Why this is not going to be an UPSET

[aquariusone]

Boxing news nowadays is rather sickening. Of course it is about these two. Of course so-call "boxing writers" are speculating about the outcome based on the same stories that are worse than stale mouldy bread left untouched on the kitchen counter. Most bloggers have become expert at the "cut/paste" technique, churning out pronouncements in a dizzying whirlwind of often repeated and circulated junk. So many would pick out a particular statement from a Mayweather Sr., Roach, or whoever, and weave a juvenile tale that a fourth grader would garner a D on a grammar report card.

Probably the greatest offender of sports journalism is Boxing News 24, whose bevy of writers must have come from English class flunkies. Worse of the worst is Chris Williams. There are many others who are no better. What brings this about? Many of these sites earn money from internet traffic and "clicks on ads". By purporting to be "serious source of boxing breaking news" (yeah, right!) they invite COMMENTS from readers. And who makes those comments? The same dumb asses who write the junk, except that they log in using different aliases. Oh, and I confess that on occasion, I had allowed myself to be conned into reading such trash. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb! What a nitwit I could sometime be.

Enough is enough, though.

WHAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS MAY 2nd FIGHT?

Assuming that the next several weeks will be uneventful and that these two will actually get in the ring and face each other after Jimmy Lennon, Jr. and Michael Buffer conclude jointly making the announcement, which by the way could sound very much like this:

Michael Buffer: "And now, let's get ready to rumbleeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
Jimmy Lennon, Jr. follows that with: "It's Showtime!"

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Then at the conclusion of the main event and several millions breaking all boxing history records in worldwide consumption, licensing, public and private viewing, the result, from the point of view of a totally unbiased observer and pure boxing purist, whatever it may be ....
....... is not going to be an upset.

Unlike the Barkley/Hearns; Spinks/Holmes; Sanders/Klitschko; Duran/Moore; and many other so-called "upsets", there was a clear and overwhelming favourite, or underdog, with the latter clearly upsetting the applecart to everyone's disbelieving dismay.

In the case of these two, they both have exceptional attributes in the sport. They are future Hall of Famers. (Ok, ok, they are both old, older, if you wish to be kind..er.) They are considered P4P kings in close ranking. While Mayweather may be favoured at a 2-1, or 3-1 on bookies' odds for the time being, the difference is insignificant. I have a feeling that as we get closer to May 2nd, when the big purses are placed on a bet, that gap could close considerably.

In real practical terms, neither of these two boys will walk off the ring feeling sorry for the outcome. How could they? They would share the incredible and unprecedented earning ratio for THIRTY-SIX (36) minutes of work. Shorter, and the ratio would be exponentially larger. They would eclipse the earnings ratio of Warren Buffet and Bill Gates combined.

The moans and the cheers when one lands a hook, or gets tagged by an uppercut would be loudest. But would there be grief if one losses his zero, or the other gets another loss? Sure, fanatics on either side may be celebrating but when it's all over; when the animosity is set aside; when they pay respect to each other at the end of the bout; ... and they visit their private banker to stash their loot.......

....there would be no upset. Fans having waited forever would be the winners, confirming all along what they have anticipated over the last six years.

...and they would be suckers for the return match! Ironically amusing, isn't it?

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p.s. ...I forgot. Rokko and Fib would most likely end up actually being best friends. Hehehe!

[rudee]

Good read.. but..
I have to be honest with you guys... NOONE in my circle of friends has even brought
up this fight.. the local rag hasn't had one article about it..
I myself (as stated in earlier posts) could care less if these two ever fought..
Its yesterdays menudo..
Yahoo is pushing it but they need readers.
I predicted a boring fight cuz of styles... one an aggressor the other a defensive fighter.
Manny will come in,, Floyd will counter and tie him up. All night!
Pretty much like the second Floyd vs Maidana fight.
Sure Manny has been ko'd,, but Floyd does not have the right hand Marquez has.
And too difficult for a small fighter like Manny to get inside a guy that has NBA arms.
I see an unpopular decision in this one.

[aquariusone]

Good read.. but..
I have to be honest with you guys... NOONE in my circle of friends has even brought
up this fight.. the local rag hasn't had one article about it..
I myself (as stated in earlier posts) could care less if these two ever fought..
Its yesterdays menudo..
Yahoo is pushing it but they need readers.
I predicted a boring fight cuz of styles... one an aggressor the other a defensive fighter.
Manny will come in,, Floyd will counter and tie him up. All night!
Pretty much like the second Floyd vs Maidana fight.
Sure Manny has been ko'd,, but Floyd does not have the right hand Marquez has.
And too difficult for a small fighter like Manny to get inside a guy that has NBA arms.
I see an unpopular decision in this one.

You have me agreeing with most of your points except for a few. It is subjective to personal perspective to call it boring. White chocolate gelato may be boring to a few but it could be salivating to the others. Know what I mean?

First, it would be a circus-like atmosphere in the arena. The Tecate girls would be strutting their stuff with their toothy smiles and curvaceous profile. (Betcha, Bucko's eyes would be bulging!)

Then (assuming the fight actually takes place) Pacquiao's smile changes to that determined look, just as he did when he fought Margarito and all the others. He would test Mayweather early to get a feel for the shoulder roll. Expect very little for the first minute as both would feel each other out with jabs. We have already seen in most fights that Pacquiao's explosiveness could occur in an instance. He is not one to telegraph his moves. When he senses that the opponent starts getting comfortable is when the fireworks begin.

Floyd, on the other hand, bobs and weaves, ready for a quick counter, his chin often tucked behind the left shoulder.

The referee could influence the night...and the outcome...if he fails to control the "run and grab" tactics of Floyd. Only when that happens could the boredom set in.

I agree with what you said about Floyd not having the cannon right hand that Marquez has. But I don't agree that Pacquiao can not penetrate the NBA arm reach advantage. Case in point, Dela Hoya and Margarito. Both were taller and heavier but their face were battered all night long.

"Unpopular decision"? Possible. Mayweather is a Las Vegas god-like persona. Castillo and Dela Hoya found that out too late to do anything about it.

Which leads me to solidify my disagreement concerning a "boring fight". Because of the possibility that the score cards may be stacked against him in a "close fight", expect Pacquiao to use his powerful legs and blazing speed to go for the mid-round stoppage. Expect Floyd to keep running but those legs get very weary past the 7th round.

These are two well conditioned athletes even at their age. My call is that it will be an explosive night...rather than a boring one. I'd stand by that with what I have seen with these two P4Ps.

[Rokko]

Good read.. but..
I have to be honest with you guys... NOONE in my circle of friends has even brought
up this fight.. the local rag hasn't had one article about it..
I myself (as stated in earlier posts) could care less if these two ever fought..
Its yesterdays menudo..
Yahoo is pushing it but they need readers.
I predicted a boring fight cuz of styles... one an aggressor the other a defensive fighter.
Manny will come in,, Floyd will counter and tie him up. All night!
Pretty much like the second Floyd vs Maidana fight.
Sure Manny has been ko'd,, but Floyd does not have the right hand Marquez has.
And too difficult for a small fighter like Manny to get inside a guy that has NBA arms.
I see an unpopular decision in this one.
i kinda see it like you do rudee--it goes down to an unpopular decision-floyds ring floyds judges-it will be called a brilliant defensive fight by the clapping seals while floyd runs and potshots-they are not going to get my money either.and floydie never goes near 3g. he probably has nitemares thinking about all those kos.

[Fibroso]

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All night long

[bucko]

You have me agreeing with most of your points except for a few. It is subjective to personal perspective to call it boring. White chocolate gelato may be boring to a few but it could be salivating to the others. Know what I mean?

