Oscar, Golden Boy Promotions,, Holding Up Cotto vs Canelo Matchup (yahoo)

[rudee]

There is absolutely no doubt that the biggest fight that can be made in the sport is Saul Alvarez vs. Miguel Cotto. For all we knew, the fight was all but set for November 21 at a catchweight of 155 pounds as to make it for Cotto’s WBC Middleweight title and both sides were extremely optimistic about the long gestating fight.

It comes as a shock that we actually don’t know as much as we thought, and the fight is dangerously close to not happening despite the progress reported. Word surfaced last week that the fight was just about finalized until a few things “came up” in the negotiations and could compromise the fight once again.

This wouldn’t be the first time Alvarez/Cotto got log-jammed. The two were in negotiations last year but that ended when Cotto walked out on the talks and signed a massive deal with Roc Nation Sports, but why the fight fizzled out then may just be the same reason it might not come to pass now.

That reason is the neurotic handling of the situation by Alvarez’s promoter Oscar De La Hoya, who has not had all the luck in the world since taking over control of Golden Boy Promotions last year. Not only is De La Hoya’s overbearing need to protect Alvarez interfering with making the fight, it is a testament to his quality of work thus far in an active promotional role.

We’ll have to wind the clocks back to last year, when De La Hoya emerged from his latest stint from rehab with a renewed sense of purpose and vision. At the time, Golden Boy Promotions was one of the titans of the industry and only rivaled by Bob Arum’s Top Rank, and was headed by Richard Schaefer running the day-to-day operations of the company.

Golden Boy also retained the services and star-studded roster of Al Haymon, boxing’s most powerful figure, who used the promotion’s services for his clients such as Floyd Mayweather, Danny Garcia and Amir Khan. That all changed when De La Hoya determined that Schafer was undermining him and took legal action to essentially blackball Schaefer out of the sport, leaving him in control of his own for the very first time since it’s inception well over a decade ago.

The anti-Haymon crowd praised De La Hoya for taking what they considered to be a stand against the mogul, but there hasn’t been too much to write home about since his re-acquisition and ascent to power. He failed to secure the services of all of the unsigned fighters that took his company to its highest heights, which in turn led to the creation of the PBC, and many of the backstage people who worked during those years also took off when the new boss showed up.

Worse yet, De La Hoya could have at least tried to maintain a working relationship with Haymon, but instead opted to mend bridges with former boss Arum and formed a partnership that has done…just about nothing since they made nice.

So what does this all have to do with Alvarez/Cotto? The thing is, that the only real thing that Golden Boy has that keeps them as a legitimate force is Alvarez and De La Hoya is needlessly going out of his way to keep that investment safe and sound.

As the negotiations progressed further than it did last year, Golden Boy is apparently adamant about a rematch clause being made in the contract and raising the catchweight from 155 to 157 pounds. In addition to that, they are insisting that the ring color is Golden Boy blue as opposed to Roc Nation’s black.

This isn’t sitting well with Cotto, especially when Roc Nation Sports is allegedly the lead promoter in the fight. While the diva-like demands are expected at this point from the very demanding Cotto, it’s unbelievable that De La Hoya is willing to stand behind such pitiful demands and let the fight go to waste.

Cotto doesn’t exactly need this fight, especially with his aforementioned deal with Roc Nation. He can take his second of three fights on his contract against anybody he wants, under whatever conditions he chooses, and walk away with a minimum of $18 million in his pocket. Alvarez and De La Hoya do not have that luxury, nor do they have the ground to stand on to demand such luxuries.

The lack of promotional savvy at this point isn’t just directed at the misfires of Cotto/Alvarez, just take a look at what is happening a month prior when Gennady Golovkin fights David Lemeiux, another Golden Boy champion. Lemeiux recently won a Middleweight title and could have been used to take advantage of the very receptive Canadian boxing fans, perhaps after a few fluffer defenses could be positioned to fight Alvarez or just continue to establish a presence in the Canadian market.

