exactly what I have said all along.... And you all know why... Kirkirkikiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!! ....And you are wrong Cobra meister Don't ever underestimate Manny.. He will put a whooping on PBF http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab62/zyrus_o2jam/lmao.gif

[The Cobra]

LOL.........I don`t underestimate Manny........but he can`t beat PBF anymore(I don`t think). They both had their chance to prove something and they both blew it for one reason or another and now they`ll never be able to prove what the years have eroded......their talent.

[steven charles]

friend once again signs that this fight will never happen,i don,t know why the press keeps on writing that there might be a fight between pacman and mayweather,I stand on my word it will never happen,because pacman wants at least half and you know mayweather he wants at least 95%,thats called false advertisement....

[aquariusone]

Boxing News 24 has just posted an article by (an author named) Sizzle JKD. He drops names like Stephen Espinosa, VP of Showtime, and Les Moonves, CEO of CBS reporting that the fight will "finally be announced" by February 1, during the Super Bowl with Pacquaio and Mayweather both attending the event. Had me rolling on the floor!

One thing all this is doing, though, is keeping the chatter at this forum. Although Rudee doesn't want to break the promise not to comment anymore about this, I can bet you dollars to donuts, he is reading every single post. Any bets?

Meanwhile, two days from now, the Congressman will be a judge at the Miss Universe contest in Florida. I understand that Mayweather is also a judge at an Arm Wrestling Contest in Vegas followed by a "weed-smoking-green-buck-lighting" session.:tape::grr::no:

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[aquariusone]

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In case you missed it, Prince Harry invited Manny and Jinkee at the palace. Prince Harry wined and dined the couple at Buckingham Palace. He presented the prince with a pair of autographed boxing gloves.

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Meanwhile, where was the money man? At a basketball game betting on the Clippers.

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[Highwayman]

Hamburger man, you really think so. Pac can't knock out anyone, he hasn't for years. Before when he had a little help from his friends, yes he could've had. Floyd is getting old and wise, you can't envy a guy that has nothing on you. maybe Carlos Slim or some one wealthier than him. He will do as he please, make a few more mills and retire. Pac is not a target for him, now Pac needs PBF to put him were he was before the JMM straight right to his face. Self-proclaim what., every voter elects him as the P4P best. Forbes has him as one of the wealthiest athletes in the World and his undefeated record speaks for itself. They haven't even stepped in the ring and this comes up!!!

Oh yeah i think so all pacmans recent oppents have a tougher chin than pbf, he is old. pbf is the master of defense oh yeah but he hasnt faced the Pacman. No one has been able to test pbf`s chin because of his on the bicycle defense again he hasnt faced Manny Pacquiao.As far as Marquez knocking out Pacman that was not the first time the Pacman has been ko`ed he was ko`ed twice early in his career that didnt stop the Pacman!Pacman is unique thats why the chicken runs.As far as not needing the Pacman i beg to differ i for one will never recognize pbf as a true champion until he beats the pacman and millions of others will concur.

[The Cobra]

If Pac hadn`t had his brains rattled so many times he would have left Jinkee at home and been satisfied feasting on one of Harry`s ex girlfriends or the present one........
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[The Cobra]

Oh yeah i think so all pacmans recent oppents have a tougher chin than pbf, he is old. pbf is the master of defense oh yeah but he hasnt faced the Pacman. No one has been able to test pbf`s chin because of his on the bicycle defense again he hasnt faced Manny Pacquiao.As far as Marquez knocking out Pacman that was not the first time the Pacman has been ko`ed he was ko`ed twice early in his career that didnt stop the Pacman!Pacman is unique thats why the chicken runs.As far as not needing the Pacman i beg to differ i for one will never recognize pbf as a true champion until he beats the pacman and millions of others will concur.


The sad part is that these 2 bozo`s have cheated the sport and it`s fans out of a great fight (in it`s time). I call them both "Bozos" because they both are able to go to bed at night perfectly satisfied with all their respective great accomplishments yet not knowing in their heart who would have won when they were "the best". As has been mentioned re days gone by true fighters like Hearns, Hagler, Leonard , Duran, Cuevas etc etc fought each other because they HAD TO...they had to to know in their soul, for themselves, not the money, not the fans, not the sport, not anything but for themselves. They would have fought in a back alley for chump change found on the dressing room floor if need be....just to prove it to themselves. These were fighters...they sleep well knowing...................Pac and PBF will never know and the sad thing is they don`t appear to care. IF a fight occured now really they still wouldn`t know.....I hope it haunts them to their grave because if they are fighters....it will.

