what do you all think?

[Nostradamus]

Is it too late in the IKS game for somebody with no experience to jump in and get his feet wet? personally I wouldn't recommend anybody invest any amount of money at this point in time but that is just my opinion

[weezer]

Is it too late in the IKS game for somebody with no experience to jump in and get his feet wet? personally I wouldn't recommend anybody invest any amount of money at this point in time but that is just my opinion

i agree and i wouldnt invest in any iptv box either too unstable get a android box or put kodi on pc enjoy that.

[hutch]

poorly worded poll Nostra... whichever way you vote can count either way:noidea:

[Nostradamus]

not sure if I can change it now, I think my post clarifies it a bit

[bigbadbrother]

Really bad time to get in to the game, wait,watch and read. bad things maybe coming.

[KIDWCKED]

yes only for a specific server...jmo.

[scooby8888]

if he could get everything cheap if not free from say a friend who has a box laying around, put on dish for a bit IF it goes down then try bev just tell him to record all the porn he can for those days, weeks, months etc until it does go. :) but like i said don't be buying any box.

[abouttosnap]

Going by my last stb purchase from about a year ago and from a quick look see on fleabay this is the way I see it at this point in time with someone starting from nothing...after a purchase of an stb, dish, year donation and adding in about 50 bucks for extras such as RG6, wifi adapter and or switch etc. you are looking at roughly $330 give or take. This is going on US costs and locking onto 110, 119 and the 129. If you can live with that and understand that you could possibly be looking at a black tv screen at any give time then run with it.

[iq180]

No one should be getting into this game at this point in time, if you are you should be looking into C band, but from reading the thread that started this thread, I think that member should find something else to spend there extra money on.JMO,LOL.

[orbweaver]

just to add to the thread that began this. i have all the equipment to start except a new box i have been around since the h hu p4 card dave days.i used to load about 75 cards for freinds .i have 5 dishes set by a birddog to nec birds dont assume cause i ask a simple question i know nothing..i was just looking for some help but i will look into these other options people have offered above thank you for given me options

[Benney]

just to add to the thread that began this. i have all the equipment to start except a new box i have been around since the h hu p4 card dave days.i used to load about 75 cards for freinds .i have 5 dishes set by a birddog to nec birds dont assume cause i ask a simple question i know nothing..i was just looking for some help but i will look into these other options people have offered above thank you for given me options

Wait till December!

Oh and check the attitude at the door.

[iq180]

just to add to the thread that began this. i have all the equipment to start except a new box i have been around since the h hu p4 card dave days.i used to load about 75 cards for freinds .i have 5 dishes set by a birddog to nec birds dont assume cause i ask a simple question i know nothing..i was just looking for some help but i will look into these other options people have offered above thank you for given me options
OK, so where have you been for the last 10 years, we could have used your help around here.
Now if you had posted this info with your wifi question, you mite not have got the same answer, now I could be wrong but I don't think so.

[Wrench]

The sky is falling. Blah blah blah

[jvvh5897]

I never thought IKS was a good thing to do and still don't.

[abouttosnap]

I would have preferred to stay with standalone myself but that was just not going to happen so the rest is history.

[Terryl]

I'll stick to true FTA, and the new "C" band setup should be done by next week. (too hot to work out there today)

I have netflix and others to enjoy the premium stuff, and OTA for the locals, IKS is a big ulcer starter, your just sitting at the mailbox, twisting your hands in agony, pulling your hair out, running around on the front lawn screaming like a chicken, waiting for that dreaded letter to come in.(and it very well could be on it's way)(it might just be down at the local mail sorting room waiting for the truck)(it might be in the printers office waiting for the envelope and stamp)(Dish might be beating up your ISP for your address right now)(the Titanic has sunk once again)(I've had too many cups of coffee this morning)

[Costactc]

Just my 2 cents....probably a bad time to take the plunge into dn iks but bev doesn't seem to be heading in that direction yet and of course you need to be in its footprint as well. My motto is if it's up there then I want to see it. I have 6 satellite dishes of which 4 of them(10', 8', 4', 4') are true fta dedicated. All 6 dishes combined pull me in excess of 3k channels. I too would have preffered the old standalone box but as Snapper posted it all changed. It's great while it lasts and hopefully it will for some time. There are many alternatives out there if you really want to watch the channels you prefer but making an investment into dn iks would be foolish at this point in time, JMO.

[tubbs]

I look at it this way.
If you have an old dish on the roof and an extra 100 bucks in your pocket. buy and set up the IKS...

A Dave or charlie sub costs you 100 buck a month anyhow...

[ChillyWilly]

Looks like the mpeg4 conversion will be done in mid July..... so give it another month, then expect the worst

[kutter]

Looks like the mpeg4 conversion will be done in mid July..... so give it another month, then expect the worst

lol ... I think you mean the conversion to turbo 8PSK ... they will not be converting everything to MPEG4 for quite some time ... 311,311k and 322 receivers are not capable of MPEG4 ... they are currently sending MPEG2 receivers to their customers so there's no way in hell they intend to swap them out this year ...

[fn59]

There is another option I don't see mentioned often, sub sharing. Don't have to worry having an internet connection or down time. Less expensive than footing the bill for a sub by yourself.

[ChillyWilly]

lol ... I think you mean the conversion to turbo 8PSK ... they will not be converting everything to MPEG4 for quite some time ... 311,311k and 322 receivers are not capable of MPEG4 ... they are currently sending MPEG2 receivers to their customers so there's no way in hell they intend to swap them out this year ...

http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?181452-The-End&p=1150967#post1150967

[kutter]

http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?181452-The-End&p=1150967#post1150967

you'll notice that the first paragraph was the only one in quotation marks ... the second was added by someone else and isn't part of any official announcement :)

obviously they can free up more space by converting to MPEG4, but at what cost ? ... and how much extra bandwidth do they need anyway ... it appears that they are content with the savings that switching everything to turbo 8PSK will yield, at least for the time being ...

like I said, they are still sending MPEG2 receivers to their WA customers so they aren't switching SD to MPEG4 ... it's not possible

[henpecked]

Totally agree..I mentioned in another post...Living in Canada I'm sharing a sub for Directv and sub share on Bell...More than enough...
However, we never got into this in the first place to watch TV..it was the thrill of the chase...I got involved in the 80s with C-band...Now,I just wanna watch TV...
I gave IKS a try to see how it worked...it sucked...I gave IPTV a try..it sucked...Wait till IKS goes totally down and everyone turns to IPTV...it will be "freeze city" on all providers...
So, sub-share is the way to go in my very humble opinion.














There is another option I don't see mentioned often, sub sharing. Don't have to worry having an internet connection or down time. Less expensive than footing the bill for a sub by yourself.