The rationale for sending him off to certain doom against Golovkin is mind boggling. They are willing to hope for the best in a fight where their fighter is seriously overmatched, but are unwilling to do the same when their other fighter will have every other conceivable advantage against his opponent besides negotiating power.

There is very little doubt that Alvarez will smash Cotto. Cotto does not have a good track record against fighters who are stronger than him or are busier than him, and Alvarez will not be victimized by any catchweight Cotto desires to have in place. Alvarez/Cotto could very well be a repeat of the second half of Cotto’s brutal loss to Antonio Margarito in their legendary first fight.

The only doubt that exists is in the brain of De La Hoya, who has overly invested in the prospect of Alvarez being his star while failing to realize that there is more than one way to get back to the top. Unfortunately for him, he hasn’t been doing this for so long, and he doesn’t know any better.

[Fibroso]

Oscar wants Cotto to do as he pleases, knowing that is Cotto's belt the one jeopardize. He want to do as Arum did with the help of Varcarcel for the Pac fight. He can easily mess up a good fight. I Hope Millie his wife can step in and tell him not to f*ck with Puerto Ricans.

[laker]

Oscar wants Cotto to do as he pleases, knowing that is Cotto's belt the one jeopardize.

He want to do as Arum did with the help of Varcarcel for the Pac fight. He can easily mess up a good fight. I Hope Millie his wife can step in and tell him not to f*ck with Puerto Ricans.

Well Fibroso with all do respect Cotto got wiped out By Paq. his face was falling a part, Cotto can't handle speed or a bigger strong young guys that well, Cotto is a good Welterweight not a great one, he is on his last leg, he is not a true middleweight, I think he should get the biggest fight he can get for the money and call it quits, there are to many good top notch fighters in that division, the Canelo fight makes since even do I think he would loose that, Canelo not a top Middleweight in any shape or form.

If he fought GGG he would get destroyed in less then 4 rounds, but so would Canelo...That division is filled with good young strong fighters that would give Canelo & Cotto big problems.

(La proxima ves que valla a Puerto Rico a visitar a mi familia esta Cubano te va a invitar a tomar unos mojitos)

[Condor]

Well Fibroso with all do respect Cotto got wiped out By Paq. his face was falling a part, Cotto can't handle speed or a bigger strong young guys that well, Cotto is a good Welterweight not a great one, he is on his last leg, he is not a true middleweight, I think he should get the biggest fight he can get for the money and call it quits, there are to many good top notch fighters in that division, the Canelo fight makes since even do I think he would loose that, Canelo not a top Middleweight in any shape or form.

If he fought GGG he would get destroyed in less then 4 rounds, but so would Canelo...That division is filled with good young strong fighters that would give Canelo & Cotto big problems.

(La proxima ves que valla a Puerto Rico a visitar a mi familia esta Cubano te va a invitar a tomar unos mojitos)

Excellent points laker.. As I have stated before I am a huge Cotto fan... But I am first a boxing fan and see the same things you do.......

[Fibroso]

Cotto gave PBF a better fight than Pac, Cotto had NO trainer, no corner and was drained to the bone to defend his 147 pounds belt. He weigh 145 pounds the night before the fight and wasn't allowed to hydrate for the fight, he weight 145 pounds when he walked into the ring. Guess what, he lasted 12 round fighting a question boxer under the influence of PED. He went down but got up and kept fighting. I wish we can see a rematch, in 147 pounds even. Speed can be handle with timing and as of now Miguel is the best boxer out there, since Roach got him. GGG don't draw the $$$ that Miguel does, that's why he's yelling for him, so is Canelo.