[The Cobra]

I`m waiting when this too has run it`s course for some guy to make up one of those computer generated fights and peddle it like the one they made of Ali/Marciano in their prime. Fan base is there and I`ll bet they`d eat it up.

[aquariusone]

The sad part is that these 2 bozo`s have cheated the sport and it`s fans out of a great fight (in it`s time). I call them both "Bozos" because they both are able to go to bed at night perfectly satisfied with all their respective great accomplishments yet not knowing in their heart who would have won when they were "the best". As has been mentioned re days gone by true fighters like Hearns, Hagler, Leonard , Duran, Cuevas etc etc fought each other because they HAD TO...they had to to know in their soul, for themselves, not the money, not the fans, not the sport, not anything but for themselves. They would have fought in a back alley for chump change found on the dressing room floor if need be....just to prove it to themselves. These were fighters...they sleep well knowing...................Pac and PBF will never know and the sad thing is they don`t appear to care. IF a fight occured now really they still wouldn`t know.....I hope it haunts them to their grave because if they are fighters....it will.

I am not sure if I am in complete agreement with you. The separate journey of these two "bozos" as you call them are very distinct. Pacquiao did not have a "zero" record at the start of his career as a professional boxer. He was not cherry picking his opponents. He did not have a compelling motivation to be the "very best boxer in the world". He just went about making every fight entertaining through his work ethics. He never boosted his ego and achievement by egotistical pronouncements. Even today, speaking about the prospect of maybe ending up facing Amir Khan, his humility and professional approach is simple: "We are friends. It is business. Nothing personal."

Thus, while the world is clamouring for the two best P4P to get in the ring for "fistory", it is the "other bozo's" legacy that is entirely at stake because he has always claimed to be "THE BEST EVER" (TBE).

And that is where the biggest distinction lies. Pacquiao sleeps at night content with what he has already accomplished. The other "bozo" is still wondering if he really is the "real deal". And it is that question in his mind that will keep him sleepless for the rest of his life - if he does not step into the ring with Pacman.

[The Cobra]

I am not sure if I am in complete agreement with you. The separate journey of these two "bozos" as you call them are very distinct. Pacquiao did not have a "zero" record at the start of his career as a professional boxer. He was not cherry picking his opponents. He did not have a compelling motivation to be the "very best boxer in the world". He just went about making every fight entertaining through his work ethics. He never boosted his ego and achievement by egotistical pronouncements. Even today, speaking about the prospect of maybe ending up facing Amir Khan, his humility and professional approach is simple: "We are friends. It is business. Nothing personal."

Thus, while the world is clamouring for the two best P4P to get in the ring for "fistory", it is the "other bozo's" legacy that is entirely at stake because he has always claimed to be "THE BEST EVER" (TBE).

And that is where the biggest distinction lies. Pacquiao sleeps at night content with what he has already accomplished. The other "bozo" is still wondering if he really is the "real deal". And it is that question in his mind that will keep him sleepless for the rest of his life - if he does not step into the ring with Pacman.

Both Pac and PBF can be proud in their own right of what they`ve accomplished.......their records(W/L) for the purpose of a fight between the two of them mean`t nothing much like that of Hagler in his day. What ever each fighter chose as his path to fame doesn`t matter be it the quiet business approach of Pac to the flamboyant self promoting style of PBF. whether they fought according to rankings or "picked their opponents" doesn`t matter. Pointing the finger of fault serves no purpose....if someone claims or has claim to be the best you go thru the ropes and prove him wrong...........that`s it, over, done, that simple.
All that preamble does is put smoke and mirrors to the fact that the fighter in the fighter would have fought the other to prove to themselves they would beat him. Any claim either or their camps) makes as far as being the best falls on deaf ears here because they didn`t fight........why......IMO they didn`t want to bad enough, which questions the heart of a fighter in both of them. If they can sleep and deal with the fact they`ll never know I question them both as fighters.....good businessmen, good humanitarians, great kind people, role models etc etc etc fine......but fighters? NO

[The Cobra]

Now that I`m not interrupted by my dog..........I`ll continue....

