INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS - Inside the boxers' mind

[aquariusone]

With the mega-fight being merely less than 20 days, there are things that are beginning to crop up that need to be taken into account.

Greg Heakes of Yahoo Sports wrote a few hours ago quoting Mayweather: (On the fight with Pacquiao) "It is at this point where it is business. It is my job. I go to the gym. I train. I know what I have to do.....there was a time when it was fun but I am to a point now where I am really over all of that stuff."

Meanwhile, Pacquiao just release a music video (Lalaban Ako....) which translated is "I'll fight for the Pilipinos...for my country."

There is no denying that financially, neither winner nor loser would walk away from this fight sulking. If they are to become acutely mindful of the proper management of their respective reward for this fight, they and their family are set for life...and beyond.

Just what kind of perspective are they carrying into the ring?

I am not a big fan of Mayweather, although I recognize his great boxing skills, but what he says (above) is a little bothersome for someone who is about to become the highest paid athlete in the world for a single bout. There are many ways to "read" his statement. Rather than speculating, it would be interesting to know what you, boxing fans, think about this.

There are obviously TWO DISTINCT perspectives - the Pilipino "fighting for pride and his country"; the other simply doing it because "it is (an incredible) business" ...and "no fun anymore".

[Fibroso]

As I said before, Manny's hole promotional mounting has been bs. You fight for your country when you risk your life in an armed conflict or war. When you make a hole bunch of money you're doing it for that, the money. The fact that Manny's team is trying by all means to make this event a good vs evil chit, can give you an idea of what I'm talking about. Floyd is Floyd and doesn't hide behind a Bible or a patriotism scheme. Ignorant people will fall for his bs but open minded people just wont fall for that. His political moves just stink.

[aquariusone]

As I said before, Manny's hole promotional mounting has been bs. You fight for your country when you risk your life in an armed conflict or war. When you make a hole bunch of money you're doing it for that, the money. The fact that Manny's team is trying by all means to make this event a good vs evil chit, can give you an idea of what I'm talking about. Floyd is Floyd and doesn't hide behind a Bible or a patriotism scheme. Ignorant people will fall for his bs but open minded people just wont fall for that. His political moves just stink.

You have always been fanatically irreverent, sarcastic, and unflattering about Pacquiao, so that I can understand that you express yourself in such uncomplimentary manner.

However, if I were you, I would check my facts accurately. Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and Nelson Mandela, are a few examples of people who never bore arms to kill in an armed conflict, but just the same, they had compassion for their people and worked for their betterment. Muhammad Ali stood for what he believed in, and he will always be remembered for his stance against the Vietnam war. There are a few people in this world that use their gifts and their talents for a good cause.

Go ahead and hate Pacquiao all you like but there are many millions of people around the world who have a different perspective of the man than yours.

[Rokko]

this is a good vs evil fight and i hope manny beats the crap out of the guy who beat his ex in front of his kids.those kids will be scarred for life.that is acceptable in some heathen cultures.

[dishuser]

As I said before, Manny's hole promotional mounting has been bs. You fight for your country when you risk your life in an armed conflict or war. When you make a hole bunch of money you're doing it for that, the money. The fact that Manny's team is trying by all means to make this event a good vs evil chit, can give you an idea of what I'm talking about. Floyd is Floyd and doesn't hide behind a Bible or a patriotism scheme. Ignorant people will fall for his bs but open minded people just wont fall for that. His political moves just stink.
what has floyd done with all his money?
nothing but for himself

[Fibroso]

This is not about me, so you're off topic. apparently you are part of the majority of fans who think this is a good vs evil event. So happens that evil is the one that's giving away the (dose $ key) who every one wants. Never in my live I've seen a boxer become a President of a Nation, I guess Pac is just about to break that record. One record that he wont be able to brake is Floyd's unbeaten record. My apologies if with my description of The Pacquiao Team I offended any PBF hater. It shouldn't been that way cause Floyd spoke sincerely about his feelings and can't read or sing a song that someone else composed as part of a scheme to eat people's minds. Of all the things you called me ( fanatically irreverent, sarcastic, and unflattering) at least the word hypocrite is not present. Dish, about Floyd's money. his giving Pac 40% of all the goodies that this event is generating. Remember Matthew 6:3,But when you give to the poor, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Going public is a shame. His killer instinct and God kind of sounds out of place. The Bad guy will prevail. I rest my case, aqua.

