Wednesday MAY 27 2015 4:00 PM EST ECM IN EFFECT

[jedi]

Looks like Dish has an ECM in effect. Only local channels, porn and a few Spanish channels now working - the rest are returning "invalid control words"

Blow the dust off your IPTV boxes and Kodi - may be hard to fix this if they don't pull the ECM.

[wheresmystuff]

Maybe pushed out anycast command already? I wish I had the. Knowledge to read the streams.. :(

[jedi]

Maybe pushed out anycast command already? I wish I had the. Knowledge to read the streams.. :(

Could be - nobody knows but the Shadow :-)

We will have to wait until tomorrow - if they don't pull the ECM then it may be game over for IKS MPEG2 at least and maybe MPEG4 also :-(

The local channels are still giving valid control words in our area while in the card server - but all other channels are invalid.
Cards are not hit and work fine in their legally subscribed receiver - they just don't work for all channels while in the server

[sunfire19]

I think thay did this ecm in the past so nothing new with this one

[jedi]

I think thay did this ecm in the past so nothing new with this one

Yes they have - but so far they have always pulled the ECM next morning. Only time will tell if they are going to pull this one.

The timing is a little different - this one is on a Wednesday instead of a Tuesday - and we were not due for our regular 4 week hit until next Tuesday - so they jumped the gun a little bit :-)

Also all of the rumors about MPEG2 shutting down at the end of May is a head scratcher.

[abouttosnap]

Not all are down...maybe by morning but some are still up at present...along with some adult.

[eramnauth]

Not all are down...maybe by morning but some are still up at present...along with some adult.

Yes-those channels that were up are slowly going down

[mpjassal]

any iks is up at this moments ?

[abouttosnap]

Yes-those channels that were up are slowly going down


any iks is up at this moments ?

Some are still up as I post...depends on where you are pointed...to how long only time will tell.

Oh and where you are located as to the birds you can nail.

[jedi]

any iks is up at this moments ?

The adults are gone now - pretty much down to 7 local channels here plus 6 Spanish channels. There are a total of about 60 channels - but the others are mostly HD spot beamed to Cuba/Puerto Rico - 31 channels between 4900 and 4963 and then 16 channels between 7767 and 7818, channels 844 849 852 and 856.
Channels 5150 5153 5154 5155 5156 (I think those are local channels in Jackson MS.

[franky932]

Down up north of the border with D**h...........:tape:

[manyjay]

Some are still up as I post...depends on where you are pointed...to how long only time will tell.

Oh and where you are located as to the birds you can nail.

can you please post who has services UP ?

[wheresmystuff]

can you please post who has services UP ?

look through provider threads, people will be posting in them

[wheresmystuff]

The adults are gone now - pretty much down to 7 local channels here plus 6 Spanish channels. There are a total of about 60 channels - but the others are mostly HD spot beamed to Cuba/Puerto Rico - 31 channels between 4900 and 4963 and then 16 channels between 7767 and 7818, channels 844 849 852 and 856.
Channels 5150 5153 5154 5155 5156 (I think those are local channels in Jackson MS.

dang looks like teh bell could have been rung. but wait and see i guess do you log the stream? anything different from previous ecms?

[manyjay]

look through provider threads, people will be posting in them

did not see anybody reporting UP , thats why asked :D

[abouttosnap]

can you please post who has services UP ?

You will have to check your ps to see if they support it but 77W is still up...not sure how long and most would have to re point and it is not reachable for all...have to also check the footprint. Also have to keep in mind depending on what dn is doing...by the time some re point it could be game over for 77W as well.

Need to check lyngsat as to channels to whether it would be worth the trouble...lot different channel line up and mostly in Spanish.

[jedi]

dang looks like teh bell could have been rung. but wait and see i guess do you log the stream? anything different from previous ecms?

It's not looking good.
I'm not logging the stream - I can see the control words being processed by the cards and can see all of cached channels that are available and what is not.