Tommy Hearns plowed his way thru the ranks with his powerful right ......got on National TV put his right fist up to the camera and told Marvelous Marvin Hagler "I`m going to knock you out"........the fight was done and set within hours of that ill fated statement. Credit to Tommy who went by the old credo of "if you want to be the best you have to beat the best". Years later Hearns was quoted in Detroit saying he could sleep as well knowing he got in the ring with the best, fought his fight and lost than if he had won that fight.

Neither Pac nor PBF can lay claim to anything using those standards.

[aquariusone]

Both Pac and PBF can be proud in their own right of what they`ve accomplished.......their records(W/L) for the purpose of a fight between the two of them mean`t nothing much like that of Hagler in his day. What ever each fighter chose as his path to fame doesn`t matter be it the quiet business approach of Pac to the flamboyant self promoting style of PBF. whether they fought according to rankings or "picked their opponents" doesn`t matter. Pointing the finger of fault serves no purpose....if someone claims or has claim to be the best you go thru the ropes and prove him wrong...........that`s it, over, done, that simple.
All that preamble does is put smoke and mirrors to the fact that the fighter in the fighter would have fought the other to prove to themselves they would beat him. Any claim either or their camps) makes as far as being the best falls on deaf ears here because they didn`t fight........why......IMO they didn`t want to bad enough, which questions the heart of a fighter in both of them. If they can sleep and deal with the fact they`ll never know I question them both as fighters.....good businessmen, good humanitarians, great kind people, role models etc etc etc fine......but fighters? NO

I enjoy a debate based on facts not speculations. And you have stated the facts clearly above.

"If, (and I will substitute a proper noun) Mayweather claims or has claimed to be the best"....and if "being the best falls on deaf ears..."

Therein is the premise for the conclusion. Pacquiao never claims to be the best. He simply wants to entertain the world with what everyone wants to see. Mayweather, meanwhile, claims to be the best - TBE - ever, even better than Ali or Henry Armstrong!

Thus, if this were to be a formal collegiate debate, the proposition would likely be:
"The proposition that Mayweather claiming to be the best without fighting Manny Pacquiao is entirely false (or true)."

It can not be worded in the opposite ("The proposition that Pacquiao claiming to be the best without fighting Mayweather is entirely false.")

The defence rests, your honour!

[The Cobra]

"The defence rests, your honour!".................as do both fighters because they`re never going to fight LMAO.

[aquariusone]

hahahahahah! (what the heck are you doing...you should be watching Gustafson vs. Johnson!)

[The Cobra]

I took KIDWCKED`s lead I`ve got a "friend" over playing pool...................lmao.

[Fibroso]

STEPHEN ESPINOZA SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO: "ARUM ISN'T BEING TRUTHFUL...THERE'S NO AGREEMENT"By Ben Thompson ([email protected]) | January 24, 2015
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"Floyd isn't holding anything up. No one is waiting on Floyd to rubber stamp or sign anything. Arum isn't being truthful on this and he knows it. There is no contract that is awaiting Floyd's signature and Bob Arum knows that. Floyd has been absolutely clear with all of us, with Leslie Moonves, with Al Haymon, and with me, that he wants the Pacquiao fight. That's what we've been working on for weeks. We've made what I call significant progress, but there's still open issues which have to be resolved. So there's no agreement or closed deal or contract or anybody signing off on anything. Neither CBS or Showtime or Haymon, or even HBO really for that matter, have yet agreed," stated Showtime Sports Executive Vice President and General Manager Stephen Espinoza, who set the record straight on the current status of negotiations for a potential showdown between undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather and 8-division world champion Manny Pacquiao. Check it out!

BT: Obviously a lot of things have been said from one side, but not from the other when it comes to these negotiations for Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. Can you set the record straight and give us an update on exactly what's going on?