First, it would be a circus-like atmosphere in the arena. The Tecate girls would be strutting their stuff with their toothy smiles and curvaceous profile. (Betcha, Bucko's eyes would be bulging!)

Then (assuming the fight actually takes place) Pacquiao's smile changes to that determined look, just as he did when he fought Margarito and all the others. He would test Mayweather early to get a feel for the shoulder roll. Expect very little for the first minute as both would feel each other out with jabs. We have already seen in most fights that Pacquiao's explosiveness could occur in an instance. He is not one to telegraph his moves. When he senses that the opponent starts getting comfortable is when the fireworks begin.

Floyd, on the other hand, bobs and weaves, ready for a quick counter, his chin often tucked behind the left shoulder.

The referee could influence the night...and the outcome...if he fails to control the "run and grab" tactics of Floyd. Only when that happens could the boredom set in.

I agree with what you said about Floyd not having the cannon right hand that Marquez has. But I don't agree that Pacquiao can not penetrate the NBA arm reach advantage. Case in point, Dela Hoya and Margarito. Both were taller and heavier but their face were battered all night long.

"Unpopular decision"? Possible. Mayweather is a Las Vegas god-like persona. Castillo and Dela Hoya found that out too late to do anything about it.

Which leads me to solidify my disagreement concerning a "boring fight". Because of the possibility that the score cards may be stacked against him in a "close fight", expect Pacquiao to use his powerful legs and blazing speed to go for the mid-round stoppage. Expect Floyd to keep running but those legs get very weary past the 7th round.

These are two well conditioned athletes even at their age. My call is that it will be an explosive night...rather than a boring one. I'd stand by that with what I have seen with these two P4Ps.





All that makes one wonder what a great fight it would have been if either of these(or both) had enough fighter in them to get it done when they were in their prime. It will be a great nite no doubt and a spectacle for the ages I`m sure........but after all the hoopla is done and the bell sounds will it be a great fight?....I think not. All this fight will do is raise more questions and comments about the past than it answers no matter who wins.
"an explosive nite" aqua?.....it surely will be..................an explosive fight? Nope.....and after all that`s what everyone is coming to see isn`t it, an explosive fight. Too bad these bozos didn`t think of that while they spent their prime negotiating.

[bucko]

i kinda see it like you do rudee--it goes down to an unpopular decision-floyds ring floyds judges-it will be called a brilliant defensive fight by the clapping seals while floyd runs and potshots-they are not going to get my money either.and floydie never goes near 3g. he probably has nitemares thinking about all those kos.

make that 3 of us rokko................Cobra

[aquariusone]

make that 3 of us rokko................Cobra

Aha! 3 against 1.....underdog! I like that!

Reminds me of the good ole days, huh? Cobra? Now we are in a serious debacle! I gotta say this to you, though. Wouda, Coulda, Shoulda's are all defeatist, negative words. Looking at what "could have been" does not do any good - for anybody. It is like crying over spilled milk.

Accept the truth. Yesterday is past. Nothing could ever bring it back ever again. So, to keep hammering the point that they..."shouda, coulda" done this or that yesterday is really just wishful thinking. There would be no stupefying resolution to the conflict created. It is like saying over and over again..."It rained yesterday!" What meaning or wisdom does that constitute today? Nada!!!! You could postulate all you can till the cows come home and nothing will ever bring you answers.

"Keep doing today what you did yesterday and you will end up in the same place tomorrow!" That does not sound very promising, isn't it?
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Bury the past. Let it not ruin your day today. Look forward to the wonderful new prospect of tomorrow and you will live with a happier perspective.

So what if they did not fight 6 years ago, 3 years ago. There is absolutely nothing neither you nor I can do about that.

What is tantalizing is the prospect of tomorrow and what they can accomplish. I am a very strong believer of the incredible and limitless capacity of the human body and mind to achieve amazing feats with desire, faith, and determination. Savour that flavour of seeing the best pound for pound boxers finally square off. They may surprise you of the outcome!

[bucko]

Aha! 3 against 1.....underdog! I like that!

Reminds me of the good ole days, huh? Cobra? Now we are in a serious debacle! I gotta say this to you, though. Wouda, Coulda, Shoulda's are all defeatist, negative words. Looking at what "could have been" does not do any good - for anybody. It is like crying over spilled milk.

Accept the truth. Yesterday is past. Nothing could ever bring it back ever again. So, to keep hammering the point that they..."shouda, coulda" done this or that yesterday is really just wishful thinking. There would be no stupefying resolution to the conflict created. It is like saying over and over again..."It rained yesterday!" What meaning or wisdom does that constitute today? Nada!!!! You could postulate all you can till the cows come home and nothing will ever bring you answers.

"Keep doing today what you did yesterday and you will end up in the same place tomorrow!" That does not sound very promising, isn't it?
https://crossfitpineville.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/photo-1.jpg
Bury the past. Let it not ruin your day today. Look forward to the wonderful new prospect of tomorrow and you will live with a happier perspective.

So what if they did not fight 6 years ago, 3 years ago. There is absolutely nothing neither you nor I can do about that.

What is tantalizing is the prospect of tomorrow and what they can accomplish. I am a very strong believer of the incredible and limitless capacity of the human body and mind to achieve amazing feats with desire, faith, and determination. Savour that flavour of seeing the best pound for pound boxers finally square off. They may surprise you of the outcome!

You`re absolutely correct that you can`t live in the past.......however that`s exactly what will happen with the losing fan base of this fight saying "yeah but if they fought........." and we both know that. The spilled milk will come pouring out in gallons demanding a rematch.
Are they still at an advanced age the best pound for pound boxers around???? or should you have said "were".....If they are that spells a sad state for boxing that a 37 yr old is still a PFP champ.
The fight won`t surprise me at all. Those feats you describe and the limitless capacity you describe are being summoned to fight another aging fighter not a challenge vs a younger in his prime fighter so those capacities don`t have to be so amazing, all they have to be as equal or slightly better if he wants a win..
It`ll be a great spectacle but a great fight?..........nope.
If Pac wants a win he`ll have to have a KO inside of 7 or 8 which he can`t(IMO) do anymore.............the longer it goes the more PBF will dance and pop away from the outside....popping himself to a decision leaving everyone wanting.


But I`ve been wrong before.............LMAO

[Rokko]

hey aqua dont get me wrong here-im pulling for manny to end this.the only problem is history repeats itself and floyd has a history of vegas judges referees and commissions on his side.

[aquariusone]

hey aqua dont get me wrong here-im pulling for manny to end this.the only problem is history repeats itself and floyd has a history of vegas judges referees and commissions on his side.

...which is why I say that Manny won't leave this to the judges.

[bucko]

hey aqua dont get me wrong here-im pulling for manny to end this.the only problem is history repeats itself and floyd has a history of vegas judges referees and commissions on his side.

Yep....same here aqua, I`d love to see Pac drop PBF in his tracks as I`ve said before.......I just don`t think he can do it anymore.

[aquariusone]

Yep....same here aqua, I`d love to see Pac drop PBF in his tracks as I`ve said before.......I just don`t think he can do it anymore.

Hehehe.....what you think and what will happen are two different scenarios. At the risk of rehashing well known facts, let me remind you of the following:
1) SPEED - they have similarities except that May...runs and pot shots; Pac delivers 4,5,7 combinations at one time
2) POWER - May does not have it; Pac does
3) FOOT WORK - again, similarities but Pac goes lateral in split seconds while delivering punches - from every angle
4) DESIRE - May got cornered, could not pass up mega millions, succumbs to pressure; Pac's determination to get in the ring unquestionably greater than May ever since
5) STYLE - May is orthodox; Pac's is southpaw. Could May find a way to escape from such attack to neutralize power and speed?
6) DETERMINATION - May is all about personal wealth and zero glory; Pac's motivation goes beyond self and extends all the way to inspire poor people from his country and give them hope. Can a single man move a piano? Not normally but in extreme danger and adrenalin rush, that piano would be as light as a feather.