[Nostradamus]

well tomorrow is June 10th so it should be interesting to see what happens and if channels start to vanish. I have been told that there has been occurrences over the last 2 weeks when channels on 119 have disappeared for awhile. Apparently DN has been up to something because when a channel blanks out some receivers are still showing a signal and others are showing no signal or quality. Just a wait and see game at this point. As for channel conversion or new encryption who knows. there was something mentioned about eastern arc as well and realigning dishes at one point. I guess everyone is going to have to wait and see what happens when the dust settles LOL

[kutter]

well tomorrow is June 10th so it should be interesting to see what happens and if channels start to vanish. I have been told that there has been occurrences over the last 2 weeks when channels on 119 have disappeared for awhile. Apparently DN has been up to something because when a channel blanks out some receivers are still showing a signal and others are showing no signal or quality. Just a wait and see game at this point. As for channel conversion or new encryption who knows. there was something mentioned about eastern arc as well and realigning dishes at one point. I guess everyone is going to have to wait and see what happens when the dust settles LOL

Dish moved certain locals from the Western Arc to the Eastern Arc ... those customers got 211's and a free alignment

[JCO]

Name a new , really new iks receiver in the last year or so.. Hint Hint..Nudge Nudge..

[ftanewbie]

well tomorrow is June 10th so it should be interesting to see what happens and if channels start to vanish. I have been told that there has been occurrences over the last 2 weeks when channels on 119 have disappeared for awhile. Apparently DN has been up to something because when a channel blanks out some receivers are still showing a signal and others are showing no signal or quality. Just a wait and see game at this point. As for channel conversion or new encryption who knows. there was something mentioned about eastern arc as well and realigning dishes at one point. I guess everyone is going to have to wait and see what happens when the dust settles LOL


i did notice that to....119 when offline for while and then came back up and my box 8PSK ready.....but im sure IKS is toast is just matter of time now.

[haggis]

well tomorrow is June 10th so it should be interesting to see what happens and if channels start to vanish. I have been told that there has been occurrences over the last 2 weeks when channels on 119 have disappeared for awhile. Apparently DN has been up to something because when a channel blanks out some receivers are still showing a signal and others are showing no signal or quality. Just a wait and see game at this point. As for channel conversion or new encryption who knows. there was something mentioned about eastern arc as well and realigning dishes at one point. I guess everyone is going to have to wait and see what happens when the dust settles LOL

As Nostrodamus said, we should all wait for tomorrow/// I have been in the game for about 12 years, he knows that, it is all rumours at the moment, and we all have seen , heard the rumours before, I at last, jumped on the android boxes, as, a lot of people have, geez// if it keeps up, with android boxes, there will be no need for TV, except maybe? for local news, JMO., OK, as Nostrodamus , said, yes, I have heard in last , maybe, 10 days, 119s, have been dropping, BUT, again, tomorrow, is supposed to be D-Day, so, we shall see, MAYBE/? So bring it on// if it is true?? There IS a lot of people getting away, from the IKS, thing, and jumping on the android boxes, myself I have the g box, with the Kodi, working just great, but, remember, you DO NEED UNLIMITED INTERNET, or it WILL cost you a bloody fortune, Here is to , tomorrow/// THEN we shall ALL find out, rumours or NOT RUMOURS///

[kutter]

i did notice that to....119 when offline for while and then came back up and my box 8PSK ready.....but im sure IKS is toast is just matter of time now.

of course it would go offline, just because your box is 8PSK capable doesn't mean it will automatically switch by itself :)

[iq180]

I think C band is the way to go now,jmo, there is a new=openbox V8 combo=on the market now for less than 75 USD, free shipping with the option to add powervu keys.

[Nostradamus]

well that is good for anybody that wants to mess with big dishes and have the room for one, but I am sure there will be somebody try to mount one on their 10th floor balcony just the same LOL

[burnsy]

What is odd about that mine is OK
24497

[kimd]

I totally agree with this However, trying to find a reseller that will take nothing other than PP is one hell of a challenge. Been in this for a long time like a lot of you guys. (since before BLACK SUNDAY) but, if I have to go thru PP I'm done ...Just Sayin kimd

Going by my last stb purchase from about a year ago and from a quick look see on fleabay this is the way I see it at this point in time with someone starting from nothing...after a purchase of an stb, dish, year donation and adding in about 50 bucks for extras such as RG6, wifi adapter and or switch etc. you are looking at roughly $330 give or take. This is going on US costs and locking onto 110, 119 and the 129. If you can live with that and understand that you could possibly be looking at a black tv screen at any give time then run with it.

[iq180]

well that is good for anybody that wants to mess with big dishes and have the room for one, but I am sure there will be somebody try to mount one on their 10th floor balcony just the same LOL
Yep, you know there are some people that are going to try that,LOL.

[kutter]

What is odd about that mine is OK
24497

lol ... I can't imagine trying to work on the other 2 dishes ... looks like they would be a little difficult to work on :)

[ftanewbie]

lol ... I can't imagine trying to work on the other 2 dishes ... looks like they would be a little difficult to work on :)

that has to be Photoshop...yikes

[wheresmystuff]

that has to be Photoshop...yikes

Some people really love their tv, I wouldn't doubt this is real :)

[1boxman]

Still a lot available with a 33 / 36 antenna (dish) .. and free .. even better if you are in good foot print..use a motor. I am lucky enough to get about 25 free HD OTA channels . You can all most ..lol multiply them by 15 ..translate them to another language ... rent some movies ..and presto... you now have as much channels as a satellite provider ...:thumbsup::tehe:

[hondoharry]

Hogwash! IKS will live on and once again survive another 'sky is falling' doomsday rumor timeline.

[kutter]

Hogwash! IKS will live on and once again survive another 'sky is falling' doomsday rumor timeline.

lol ... time will tell ...

if someone can still provide the keys, then the boxes that are capable of turbo 8PSK will still work for IKS ...

[abouttosnap]

Like I said in another thread...sonicview files are good till 2028 so iks is good till midnight December 31, 2028 so we are good till then. :thumbsup: How does the song go... ♪ I want my...I want my free tv ♪ Beside once you load third party you belong to the :devil: then boowhaaaa.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

There have been times when things did not live on for awhile like when C- Band went to VC2+ and when Dave went to their latest card. Nag might never get their act together but than they could where for some period things did not live on. When these blackouts occur with no so called freetv activity than all the rumors start and some un savory opportunist folks go out to scam and make you a victim.



GS2

[TheMaritimer]

I understand that, in the worst case scenario, that the feeding of 20+ channels off a single card may go wayside.... but I'd love to hear how a turbo8psk change, a mpeg4 change, or even anyCast (smartcard version, not the UHD version) would stop the sharing of CW for 1-3 channels per card. IKS would not be as easy when 1 IRD can only feed one or so channels, but even with IPTV you are not going to be able to feed more than one or so channels per source IRD after said changes.

The techniques already exist, they are just a little different, and less efficient, than what the servers are doing now.