This is different from our normal Tuesday hits about every 4 weeks. Usually Dish destroys the cards - so the cards just have to be replaced with new ones. With this ECM they did not destroy the cards - they are still good - but in our area they will only process control words for the local channels. All other channels show invalid control word while in the card servers. Pull that same card out and put it in the subscribed receiver and it process control words for every channel.

They have done this type of hit several times before - but they have always pulled the hit - usually by the next morning. When they pull the hit - the cards just start working again. If they don't pull the hit this time I think it may be the end of IKS.
There has always been rumours floating around that Raton will appear with a magic fix for whatever they are doing - but I guess we will have to wait and see if he appears.

I think most guys are moving onto IPTV

[Matzimme]

Have to wait and see, we've seen this type of ecm about 6 times and like you said they have always pulled it. On the other hand, they have to pull it eventually. Many are saying its anycast but that's at the hardware level, nothing to do with what's happening at the moment. It's a known fact ECM's get harder and harder to recover from, especially what has been deployed lately (multiple hits etc)

[jedi]

Have to wait and see, we've seen this type of ecm about 6 times and like you said they have always pulled it. On the other hand, they have to pull it eventually. Many are saying its anycast but that's at the hardware level, nothing to do with what's happening at the moment. It's a known fact ECM's get harder and harder to recover from, especially what has been deployed lately (multiple hits etc)

I don't they have to pull it - it is not affecting their legal subscribers - only the illegal stuff.
My guess it has to do with the switch from MPEG2 to MPEG4. I think the only place still using the older MPEG2 receivers like 301 and 501s are in Puerto Rico/Cuba. Everywhere else has been switched over to MPEG4 capable receivers - 311 322 VIPs etc.
That could be why the IKS is still working in Puerto Rico and Cuba from a spot beam.

[A365]

They have 311's,322's and other MPEG2 receivers on the prepaid program (FLEX) and still working

[jedi]

They have 311's,322's and other MPEG2 receivers on the prepaid program (FLEX) and still working

Yes they do - but those 311 and 322 receivers are all MPEG4 compatible - so they won't have to swap those out.

The only fully MPEG2 receivers are the 301 and 501 class receiver - they haven't let us subscribe those receivers in my area for over a year - but I was told that they are still using them in Puerto Rico. The channels that they get there are not conus - they are just on a spot beam available only to that area.

[sunfire19]

if they used this hit befour i dont think it has to do with the switch from MPEG2 to MPEG4 just dish playing games and we have find a way to fix it

[wheresmystuff]

If cards are fine in legit receivers, and not card servers, I am wondering what they using to share cards. I remeber reading something that most are using like a dreambox or something of the sort and that the thought was that if they were using like a VIP IRD or something they would of been better off
I'm no guru at this stuff so I can't say hoow it works on the back end.

[lacoster7]

Maybee dish implement some algo checking whether card is in original receiver.
So if card is in original receiver, then producing proper CW.
If card is in the card server, then is producing improper CW.
I think it is fixable.Card readers in card server has to be connected at the same time to card reader in original receiver.
Some rewiring is needed, I guess. Do not exactly know how existing setups are implemented, but I think it is not end of the world and IKS.
And do not think that redesigningf of card sharring is necessary.

[wheresmystuff]

Maybee dish implement some algo checking whether card is in original receiver.
So if card is in original receiver, then producing proper CW.
If card is in the card server, then is producing improper CW.
I think it is fixable.Card readers in card server has to be connected at the same time to card reader in original receiver.
Some rewiring is needed, I guess. Do not exactly know how existing setups are implemented, but I think it is not end of the world and IKS.
And do not think that redesigningf of card sharring is necessary.

guess we'll see

[nordic]

south is back up

[fred1438]

nordic's south server up,my other south servers no up yet!!

[abouttosnap]

Seems to be back up...folks need to check the up/down thread for their ps to see what the status is for their particular ps...this ecm seems to be at it's end.