[Rokko]

http://i60.tinypic.com/2a4pljc.jpg some of little mannys work cotto quit on his knee kneeguel

[Fibroso]

Cause and effect, a Warrior loses standing up, not completely OUT!!!!:no:

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[Rokko]

manny went down like a man-not a woman

[laker]

In the Marquez fight Manny had Marquez face all busted up, Manny got over aggressive, trying to take Marquez out and Marquez thru a homerun swing and connected, if Marquez does not connect with that homerun swing his face was not going to last 2 more rounds, In several interviews I seen with Marquez he said he would not fight Manny again, there is a reason for that.
Now Cotto got busted up by a smaller man, Cotto could not handle Mannys punching power or speed, like a mention in another post Miguel is a good welterweight not a great one, He is a left hook (one handed fighter) does not know how to throw a right cross, there are 1/2 dozen fighters in the middleweight division that would destroyed Miguel.
Fibroso nothing wrong with having pride from were you are from or supporting your countryman when he fights but don't get blind by that, don't drink to much of the Cotto coolade, as far as he is the best boxer that is a joke, He Better not ever Fight GGG, Cotto would be done in less then 4 rounds....last but not least, I'm a Cotto fan, he comes to fight, but he is very average fighter!.

[rudee]

Amigos,,, I think we are starting to get too personal on these posts. As we did in yesteryear.
Lets just read other people's posts and opinions and post our own... nothing in rebuttal to something
we do not agree with.
The forum is to share thoughts and opinions.. not to demean each other.
Hopefully we keep this thought in mind before posting.
We have lost good members in the past due to insults and hurt feelings. Lets not lose
anymore.
Gracias amigos.

[aquariusone]

Amigos,,, I think we are starting to get too personal on these posts. As we did in yesteryear.
Lets just read other people's posts and opinions and post our own... nothing in rebuttal to something
we do not agree with.
The forum is to share thoughts and opinions.. not to demean each other.
Hopefully we keep this thought in mind before posting.
We have lost good members in the past due to insults and hurt feelings. Lets not lose
anymore.
Gracias amigos.

I agree with you, Rudee!

The original post is about DELA HOYA and the original author's inference that Oscar is incompetent, which I disagree. The writer expresses biased opinion favouring Haymon and Schaefer. His lack of objectiveness spills into his (obviously personal) views about the GOLOVKIN-LEMIEUX match. He also criticizes the reconciliation between Dela Hoya and Arum. Why? And why does he think PBC and ROC Nation are the direct consequences of Dela Hoya's "incompetence"? Now really?
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Also, what is sickening is that he seems to completely disregard Cotto, as if Cotto is merely a punching bag. ("Alvarez will smash Cotto") He also think that the GLOLOVKIN/LEMIEUX match up is "mind boggling". Such idiotic pronouncements could only come from someone with a personal agenda.

If he has done his research, he would discover that it is NOT OSCAR, or GOLDEN BOY, who is causing some sticking points. It is Gary Penagaricano, Cotto's adviser, who is suddenly bringing up issues concerning the rematch clause. Want to read more about this? Check out Los Angeles Times sport section, Tuesday, August 11.

[rudee]

Guys, I apologize if I insulted anyone with my above post..
Apparently I did... I received some pretty insultive pm's from a couple of you.
I was just trying to keep the peace on the forum... Henceforth I shall mind my own
business and let anyone express themselves as they wish.
I will be taking a hiatus from the forum for a bit.

[laker]

Guys, I apologize if I insulted anyone with my above post..
Apparently I did... I received some pretty insultive pm's from a couple of you.
I was just trying to keep the peace on the forum... Henceforth I shall mind my own
business and let anyone express themselves as they wish.
I will be taking a hiatus from the forum for a bit.

Rudee you did not insult anybody, look Boxing fans opinion are all different most of the times, is like talking about politics, you can get in to heated debates with your own Dad.... is all good in fun as longest no vicious name calling is involve to get your point across.

Also in boxing there is allot of politics involve never mind the business part of it witch is even dirtier, De La Hoya is now a business man in the sport of boxing not a fighter, Mayweather is both, I really don't care for the way Mayweather fights but he is a very successful boxer and business man so I take my hat off to him...If Cotto's advisor is holding up the final say in the fight is because he is trying to get the best possible deal for him, that's what they pay him to do, I don't blame Cotto for that after all it is a business first (that's why they call it price fighting & there is a purse involve).