** all my posts are speculative, i am not involved in the IKS or IPTV industry, but enjoy speculative conversation ***

[kutter]

I understand that, in the worst case scenario, that the feeding of 20+ channels off a single card may go wayside.... but I'd love to hear how a turbo8psk change, a mpeg4 change, or even anyCast (smartcard version, not the UHD version) would stop the sharing of CW for 1-3 channels per card. IKS would not be as easy when 1 IRD can only feed one or so channels, but even with IPTV you are not going to be able to feed more than one or so channels per source IRD after said changes.

The techniques already exist, they are just a little different, and less efficient, than what the servers are doing now.




** all my posts are speculative, i am not involved in the IKS or IPTV industry, but enjoy speculative conversation ***

according to Nagra, "anyCAST COMMAND, part of NAGRA’s comprehensive new anyCAST Security Services Platform, changes the paradigm for content security by concentrating both decryption and descrambling into a single, secure NAGRA device."

so how are you going to intercept the CW when the CW isn't being transmitted between the card and IRD ?

[TheMaritimer]

There is also talk of anyCast in other forms, and with different levels of security. From my understanding, at this point in time only the UHD receivers are going to be using this type of anyCast which prohibits the CW being transmitted between the card and IRD.

DN is currently swapping out older receivers with boxes that are still built with architecture to descramble onboard, and decrypt on card. From what I can tell, even if an anyCast card was released that could both descramble and decrypt, that these receivers are not set up to receive a descrambled stream from the card -- only a decrypted one. Thus the CW is still being transmitted in a fashion in which it could be captured. Furthermore, even if it was possible to descramble/decrypt on the card on these receivers, it'd be awfully wasteful of DN to swap out peoples boxes to MPEG4/Turbo8 with a non-Anycast smartcard (as they are currently doing), and then have to turn around and do a swap to a brand new style (ie expensive) smartcard shortly after.

What I gather from the anyCast articles is that DN is working to end CWS/IKS.... for UHD content. And it has more to do with requirements for carrying UHD than anything else, so I cannot see it being a profitable decision for DN to take such actions to knock out CWS for SD/HD equipment... especially when they have their hands full simply doing so on the new UHD boxes.

** all my posts are speculative, i am not involved in the IKS or IPTV industry, but enjoy speculative conversation ***

[Limon]

I understand that, in the worst case scenario, that the feeding of 20+ channels off a single card may go wayside.... but I'd love to hear how a turbo8psk change, a mpeg4 change, or even anyCast (smartcard version, not the UHD version) would stop the sharing of CW for 1-3 channels per card. IKS would not be as easy when 1 IRD can only feed one or so channels, but even with IPTV you are not going to be able to feed more than one or so channels per source IRD after said changes.

The techniques already exist, they are just a little different, and less efficient, than what the servers are doing now.




** all my posts are speculative, i am not involved in the IKS or IPTV industry, but enjoy speculative conversation ***

If it would be possible to squeeze 3 or 4 channels out of an OEM box (per C/W cycle) then ECM's would be history as the card would be in it's IRD. It would need more investment to start out with, but in the long run would be cheaper as no burnt cards every two weeks.

As far as anyCast working in existing boxes I doubt it, and even if it was remotely possible it would need a card swap and we all know how long that takes.

BTW The 311's firmware update has started, they were lucky they had that option available to them, I bet it wasn't designed that way.

[hondoharry]

I do believe the day will come when IKS is no longer feasible. Just not yet. Maybe in a year or so.

[hondoharry]

There have been times when things did not live on for awhile like when C- Band went to VC2+ and when Dave went to their latest card. Nag might never get their act together but than they could where for some period things did not live on. When these blackouts occur with no so called freetv activity than all the rumors start and some un savory opportunist folks go out to scam and make you a victim.



GS2

Sure this may happen when IKS takes its final bow, but the question is when that will happen.

[dishuser]

then how as testers did we know that over 4 years ago?lol
If it would be possible to squeeze 3 or 4 channels out of an OEM box (per C/W cycle) then ECM's would be history as the card would be in it's IRD. It would need more investment to start out with, but in the long run would be cheaper as no burnt cards every two weeks.

As far as anyCast working in existing boxes I doubt it, and even if it was remotely possible it would need a card swap and we all know how long that takes.

BTW The 311's firmware update has started, they were lucky they had that option available to them, I bet it wasn't designed that way.

[dishuser]

Sure this may happen when IKS takes its final bow, but the question is when that will happen.

according to you?lol

[jedi]

I look at it this way.
If you have an old dish on the roof and an extra 100 bucks in your pocket. buy and set up the IKS...

A Dave or charlie sub costs you 100 buck a month anyhow...

I have to agree with you - you can buy a friggin box for $50 and an excellent service for $25 that gets pretty much everything - so if you already have a dish it is a no brainer for me - pull the trigger and try it out.
If you subscribe for a legal service you're looking a bigger investment than that.

For those that have been around for awhile I'm sure you've heard the story many times before - now is not a good time to get into this - it may not last too long. They have been saying that for over 7 years about card sharing and guess what it is still going. I still remember using Raton's RQCS program when it first came out and then moving on to CSP and then to Raton's FSLB - what a great run we have had.
If it ends now - so be it - IMO there will always be something better down the road. Maybe it is IPTV - or who knows - maybe somebody has something up their sleeve to continue the IKS saga :-)

If you figure out the cost of a legal subscription fully loaded - there is not many of us that can afford the monthly cost - but this hobby gives us a chance to see how the big dogs live.

In my opinion it is never too late for a small investment. There are a lot of options out there - I would probably lean toward IPTV - that may be a few more bucks but I think it may last longer. But if you can pick up a cheap IKS receiver - it could last for a few months ---- or who knows how long?

[jedi]

I understand that, in the worst case scenario, that the feeding of 20+ channels off a single card may go wayside.... but I'd love to hear how a turbo8psk change, a mpeg4 change, or even anyCast (smartcard version, not the UHD version) would stop the sharing of CW for 1-3 channels per card. IKS would not be as easy when 1 IRD can only feed one or so channels, but even with IPTV you are not going to be able to feed more than one or so channels per source IRD after said changes.

The techniques already exist, they are just a little different, and less efficient, than what the servers are doing now.




** all my posts are speculative, i am not involved in the IKS or IPTV industry, but enjoy speculative conversation ***

What they are doing is pushing everyone to the big boys.

Let's say IKS is done - then for IPTV we will need one receiver per channel - no more of this pulling 20 channels from one card - so if you want to stream just 320 channels you will need 320 receivers of some sort (OTA, cable, IPTV, satellite) - so at least $12,000 for the legal subs. Then you will need an encoder for each of those channels - an 8 port encoder that can do 8 HD channels is $2500/5000 range - so that's $100,000 to $200,000 range, Then you need high speed switches - servers to compress the stream - probably fibre internet to upload the stream and then you need good bandwidth to multistream it to all your customers.
Not many of us have $300,000 to $400,000 laying around to make an investment like that except the big dogs.

