The End...

[wheresmystuff]

http://itsalmo.st/#iksd-day

[abouttosnap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_tAkK1op78

[jvvh5897]

Aztec calendar?

[ftanewbie]

is that way they did not bother to ECM today;)

[tvc15]

Because he says so.

[wheresmystuff]

is that way they did not bother to ECM today;)
calm before the storm...:)

[ftv]

Hold your breath lol


http://itsalmo.st/#iksd-day

[abouttosnap]

Chances are it will be a while yet...probably happen all of sudden one day when no one is expecting it...all depends on how set dn is as well.

[JCO]

Hold your breath lol


http://itsalmo.st/#iksd-day

Your reading it wrong.. its the countdown for the viewsat n3 bin for the vs extreme..:thumbsup:

Everything open like in the N2 days LOL

[wheresmystuff]

OMG!! The clocking is ticking getting closer to zero!!

[GNCSUX]

When i am enjoying a nice bottle of Tequila when I pour my first drink I do not have anxiety, or get upset thinking how long this bottle will last me. Rather I just am thankful for this bottle and realize I should enjoy it while I have it. Anticipation of death is worse than death itself.

[coutorouto]

Your reading it wrong.. its the countdown for the viewsat n3 bin for the vs extreme..:thumbsup:

Everything open like in the N2 days LOL

LOL those were the days. Back when testing was wide open and rumors were flying.

[coutorouto]

When i am enjoying a nice bottle of Tequila when I pour my first drink I do not have anxiety, or get upset thinking how long this bottle will last me. Rather I just am thankful for this bottle and realize I should enjoy it while I have it. Anticipation of death is worse than death itself.

Well said.

[henpecked]

IKS deserves to die...It was no real hack...not even a reliable work around...
It's time to pay the man...Living in Canada, I managed to get a Directtv subscription for a few years now.
The only way to fly...I enjoyed the ride since C-band...Time to put the feet up and watch tv.

[Nostradamus]

I couldn't agree more man. Iks was meant as no more than a backup plan and then when the powers that be decided it was a better cash cow than paying coders and selling boxes to provide the income it was doomed. The last decent box made was a Limesat, since then the majority of them have been nothing more than junk stamped out of some Chinese sweatshop with different names on them. Then the server dudes decided to resell the service and rebrand it so some poor schmuck has the same service three or more times.

The best part is now they are doing the exact same thing with the IPTV so that is going to be doomed as well for anybody buying them boxes.

[max]

Read this from one of the dishnetwork's subscribers forum:
"Channel interruptions for QPSK receivers will begin on June 10th (5-10 channels per week) and will continue until July 15th when all channels at the 119 orbital location will be converted to 8PSK."

[Blazerbong]

Ok,but some FTA boxes are 8PSK.How will this all go down with those boxes that can handle 8PSK.

[dishuser]

Ok,but some FTA boxes are 8PSK.How will this all go down with those boxes that can handle 8PSK.who's providing the iks?

[ChillyWilly]

Chances are it will be a while yet...probably happen all of sudden one day when no one is expecting it...all depends on how set dn is as well.

I'm thinking the move to mpeg4 will force those with older boxes to swap them out..... the final step before implementing anycast

[tbird686]

well i don't get the iks so whats the latest? when was the cut off did it happen or is it still going?

[abouttosnap]

I'm thinking the move to mpeg4 will force those with older boxes to swap them out..... the final step before implementing anycast

Well if what max posted above happens we will find out soon enough...if memory serves me right that's the way standalone went out a few channels at a time. Seems bev started around Oct. of 2008 and by the end of 2008 it was completely black...dish started sometime in the beginning of 2009 and with in a couple of months it was completely black. I do remember sonicview came out with a file in Jan. of 2009 that ran up until it dish went black...I bought my iHub not long after that for the use with iks. Think I bought it around June or July of 2009.

[gwrowe]

That is a Joke! I checked it out counter was at all zero's and if I wanted to, all i had to do was enter a date and the counter would start counting down again! Besides It doesn't say anywhere it is for iks!

[Nostradamus]

C&P from another site


Dish Network announcement:

"Channel interruptions for QPSK receivers will begin on June 10th (5-10 channels per week) and will continue until July 15th when all channels at the 119 orbital location will be converted to 8PSK."



All mpeg2 channels are slowly being switched over to h.264. Ethnics are the first ones dropping.
You will definitely need an 8PSK/Turbo capable receiver to continue testing with IKS, but for how much longer I don't know because they can now start to implement anycast.

[TheMaritimer]

should be noted that anyCast exists on multiple levels, with the lowest merely enabling better cw-sharing amongst legit customers using multiple devices (tablets for tv anywhere kind've stuff).

the type of anyCast that would effect IKS is being applied to UHD content only, as a requirement from UHD providers to further protect content (all providers, cable, satellite, legit-IPTV, etc are required to take further security in order to receive and redistribute UHD content). to the best of my knowledge, non-UHD boxes, including the current mpeg4/8psk boxes that DN is currently swapping out subbing customers with, are not capable of this type of anyCast; therefore I'm at a loss at what exactly DN has planned that will end iks for SD and HD content, but it certainly hasn't been posted on any of the forums or news releases that I'm aware of.