[62bug]

npiks is up

[jedi]

Yep - once again Dish pulled the hit - glory hallelujah - all of the cards that were in the card servers are now working again.
There was no fix involved - so Dish still has the upper hand and can pull this same ECM again whenever they want.
I think this is one of the longest times they have left us without TV - maybe they were just trying to prove a point that they are still in control - and guess what "THEY ARE"

I'm willing to bet that next Tuesday AROUND 4:00 pm we will have a card hit that kills all cards - do I have any takers :-)

Nobody but Dish high ranking executives knows why they pulled the hit - I think they are afraid of IPTV and are happy with the current IKS scenario. When everyone moves over to IPTV en masse they will lose control and cannot stop it in my opinion.
They may have been a little late pulling this hit - I hear that a lot of dealers have already started to move their IKS guys over to IPTV - this hit may have been the final straw to convice everyone that IPTV was the way to go.

Please don't jump down my throat - I did say "In my opinion" :-)

[6666]

Jedi your still trying to sell IPTV service....its too expensive for dish to switch to mpg 4.....every ecm you say the same thing the switch has arrived just shut up IPTV just sucks ....

[#1tiny]

Jedi your still trying to sell IPTV service....its too expensive for dish to switch to mpg 4.....every ecm you say the same thing the switch has arrived just shut up IPTV just sucks ....

Wow! First off iks is coming to a end!! Second iptv doesn't suck!

[missbeahaving]

IPTV is bandwith and network constraints, throteling, server limits ..... as for the switch to mp4 its more to a new receiver-card-inter relation that makes iks and existing cam exchange useless.. cat and mouse..
Dish would have to replace billions in sd non mpeg4 receivers.. reprograming is cheaper and maybe breakeable..
Id Dn decides to upgrade sd receivers the may question their encryption system.
I would..

[6666]

Is there a IPTV with a fully EPG and no buffering please message me...

[missbeahaving]

no buffering?? thats a 2 way street and no one will guarantee that..

[DualTest]

Jedi your still trying to sell IPTV service....its too expensive for dish to switch to mpg 4.....every ecm you say the same thing the switch has arrived just shut up IPTV just sucks ....

Hi Charlie long time no see.

[dishuser]

it's called testing the waters before finally pulling the trigger that kills
today is the 29th by the way so enjoy iks weekend...lol

[jedi]

it's called testing the waters before finally pulling the trigger that kills
today is the 29th by the way so enjoy iks weekend...lol

Good call DU - I'm with you on that one :-)

[jedi]

Is there a IPTV with a fully EPG and no buffering please message me...

Yes IPTV has come a long way - there are some decent services that have a guide and I never see any buffering like I do with Kodi

[dishuser]

Good call DU - I'm with you on that one :-)unless raton or pgm come out of retirement I foresee a lot of black screens for south with north to follow

[jedi]

IPTV is bandwith and network constraints, throteling, server limits ..... as for the switch to mp4 its more to a new receiver-card-inter relation that makes iks and existing cam exchange useless.. cat and mouse..
Dish would have to replace billions in sd non mpeg4 receivers.. reprograming is cheaper and maybe breakeable..
Id Dn decides to upgrade sd receivers the may question their encryption system.
I would..

Yes IPTV can be bandwidth intensive for the end user - but it is not for the servers. With multicast they can serve thousands of clients - they don't use one-on-one streaming - so there is no server limits.

Not sure where you're going with the MP4 reference - I don't think you will find anyone that has MP2 receivers in continental USA - if so they are few and far between - not the billion dollar replacement you are talking about. Don't forget MPEG4 does not mean high def - the 311 and 322 receivers are not hi def but they are MPEG4 capable. A lot of people confuse MPEG4 as meaning hi def - it is not.

Dish could bring this exact same ECM on tonight, tomorrow or anytime and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do to defeat this ECM. IMO it is just a matter of time.

[jedi]

Jedi your still trying to sell IPTV service....its too expensive for dish to switch to mpg 4.....every ecm you say the same thing the switch has arrived just shut up IPTV just sucks ....