[jedi]

There is also talk of anyCast in other forms, and with different levels of security. From my understanding, at this point in time only the UHD receivers are going to be using this type of anyCast which prohibits the CW being transmitted between the card and IRD.

DN is currently swapping out older receivers with boxes that are still built with architecture to descramble onboard, and decrypt on card. From what I can tell, even if an anyCast card was released that could both descramble and decrypt, that these receivers are not set up to receive a descrambled stream from the card -- only a decrypted one. Thus the CW is still being transmitted in a fashion in which it could be captured. Furthermore, even if it was possible to descramble/decrypt on the card on these receivers, it'd be awfully wasteful of DN to swap out peoples boxes to MPEG4/Turbo8 with a non-Anycast smartcard (as they are currently doing), and then have to turn around and do a swap to a brand new style (ie expensive) smartcard shortly after.

What I gather from the anyCast articles is that DN is working to end CWS/IKS.... for UHD content. And it has more to do with requirements for carrying UHD than anything else, so I cannot see it being a profitable decision for DN to take such actions to knock out CWS for SD/HD equipment... especially when they have their hands full simply doing so on the new UHD boxes.

** all my posts are speculative, i am not involved in the IKS or IPTV industry, but enjoy speculative conversation ***

I may be completely wrong on this - but my big fear with anyCast is the watermark they are going to use on every channel to identify the source of the channel. Let's say every hour or every day at some point in time they send out a signal to your receiver that flashes in the top right hand corner of your screen your account number for your legal subscription with Dish Network. So they send out the signal at midnight and watch all of these IKS or IPTV receivers and see who the source of the channel is and shut them down.

As far as I know it is only Dishnet that is moving to this new Nagra security feature so far - so the IPTV guys will just have to make sure they don't use Dishnet as their source - there is always cable or DirecTV or Bell or one of the legal IPTV services.

[hondoharry]

according to you?lol

No, according to the member I quoted. Learn to read, lol.

[dishuser]

No, according to the member I quoted. Learn to read, lol.
you need to learn english
it was a question
try answering it

[kutter]

There is also talk of anyCast in other forms, and with different levels of security. From my understanding, at this point in time only the UHD receivers are going to be using this type of anyCast which prohibits the CW being transmitted between the card and IRD.

DN is currently swapping out older receivers with boxes that are still built with architecture to descramble onboard, and decrypt on card. From what I can tell, even if an anyCast card was released that could both descramble and decrypt, that these receivers are not set up to receive a descrambled stream from the card -- only a decrypted one. Thus the CW is still being transmitted in a fashion in which it could be captured. Furthermore, even if it was possible to descramble/decrypt on the card on these receivers, it'd be awfully wasteful of DN to swap out peoples boxes to MPEG4/Turbo8 with a non-Anycast smartcard (as they are currently doing), and then have to turn around and do a swap to a brand new style (ie expensive) smartcard shortly after.

What I gather from the anyCast articles is that DN is working to end CWS/IKS.... for UHD content. And it has more to do with requirements for carrying UHD than anything else, so I cannot see it being a profitable decision for DN to take such actions to knock out CWS for SD/HD equipment... especially when they have their hands full simply doing so on the new UHD boxes.

** all my posts are speculative, i am not involved in the IKS or IPTV industry, but enjoy speculative conversation ***

I guess time will tell ... I certainly don't know the first thing about anyCast, was merely basing my opinion on the press release :)

we have interpreted it different ...

anyCAST COMMAND, in addition to eliminating CWS, will ensure pay-TV service providers are prepared for a potential future launch of 4K-UltraHD
that doesn't sound like it's intended for 4K boxes only ... if that was the case then Nagra has just wasted tons of money on something that there is no market for :)

I'm not sure why you think that a box that is capable of descrambling can't handle an already descrambled signal ?

[Nostradamus]

C & P from another site
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Ok folks here is the latest update that SatelliteGuys has received from DISH on the conversion from QPSK to 8PSK on DISH Networks Western Arc Service (110 - 119)

The following Channel changes are associated with the QPSK to 8PSK upgrade, channels will be converted to 8PSK, those accounts that still have QPSK model receivers can temporarily tune to the interim 4 digit channel in the 6000 range to receive programming, but receivers must be upgraded to 8PSK by July 15 or programming will be lost. Receivers already upgraded to 8PSK can continue to receive programming on the current channel.

Planned Changes:
June 10
CNTRO Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 832 -> 6951
MALL Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 123/220 -> 6952
MARKT Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 221 -> 6953
NEWSX Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 223 -> 6954
RCTV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 224 -> 6955
HSN2 Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 226 -> 6956
FETV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 82/9642 -> 6957
FSTV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 9415 -> 6958
LINK Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 9410 -> 6959
ALIVE Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 219 -> 6960
GEMS Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 229 -> 6961

JUNE 17
FUSE Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 164 -> 6962
EPIX3 Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 164 -> 6963
BEINE Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 873 -> 6964
SUND Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 126 -> 6965

JUNE 24
ESQNT Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 192 -> 6967
BABY1 Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 823/4856 -> 6968
FXDEP Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 855 -> 6969
GAC Satellite Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 156/4676 -> 6071
CNNES Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 859/4856 -> 6971
NTGEO Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 186 -> 6972
HLMRK Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 185 -> 6973
TNICK Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 181 -> 6973
(Please Note: on the list I receiver it lists both HLMRK and TNICK going to channel 6973 which I believe is a mistake, so from TNICK on the new channel location may be off by one. I am just posting what DISH sent me. Thanks for your understanding!)
SCI Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 193 -> 6974
DISCF Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 179 -> 6975

JULY 8
FOOD Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 110 -> 6976
HGTV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 112 -> 6977
MTV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 160 -> 6978
TRV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 196 -> 6980
IFC Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 133 -> 6980

Many channels will not be dual illuminated, it is hoped that by moving the above channels it will get people to upgrade their equipment to 8PSK compatible by then.