[Fibroso]

Yep....same here aqua, I`d love to see Pac drop PBF in his tracks as I`ve said before.......I just don`t think he can do it anymore.

Lots of people will be expecting the same but it wont happen not without. True this might of been a better spectacle some years back but Pac was hiding something and decided to clear his problems before doing it. Now the trill is gone baby!!!! Now he is a religious politician trying to bring down a legend. jmo

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[bucko]

Lots of people will be expecting the same but it wont happen not without. True this might of been a better spectacle some years back but Pac was hiding something and decided to clear his problems before doing it. Now the trill is gone baby!!!! Now he is a religious politician trying to bring down a legend. jmo

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"Now he is a religious politician trying to bring down a legend".....

We can`t look too deep into this my friend.........it`s about money, lots of it.

[bucko]

Hehehe.....what you think and what will happen are two different scenarios. At the risk of rehashing well known facts, let me remind you of the following:
1) SPEED - they have similarities except that May...runs and pot shots; Pac delivers 4,5,7 combinations at one time
2) POWER - May does not have it; Pac does
3) FOOT WORK - again, similarities but Pac goes lateral in split seconds while delivering punches - from every angle
4) DESIRE - May got cornered, could not pass up mega millions, succumbs to pressure; Pac's determination to get in the ring unquestionably greater than May ever since
5) STYLE - May is orthodox; Pac's is southpaw. Could May find a way to escape from such attack to neutralize power and speed?
6) DETERMINATION - May is all about personal wealth and zero glory; Pac's motivation goes beyond self and extends all the way to inspire poor people from his country and give them hope. Can a single man move a piano? Not normally but in extreme danger and adrenalin rush, that piano would be as light as a feather.

"Can a single man move a piano? Not normally but in extreme danger and adrenalin rush, that piano would be as light as a feather."........only thing is that the adrenaline rush lasts virtually seconds in the scenario you offered, not 12 rounds.
Seems to me that a lot of those "advantages" you`ve listed for Pac were for a younger Pac and then I`d agree as I did waaaay back when however you`ve left out a defining equation....AGE. It`s well known and well documented that the skills of an aging fighter(Pac) diminish far faster than that of a boxer(PBF) just thru wear and tear alone of the fights he`s had.
PBF will indeed clutch and grab stay outside etc etc till 7th at least......why? to tire out the aging legs of Pac who will pursue relentlessly until he can`t. PBF is a defense first fighter so I don`t expect much from him in the early rounds when Pac is most dangerous makig people howl and moan a boring fight.....but that will be his strategy no doubt. When Pac`s legs go his head will be a shooting gallery on which to pile up the points (jmo)
Now for the intangibles that you also neglected.....a cut.....who is the most suspect?...Pac no question...although with Pac needing the "hard at all costs" inside PBF may indeed be suspect for an accidental head butt from Pac.
Biggest thing for me is exactly what you so wisely mentioned......Pac is a southpaw....and if PBF comes out fighting instead of boxing he`s gonna be in big trouble early. I`m thinking he`s too smart for that and he`ll play it safe until age controls the pace.

Big question for me is that ........is this fight between 2 great aging fighters going to be so good because of them or is it in reality because this fight is FINALLY happening?........the latter I`m thinking.


Guys......internet is real bad here and we`re getting storms today so I may or may not be able to get back until I return home Wed.

Cobra

[aquariusone]

You are a connoisseur of the sport. You know your stuff. You support your claims or opinion with believable facts... not with sentimental fanaticism of a favorite.

I like how you counter that "adrenalin rush" last only seconds, not 12 rounds. I beg to differ, however. An athlete training for a particular sport, whatever that is, conditions both mind and body to be sustained for however long the duration of the game or sport. The biological and chemical attributes of the body are influenced strongly by subconscious neurological and psychological factors. Forget Armstrong, but all those competing for the Tour de France are a good example. The average cyclist can't race at 60 miles an hour for more than 5 minutes. These guys can go for hours!

One thing is certain. Having one single "iota of doubt" about one's ability to win and the outcome is over before it even starts especially in sports. Eugenie Bouchard could not crack Maria Sharapova; Serena Williams has Sharapova's number. These are examples of the mind playing havoc with ability.

(NOTE; TITLE should be "WITHOUT" NOT WITH, little insane ideas)

Mayweather did not want to face Margarito. He took on Cotto instead. For a very long time, he never wanted anything to do with southpaw Pacquiao. Why? That one "little iota of doubt".

AGE? Wear and Tear of the body? Conventional wisdom may agree you. Historical facts may even support the theory. However, do not discount the fact that many have proven how a combination of discipline, training, and strong positive outlook can demolish myths about diminished sharpness and effectiveness. Case in point: Bernard Hopkins and George Foreman. On the opposite side of the spectrum..look at how sports usually dominated by grown up individuals are now invaded by much younger men and women.

We are in for a treat where desire, determination, and that "one iota of doubt" will determine the outcome!

[rudee]

Totally agree with bucko.. Manny will have to knock Floyd out within 7 or 8... after that Floyd will dance
around the ring with Manny in pursuit, but Floyd will throw an occasional counter,, hit him flush
and hold... meantime building up points for clean shots.. Manny not big enough to hold Floyd on the ropes.
Manny will have to come in at least 10 pounds over his natural weight.. will slow him down.
Floyd will come in big to manhandle Manny.
Neither has the power to knock the other out. Manny can do damage to the body though..
Floyd up in years.
Still say an ugly decision.
I think this is Arguello vs Pryor all over again.. Arguello coming wayyyy up in weight.. Pryor a natural.
Arguello hit P with a right hand that woulda put a lighter boxer in intensive care...
Pryor didn't bat an eye.. came forward and knocked Arguello out... twice!
But,, neither of the present fighters hits like Arguello or Pryor. Point being,,
Floyd just too big for a natural 140 poiunder... like Pryor was with the great Arquello.
But this one will be a decision... I like Floyd in an ugly one. (defense and Manny too small)

[TLG]

Manny will come in using that incredible speed of his
to try and do early damage. The longer this fight goes
the more it will be in Floyd's favor.

I don't think Manny can beat Floyd on the score card

[bucko]

You are a connoisseur of the sport. You know your stuff. You support your claims or opinion with believable facts... not with sentimental fanaticism of a favorite.

I like how you counter that "adrenalin rush" last only seconds, not 12 rounds. I beg to differ, however. An athlete training for a particular sport, whatever that is, conditions both mind and body to be sustained for however long the duration of the game or sport. The biological and chemical attributes of the body are influenced strongly by subconscious neurological and psychological factors. Forget Armstrong, but all those competing for the Tour de France are a good example. The average cyclist can't race at 60 miles an hour for more than 5 minutes. These guys can go for hours!

One thing is certain. Having one single "iota of doubt" about one's ability to win and the outcome is over before it even starts especially in sports. Eugenie Bouchard could not crack Maria Sharapova; Serena Williams has Sharapova's number. These are examples of the mind playing havoc with ability.

(NOTE; TITLE should be "WITHOUT" NOT WITH, little insane ideas)

Mayweather did not want to face Margarito. He took on Cotto instead. For a very long time, he never wanted anything to do with southpaw Pacquiao. Why? That one "little iota of doubt".