I'm not trying to sell anything - least of all IPTV LOL - I have never offered anything for sale here or at any other site.
I hope IKS lasts for another 10 years - I would be one happy camper :-)
I am just being a realist - it is pretty obvious Dish can shut down IKS anytime they want and so far nobody has anything to stop them.
Like DU said the only hope for IKS is a saviour like Raton or PGM to resurface.

Sounds like you are one of those guys that is confusing MPG4 with hid def - do a little research - MPG4 is not hi def. A 311 or 322 receiver is MPG4 capable but it is not hi def. I don't think there are that many subscribed 301 or 501 receivers left in the USA so it would cost them peanuts to make the switch.

[dishuser]

the dl t4 is mpeg4 but an sd receiver
seems they were the only one that saw the future...lol

[jedi]

Maybee dish implement some algo checking whether card is in original receiver.
So if card is in original receiver, then producing proper CW.
If card is in the card server, then is producing improper CW.
I think it is fixable.Card readers in card server has to be connected at the same time to card reader in original receiver.
Some rewiring is needed, I guess. Do not exactly know how existing setups are implemented, but I think it is not end of the world and IKS.
And do not think that redesigningf of card sharring is necessary.

A lot of very smart guys have been trying to do that for several years - but as far as I know it has not been done.
The receiver shuts down when you try to do that.
Even if they could do that it would just stop Dish from killing the cards. With this ECM they did NOT kill the cards but all IKS was down until they pulled the ECM. It would not matter how you were getting the control words - it just wouldn't work for most channels.

[jedi]

the dl t4 is mpeg4 but an sd receiver
seems they were the only one that saw the future...lol

I wonder if Dish will give me a replacement for all my T4 receivers LOL :-)

[Graeme33smith]

Good to know info, bottom line - the EPG Style IPTV - with so many around. Who can recommend a good one with south ( mostly Indian ch's ) - for the folks, I have almost turned into a cord cutter. I own a roku at this time

[jedi]

Good to know info, bottom line - the EPG Style IPTV - with so many around. Who can recommend a good one with south ( mostly Indian ch's ) - for the folks, I have almost turned into a cord cutter. I own a roku at this time

Why not try the NFPS- I think it is still free

[kutter]

I'm not trying to sell anything - least of all IPTV LOL - I have never offered anything for sale here or at any other site.
I hope IKS lasts for another 10 years - I would be one happy camper :-)
I am just being a realist - it is pretty obvious Dish can shut down IKS anytime they want and so far nobody has anything to stop them.
Like DU said the only hope for IKS is a saviour like Raton or PGM to resurface.

Sounds like you are one of those guys that is confusing MPG4 with hid def - do a little research - MPG4 is not hi def. A 311 or 322 receiver is MPG4 capable but it is not hi def. I don't think there are that many subscribed 301 or 501 receivers left in the USA so it would cost them peanuts to make the switch.

and some people confuse compression and modulation ...

the 311 and 322 are not MPEG4 capable and there is no way to make them MPEG4 capable, at least not without swapping out the BCM4500 ... so a hardware swap would be required for all their customers that have them as well ...

letters were sent out to anyone that had boxes that were only capable of QPSK, so it's a logical conclusion that the changes will be in the type of modulation not the compression ... everything will eventually switch to turbo 8PSK ... both the 311 and 322 are capable of turbo 8PSK ...

[kingkhan]

So I guess despite the strong rumours. IKS didn't die and there is no rush to get IPTV..at least for the time being.

[whoknows]

[QUOTE=kingkhan;1150325]So I guess despite the strong rumours. IKS didn't die and there is no rush to get IPTV..at least for the time being.[/QUOTE

Anything that IPTV will give you is there ready and free to be streamed to your computer and then an h d m i cord from your computer to your television. You can do this anytime and not play follow the leader with those that are trying to sell you something.

[Nostradamus]

hmmm .. you didn't see what happened last week or even Sunday AM? DN pulled that little ploy back out of the stream for some reason but they can turn it back on at the flick of a switch. Just because it is June 1st and everything is not all black do not consider yourself exonerated. Think more of it as running on borrowed time.