Here is the list of the expected conversion dates to full 8PSK for the following channels (again only on 110 / 119)

July 15
NOTAX, SUND, FUSE, WN, EPIX3, OUTSD, PRST, SEC, BEINE, AACSD, WNATT, WNATI, MALL ALIVE, MARKT, NEWSX, RCTV, HSN2, GEMS, QVC+, REAL, YOUTV, ORDER, CNTRO, DPRMO, LTD8, FSTV, LINK, ATOOL, IAD4, IAD5, DISH, D500, FETV, SPRNG,

July 22
THTRE, MOVIE, INDEP, DRMT4, HOME, FOXB, CCNEW, FSC+. SPORT, ORDER, NTEL, IAD11, IAD12, IAD1, ETC10, FTSYC, FTSYP, TRIGC, SBCVC, VWTP1, VWTP2, NFLRZ, NBATV, ID, AMERI, ZLVNG, ANGL2, CTN, SONY, GOLF, BIG10, UNVSO, TVEI, DSCE, DSFAM, TFMLA, TLHIT, ANGL2, SONY, ULTRA, MOVIE, DRMT3, DRMt5, DRMT9, ECLAS, BEIN, SPMAN, PRIME, SPSOU, CSNCA, SPORT, ONPPV, PSNES, CBBIS, NGMDO, TR3S, MLB, PCSLT, GAMES, PREVW, LMN, AXS, NOTAX, BITV, JTV, KTV, LC, SPORT, ANT3, RTLR, LTD5, DISH, IADM, TGTP, TPSS, ACTVT, GAC, DISCF, TNICK, HLMRK, NTGEO, ESQNT, SCI, FXX, BABY1, BABY, TMDOW, UFORO, FXDEP, CNNES, CINEL, LTD4, DISH, H2, HMM, PIVOT, CHILR, ALJAM, UNIME, UNIMW, ESUSP, EBLK, AZTCA, UNVSW, HITN, PELIC, PCLAS, UDEP, IAD13, IAD3, TEST1, TEST2, TEST3, AZTCA, KFUG, DLSV, DIY, COOK, FYI, CNSSN, TOONW, NATGW, AHC, WHT, MAX-L, EACTN, TENIS, TMNDO, HISTE, ESPND, CCTVE, BYUTV, CBSSN, TMNDO, BYUTV, NHLN, BOOM, NICKT, UP, HBOCY, ACMAX, 5-MAX, SBYND, ENCRW, EWSTN, STRZW, STZC, FXM, FOXS2, SPORT, NHLN, WAPAA, ESPNA, MASN2, ALT, SPORT, NHLA, MLBNA, NBA, NHL, ALT10, ALT12, ALTSC, MLB, PCSLT, SKDL, ETC3, NUDE, CHEAP, PLBYE, PLBY, ASHOW, GIRLS, VIVID, BRAZZ, TEN, RKTV, HUSLR, XTSY, ASHOW.

Another note, you may see channgls listed that you never heard of above, these may be internal testing channels, or data services. Do not be alarmed if you do note get these channels.

As always everything is subject to change. If anything changes and we hear about it, we will let you know.

[1boxman]

So the question..is ..is anyone viewing this channels in iks ?? and on there 8psk receiver ?

[hondoharry]

you need to learn english
it was a question
try answering it

You learn English. Your question has no subject or predicate and therefore makes no sense, therefore unanswerable. lol

[Nostradamus]

Sure this may happen when IKS takes its final bow, but the question is when that will happen.

since you are in the know, tell me. is channel 226 or 229 working for you today? If not why is that?

[hondoharry]

since you are in the know, tell me. is channel 226 or 229 working for you today? If not why is that?

Wish I could but only looking at 129 at this time.

226 HSN2 Home Shopping Network 2 110° TP 10 SD 8PSK Instant Order Preview – (was SD Instant Order Preview)

6956 HSN2 Home Shopping Network 2 110° TP 10 SD Hidden – AVAILABLE

[abouttosnap]

Just for s**ts and giggles I rescanned tp10 12355...below is the results I came up with...messed around with the freq. and modulation on a few of the channels in the list but came up with the same result...maybe I'm missing something or they are already under anycast :noidea:.

832-no
123
220
221-no
223-no
224-no
226-no
219-no
229-no

6951-no
6952-no
6953-no
6954-no
6955-no
6956-no
6957-no
6958-no
6959-no
6960-no
6961-no

9642-no
9415-no
9419-no

[abouttosnap]

Just an fyi but I have noticed this in regard to 77W the last week on some channels...

In the EPG/Action Required - Press Info

In the Info Bar/To ensure that your DISH service is not interrupted, please call us immediately at 800-*3*-D**H(3*7*)and select option 4 for technical support.

[MAD]

c/p

Ok folks here is the latest update received from DISH on the conversion from QPSK to 8PSK on DISH Networks Western Arc Service (110 - 119)

The following Channel changes are associated with the QPSK to 8PSK upgrade, channels will be converted to 8PSK, those accounts that still have QPSK model receivers can temporarily tune to the interim 4 digit channel in the 6000 range to receive programming, but receivers must be upgraded to 8PSK by July 15 or programming will be lost. Receivers already upgraded to 8PSK can continue to receive programming on the current channel.

Planned Changes:
June 10
CNTRO Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 832 -> 6951
MALL Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 123/220 -> 6952
MARKT Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 221 -> 6953
NEWSX Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 223 -> 6954
RCTV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 224 -> 6955
HSN2 Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 226 -> 6956
FETV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 82/9642 -> 6957
FSTV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 9415 -> 6958
LINK Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 9410 -> 6959
ALIVE Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 219 -> 6960
GEMS Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 229 -> 6961

JUNE 17
FUSE Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 164 -> 6962
EPIX3 Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 164 -> 6963
BEINE Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 873 -> 6964
SUND Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 126 -> 6965

JUNE 24
ESQNT Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 192 -> 6967
BABY1 Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 823/4856 -> 6968
FXDEP Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 855 -> 6969
GAC Satellite Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 156/4676 -> 6071
CNNES Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 859/4856 -> 6971
NTGEO Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 186 -> 6972
HLMRK Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 185 -> 6973
TNICK Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 181 -> 6973
(Please Note: on the list I received it lists both HLMRK and TNICK going to channel 6973 which I believe is a mistake, so from TNICK on the new channel location may be off by one. I am just posting what DISH sent me. Thanks for your understanding!)
SCI Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 193 -> 6974
DISCF Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 179 -> 6975

JULY 8
FOOD Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 110 -> 6976
HGTV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 112 -> 6977
MTV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 160 -> 6978
TRV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 196 -> 6980
IFC Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 133 -> 6980

Many channels will not be dual illuminated, it is hoped that by moving the above channels it will get people to upgrade their equipment to 8PSK compatible by then.