AGE? Wear and Tear of the body? Conventional wisdom may agree you. Historical facts may even support the theory. However, do not discount the fact that many have proven how a combination of discipline, training, and strong positive outlook can demolish myths about diminished sharpness and effectiveness. Case in point: Bernard Hopkins and George Foreman. On the opposite side of the spectrum..look at how sports usually dominated by grown up individuals are now invaded by much younger men and women.

We are in for a treat where desire, determination, and that "one iota of doubt" will determine the outcome!

You`ll never find a trainer, athlete or doctor, not one, that would agree with you that an "adrenalin rush" would last a 12 rnd fight, nevermind a bike race nor a tennis match.
If your theory of "Mayweather did not want to face Margarito" is true, and it may very well be, you`d have to ask why? why...is because he may lose and he didn`t want to take that chance correct?....PBF has been accused of hand picking his opponents only when he`s almost 100% sure he`d win, is that fair to say?.....yet he`s signed on to fight Pac...why?.....I`ll answer that...he`s sure he`ll win, that`s why.

There is still however the benefit of doubt that you have to give to a southpaw.....especially a southpaw with the skills and desire of Pac. "funny little animals, doing everything backwards till they knock you on your ass" Emmanuel Steward used to call them.

[aquariusone]

You`ll never find a trainer, athlete or doctor, not one, that would agree with you that an "adrenalin rush" would last a 12 rnd fight, nevermind a bike race nor a tennis match.
If your theory of "Mayweather did not want to face Margarito" is true, and it may very well be, you`d have to ask why? why...is because he may lose and he didn`t want to take that chance correct?....PBF has been accused of hand picking his opponents only when he`s almost 100% sure he`d win, is that fair to say?.....yet he`s signed on to fight Pac...why?.....I`ll answer that...he`s sure he`ll win, that`s why.

There is still however the benefit of doubt that you have to give to a southpaw.....especially a southpaw with the skills and desire of Pac. "funny little animals, doing everything backwards till they knock you on your ass" Emmanuel Steward used to call them.

I failed to qualify my statement about "adrenaline rush". I'd used that term more in a metaphorical rather than scientific sense only to explain how level of determination can elevate a person's natural abilities beyond what is normally expected when faced with great risk.

Not to let semantics bog down the interesting discussion, let us focus on the premise and conclusion you have offered instead.

Premises: He chose to fight Cotto instead of Margarito because he did not want to take the chance of losing. Correct!
He handpicked his opponent with certainty that he has a 100% chance of winning. Correct again!

Conclusion: Therefore, he took this fight against Pacquiao for the same reason! Conjecture, my friend!

You have forgotten a few more "missing" pieces of the puzzle. For 6 years he has avoided Pac, right? Why? For the same reasons he has avoided Margarito. For that matter, he would have never considered Andrade, Molina, and Thurman as opponents because of the same risk.

So why has he now agreed to this fight? Is it because he has had a psychological change of mind? He no longer considers Pacman a serious threat? He now knows he can win at 100%?

...Or is it because $180 million for possibly 36-minute of work is too great a reward to forego, even at the prospect of losing his Zero? .....maybe increasing the reward exponentially in an undeclared and unwritten rematch? And, in case he wins, imagine how his ego soars for accomplishing what Larry Holmes failed to do (equal Rocky Marciano's record); for possibly retiring undefeated.

The "large risk of losing" he previously avoided is now neutralized by (1) a phenomenal payday and (2) the chance for infamy! Hehehe!

[Fibroso]

Not even one third of your statement can be consider true. Cotto beat Margarito yet he took on the winner. Sometime back Floyd took on the best welterweight boxer available while Bob and Pac just did not want to face him not even in a dream, his name Chico Corrales, Corrales had KO Jose L. Castillo one of PBF nemesis but PBF went on to beat him in a great fight. Pac didn't fight Castillo or Corrales, wonder why? Pac decided to run away from Floyd when Drug Testing was mention, it took him some time to clean himself and when he came back, it was not the same. History is there to check, not a KO in years and the ugliest or one of the ugliest KO every one has seen in boxing occur during that clean up time. Finaly we will see who is who, just wait.

[KIDWCKED]

if manny was undefeated like mayweather jr..i wonder if we would be having this conversation?.. mayweather dosent need the money..and never bowed to public pressure on who he should fight..maybe and jus maybe pbf is doing it again..ducking!..but who else out there right now could be a threat too him...imho..ruslan provodnikov would be...

[aquariusone]

Sorry when it comes to twisted facts, you are the expert. Rehashing the drug issue over and over again does not make it a fact. You seem to completely erase conveniently from memory that the May weather clan was in a defamation suit they paid PAC to settle. Presenting false allegations in a friendly discussion erodes rather than contribute.

[bucko]

I failed to qualify my statement about "adrenaline rush". I'd used that term more in a metaphorical rather than scientific sense only to explain how level of determination can elevate a person's natural abilities beyond what is normally expected when faced with great risk.

Not to let semantics bog down the interesting discussion, let us focus on the premise and conclusion you have offered instead.

Premises: He chose to fight Cotto instead of Margarito because he did not want to take the chance of losing. Correct!
He handpicked his opponent with certainty that he has a 100% chance of winning. Correct again!

Conclusion: Therefore, he took this fight against Pacquiao for the same reason! Conjecture, my friend!

You have forgotten a few more "missing" pieces of the puzzle. For 6 years he has avoided Pac, right? Why? For the same reasons he has avoided Margarito. For that matter, he would have never considered Andrade, Molina, and Thurman as opponents because of the same risk.

So why has he now agreed to this fight? Is it because he has had a psychological change of mind? He no longer considers Pacman a serious threat? He now knows he can win at 100%?

...Or is it because $180 million for possibly 36-minute of work is too great a reward to forego, even at the prospect of losing his Zero? .....maybe increasing the reward exponentially in an undeclared and unwritten rematch? And, in case he wins, imagine how his ego soars for accomplishing what Larry Holmes failed to do (equal Rocky Marciano's record); for possibly retiring undefeated.

The "large risk of losing" he previously avoided is now neutralized by (1) a phenomenal payday and (2) the chance for infamy! Hehehe!

You`ll notice I began my statement with "IF" the theory of Mayweather etc etc was true......it was a question not a statement and the rest would fall into proper alignment.
Somebody said before "who the hell knows what these guys think" and that`s so true.
This fight is about money, period. Lots of it.
BTW Holmes was a dummy of the n`th degree.....and he proved it. He couldn`t or wouldn`t adapt then tried to blame anyone but himself.

[aquariusone]

Now you got me agreeing 100%.

[Fibroso]

Sorry if I did, but you are doing exactly the same. Saying that Floyd ducked Margarito, who was Antonio, a proven cheater and that's the Dude you come up with. Usually when someone is accused of using substances, they start running and most of them cover themselves with the Vail of God. The superior Being is part of the 12 steps used in rehab Centers. Sorry if I call it as I see it. Others think like me but they don't dare to speak, my mouth gets me into trouble some times.Things get settle in court, not because they are lies but because you decide not to harm the other person by going on with it. I shall speak nothing but the truth.Lets get it on with the friendly discussion.



Presenting false allegations in a friendly discussion erodes rather than contribute.

[bucko]

Now you got me agreeing 100%.

Can`t have that LOL

[aquariusone]

Sorry if I did, but you are doing exactly the same. Saying that Floyd ducked Margarito, who was Antonio, a proven cheater and that's the Dude you come up with. Usually when someone is accused of using substances, they start running and most of them cover themselves with the Vail of God. The superior Being is part of the 12 steps used in rehab Centers. Sorry if I call it as I see it. Others think like me but they don't dare to speak, my mouth gets me into trouble some times.Things get settle in court, not because they are lies but because you decide not to harm the other person by going on with it. I shall speak nothing but the truth.Lets get it on with the friendly discussion.