[abouttosnap]

So I guess despite the strong rumours. IKS didn't die and there is no rush to get IPTV..at least for the time being.

I'm assuming most knew that the chances of it going down on exactly May 31st would be slim to none...could be days, weeks or months...all depends on how long it takes dn to circle the wagons. As far as iptv goes guess that is up to the individual...still trying to rap my head around it myself.

[Condor]

Anything that IPTV will give you is there ready and free to be streamed to your computer and then an h d m i cord from your computer to your television. You can do this anytime and not play follow the leader with those that are trying to sell you something.


Great point WK......

[kingkhan]

Of course I get that Charlie can turn off IKS at any time. I just meant the posts of end of IKS May 31, seem like an attempt of a mass migration by some IPTV resellers.

[jedi]

[QUOTE=kingkhan;1150325]So I guess despite the strong rumours. IKS didn't die and there is no rush to get IPTV..at least for the time being.[/QUOTE

Anything that IPTV will give you is there ready and free to be streamed to your computer and then an h d m i cord from your computer to your television. You can do this anytime and not play follow the leader with those that are trying to sell you something.

Yes you can pretty much find any channel you want for free somewhere on the internet - it just takes a little bit of searching. The channels do move around from time to time - so it may be available for a while and then disappear so you have to find another link. Kodi does a pretty good job of updating the links - but it's not perfect.
There isn't any EPG Guide so in most cases you can't see what you are watching or see what is coming up next.
It may not be feasible for the older generation like gramps and granny - so if they have a tough time finding a channel with their IKS box's remote control - you can imagine the frustration of trying to teach them the ins and outs of Kodi. You can't just punch in 205 and jump to Fox News or 110 to go to Food Network - so channel surfing is a little harder.
I like Kodi but it may not be right for some people.

I know most guys here hate the IKS and IPTV profiteers - but some people may not mind paying a small monthly fee to a private IPTV service to make it easier for them to use. Full EPG Guides are available showing you what is playing now and in the future - the one I saw today had a full 8 day guide with complete info just like a legal Dish or DTV receiver would have. It is also easy to channel surf - just scroll up and down through the channels until you find something you like - just like you would with your IKS receiver.

With most you can stick in a USB drive and record anything you want with just a click of a button and play it back later or just watch as you reccord.

The good private servers have a wider selection of channels available than you would find with any IKS service.

You can find services with pretty much any ethnic channels you want. You will also see a mixture of US, Canadian and European (Sky) channels. You can sort the channels alphabetically or numerically and most group their channels into sub groups like News, Kids, Movies, Adult, etc. and different groups of languages like Arabic, South Asian, French, Chinese, Polish, Portuguese, Spanish, etc.

Some services have their channels sorted so they are similar to Dishnet channels - so press 200 to jump directly to CNN or 110 to jump to Food Network. So if you already know the Dishnet channels numbers it will be easy to get around for you.

With the box I saw it was easy to add more than one private server - so you can try several out and go with the one you like the best.

The good private servers update their channels everyday - so you should rarely see any dead channels.

Most of the private servers offer thousands of Video on Demand movies that are available anytime 24 hours a day that you can start, pause and stop as you like. The selection usually includes some current PPV movies and some movies currently playing at the theatre.

Some services offer several live streaming radio stations.

As I said at the start - most of these channels you can find for free somewhere on the internet - but if you're not computer savy you may not mind paying a small monthly fee for someone to aggragate and sort the channels for you. Some of them will be streaming their own live channels to their servers and that is not something the average Joe can afford to do.

You can hate the idea of IPTV profiteers - but don't shoot the messenger - I'm relatively new to IPTV and just relaying some info I have found along the way.

[abouttosnap]

This thread was started on an ecm from over a week ago...and now it looks like a thread for iptv which this is the wrong section for so time to put it to rest until the next one...I'm sure it will resurface again with the next ecm.