SE: Sure. Our agreement at the onset of this process was that we were all going to keep it out of the press as much as possible, and I think our side has done a fairly good job of doing that, but with all the misrepresentations that have been going around lately, we have to speak up, and it's a disservice to our side of things if we don't. To get to the specifics, Floyd isn't holding anything up. No one is waiting on Floyd to rubber stamp or sign anything. Arum isn't being truthful on this and he knows it. There is no contract that is awaiting Floyd's signature and Bob Arum knows that. Floyd has been absolutely clear with all of us, with Leslie Moonves, with Al Haymon, and with me, that he wants the Pacquiao fight. That's what we've been working on for weeks. We've made what I call significant progress, but there's still open issues which have to be resolved. So there's no agreement or closed deal or contract or anybody signing off on anything. Neither CBS or Showtime or Haymon, or even HBO really for that matter, have yet agreed on the old terms. We're trying to resolve open issues, which is what is taking time. There's no delay or impediment from Floyd, and for Arum to say otherwise is just completely untrue.

BT: I know you're not speaking on Bob's behalf, but in your opinion, why do you think he would go to the media and start making some of the comments he's made?

SE: A lot of the stuff that has come out from Arum is baffling to us. I can only guess as to what his motives may be. Maybe he thinks that this is creating some public pressure on Floyd to get the deal done, but the irony of the whole thing is no one needs to pressure Floyd. Floyd has wanted this all along. If people saw the terms that have been negotiated, it's clear Floyd wants to make a deal. He doesn't need this PR campaign to convince him that he needs to make the deal. He wants to do it for himself, for the fans, for the sport of boxing, and no one needs to pressure him into making that fight. Then you start to wonder if someone is consistently mischaracterizing the negotiations and trying to demean the other side, is that person really trying to make a deal? Someone who's trying to make a deal doesn't go out and publicly misrepresent what's going on with the negotiations. It's a complete mystery to us.

BT: Do you think that some of the things that Arum has said might hurt the chances of finalizing a deal?

SE: All of this misinformation and mischaracterization certainly doesn't help. I think up to this point, we're sort of gritting our teeth and trying to keep focused on our goal, and that continues to be our goal, but at a certain point, you can only take so much of the misstatements before you have to speak out and set the record straight.

BT: Knowing all of the misinformation that Arum has put out there regarding these negotiations, are you still confident that all the parties involved actually do want to make this fight a reality? I mean, if Arum knows none of that information is true, then why would he be putting it out there as if it were true?

SE: One thing I'm certain of is everybody on our side, from CBS to Showtime to Al Haymon to, most importantly, Floyd Mayweather, have continuously worked to make this fight happen since these discussions opened back in the fall of 2014. I hope the same is true for the other side. There are times when I believed it is true, but when you see these kind of misinformation floating around, you have to start to wonder.

BT: Does it cause you concern about being able to finalize negotiations with the other side when you start to hear that it looks like De La Hoya and HBO are already making plans for a fight between Canelo and Kirkland on May 2?

SE: Ultimately, none of this other external stuff has any impact on what our goal is and what our course of conduct is. Our goal is to make that fight and we're going to continue trying to make that fight until it becomes clear that either the deal is impossible to make or that someone on the other side has decided that they don't want the fight to happen. Unless one of those two things happens, then we're going to continue to try to make this fight because it's the right fight to make.

[The Cobra]

Arum lie?????........ I`ve never heard of such a thing. At this point who would doubt one second that Arum would lie through his teeth if he thought his chance at a big payday anywhere was slipping away and he was simply trying to refuel the fire of a Pac/PBF fight.

That`s my whole point here with these 2 guys.... if they both wanted the fight bad enough it would have been done. The finger pointing, the blaming, the accusations and the prologue would all still be there because it builds hype and hype makes money. BUT....make no mistake....all the hype would have lead to a fight....not more of the same. I don`t affix blame, I don`t point fingers because I don`t know for sure beyond a doubt......but what I do know is that fighters fight to fight...these 2 didn`t so while I`ll never question their abilities I will question their heart and I will question their dedication to the sport that has taken care of them, their children and their heirs for generations to come.......no matter who is at fault it`s us the fans that got cheated....Pac and PBF cheated themselves because they`ll never know, they`ll never know.

[Fibroso]

Arum lie?????........ I`ve never heard of such a thing. At this point who would doubt one second that Arum would lie through his teeth if he thought his chance at a big payday anywhere was slipping away and he was simply trying to refuel the fire of a Pac/PBF fight.