Ok, I am all for keeping discussions friendly. I should not have presented the "Floyd ducking Margarito" as coming from me. I should have quoted umpteen sources claiming this, as well as the statement, "he cherry picks his opponents". You could search numerous media outlets that express those opinions. Secondly, those statements were given in support of the premise that Floyd has avoided Pac for 6 years. So, for the sake of this discussion, did he or did he not "avoid Pac"?

All of this is also to dig up the "truth" about why this fight finally coming through. And the problem here is that none of us can ever prove our conclusions, unless we are in the inner circle of Floyd. All we can do is examine facts and numerous opinions from media outlets, and present an intelligent and objective analysis, also taking into account our own observations and opinions to which we are entitled.

To continue being objective (without being biased) the two conclusions provided here are:

1) The fight is all about money. Period. (Have I got you on board, Cobra?)
2) Mayweather has avoided Pacquiao over the last 6 years.. BUT the risk of losing the zero is now minimized (lessened) by the enormous reward of May 2, 2015 + the rematch.

Of course, how we lean to either conclusion helps in forming our conclusion as to who we think will win. Consequently, the discussion gets more interesting by these opinions:
3) Mayweather wins on the scorecards, if it goes all the way to the end of 12 rounds
4) Pacquiao's can't win a decision. He must win by KO.

The opposite of these (3/4) conclusions are:
5) Mayweather wins by KO
6) Pacquiao wins by UD

TAKE YOU PICK!



Can`t have that LOL

I disagree! LMAO

[bucko]

Ok, I am all for keeping discussions friendly. I should not have presented the "Floyd ducking Margarito" as coming from me. I should have quoted umpteen sources claiming this, as well as the statement, "he cherry picks his opponents". You could search numerous media outlets that express those opinions. Secondly, those statements were given in support of the premise that Floyd has avoided Pac for 6 years. So, for the sake of this discussion, did he or did he not "avoid Pac"?

All of this is also to dig up the "truth" about why this fight finally coming through. And the problem here is that none of us can ever prove our conclusions, unless we are in the inner circle of Floyd. All we can do is examine facts and numerous opinions from media outlets, and present an intelligent and objective analysis, also taking into account our own observations and opinions to which we are entitled.

To continue being objective (without being biased) the two conclusions provided here are:

1) The fight is all about money. Period. (Have I got you on board, Cobra?)
2) Mayweather has avoided Pacquiao over the last 6 years.. BUT the risk of losing the zero is now minimized (lessened) by the enormous reward of May 2, 2015 + the rematch.

Of course, how we lean to either conclusion helps in forming our conclusion as to who we think will win. Consequently, the discussion gets more interesting by these opinions:
3) Mayweather wins on the scorecards, if it goes all the way to the end of 12 rounds
4) Pacquiao's can't win a decision. He must win by KO.

The opposite of these (3/4) conclusions are:
5) Mayweather wins by KO
6) Pacquiao wins by UD

TAKE YOU PICK!




I disagree! LMAO

I`ll take #1 and #3 if we`re picking.......................LOL

[TLG]

so as to avoid being repetitive,
I am siding with, and am of the same opinions as Fibroso on this one,, post 22 and 27 ,, (well said)
had Manny agreed to the drug test , this fight may have
happened long ago.

[aquariusone]

so as to avoid being repetitive,
I am siding with, and am of the same opinions as Fibroso on this one,, post 22 and 27 ,, (well said)
had Manny agreed to the drug test , this fight may have
happened long ago.

Hey, if we all share exactly the same opinion, this discussion would be so boring! That said, anything that "coulda', shoulda', woulda' happened", did not! Tough luck! That was yesterday. May 2nd is tomorrow and that is where the action is!

I just hope it does not end like today's UFC Main event with Rowdy Ronda Roussey submitting Zingano in 14 seconds!

[rudee]

Good posts gents! enjoy reading them.. luv we are respecting each others opinions.
All the posts have great substance...its all in the eyes of the beholder.
I would have to say Rowdy Ronda would knock both these gents on their asses!!!!
How would you like Rowdy R to look you in the eye and say "get that little s.o.b. up and give
it to me right now!!!"
There go the Depends!!!!

[TLG]

She is such a super great athlete ,, her capability to think
in milliseconds on the canvas makes her judo second to
no one ,,,,,

[aquariusone]

Good posts gents! enjoy reading them.. luv we are respecting each others opinions.
All the posts have great substance...its all in the eyes of the beholder.
I would have to say Rowdy Ronda would knock both these gents on their asses!!!!
How would you like Rowdy R to look you in the eye and say "get that little s.o.b. up and give
it to me right now!!!"
There go the Depends!!!!

I'd tell her, "It's been up all day waiting for you!" :)

[Condor]

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[Rokko]

Early action on Manny Pacquiao per espn go


Manny Pacquiao has always believed he can do what 47 other fighters before him have failed to do -- beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the ring.

Turns out a lot of other people are believers too. And they are backing their opinions with money.

A flurry of early action on Pacquiao has already narrowed the odds for the big fight in this city's legal sportsbooks. By the time they get into the ring May 2, it's conceivable that Mayweather might not be favored at all.

"I've never seen Mayweather this low eight weeks out before the fight," said Jimmy Vaccaro, who has booked money on every big fight for the past four decades in Las Vegas. "This is as close as we get to a legitimate pick 'em fight since Mayweather fought [Oscar] De La Hoya."

Mayweather opened as a 2½-1 favorite in most sportsbooks when the fight was announced, and at that price, Pacquiao backers couldn't wait to get their bets down. At Vaccaro's South Point hotel sportsbook, 150 tickets were written on Pacquiao in the days after the fight was announced to just 10 on the favored Mayweather.

Over the weekend, Vaccaro said his book took a couple of $10,000 bets on Pacquiao, which prompted him to move the betting line closer to try to draw more action on Mayweather.

"It's a one-way attack on Pacquiao," Vaccaro said. "We're well into a six-figure loss right now if Pacquiao wins."

That could change when the so-called smarts start weighing in on a fight that is still two months away. Both Pacquiao and Mayweather began training camps this week, giving bettors plenty of time to form their opinions as more news circulates about their training status.

Vaccaro saw an influx of Pacquiao money first in October when he put up a line on the fight before it was made, making Mayweather a minus-300 favorite and Pacquiao a plus-250 underdog.

That meant a bettor had to wager $300 to win $100 on Mayweather, while Pacquiao paid $250 for every $100 bet. Vaccaro had barely posted the line when he got a $3,000 bet on Pacquiao, and the trend has continued unabated.

"The smarts really aren't jumping in yet. They're going to wait to see how low it goes," Vaccaro said. "They're telling you that they think it will get much lower."

The latest odds at the South Point still favor Mayweather, but now at minus-200. Pacquiao has gone to plus-170, meaning Mayweather is now less than a 2-1 favorite in man-to-man betting. At the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook, Mayweather was minus-210, while Pacquiao was plus-180.

So far, the betting pattern looks much like it did in 2007, when Mayweather began as a 2-1 pick over De La Hoya in the fight that catapulted him to pay-per-view stardom. While boxing insiders liked Mayweather in the fight, the betting public was infatuated with De La Hoya, who would eventually go into the ring as a slight favorite.

No matter who ends up favored, the legal bookies figure to be winners. Already, Vaccaro said he has seen more betting on the fight than he ever has two months out, and some in the betting industry are predicting legal wagering of up to $50 million on the bout. The betting handle will be helped by a number of proposition bets and the fact that tens of thousands of college basketball fans can bet while in town for the start of the NCAA men's basketball tournament.