[kutter]

should be noted that anyCast exists on multiple levels, with the lowest merely enabling better cw-sharing amongst legit customers using multiple devices (tablets for tv anywhere kind've stuff).

the type of anyCast that would effect IKS is being applied to UHD content only, as a requirement from UHD providers to further protect content (all providers, cable, satellite, legit-IPTV, etc are required to take further security in order to receive and redistribute UHD content). to the best of my knowledge, non-UHD boxes, including the current mpeg4/8psk boxes that DN is currently swapping out subbing customers with, are not capable of this type of anyCast; therefore I'm at a loss at what exactly DN has planned that will end iks for SD and HD content, but it certainly hasn't been posted on any of the forums or news releases that I'm aware of.

the press release is on Nagra's site and it's been posted all over the place :)

why would you say that the boxes aren't capable of this type of anyCast ?

in the press release it clearly states "It will also be available in different form factors, including smart card, STB companion chip and others."

I don't see why it can't be incorporated into their existing boxes ... obviously some redundant features would need to be turned off in the hardware, but that shouldn't be a big deal ... in theory it will require less hardware and less processing power, if their press release is accurate ...

[TheMaritimer]

i have read that press release, and others, but failed to see where they said they would be implementing smartcard-less (aka the iks killer) on any non-UHD boxes. i also fail to see why Dish would be currently, as in right now, swapping out customers boxes with mpeg4 boxes with the same firmware as they have had (aka, no iks-killing anyCast).

i did however read the press release that said they were implementing smartcard-less anyCast technology on all UHD boxes they are rolling out, and that this technology is a requirement from UHD providers in order to carry UHD content. i can't imagine DN would go above and beyond their requirements with UHD providers and spend 100x the capital in order to ensure all their customers have this said technology, especially when most won't be using UHD anytime in the foreseeable future (or more importantly, within the time period that the newest UHD box will be current). Furthermore, DN's bottom line has been suffering over the years, trying to implement UHD is going to take huge capital, they'd be off their rocker to try to go and spend much much much more money applying this technology to non-UHD subscribers in an attempt to reduce piracy (literally spending a dollar to save a dime, businesses don't succeed doing that).

would be a poor business choice on DN's part to swap out customers boxes only to then turn around upgrade again a short while later, especially considering DN's track record of taking forever to do either.

we can be paranoid all we want, but DN will do what's best for their bottom line, and running their finances into the ground to combat a shrinking IKS problem probably isn't #1 on their to-do list.

[DJMark]

I'm sure I'm not the only one, I'm a little lost in all this. Please correct me if I'm wrong. So essentially, any FTA boxes that are NOT hd will not be working soon. So does this mean if you have a hd box you will be ok?

[kutter]

i have read that press release, and others, but failed to see where they said they would be implementing smartcard-less (aka the iks killer) on any non-UHD boxes. i also fail to see why Dish would be currently, as in right now, swapping out customers boxes with mpeg4 boxes with the same firmware as they have had (aka, no iks-killing anyCast).

i did however read the press release that said they were implementing smartcard-less anyCast technology on all UHD boxes they are rolling out, and that this technology is a requirement from UHD providers in order to carry UHD content. i can't imagine DN would go above and beyond their requirements with UHD providers and spend 100x the capital in order to ensure all their customers have this said technology, especially when most won't be using UHD anytime in the foreseeable future (or more importantly, within the time period that the newest UHD box will be current). Furthermore, DN's bottom line has been suffering over the years, trying to implement UHD is going to take huge capital, they'd be off their rocker to try to go and spend much much much more money applying this technology to non-UHD subscribers in an attempt to reduce piracy (literally spending a dollar to save a dime, businesses don't succeed doing that).

would be a poor business choice on DN's part to swap out customers boxes only to then turn around upgrade again a short while later, especially considering DN's track record of taking forever to do either.

we can be paranoid all we want, but DN will do what's best for their bottom line, and running their finances into the ground to combat a shrinking IKS problem probably isn't #1 on their to-do list.

who said anything about smartcard-less ?

it will be a card swap ... there's no sense in swapping boxes when they can deploy anyCast by simply sending out smart cards ...

[kutter]

I'm sure I'm not the only one, I'm a little lost in all this. Please correct me if I'm wrong. So essentially, any FTA boxes that are NOT hd will not be working soon. So does this mean if you have a hd box you will be ok?

only if it's capable of turbo 8PSK modulation ...

[Nostradamus]

well they proved a few times over the last few months they can kill it any time they want so why don't you think they will kill it? Anycast can happen whenever then, once they have freed up the transponder space and start offering the UHD channels in place and tested. The only ones requiring it would be those wanting those channels anyway so no big deal or big rush to upgrade everybody's box a second time as probably only 1 in a 1000 people might want those channels initially anyway. Those couple of blackouts they shot down did not fry cards they just didn't function in server boxes. So between that ECM in the stream and the conversion to MPEG4 compression there is no IKS left with or without anycast in the mix

[Blazerbong]

Well I personally think that there is so much money involved in IKS that there will be solutions.Sometimes we read that an underground hack for FTA already exists.Perhaps they can use this Hack to bypass Anycast.Anyhow I don't think it will go down without a Fight!

[MarvinGardens]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

[wedalan]

https://youtu.be/12ZUpe6ucvU

Except I think the black screen will be much longer than 30 seconds.

[monchino]

charly is happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InRDF_0lfHk