So Rudee don't be taking a hiatus on us, this is the reason why we live in this great country U.S.A. were we can express our thoughts and our opinions!...that is the reason my family got the f..k out of Cuba 49 years ago, no freedom of speech, no human rights!....Express yourself buddy!

[Fibroso]

Fibroso nothing wrong with having pride from were you are from or supporting your countryman when he fights but don't get blind by that, don't drink to much of the Cotto coolade, as far as he is the best boxer that is a joke, He Better not ever Fight GGG, Cotto would be done in less then 4 rounds....last but not least, I'm a Cotto fan, he comes to fight, but he is very average fighter!.

Roach himself said publicly, bring them all, Cotto will beat them one by one. The Dude is a complete athlete, discipline and dedication are his motto. Fights are won in the training camp, Roach knows who Miguel is after watching him train. He had troubles before but that's behind. We had many good boxers from Gomez, Benitez, Escobar, Camacho, Serrano, Trinidad and 60 others.Miguel was born in Rhode Island but he is more Puerto Rican than any of them and just as good. If you consider a 4 times champ in 4 different divisions an average fighter, well I disagree 100%. After Canelo, we can talk about GGG, If Roach wants that fight, Cotto will take him also. G hasn't seen anyone like Cotto in front of him.G can't hit harder than Plastic of Paris. JMO :thumbsup:

[Fibroso]

Guys, I apologize if I insulted anyone with my above post..
Apparently I did... I received some pretty insultive pm's from a couple of you.
I was just trying to keep the peace on the forum... Henceforth I shall mind my own
business and let anyone express themselves as they wish.
I will be taking a hiatus from the forum for a bit.

I will not allowed any member of this forum pm another to insult him, that's a clear violation of the rules.

[Condor]

Amigos,,, I think we are starting to get too personal on these posts. As we did in yesteryear.
Lets just read other people's posts and opinions and post our own... nothing in rebuttal to something
we do not agree with.
The forum is to share thoughts and opinions.. not to demean each other.
Hopefully we keep this thought in mind before posting.
We have lost good members in the past due to insults and hurt feelings. Lets not lose
anymore.
Gracias amigos.
I totally agree amigo Rudee...As far as insulting anyone, well if anyone feels insulted then they must be or feel guilty of something... Lol.. Let's all agree to disagree on some points... If you can't abstain from getting personal then abstain from posting here.. We all "rib" each other sometimes..(I am guilty of that) But it must be done in a friendly way... I love this area of the site and would hate to start sanctioning anyone... Salud my boxing fanatic friends........:cor::cor::cor::cor:

[laker]

Roach himself said publicly, bring them all, Cotto will beat them one by one. The Dude is a complete athlete, discipline and dedication are his motto. Fights are won in the training camp, Roach knows who Miguel is after watching him train. He had troubles before but that's behind. We had many good boxers from Gomez, Benitez, Escobar, Camacho, Serrano, Trinidad and 60 others.Miguel was born in Rhode Island but he is more Puerto Rican than any of them and just as good. If you consider a 4 times champ in 4 different divisions an average fighter, well I disagree 100%. After Canelo, we can talk about GGG, If Roach wants that fight, Cotto will take him also. G hasn't seen anyone like Cotto in front of him.G can't hit harder than Plastic of Paris. JMO :thumbsup:

Oh boy, were do I start on this, Roach is going to say what he needs to say to give his fighter confidence, he is not going to say Miguel is going to get wiped out by GGG....Roach is also a business man, he is making a percentage of Cotto when he fights.
As far as fights are won in the Gym is correct but not in all cases you can take an average fighter trained the hell out of him and throw him in the ring with a bigger better boxer and expect to win..as far as Cotto 4 division champion yes but that does not mean much anymore De la Hoya I think won 6 Division Champ and I don't think he was that great of a fighter also, this guys know a days are pamper thru the divisions, is not like the Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler & John the beast Mogabi days that they would face each other 2 or 3 times for a title. That is why I appreciated Mike Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, GGG, Kauvoluv, Manny, this guys will fight anybody including bigger men, not fight warned out old fighters like De la Hoya & Cotto has done and be spoon-fed a title because he can draw some country man at Madison square garden or Oscar in los Angeles because of the large Mexican-American population.
I have nothing against Cotto, I watch all of his fights, but he is a very average fighter, he should have stayed in the Welterweight division.
I'm a boxing fan first, I leave the coolade in the refrigerator.

[Condor]

Oh boy, were do I start on this, Roach is going to say what he needs to say to give his fighter confidence, he is not going to say Miguel is going to get wiped out by GGG....Roach is also a business man, he is making a percentage of Cotto when he fights.
As far as fights are won in the Gym is correct but not in all cases you can take an average fighter trained the hell out of him and throw him in the ring with a bigger better boxer and expect to win..as far as Cotto 4 division champion yes but that does not mean much anymore De la Hoya I think won 6 Division Champ and I don't think he was that great of a fighter also, this guys know a days are pamper thru the divisions, is not like the Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler & John the beast Mogabi days that they would face each other 2 or 3 times for a title. That is why I appreciated Mike Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, GGG, Kauvoluv, Manny, this guys will fight anybody including bigger men, not fight warned out old fighters like De la Hoya & Cotto has done and be spoon-fed a title because he can draw some country man at Madison square garden or Oscar in los Angeles because of the large Mexican-American population.
I have nothing against Cotto, I watch all of his fights, but he is a very average fighter, he should have stayed in the Welterweight division.
I'm a boxing fan first, I leave the coolade in the refrigerator.

Great points laker... Only thing I disagree is Miguel Cotto is in my view a great Welterweight fighter, Not an average fighter... I do agree that De La Hoya was not a great fighter..Almost every great fighter he fought, he lost... Reminds me of Carlos Palomino where he stayed champion for so many years...Why?? because there was no one out there... Palomino was champ at the right time as now he is a millionaire and enjoying life... (By the way I know him and his family personally and used to run around the streets with him and his brothers when we were all young and wild.. Lol)

[aquariusone]

First of all, welcome to LAKER, a newcomer to this (Boxing) Forum! I have enjoyed reading many of your comments and appreciate that you know your "Boxing 101".

Secondly, may I say this about "expressing personal views/opinions". One principal rule in debates is this: "Attack a statement, opinion, explanation, or position. Never attack the adversary." You will notice this in the courtroom where opposing lawyers conduct stinging rebuttal against each other - but they stick to that rule. They concentrate on strongly objecting to statements made, or destroying evidence presented but they maintain "respect" for their adversary. They stick to facts, not fiction. They make no unsubstantiated "inferences" (such as 'this guy is a cheat, or is on PED'). Such unproven or unsubstantiated comments are worse and smellier than cow's dung.

Thirdly, getting back to the "highly contested" position about Cotto's chances against Canelo (although it is off topic, since the original post is about DELA HOYA alleging to be a terrible businessman/promoter by a biased and opinionated writer who must have a distorted perspective of events), I support and agree with CONDOR's position - on a few counts:

1) That Cotto has a fair chance against CANELO
2) That Cotto is a great Welterweight and not "an average (boxer) fighter"
3) ...and I support his statement: "I love this area of the site and would hate to start sanctioning anyone." (Actually Amigos........may I add that "absolutely no one here" has higher stature than anybody to "sanction" or exact penalty on anyone for "wrong doing". Some may be identified as "moderators" - whose responsibility is to see that "decorum or civility" is observed with respect to rules [of conduct], but they do not tower over us as "judge and punisher". In fact, as Moderators, their behaviour as contributors to this social interaction must be exemplary, and that they must serve as good examples for all of us to emulate. The forum is not a "contest" about who is, or is not a boxing expert, but rather a friendly and animated exchange of opinions - for or against an event, a boxer, or anything related to boxing.)