The fight will cap a huge day in sports that includes the Kentucky Derby and playoffs in the NBA and NHL, along with a full slate of baseball.

"Other than Super Bowl Sunday, the single day will be as big as we've written in years," Vaccaro said. "Look for May 2 to be approaching the Super Bowl handle on Super Bowl Sunday, and that's saying a lot."

[The Cobra]

No betting line in sports can be manipulated easier and more often than boxing.

[aquariusone]

We are certainly up for some "troubled times" come May 2.

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[buddy b]

Well, should be gr8 to watch. But I agree, hope it don't end like last ufc.
And yes, that Rhone rousey if a very good fighter

[rudee]

The "smart money" always shows up the day before or the day of the fight.

[Fibroso]

Chin

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/fibroso/image_zpstuysscfe.jpg (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/fibroso/media/image_zpstuysscfe.jpg.html)

This fight will be decided on this.
Mayweather rarely gets hit.
the last one to test him was Mosley
in 2010.
Pacquiao has benn knocked down
and counted out over the course of his carrer.
Believe me, Floyd will test his chin all night as
he did with Chico Corrales and JM Marquez.

[Fibroso]

Hook

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Floyd throws a check hook which is part upper and part hook
very effective against southpaws. Since Manny tends to lower his right
hand when throwing his strong left, watch for this hook as a counter.
Pac uses a right hook as a counter as most southpaws do but we all know
that his left hand is the strongest.

[Fibroso]

Punching Power

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We all know Floyd does not plant his feet long
enough to generate punching power, what if
he so decides to, on this one?
Pac does carry a punch in his left hand, now can it be enough
to ko Floyd?

[The Cobra]

Mayweather will indeed use the counter very heavily in the fight......however he will only test it early, probably late first round and certainly second round but I don`t see him making a commitment to anything until round six or seven. Barring a cut of course. I`m seeing this going the distance and PBF winning on points.

[Fibroso]

Hand Speed

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Both boxers have shown above average hand speed,
Floyd has shown a better sense of timing than Pac.
As they say, timing can beat speed.

[The Cobra]

"Pac does carry a punch in his left hand, now can it be enough
to ko Floyd?".......
Sure it can.......if he gets to him early enough because after 6 I think Pac will tire and weaken much faster than PBF. STILL...we have to remember those damn southpaws can wreak disaster by surprise if the going gets tight and frenzied...even for only a couple seconds. PBF will have to use his head as well as his talent or he`ll end up on his can.

[The Cobra]

Hand Speed

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Both boxers have shown above average hand speed,
Floyd has shown a better sense of timing than Pac.
As they say, timing can beat speed.

Great old saying in all sports.........."timing is everything"

[Fibroso]

"Pac does carry a punch in his left hand, now can it be enough
to ko Floyd?".......
Sure it can.......if he gets to him early enough because after 6 I think Pac will tire and weaken much faster than PBF. STILL...we have to remember those damn southpaws can wreak disaster by surprise if the going gets tight and frenzied...even for only a couple seconds. PBF will have to use his head as well as his talent or he`ll end up on his can.
That is the problem everyone has, getting to him.
His a MASTER of defence.

[aquariusone]

....Maybe....but nothing beats heart!

[Fibroso]

....Maybe....but nothing beats heart!

Ohh yea, a blood clot!!

[aquariusone]

Ohh yea, a blood clot!!

Didn't know you got a sense of humour!

[rudee]

Hmm, think i will sit down and write a song... lets see,, will name it.. "Ya gotta have heart" :innocent:
Floyd is gonna be ver hard to hit... body shots are there though.

[The Cobra]

Hmm, think i will sit down and write a song... lets see,, will name it.. "Ya gotta have heart" :innocent:
Floyd is gonna be ver hard to hit... body shots are there though.


Gotta get to him early to slow him down....If Pac can`t cut the ring off for those body shots the fight will be over before it starts.

[The Cobra]

That is the problem everyone has, getting to him.
His a MASTER of defence.

and that`s why I give him this fight.

[Fibroso]

Didn't know you got a sense of humour!
I'm a joke!!

Hmm, think i will sit down and write a song... lets see,, will name it.. "Ya gotta have heart" :innocent:
Floyd is gonna be very hard to hit... body shots are there though.
Maybe some body shot, but his counter will come from above and if he decides to hit harder, we may even see a ko

and that`s why I give him this fight.
Thank you, coming from you is like a prediction.
He'll win this one big for the fans.

[The Cobra]

"Thank you, coming from you is like a prediction.
He'll win this one big for the fans.".........

Yup, I guess that`s as close as I get to predicting a fight LOL.......but I don`t see a "big win"...as in total domination.PBF will be very wary of that left hand for the first half. He`ll control the fight as far as setting the tempo I think but not dominate it if you get my meaning. He`ll win by pointing out big the last 5rnds as I see it.......if the fight ends before the 7th, Pac wins it by KO

[aquariusone]

Hmmm....Rokko and Condor are verrrryyyyyy quiet!

Here is a statement from Keith Thurman:
He certainly appears faster than Stallone's Rocky Balboa ever was, a quality he'll certainly need to offset the villainous all-around skill set possessed by this mega-fight's Apollo Creed, Floyd Mayweather Jr.

"I'm hoping to see the flurries. I'm hoping to see the combinations. I hope Manny Pacquiao ends up being relentless, because he's going to need it if he really wants to win the fight," welterweight Keith Thurman, who'll fight former Mayweather foe Robert Guerrero on Saturday night in Las Vegas, told CBSSports.com.

"I think Mayweather has aged more than Pacquiao. I say that because of how conservative his fighting style has become. I think it's very strategic. I think that's how he chooses to fight now in his later years. Manny still has some gusto in him. That's the way he fights in the first place."

[The Cobra]

Hmmm....Rokko and Condor are verrrryyyyyy quiet!

Here is a statement from Keith Thurman:
He certainly appears faster than Stallone's Rocky Balboa ever was, a quality he'll certainly need to offset the villainous all-around skill set possessed by this mega-fight's Apollo Creed, Floyd Mayweather Jr.

"I'm hoping to see the flurries. I'm hoping to see the combinations. I hope Manny Pacquiao ends up being relentless, because he's going to need it if he really wants to win the fight," welterweight Keith Thurman, who'll fight former Mayweather foe Robert Guerrero on Saturday night in Las Vegas, told CBSSports.com.

"I think Mayweather has aged more than Pacquiao. I say that because of how conservative his fighting style has become. I think it's very strategic. I think that's how he chooses to fight now in his later years. Manny still has some gusto in him. That's the way he fights in the first place."

Flurries or any form of mayhem in that ring will benefit Pacquaio mainly because they may tend to get Floyd distracted enough even for a split second that he`s fighting a southpaw and this fight could end abruptly.
Rocky Balboa was a movie....period. Pac isn`t the Rock and PBF isn`t Creed.
The bit that PBF has aged more than Pac is yet to be determined and will only be apparent in latter rounds but all reasonable views have suggested the exact opposite to be true.

We`ll see.

[aquariusone]

Hey, that "Rocky Balboa stuff" came from Keith Thurman! Don't shoot the messenger!

[Fibroso]

That reminds me of Frank's favorite, "I've got you under my skin" at the end, "don't you know you fool, you never can win, use your mentality wake up to reality". Floyd has the key, he knows how to beat Pac. JMM thought him how, he will follow the steps that will keep him undefeated. That punch that ya' all waiting for doesn't exist, not anymore.
Roach was defeated in Macau, China he will be defeated in Vegas also,

[The Cobra]

Hey, that "Rocky Balboa stuff" came from Keith Thurman! Don't shoot the messenger!