Here is the list of the expected conversion dates to full 8PSK for the following channels (again only on 110 / 119)

July 15
NOTAX, SUND, FUSE, WN, EPIX3, OUTSD, PRST, SEC, BEINE, AACSD, WNATT, WNATI, MALL ALIVE, MARKT, NEWSX, RCTV, HSN2, GEMS, QVC+, REAL, YOUTV, ORDER, CNTRO, DPRMO, LTD8, FSTV, LINK, ATOOL, IAD4, IAD5, DISH, D500, FETV, SPRNG,

July 22
THTRE, MOVIE, INDEP, DRMT4, HOME, FOXB, CCNEW, FSC+. SPORT, ORDER, NTEL, IAD11, IAD12, IAD1, ETC10, FTSYC, FTSYP, TRIGC, SBCVC, VWTP1, VWTP2, NFLRZ, NBATV, ID, AMERI, ZLVNG, ANGL2, CTN, SONY, GOLF, BIG10, UNVSO, TVEI, DSCE, DSFAM, TFMLA, TLHIT, ANGL2, SONY, ULTRA, MOVIE, DRMT3, DRMt5, DRMT9, ECLAS, BEIN, SPMAN, PRIME, SPSOU, CSNCA, SPORT, ONPPV, PSNES, CBBIS, NGMDO, TR3S, MLB, PCSLT, GAMES, PREVW, LMN, AXS, NOTAX, BITV, JTV, KTV, LC, SPORT, ANT3, RTLR, LTD5, DISH, IADM, TGTP, TPSS, ACTVT, GAC, DISCF, TNICK, HLMRK, NTGEO, ESQNT, SCI, FXX, BABY1, BABY, TMDOW, UFORO, FXDEP, CNNES, CINEL, LTD4, DISH, H2, HMM, PIVOT, CHILR, ALJAM, UNIME, UNIMW, ESUSP, EBLK, AZTCA, UNVSW, HITN, PELIC, PCLAS, UDEP, IAD13, IAD3, TEST1, TEST2, TEST3, AZTCA, KFUG, DLSV, DIY, COOK, FYI, CNSSN, TOONW, NATGW, AHC, WHT, MAX-L, EACTN, TENIS, TMNDO, HISTE, ESPND, CCTVE, BYUTV, CBSSN, TMNDO, BYUTV, NHLN, BOOM, NICKT, UP, HBOCY, ACMAX, 5-MAX, SBYND, ENCRW, EWSTN, STRZW, STZC, FXM, FOXS2, SPORT, NHLN, WAPAA, ESPNA, MASN2, ALT, SPORT, NHLA, MLBNA, NBA, NHL, ALT10, ALT12, ALTSC, MLB, PCSLT, SKDL, ETC3, NUDE, CHEAP, PLBYE, PLBY, ASHOW, GIRLS, VIVID, BRAZZ, TEN, RKTV, HUSLR, XTSY, ASHOW.

Another note, you may see channgls listed that you never heard of above, these may be internal testing channels, or data services. Do not be alarmed if you do note get these channels.

[timbuck2]

Charlie switching to 8psk so he can cram in more crappy 1440x1080 channels and call it HD.

[ftanewbie]

so we need to re-scan our channel list on 110 119 to make the switch 8PSK?

[Limon]

Just an fyi but I have noticed this in regard to 77W the last week on some channels...

In the EPG/Action Required - Press Info

In the Info Bar/To ensure that your DISH service is not interrupted, please call us immediately at 800-*3*-D**H(3*7*)and select option 4 for technical support.

I would think this is because all OEM boxes have to have a firmware update to work with the new 110/119 format. Even the HD VIP's have to have the new channel map as some work on the western arc where the changes are taking place.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

LOL did not think my post would lead to this. I declare you both winners.



GS2

[dishuser]

LOL did not think my post would lead to this. I declare you both winners.



GS2
good thing your arcade gives me stress relief...lol

[tubbs]

Is it too late in the IKS game for somebody with no experience to jump in and get his feet wet? personally I wouldn't recommend anybody invest any amount of money at this point in time but that is just my opinion

what do you all think?
I'm not total happy with IPTV.
no recording
and no real high def....

YES some channels say they are streaming @720, But I don't see it. and I have a very good bandwidth throughput here. better than 25MBPS

I would rather keep using my Dreamlink with a 2 hour guide and my Jynxbox with slightly crapper resolution than my Dreamlink.

[Nostradamus]

that is why I prefer running Kodi and not bothering with the IPTV services. i can get the same programming, I can download and save so that I can watch it later and 720 or 1080 res is no problem whatsoever

[timbuck2]

YES some channels say they are streaming @720, But I don't see it. and I have a very good bandwidth throughput here. better than 25MBPS

Your 25Mbps doesn't really matter. The IPTV services broadcast at a rate of a couple Mbps.

What are you trying to watch? If it's tv shows, movies, etc you're better off downloading them from newsgroups/torrents/etc as the quality is much better. The local network chans are broadcast in 4x higher bitrates on OTA than what satellite does.

[abouttosnap]

In regards to the above lists of the changes for June 10...110...tp10...12355 after the rescan of that tp I came up with around 64 chs. total. Out of the lists below I still have failed to find any of these channels viewable...I still over looked a set when scrolling 110 from my read...I may go back and try to find them later. Ones in red failed to scan in.

110-tp10-12355

219
220
221
223
224
226
229
255
269
275

472-HD
818-HD

832

877-HD

988-Promo
6204-Info
9410
9415
9598-Promo in the clear
9642
9644

6951 through 6961

6204 through 6229

[haggis]

Just an fyi but I have noticed this in regard to 77W the last week on some channels...

In the EPG/Action Required - Press Info

In the Info Bar/To ensure that your DISH service is not interrupted, please call us immediately at 800-*3*-D**H(3*7*)and select option 4 for technical support.

Just a thought, on that 800 number, has anyone, tried to call that number, to find out what they have to say/? OF COURSE, someone ??, who has a legitimate ,D, sub. Might be interesting, to hear from the source??

[kutter]

so we need to re-scan our channel list on 110 119 to make the switch 8PSK?

lol ... I see no one wanted to touch this one :)

as you've probably already figured out, it won't help to simply rescan ...

the channels are still there, channel #'s have changed, channels are now flagged as SD 8PSK ... but in reality they are still QPSK (a little trickery on charlies part until they complete the switch over to 8PSK)...

your box will never find the right settings because the channels are flagged wrong intentionally ...

you never know though, some smart kid might be able to figure out how to manually tune them in using the new channel # (provided that someone is still seeding keys)

[Nostradamus]

you never know though, some smart kid might be able to figure out how to manually tune them in using the new channel # (provided that someone is still seeding keys)

that is the real stickler LOL

[tubbs]

that is why I prefer running Kodi and not bothering with the IPTV services. i can get the same programming, I can download and save so that I can watch it later and 720 or 1080 res is no problem whatsoever

Ya, I totally agree with you, but I do like to channel surf and it's hard for me to play a movie on my TV from my computer

[whoknows]

Ya, I totally agree with you, but I do like to channel surf and it's hard for me to play a movie on my TV from my computer

HDMI cables are cheap on flee bay(any length) to run from computer to tv. You only have to turn on mirroring at computer with kodi and as Nos said 720 or 1080 is there for movies new or old and channels with past episodes.

[Limon]

A friend with a Jynxbox and JB200 just re-scanned 119tp15, Epix3 is on there and it now shows up in two locations, ch164 (with cw's ie open) and ch6962 (no cw's). The now/next info on the screen is identical for both. I doubt the server guys will do anything until the transponders change to 8psk as the original channels continue to work for the time being.