That`s my whole point here with these 2 guys.... if they both wanted the fight bad enough it would have been done. The finger pointing, the blaming, the accusations and the prologue would all still be there because it builds hype and hype makes money. BUT....make no mistake....all the hype would have lead to a fight....not more of the same. I don`t affix blame, I don`t point fingers because I don`t know for sure beyond a doubt......but what I do know is that fighters fight to fight...these 2 didn`t so while I`ll never question their abilities I will question their heart and I will question their dedication to the sport that has taken care of them, their children and their heirs for generations to come.......no matter who is at fault it`s us the fans that got cheated....Pac and PBF cheated themselves because they`ll never know, they`ll never know.

You just as good as Aqua, with all due respect, maybe even better. Aqua is much better in public relations though. jijiji

[The Cobra]

Just the thought of Arum lying............

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[Rokko]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=7dngzzWylHY

[Condor]

Oh yeah i think so all pacmans recent oppents have a tougher chin than pbf, he is old. pbf is the master of defense oh yeah but he hasnt faced the Pacman. No one has been able to test pbf`s chin because of his on the bicycle defense again he hasnt faced Manny Pacquiao.As far as Marquez knocking out Pacman that was not the first time the Pacman has been ko`ed he was ko`ed twice early in his career that didnt stop the Pacman!Pacman is unique thats why the chicken runs.As far as not needing the Pacman i beg to differ i for one will never recognize pbf as a true champion until he beats the pacman and millions of others will concur.


I am not sure if I am in complete agreement with you. The separate journey of these two "bozos" as you call them are very distinct. Pacquiao did not have a "zero" record at the start of his career as a professional boxer. He was not cherry picking his opponents. He did not have a compelling motivation to be the "very best boxer in the world". He just went about making every fight entertaining through his work ethics. He never boosted his ego and achievement by egotistical pronouncements. Even today, speaking about the prospect of maybe ending up facing Amir Khan, his humility and professional approach is simple: "We are friends. It is business. Nothing personal."


Thus, while the world is clamouring for the two best P4P to get in the ring for "fistory", it is the "other bozo's" legacy that is entirely at stake because he has always claimed to be "THE BEST EVER" (TBE).

And that is where the biggest distinction lies. Pacquiao sleeps at night content with what he has already accomplished. The other "bozo" is still wondering if he really is the "real deal". And it is that question in his mind that will keep him sleepless for the rest of his life - if he does not step into the ring with Pacman.

You are both correct....


Now that I`m not interrupted by my dog..........I`ll continue....

Tommy Hearns plowed his way thru the ranks with his powerful right ......got on National TV put his right fist up to the camera and told Marvelous Marvin Hagler "I`m going to knock you out"........the fight was done and set within hours of that ill fated statement. Credit to Tommy who went by the old credo of "if you want to be the best you have to beat the best". Years later Hearns was quoted in Detroit saying he could sleep as well knowing he got in the ring with the best, fought his fight and lost than if he had won that fight.

Neither Pac nor PBF can lay claim to anything using those standards.
Here is where you are once again wrong my friend.. I watched The "hitman" since the beginning of his career... He was devastating... Only thing was he had no chin.....But I will never forget going to the Inglewood forum to watch the Pipino Cuevas vs Hearns fight via Big screen at that time... ... All dollars were flying for Cuevas as he was busting heavy bags in training.... You could hear a pin drop after that knockout.... I made a lot of Moolah that night...Lol.......

[The Cobra]

You are both correct....


Here is where you are once again wrong my friend.. I watched The "hitman" since the beginning of his career... He was devastating... Only thing was he had no chin.....But I will never forget going to the Inglewood forum to watch the Pipino Cuevas vs Hearns fight via Big screen at that time... ... All dollars were flying for Cuevas as he was busting heavy bags in training.... You could hear a pin drop after that knockout.... I made a lot of Moolah that night...Lol.......

I`ll bet I had alot better view of Hitman growing up LMAO, right Aqua??.........that aside, Hagler/Hearns settled the misconception of Hearns having "no chin". Hearns if you remember had chicken legs and was extremely top heavy.. to a fault. When he tired or missed a punch his body naturally leaned into anything coming the other way because of his physique. Ask Hagler about Hearns "weak chin" I think he addressed the question several times LOL.


BTW.....Nobody from Detroit put a dime on Cuevas......no surprise that Tommy dropped him like a bag of laundry.