Yup....I got that pal.......I guess I should have worded it better. Thurman has never been too bright.

[The Cobra]

That reminds me of Frank's favorite, "I've got you under my skin" at the end, "don't you know you fool, you never can win, use your mentality wake up to reality". Floyd has the key, he knows how to beat Pac. JMM thought him how, he will follow the steps that will keep him undefeated. That punch that ya' all waiting for doesn't exist, not anymore.
Roach was defeated in Macau, China he will be defeated in Vegas also,


Many a fighter has been dropped by punches they thought didn`t exist. My guess is that PBF will be wary of that hand, as he should be, and he`ll take some precautions not to have to test it if he doesn`t have to. Not saying he`s afraid of it but cautious of it and why not?

[Highwayman]

Many a fighter has been dropped by punches they thought didn`t exist. My guess is that PBF will be wary of that hand, as he should be, and he`ll take some precautions not to have to test it if he doesn`t have to. Not saying he`s afraid of it but cautious of it and why not?

I personally think this highly built up match is going to be a boring one founded on that word you used
"cautious"!The fight will go the distance pacman will be the aggressor pbf will aviod. Pacman will be the busier
fighter scoring more points but it will be in the hands of the hopefully competent judges........

[The Cobra]

I personally think this highly built up match is going to be a boring one founded on that word you used
"cautious"!The fight will go the distance pacman will be the aggressor pbf will aviod. Pacman will be the busier
fighter scoring more points but it will be in the hands of the hopefully competent judges........

Yup, I`m pretty much with you. As far as a fight goes it won`t be a classic battle, mainly because of both their ages that have eroded their respective skills. PBF will indeed stay outside piling up points until when and if Pac tires late and gives PBF an opening for a couple inside flurries. The fans will make a bigger production of the fight than the participants.....by a mile.

[Fibroso]

Yup, I`m pretty much with you. As far as a fight goes it won`t be a classic battle, mainly because of both their ages that have eroded their respective skills. PBF will indeed stay outside piling up points until when and if Pac tires late and gives PBF an opening for a couple inside flurries. The fans will make a bigger production of the fight than the participants.....by a mile.
We will be watching closely for Roach to say "we need to knock this guy out", then walla, you know what will come next. lol

[The Cobra]

We will be watching closely for Roach to say "we need to knock this guy out", then walla, you know what will come next. lol


Yup.....I`m figuring that speech may come in about 9 and once a tired Pac opens up PBF will pick him apart with combos in and out.....maybe LOL................I just don`t see PBF staying "in" for a possible KO....he`ll be happy playing safe and pointing out.

[aquariusone]

Yup.....I`m figuring that speech may come in about 9 and once a tired Pac opens up PBF will pick him apart with combos in and out.....maybe LOL................I just don`t see PBF staying "in" for a possible KO....he`ll be happy playing safe and pointing out.

I keep wondering why you seem to suggest that the "younger" guy will tire and the "older" guy would just be waiting to pick the "younger guy" apart! I know, I know, you are picking the "older" guy to win on points but let's be little bit more realistic here, shall we.

By the way you describe the scenario, you seem to suggest that Pacquiao is so dumb as to go wild and haywire in his attack without any concern for the number of rounds he has to stay in the ring. Is that how he fought Cotto? Del Hoya? Margarito? Morales, Mosley, Barrera? The reason I picked these previous opponents is to demonstrate that these guys all had unique styles in the ring. Everyone is different. Pacquiao did not just brawl head first like a reckless bull. He had the 6th sense to adjust his attack based on what was in front of him. He got careless with JMM and got caught with a haymaker but...the experience only sharpened his defence. Bradley was extremely quick and would probably do extremely well against Mayweather. Rios was bull headed. Algeiri was fleet footed with a long and fairly accurate jab. These three (again) presented Pacquiao with a "different" challenge. Was he "one-dimensional" (as you seem to suggest) against these three?
http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/sports/boxing/fights/2009-11-14-pacquiao-vs-cotto/fight-recap-1024.jpg
Everyone paints Mayweather as a superb "defensive" fighter (and yes, he is) but when the same people think of Pacquiao, they hardly ever see him as a "thinking" and perceptive boxer. They only think of him as a "brute" with nothing but attack in his mind!
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There is one common denominator in his win against these NINE (9) opponents - hard combinations reaching 7 punches in split second succession and a deadly left hook coming from nowhere. What other artillery does he bring into every one of his fights? A tactical combination of defence and offence and his ability to adjust on the go defending on what is on his plate.
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/day/migrated-media/s071006_pacquiao.jpg
I suggest that what you have offered is a very simplistic and probably idealistic picture (that you call "boring") - one where you see Pacquiao like a crazy kamikaze pilot on a total suicide mission, and Mayweather as the clever "roadrunner" on a mission to avoid being a target. That is OK. To each his own.

I see it a little differently. I am of the opinion that the boxing world would be greatly entertained by a mind-boggling finale.

[The Cobra]

I keep wondering why you seem to suggest that the "younger" guy will tire and the "older" guy would just be waiting to pick the "younger guy" apart! I know, I know, you are picking the "older" guy to win on points but let's be little bit more realistic here, shall we.

By the way you describe the scenario, you seem to suggest that Pacquiao is so dumb as to go wild and haywire in his attack without any concern for the number of rounds he has to stay in the ring. Is that how he fought Cotto? Del Hoya? Margarito? Morales, Mosley, Barrera? The reason I picked these previous opponents is to demonstrate that these guys all had unique styles in the ring. Everyone is different. Pacquiao did not just brawl head first like a reckless bull. He had the 6th sense to adjust his attack based on what was in front of him. He got careless with JMM and got caught with a haymaker but...the experience only sharpened his defence. Bradley was extremely quick and would probably do extremely well against Mayweather. Rios was bull headed. Algeiri was fleet footed with a long and fairly accurate jab. These three (again) presented Pacquiao with a "different" challenge. Was he "one-dimensional" (as you seem to suggest) against these three?
http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/sports/boxing/fights/2009-11-14-pacquiao-vs-cotto/fight-recap-1024.jpg
Everyone paints Mayweather as a superb "defensive" fighter (and yes, he is) but when the same people think of Pacquiao, they hardly ever see him as a "thinking" and perceptive boxer. They only think of him as a "brute" with nothing but attack in his mind!
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0812/boxing.delahoya.pacquiao/images/dream5.jpg
There is one common denominator in his win against these NINE (9) opponents - hard combinations reaching 7 punches in split second succession and a deadly left hook coming from nowhere. What other artillery does he bring into every one of his fights? A tactical combination of defence and offence and his ability to adjust on the go defending on what is on his plate.
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/day/migrated-media/s071006_pacquiao.jpg
I suggest that what you have offered is a very simplistic and probably idealistic picture (that you call "boring") - one where you see Pacquiao like a crazy kamikaze pilot on a total suicide mission, and Mayweather as the clever "roadrunner" on a mission to avoid being a target. That is OK. To each his own.

I see it a little differently. I am of the opinion that the boxing world would be greatly entertained by a mind-boggling finale.


Don`t put words in my mouth aqua......I`ve never referred to the "older or younger guy" either to their age or fighting abilities. What I did say was that a fighter ages in the ring fast than a boxer and that`s a fact of the game. PBF has less wear and tear on him than Pac does and I mentioned the fact....that`s all. The boxing world will indeed be "entertained"....by the spectacle of these guys finally fighting......I`ll repeat, it won`t be a classic fight however unless you like 2 past their primers going at it with their skills having been eroded by time and punishment. I`ll watch it....I just won`t pay for it nor will I expect a great fight.