[aquariusone]

This is not about me, so you're off topic. apparently you are part of the majority of fans who think this is a good vs evil event. So happens that evil is the one that's giving away the (dose $ key) who every one wants. Never in my live I've seen a boxer become a President of a Nation, I guess Pac is just about to break that record. One record that he wont be able to brake is Floyd's unbeaten record. My apologies if with my description of The Pacquiao Team I offended any PBF hater. It shouldn't been that way cause Floyd spoke sincerely about his feelings and can't read or sing a song that someone else composed as part of a scheme to eat people's minds. Of all the things you called me ( fanatically irreverent, sarcastic, and unflattering) at least the word hypocrite is not present. Dish, about Floyd's money. his giving Pac 40% of all the goodies that this event is generating. Remember Matthew 6:3,But when you give to the poor, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Going public is a shame. His killer instinct and God kind of sounds out of place. The Bad guy will prevail. I rest my case, aqua.

You see, I have no problems with anyone expressing differing opinions. It makes for a lively discussion.

I do have a problem with speculations, false assumptions, unproven allegations, or pure conjecture. If everyone sticks to facts, an argument can be presented effectively. And by the way, it is never "about you". It is about the presentation of false and inaccurate statements.

For example, "I have never seen a boxer become a president of a nation" is way out in left field. Nelson Mandela was a boxer! Another: "sing a song that someone else composed". Prove to us that you know who composed Pacquiao's song. (Pure conjecture!) Another: "Going public is a shame." You attribute 3rd party reports (media) directly to Pacquiao to denigrate him to support your false perception and argument.

You have not given us a strong case in your favor.

[Condor]

But the most important question is.............Will PBF show up???????????...That is the main "thing"...


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[Fibroso]

"If my concern is myself alone, I don't (think of) the fans," Pacquiao said. "Then the fight, it's hard to make happen. Because of course, I don't want to take 60-40, a disadvantage and everything. I agreed with that for the sake of the fans. I agreed to make the fight happen."

Pacquiao also said he felt a virtual duty to make a possible nine-figure payday resulting from this bout to further his charitable work in the Philippines, where he plans to give away a significant portion of his cut.
"I cannot see them being hungry and not helping them," Pacquiao said. "I'm not materialistic. ... I have to use it for the glory of the Lord, and also for my family and for helping people."

Clear violation of Metthew:6.3

aqua

false perception and argument.

Spoken not written by anyone, give and let no one know you've given. Your are using big names to compare Manny with, he falls short of all of them. Nelson was a Hero and people got killed for his cause of being ruled by a white minority in South Africa. people elected the intelligent man not the World Champ.

[aquariusone]

Clear violation of Metthew:6.3

aqua


Spoken not written by anyone, give and let no one know you've given. Your are using big names to compare Manny with, he falls short of all of them. Nelson was a Hero and people got killed for his cause of being ruled by a white minority in South Africa. people elected the intelligent man not the World Champ.

Sorry, Mod! You are off-topic. Introducing religion and politics in a discussion of this nature is clearly inviting sacrilegious antipathy in a secular/social environment - which according to social behaviourists is best avoided. (By the way, Mandela fought against apartheid-racial segregation.)

The thread is about examining the distinctly opposite "perspective" of both combatants. It is not about who is better; or about good vs. evil, etc.; although these arguments could be debated in a different discussion.

What we need to focus on is this. With their distinct perspectives, how would this influence the outcome of the fight and why? Is this a "psychological warfare" Mayweather is launching? Does he believe that being somewhat passive, and non-threatening ("this is just business - no fun anymore") he is trying to "disarm" his opponent. Is he "playing on Pacquiao's natural kind-mindedness? Or is he going about this quite "lackadaisically" on purpose, or is he really approaching this fight with a "dry, matter-of-fact" attitude, demonstrating a natural psychological risk-avoidance mindset?

Let me explain what a "risk-avoidance psychological mindset" is about. Larry has final exams and he is busy studying. Joe calls and ask Larry to go see a football game to watch their favourite team. Larry is torn making a decision. Against his good sensibility, he decides to go with Joe to the football game. Unfortunately, it rained and their team lost - a horrible time. Larry feels great guilt having acceded to Joe's invitation. As he goes home, Tony ask, "How was the game?" Larry' natural tendency is to "deny the truth" because it places him in a terrible situation - missing study time which could impact his final exams, and coming home soaking wet. So avoiding the "risk" of being labelled a "stupid dummy" for making a wrong decision, he would most likely say, "I had a lot of fun with the guys"!

The question then: Is Mayweather preparing himself for a possible defeat by declaring nonchalantly that "it is just business" - minimizing the impact of a loss? He also said, "My last fight is September?"

Is this psychological risk-avoidance?