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Lastly, I strongly agree with LAKER's latest comment in general context, of the problem with boxing these days - which is the absence of boxing pride; of strong boxers not fighting the very best in their division. However, I disagree that Cotto is "an average boxer". I do think that MIGUEL COTTO is assured of his future Boxing Hall of Fame resume.

[laker]

again this is what makes boxing Boxing, how do you explain watching a fight one sided and 1 judge has one fighter up by 6 points and the other judge has the opposite fighter up by 5 with the 3rd judge has the fight even, is all in the be-holders eyes....now back to Cotto if you read a couple of posts ago i stated In my opinion Cotto is a good welterweight (and he should has stayed there)and a average middleweight, will he make the hall of fame probably but so will Oscar and i believe he was a good welterweight not Great anything alls also.
The Boxing Hall of fame is over rated now a days, quite a few fighters are in there that in my opinion should not be there...When i think of hall of fame fighters i think of Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake La Motta, Kid Gavilan, Sunny Liston, Henry Armstrong, Muhammed Ali, Joe Luis, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Arguello, Finito Lopez, on & on, Boxers that would fight 15 rounds, would fight anybody and each others 2 or 3 times for a title... does are the guys that took boxing to were boxing is today (a billion $$ sport) and Todays boxers should kiss this guys asses for the money they are making today with average to above average talent.....I know this is got away from the original post but now that we are here i Need to Express that in my opinion the biggest BUM of all precent day boxers is Chavez junior, i refuse to watch any of his fights!!, Can't make weight, has below average skills, rides on the coat tail of his dad, he was 20-25 pounds heavier then his opponent in has last fight and he sales out allot of his fights...Discussing!

[Rokko]

MIGUEL COTTO VS. CANELO ALVAREZ SET FOR NOVEMBER 21 HBO PAY-PER-VIEW
By Ben Thompson | August 13, 2015


Roc Nation Sports and Golden Boy Promotions have reached a deal that will pit middleweight champion Miguel Cotto and former jr. middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez in a highly-anticipated matchup on November 21. The bout will take place at the Mandalay Bay Event Center in Las Vegas, Nevada and will be televised on HBO Pay-Per-View. Both fighters agreed to face each other at a catchweight of 155 pounds.

Cotto, the reiging WBC middleweight champion, is coming off of an impressive 4th round TKO victory over the usually durable former middleweight champion Daniel Geale. Likewise, Canelo is also fresh off of a spectacular performance, knocking out rugged contender James Kirkland in the 3rd round back in May. Both fighters have almost an identical record, Cotto having stopped 33 of his 44 opponents and Canelo having stopped 32 of his 45 opponents. Although Canelo is nearly 10 years younger, Cotto's experience and his work with Hall of Fame trainer Freddie Roach has him fighting like he did in his 20's. Both fighters have lost to Floyd Mayweather, but many would say that it was Cotto who provided the much more difficult challenge for the undefeated pound-for-pound king. Simply put, this fight is about as evenly matched as they can get, so fans will be in for a treat with both men step into the ring this November.

[Rokko]

PRESS RELEASE FOLLOWS:

NEW YORK (August 13, 2015) – Roc Nation Sports, Golden Boy Promotions, Miguel Cotto Promotions and Canelo Promotions are pleased to announce the highly anticipated clash of two titans in a classic Puerto Rico vs. Mexico battle. On Saturday, Nov. 21, Miguel Cotto (40-4, 33 KOs), the reigning WBC, Ring Magazine and Lineal Middleweight World Champion and the first native of Puerto Rico to become world champion in four different weight classes, and Mexican superstar Canelo Alvarez (45-1-1, 32 KOs), a former WBC and WBA Super Welterweight World Champion will finally meet in the ring at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas for the WBC and Ring Magazine Middleweight World Championship. The championship event will be produced and distributed live by HBO Pay-Per-View beginning at 9:00 p.m. ET/6:00 p.m. PT. …

“I will give the fans the fight they want to see,” said Cotto. “As I have always said, during my whole career, I am here to fight the best names and the best fighters. This will be another chapter in my career and I will be ready for him. Fans will enjoy a real fight, another classic battle in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry.”