Also tp5 and tp7 on sat 119 are 8psk transponders and he continues to get the channels that are available on his server..eg 9420, 9424, 9432,9495. So unless charlie has some other trick up his sleeve I don't see a problem when all of the qpsk transponders make the changeover to 8psk, just give the servers time to reprogram and catch up.

[Nostradamus]

well yeah, that sounds right because that transponder is not making the switchover until next wek. he should try the one that already changed on 110

[abouttosnap]

I'm curios to see if they do the whole tp on the 17th like they did on the 10th...going by the list the really fun and nasty one will be July the 22nd lol.

[Limon]

well yeah, that sounds right because that transponder is not making the switchover until next wek. he should try the one that already changed on 110

Would love to but no 110 here, just 119 and 129. I will check with him next week on a TP change



I'm curios to see if they do the whole tp on the 17th like they did on the 10th...going by the list the really fun and nasty one will be July the 22nd lol.

The quicker the better for me, get it over and done with. Their CS reps are gonna be busy LOL

[TheMaritimer]

my neighbour was able to scan in the new channels no problem -- he has a dreambox and was able to edit the settings as nescessary.

also, his private card-sharing network (not an IKS server) still provides the keys. i reckon as long as the client "asks" the server card correctly, there is no reason why the server card shouldn't be able to return the correct keys, even in a situation where the server box itself may not have scanned the new channels.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

good thing your arcade gives me stress relief...lol


Trying to beat you stressing me out lol.



GS2

[abouttosnap]

Far as I can tell below are all the channels I scanned in for 110 - TP10 - 12355 with my MegaTiv SHD3000 of which none are viewable...scanned in the same channels on my SV360P:

110-tp10-12355

123
219
220
221
223
224
226
229
255
269
275

472-HD

832

988-Promo
6204-Info
9410
9415
9598-Promo in the clear
9642
9644

6205 through 6229

6951 through 6961

4078
4379
4383
4820

[ftanewbie]

i think porn channels have switch to 8PSk.....their all black out:rolleyes:

[abouttosnap]

i think porn channels have switch to 8PSk.....their all black out:rolleyes:

Could be...going by the schedule there are not do to go out till July 22 but maybe things are working out so well they are a head of schedule...guess we will see in time...they are all on one and the same tp.

[abouttosnap]

so we need to re-scan our channel list on 110 119 to make the switch 8PSK?

A person can do what they want but if I had a channel list scanned in for a while I would leave it be...just did a factory reset and rescanned and I'm getting a strange scan now. From my read some of the tp's for example on 129 show Q&S but won't scan in any channels...still in the process of rescanning so not sure how many yet. My Mega is not the fastest when it comes to rescans. I do know that tp 18 12472 on 129 was one that wouldn't scan back in...even with a manual scan on just that tp...came up no channels found.

But it could be on my end...noticed I've a red light blinking on my motor...have to do some investigation to see what is what.

[abouttosnap]

My fault...forgot I threw a switch in the mix a while back and forgot to set in the menu...carry on lol. Ya got to hate that when that happens lol.

[ftanewbie]

My fault...forgot I threw a switch in the mix a while back and forgot to set in the menu...carry on lol. Ya got to hate that when that happens lol.

well PPVs and porn are gone....i dont think their coming back.:no:

[abouttosnap]

well PPVs and porn are gone....i dont think their coming back.:no:

Very good possibility...if they haven't returned by the end of July I would say we can all wave bye-bye to them...of coarse anything can happen...time will tell. After remembering to set my switch up in the menu I went from 285 to 521 chs. on 129...just shows how many channels can be lost by missing to set things correctly.

[Midnight Rider]

well PPVs and porn are gone....i dont think their coming back.:no:

both are still available ,@ the time of this post

526
110 TP 12414, Pol, H, 20000-7/8
V7970
A7971
P7970

528
110,12297 H 20000 7/8

V4386 A4387 P4386


and these 529,530.531,532,533,534,535,and so forth as well as the adults are working

on SD as well as HD receivers

[abouttosnap]

both are still available ,@ the time of this post

526
110 TP 12414, Pol, H, 20000-7/8
V7970
A7971
P7970

528
110,12297 H 20000 7/8

V4386 A4387 P4386


and these 529,530.531,532,533,534,535,and so forth as well as the adults are working

on SD as well as HD receivers

May try some of these later on my sv...just got done doing a rescan on my Mega and don't want to mess around with it lol.

[ftanewbie]

let me rescan and see what happens

[dishuser]

let me rescan and see what happenshurry...can't wait for "your" results

[ftanewbie]

nothing their all black out:noidea:

[abouttosnap]

After a rescan I'm seeing the same as with 77W but now on 110W as follows:

125-NEWS
148-NEWS
204-NEWS
306-NEWS
864-NEWS

In the EPG/Action Required - Press Info

In the Info Bar/To ensure that your DISH service is not interrupted, please call us immediately at 800-*3*-D**H(3*7*)and select option 4 for technical support.

All channels are on tp11 12370 which goes along with the list going down on June 24.

[haha11]

Does anyone know if 118 is also switching over to mpeg4?

[fn59]

Does anyone know if 118 is also switching over to mpeg4?

Yeah, the people from Dishnet know.

[Midnight Rider]

nothing their all black out:noidea: Depends on what server your using,as some servers appear not to have all channels up ATM :)

[ftanewbie]

Depends on what server your using,as some servers appear not to have all channels up ATM :)

makes u wounder if their even paying for does channels now?

[TheMaritimer]

if you're talking about some of the bigger caches, then my guess is 'no', they are not paying for those channels now.

if you're talking about some of the smaller, but more committed, iks servers, than yes, they are certainly paying for those channels. (or an equivelant method of freeing up those CW's, which I will only hint at)

this whole 'end of iks' snafu is about 30% dish's upgrades, 70% cache owners opting to put all their resources into IPTV instead (and from their standpoint, why not, it is marketable to a much larger audience than IKS).

remember when the first turbo8 IRDs came out years ago? that posed a bigger threat to IKS than anything happening now, and yet IKS continued on, and support in the FTA hobby for t8psk hardware followed.

anycast what?

[abouttosnap]

Truthfully I rarely watch the adult channels...most of the time I find out that they are down by folks posting on the board...depending what happens in the next few months I may just go with cable or a legit sub...only watch a hand full a channels anyway that I could count on both hands. Iptv takes the fun out of it for me.

Can't believe what some of these older stb's are going for on fleabay lol...crazy.

[haggis]

I can see what about to//is saying, ref the IPTV, but got the g box going with the kodi, LOTS of stuff on there, as far as channels go, been speaking to people I know, and GENUINE, all this stuff, about sky will fall, seems,at THE MOMENT/// to be just RUMOURS// NOT a thing has happened , ref, SD boxes, AT THE MOMENT, HI, it can happen, but geez, rumours, rumours, //M y thoughts, only my opinion, don't be jumping on me, now, GEEZ, D.,s spies will love this, get an android box// I used to be right into it, way back, now, it is just a bloody nuisance, BUT, the old hands, like myself, mmm/// 18 years of it// time for a change. OOPS, BEFORE I finish this one, I have LOTS of friends on here, and different places, and WILL, keep them, as MY FRIENDS , and you too , about to snap, you do a great job.