[Fibroso]

Introducing religion and politics in a discussion of this nature is clearly inviting sacrilegious antipathy in a secular/social environment -

Exactly what the Pacquiao Team is doing, above all mixed with a Major Boxing event. To me the strategy is to use people's energy on their side. Floyd has always used his own physic and intelligent instincts to figure out what to do with his opponent. What he's got, can't be learned, you are born with it. That's the difference between Pac and him. Eight World Titles made to order against five well earned, if you know what I mean? The time is near, so lets just wait it out my friend.

[steveOtoo]

I think something personal should be added to raise the stakes..............something like the loser has to have loser tattooed on his forehead

[steveOtoo]

PBF failed drug test for the use of a banned substance:....................


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[Fibroso]

Did you say ROOSTER BOOSTER

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[TLG]

"it's just business" ..... what does that mean?

I guess it has two meanings.

1) like the the Larry example ,, Maywheather's "risk-avoidance psychological mindset" is to shift or lighten attention of this fight's monetary intake ,, to sway, opinion of the working stiffs of the world who make $15 bucks an hour, for they are the ones buying the fight at $90.00 for 36 minutes. .... after tax, the stiff will have to fork out a whole days work to watch it.

For the fight to have the monetary success to which it has been mentioned, they need to do away with envy, and jealousy,, and an example of that is right here in this forum where some have mentioned that this fight won't see a penny of the posters money.

Some,,,, or many working people are of that mind set ,, that these two rich bastar*s are gonna make all this cash for 36 minutes or less while we wont ever see that kind of money if we live 10 life times!! ... (do the math 40K annual for 40 year working career equals 1.6M ..... Maywheathers 60M take equates to 37 working life times. and if he gets 100M ,, equates to 62 working life times)

So judging from that,, saying "it's a business" Maywheather is trying to divert attention from the haters, jealousy'ers and the envy'ers of the world so that he can get them to buy tickets. The same goes for Pacquiao, I saw him on television last week on a fight special asking viewers and his fans to "buy the fight".

2) For those who don't know it ,,,, IT IS A BUSINESS!! LOL!!


Maywheather is fighting for the money , but he is also fighting for the record. For the haters, I say,, what they do with their money is their business and no one else s!! I don't buy the bible bull sheet ,,, and also it's amazing for him to find God after his wife threatened to leave him ... LOL what a bunch of crap !! but hey, if it helps him in his life,, that's excellent for him.

in other words both fighters are fighting for the money ,,, but make no mistake about it, Mayweather is also fighting for the record.

[aquariusone]

You offer an interesting perspective.

I am not sure, however, if there is a significant number of people who are really "hang up" about the financial considerations of this fight enough to boycott the fight. Of course, I am aware of some that are openly disgusted with not just the monetary aspect of this event but also the fact that it is happening "way too late" in their career. It is a double-edge sword: getting paid this much when they are close to retirement. It defies economic sense!

But this is the machination of the entertainment business at work. It is mind boggling to explain how it has all come to this. At a local casino where I occasionally go for brew and snacks to watch a PPV event, there are NO SEATS and NO TABLES available nearly three weeks to the fight date! Epic delirium to see this event!

Like you said, what they choose to do with their lotto jackpot is their business. I also would not waste time putting their personal lives through a microscope. It is irrelevant.

Rather, I like to focus on how they plan to make watching them on fight night compelling. Will they give me my money's worth or will it bore me to death? To that end, it is bothersome to see Floyd's mindset and demeanor. Unlike in all of his previous fights, I do not see a "burning desire". The eye of the tiger about to devour his prey is missing. The flamboyant, boisterous, trash-talking braggart, who sucker punched Ortiz for a KO, is replaced by a sombre, soft-spoken gentleman who speaks highly of his adversary - AND - who looks into his role as "simply doing business". This is completely and totally out of character of a boxer seeking to crown himself as "THE BEST EVER".

For him to say that "fun is gone" is frighteningly admitting "emptiness". Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy, and other personal enhancement gurus will tell you that success comes to those who "enjoy what they do"...and seldom to those who are just "going about it because it is business."

It would be interesting to see the betting odds toward the last few days of the fight. If this is a premonition of what will take place on May 2, Mayweather's ring worth is sure to tumble to a 47-1.

[Fibroso]

I see one side using false tactics of humbleness, patriotism and the other side making believe that this is just another working day. Different strokes for different folks, all promo. If bets change dramatically against Floyd, better for him. He will bet 10 mills on himself and walk away richer than what he is. He's known for that, on the other side Pac is humble and will do the same, only that contrary to everything else, wont let anyone know about it. The time is near, we'll see.

[Fibroso]

As I said , Money is what matters to Manny all the rest is BS


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