[TLG]

I'm with you Aqua, , I don't buy into the "possibly" half ring flurry from Pac and/or a "defensive ballet" from Floyd
I am expecting a brawl from both fighters ,, a masterfull fighting choreography coming from two extremely talented
and capable pound for pound best fighters in the world can provide. it's gonna be eye candy baby !!! So tune
in and watch for it on the 2nd if May !! I know I'll be glued
yes the flurry and the defence will be part of it ,,, but there will be a heck of a lot more than that,,, and the reason is
that ,, both these fighter want to win ,, so watch the brawl

[The Cobra]

I'm with you Aqua, , I don't buy into the "possibly" half ring flurry from Pac and/or a "defensive ballet" from Floyd
I am expecting a brawl from both fighters ,, a masterfull fighting choreography coming from two extremely talented
and capable pound for pound best fighters in the world can provide. it's gonna be eye candy baby !!! So tune
in and watch for it on the 2nd if May !! I know I'll be glued
yes the flurry and the defence will be part of it ,,, but there will be a heck of a lot more than that,,, and the reason is
that ,, both these fighter want to win ,, so watch the brawl

For all the people tuning in and paying for it I`ll pray you guys are right and I`m dead wrong......but I`m not LOL

[TLG]

The reason I'm not buying into the 12 round prancing and dancing to a judges decision
is because there's a guy in the ring by the name of Manny Pacquiao, ,,, and he knows boxing,
and he and his team know dang well that they absolutely must not let it go to judges decision ,,,
and so, everything will be done not to make it so
that's why I'm expecting a brawl ,,, someone else has mentioned it by saying Manny has less to lose

[aquariusone]

Yup, I`m pretty much with you. As far as a fight goes it won`t be a classic battle, mainly because of both their ages that have eroded their respective skills. PBF will indeed stay outside piling up points until when and if Pac tires late and gives PBF an opening for a couple inside flurries. The fans will make a bigger production of the fight than the participants.....by a mile.


For all the people tuning in and paying for it I`ll pray you guys are right and I`m dead wrong......but I`m not LOL


The reason I'm not buying into the 12 round prancing and dancing to a judges decision
is because there's a guy in the ring by the name of Manny Pacquiao, ,,, and he knows boxing,
and he and his team know dang well that they absolutely must not let it go to judges decision ,,,
and so, everything will be done not to make it so
that's why I'm expecting a brawl ,,, someone else has mentioned it by saying Manny has less to lose

Ok, first off, a lot of media outlets are asking, "Would this fight "save boxing"? Gee whiz, they should come and visit our forum and browse the intense discussions going on here. To them I say, "Hey, fools, boxing is not dead...yet!"

Secondly, to my friend Cobra: I am not "putting words in your mouth"! I used the terms "older" and "younger" to identify clearly what you have alleged in your post above ("if Pac tires late"). I was being cynical to point out that Pac is the "younger guy"; and PBF is the "older guy"! :)

Thirdly, you are not alone in how you "see the fight"! (Not classic. Boring. Pac attacks. PBF runs and counters. 12 round decision in favour of the roadrunner!) There are so many out there with exactly the same sentiment.

So it is pretty clear here that there are TWO (2) conflicting (and interesting) schools of thoughts: (1) YOURS, and (2)mine et mon ami, Monsieur TLG!

So the question is Will it rain on May 2? Or will the sun be so bright?

You bring your umbrella. I will be putting lots of lotions on my tanned body, lying on a Puerto Rican beach sipping tequila. M. TLG, me passer de la Molson Canadiene, SVP!

[Fibroso]

Aqua

He got careless with JMM and got caught with a haymaker but...the experience only sharpened his defence.

I disagree on your comment, you practice an offensive move during your training camp to use it against your rival.
Watch this punch and tell me, is that a haymaker?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqcrmP6HbI4

[The Cobra]

"So the question is Will it rain on May 2? Or will the sun be so bright?".........the question is.....will there be a fight?? it`s not May 2 yet....a lot can and does happen while training.
Remember my original bet was there would be no fight ......LMAO


BTW....I see what you mean`t by older/younger stuff now.....I was referring to style and history etc etc....just in the wording that`s all.

[The Cobra]

I'm with you Aqua, , I don't buy into the "possibly" half ring flurry from Pac and/or a "defensive ballet" from Floyd
I am expecting a brawl from both fighters ,, a masterfull fighting choreography coming from two extremely talented
and capable pound for pound best fighters in the world can provide. it's gonna be eye candy baby !!! So tune
in and watch for it on the 2nd if May !! I know I'll be glued
yes the flurry and the defence will be part of it ,,, but there will be a heck of a lot more than that,,, and the reason is
that ,, both these fighter want to win ,, so watch the brawl

PBF`s history indicates a tap dance not a brawl.......Pac, you`re right, has to brawl to win. Gonna be a test of wills, patience and/or endurance to declare a winner.

Still.......that left hand. Remember it. PBF better

[TLG]

HAHA ,, tap dance ,, good one :)

[Fibroso]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwJlDxuzTMI

PBF, jab technique

[Fibroso]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBBszFZwUwg

How to deal wih a locomotive puncher, Pac

[The Cobra]

That "machine gun" is 37 yrs old that may have to shoot for 12 rnds let`s not forget.....patience will be PBFs biggest ally. It`s takes a lot more energy to be a machine gun than it takes to be a tap dancer in a ring....the fighter will age faster than the boxer during 12 rnds.

[Fibroso]

You ask him, who is gone win this fight?
Mi paisano Cotto has some interest,(ROACH)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPJG4SK69E

[Condor]

I repeat again... Will never happen.. But if it would.. Check this out... Beheheheheeee

Oscar De La Hoya-VS- PBF-Split Decision 12th round

Oscar De La Hoya-VS-Pacman- TKO 8th round [Oscars corner threw in the towel, No Mas]

Ricky Hatton-VS- PBF- TKO 10th round

Ricky Hatton-VS-Pacman- WIN- KO 2nd round


I found this somewhere...

"Floyd could watch Manny fight Floyd Sr. and not step up. "

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/bolivia_04/manny-pbf/1463904_685945064791292_1809673982_n_zps4edb54c9.j pg


Coto after Pacman fight...

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/bolivia_04/manny-pbf/cotto%20after%20pacman1_zpshhwzqfzm.jpg

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/bolivia_04/manny-pbf/cotto%20after%20pacman_zps7kybknkw.jpg

PBF VS Cotto fight....Lol..

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/bolivia_04/manny-pbf/miguel-cotto-punching-floyd-mayweather1_zpseeb6rpco.jpg

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/bolivia_04/manny-pbf/miguel-cotto-punching-floyd-mayweather_zpsgjw9pfmy.jpg

[rudee]

whew! 81 posts... lets give it a rest.. ha ha ha.. 2 more months amigos..

[Condor]

whew! 81 posts... lets give it a rest.. ha ha ha.. 2 more months amigos..

That's an eternity "compita".. So many things can happen.. Lol......

[The Cobra]

That's an eternity "compita".. So many things can happen.. Lol......


AKA....training injury............that`s my bet.

[TLG]

Yee haveth little faith Cobra son :no:

[The Cobra]

Yee haveth little faith Cobra son :no:

very little....................LOL

[aquariusone]

AKA....training injury............that`s my bet.

You forgot about........ the missus fighting back... maybe a 3-iron shattering the back windshield!

[The Cobra]

You forgot about........ the missus fighting back... maybe a 3-iron shattering the back windshield!

You`re right bud...SHE may be the one with the big left hand lead LOL