[abouttosnap]

Not sure what is going on now...from what I've seen they have only followed the changes for June 10 so far going on what was posted. :noidea:

[ftanewbie]

I can see what about to//is saying, ref the IPTV, but got the g box going with the kodi, LOTS of stuff on there, as far as channels go, been speaking to people I know, and GENUINE, all this stuff, about sky will fall, seems,at THE MOMENT/// to be just RUMOURS// NOT a thing has happened , ref, SD boxes, AT THE MOMENT, HI, it can happen, but geez, rumours, rumours, //M y thoughts, only my opinion, don't be jumping on me, now, GEEZ, D.,s spies will love this, get an android box// I used to be right into it, way back, now, it is just a bloody nuisance, BUT, the old hands, like myself, mmm/// 18 years of it// time for a change. OOPS, BEFORE I finish this one, I have LOTS of friends on here, and different places, and WILL, keep them, as MY FRIENDS , and you too , about to snap, you do a great job.




what does that kodi box gives u for free...is their a channel list to see what it offers?

[haggis]

Hi, FTA., the box, gives you all sorts of movies, TV series, sports, and even live channels, I got myself an HD interior, antennae, to get a few local channels, but, rest of it, is , as I said, all sorts of content. I think, maybe we are in wrong thread, about this, and should go down, to the IPTV, Kodi, section. You will find all sorts of info., in there, from great people, who know, all about this stuff, and are willing to share it, with us. Good Luck.

[tubbs]

I can see what about to//is saying, ref the IPTV, but got the g box going with the kodi, LOTS of stuff on there, as far as channels go, been speaking to people I know, and GENUINE, all this stuff, about sky will fall, seems,at THE MOMENT/// to be just RUMOURS// NOT a thing has happened , ref, SD boxes, AT THE MOMENT, HI, it can happen, but geez, rumours, rumours, //M y thoughts, only my opinion, don't be jumping on me, now, GEEZ, D.,s spies will love this, get an android box// I used to be right into it, way back, now, it is just a bloody nuisance, BUT, the old hands, like myself, mmm/// 18 years of it// time for a change. OOPS, BEFORE I finish this one, I have LOTS of friends on here, and different places, and WILL, keep them, as MY FRIENDS , and you too , about to snap, you do a great job.

What language is this?

[Benney]

What language is this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lktt_DlpsJA

[fonger]

@Benny:google "Robin Williams golf".

woah, that was a lot of swearing :tehe:

[haggis]

Thanks to you two, for , what can I say, letting him know, just where from, Appreciated, and the Robin Williams, fonger, he has a bloody better accent, than I have, but, FUNNY. OH, Just in case the tubbs, does not understand, could one of you, please, interpret for him/her, THANKS.

[Glatt]

I know that the 18% that said yes want to sell their IKS boxes!!

[abouttosnap]

Another fyi...looking at lyngsat they have channels listed as mgeg4 that were not listed there before under 77W...some are listed as the same channel numbers that are found on 110/119. I just don't remember them being listed there a few days ago. Also seem to be having trouble locking a signal on 77W Mexico...been messing with the settings modulation etc. but not locking a signal for some reason. I'm still trying but not sure what to make of it...used to get a real good strong signal on 77W and now nothing. Beginning to wonder if they have changed 77W over...strange.

[Benney]

Thanks to you two, for , what can I say, letting him know, just where from, Appreciated, and the Robin Williams, fonger, he has a bloody better accent, than I have, but, FUNNY. OH, Just in case the tubbs, does not understand, could one of you, please, interpret for him/her, THANKS.

Hahahaha where the devil would you be from with a name like that Bro?

[abouttosnap]

I know that the 18% that said yes want to sell their IKS boxes!!

Still have all of mine...or what you see listed in my sig...they will all work at present. Think the poll was referring to folks getting in the game right now with nothing. SD boxes are still good at present but for how long is the question...as it was years ago as it is now folks just need to do there homework and watch out for the ones that are fos.

[haggis]

OH WELL, the English, thought, haggis was a bird, one foot lower than the other, so it could run around the peaks of mountains, or fly that fast it could fly up its own ass.

[abouttosnap]

77W was on me so carry on...wrong modulation...once I got that right signal was good. Lyngsat is still a mystery.:noidea:

[abouttosnap]

More fyi...the channels now listed on 77W also goes along with what was posted some months ago on some customers being flipped over to the eastern arc...61.5W, 72.7W and 77W...from my read the majority of channels are already on one or another of these sats under mpeg4. Guess we will see later on down the road.

Partial C/P:

Eastern Arc Markets Migration
Existing customers in certain DMAs will be required to upgrade to all MPEG-4 (HD) receivers and have their antenna flipped to the Eastern Arc.
The customer will be upgraded and their antenna flipped at no cost. The customer will also not be required to enter into a new commitment. An upfront cost and a new commitment may be required if a customer requests an upgrade to a Hopper system.
The migrations in the below DMAs must be completed by the end of 2015. Additional DMAs are being migrated on a reactive basis only, but these customers will not be receiving migration letters at this time.



DMA
1
Albany Plus
2
Boston Plus (has Burlington)
3
Buffalo, NY
4
Burlington Plus
5
Burlington, VT/Plattsburg, NY
6
Chattanooga, TN
7
Evansville, IN
8
Jackson, MS
9
Jacksonville, FL/Brunswick, GA
10
Lansing, MI
11
Madison, WI
12
Northeast Portland-Auburn
13
Panama City, FL
14
Portland/Auburn, ME
15
Portland-Auburn Plus
16
Presque Isle, ME
17
Quincy, IL
18
Rockford, IL
19
Springfield, MO
20
Tallahassee, FL
21
Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH

End C/P

[abouttosnap]

Seeing we are down and being a Sunday...be h**l if this was deja vu on black Sunday once again. lol :idea:

[dishuser]

Ahhhhhhh black Sunday....the good ole days.lol
the line up to hu works was unbelievable...lol
was over a city long on service road

[kimd]

Ran acrossed my old burner the other day.....Wonder if I couls sell it as an antique????????
the line up to hu works was unbelievable...lol
was over a city long on service road

[ChillyWilly]

the line up to hu works was unbelievable...lol
was over a city long on service road
Seems like there was also a guy who worked out of a Fort Erie coffee shop.... you could enjoy a cup while your card was being flashed.

[dishuser]

I'm a nostalgic sort of guy.I would be embarrased to tell you how much hardware I still have.lol

I have two 30 gallon totes full...lol
and that doesn't include receivers