[Condor]

Oh yeah i think so all pacmans recent oppents have a tougher chin than pbf, he is old. pbf is the master of defense oh yeah but he hasnt faced the Pacman. No one has been able to test pbf`s chin because of his on the bicycle defense again he hasnt faced Manny Pacquiao.As far as Marquez knocking out Pacman that was not the first time the Pacman has been ko`ed he was ko`ed twice early in his career that didnt stop the Pacman!Pacman is unique thats why the chicken runs.As far as not needing the Pacman i beg to differ i for one will never recognize pbf as a true champion until he beats the pacman and millions of others will concur.


I am not sure if I am in complete agreement with you. The separate journey of these two "bozos" as you call them are very distinct. Pacquiao did not have a "zero" record at the start of his career as a professional boxer. He was not cherry picking his opponents. He did not have a compelling motivation to be the "very best boxer in the world". He just went about making every fight entertaining through his work ethics. He never boosted his ego and achievement by egotistical pronouncements. Even today, speaking about the prospect of maybe ending up facing Amir Khan, his humility and professional approach is simple: "We are friends. It is business. Nothing personal."

Thus, while the world is clamouring for the two best P4P to get in the ring for "fistory", it is the "other bozo's" legacy that is entirely at stake because he has always claimed to be "THE BEST EVER" (TBE).

And that is where the biggest distinction lies. Pacquiao sleeps at night content with what he has already accomplished. The other "bozo" is still wondering if he really is the "real deal". And it is that question in his mind that will keep him sleepless for the rest of his life - if he does not step into the ring with Pacman.


Now that I`m not interrupted by my dog..........I`ll continue....

Tommy Hearns plowed his way thru the ranks with his powerful right ......got on National TV put his right fist up to the camera and told Marvelous Marvin Hagler "I`m going to knock you out"........the fight was done and set within hours of that ill fated statement. Credit to Tommy who went by the old credo of "if you want to be the best you have to beat the best". Years later Hearns was quoted in Detroit saying he could sleep as well knowing he got in the ring with the best, fought his fight and lost than if he had won that fight.

Neither Pac nor PBF can lay claim to anything using those standards.


I`ll bet I had alot better view of Hitman growing up LMAO, right Aqua??.........that aside, Hagler/Hearns settled the misconception of Hearns having "no chin". Hearns if you remember had chicken legs and was extremely top heavy.. to a fault. When he tired or missed a punch his body naturally leaned into anything coming the other way because of his physique. Ask Hagler about Hearns "weak chin" I think he addressed the question several times LOL.


BTW.....Nobody from Detroit put a dime on Cuevas......no surprise that Tommy dropped him like a bag of laundry.


...And that is exactly what I was talking about... Did u see he ran out of "legs" with those punches Hagler landed.. or were u watching the same fight????.. I will be more than happy to Youtube you on that... Lol.........Ahhhh.... hell here u go...Beheheheheeeeeee



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMQJ4Z-4-c

[The Cobra]

...And that is exactly what I was talking about... Did u see he ran out of "legs" with those punches Hagler landed.. or were u watching the same fight????.. I will be more than happy to Youtube you on that... Lol.........Ahhhh.... hell here u go...Beheheheheeeeeee



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMQJ4Z-4-c

Remember it quite well, actually I am a huge Hagler fan.......a "glass jaw" would have dropped after the first one. I (and Hagler) couldn`t believe Hearns was still standing after the second Hagler punch landed.....Hearns still couldn`t believe Hagler was up after the first couple he landed because as he said after..."no one ever stood up after I hit him with my right...till Hagler, he`s the champ"

[Condor]

............And who could forget the first fight against the "Sugarman".... (Ray Leonard) what guts Leonard showed there....There I lost money on "the Hitman"...

[The Cobra]

............And who could forget the first fight against the "Sugarman".... (Ray Leonard) what guts Leonard showed there....There I lost money on "the Hitman"....

Me too, I had Hearns in 7. Tommy wasn`t exactly built for endurance so the longer it went the better for Sugar Ray. One of the best I`d ever seen being able to escape trouble.


and no........before we get to it....he did not beat Hagler. He ran and tippy toed pop popped his way to that title. If you want to be a champion you have to beat a champion and IMO Leonard survived Hagler he didn`t beat him enough to take the championship.
Beat you to it LOL.