“Historically, mega-fights are made because fans demand them,” said Alvarez. “In this case, the fans have spoken out, longing for this fight and it is my pleasure to say that it is finally happening. All fights at this level are very important, but this fight in particular has something more. It will hold a special place in history as part of the big rivalry between Mexico and Puerto Rico, and I promise all the fans that this is going to be an event that will not disappoint.”

“Cotto vs. Canelo is the biggest fight in boxing, period,” said David Itskowitch, COO Boxing of Roc Nation Sports. “Given the fighters’ styles, it has all the makings of a can’t-miss, all-action fight. Couple that with the popularity of both Miguel and Canelo, and you have a true mega-fight that fans have been clamoring for and one that no sports fan should miss. November 21 has all the makings of a fight that will go down in boxing history as one of the greats.”

“This is the ‘Fight of the Year’ that true boxing fans have been waiting for between two of the biggest stars in the sport today, Miguel Cotto and Canelo Alvarez,” said Golden Boy Promotions Chairman and CEO Oscar De La Hoya. “Cotto vs. Canelo will be an epic showdown, full of non-stop action from the moment the first bell rings. This fight is an example of exactly what Golden Boy Promotions does: puts on the best fights between top fighters in the primes of their careers.”

“We are excited to bring the fight that the fans of boxing deserve,” said Hector Soto, Miguel Cotto Promotions vice president. “This will be a real fight. On November 21, the world will witness the biggest fight in the history of Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry.

[Condor]

First of all, welcome to LAKER, a newcomer to this (Boxing) Forum! I have enjoyed reading many of your comments and appreciate that you know your "Boxing 101".

Secondly, may I say this about "expressing personal views/opinions". One principal rule in debates is this: "Attack a statement, opinion, explanation, or position. Never attack the adversary." You will notice this in the courtroom where opposing lawyers conduct stinging rebuttal against each other - but they stick to that rule. They concentrate on strongly objecting to statements made, or destroying evidence presented but they maintain "respect" for their adversary. They stick to facts, not fiction. They make no unsubstantiated "inferences" (such as 'this guy is a cheat, or is on PED'). Such unproven or unsubstantiated comments are worse and smellier than cow's dung.

Thirdly, getting back to the "highly contested" position about Cotto's chances against Canelo (although it is off topic, since the original post is about DELA HOYA alleging to be a terrible businessman/promoter by a biased and opinionated writer who must have a distorted perspective of events), I support and agree with CONDOR's position - on a few counts:

1) That Cotto has a fair chance against CANELO
2) That Cotto is a great Welterweight and not "an average (boxer) fighter"
3) ...and I support his statement: "I love this area of the site and would hate to start sanctioning anyone." (Actually Amigos........may I add that "absolutely no one here" has higher stature than anybody to "sanction" or exact penalty on anyone for "wrong doing". Some may be identified as "moderators" - whose responsibility is to see that "decorum or civility" is observed with respect to rules [of conduct], but they do not tower over us as "judge and punisher". In fact, as Moderators, their behaviour as contributors to this social interaction must be exemplary, and that they must serve as good examples for all of us to emulate. The forum is not a "contest" about who is, or is not a boxing expert, but rather a friendly and animated exchange of opinions - for or against an event, a boxer, or anything related to boxing.)

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Lastly, I strongly agree with LAKER's latest comment in general context, of the problem with boxing these days - which is the absence of boxing pride; of strong boxers not fighting the very best in their division. However, I disagree that Cotto is "an average boxer". I do think that MIGUEL COTTO is assured of his future Boxing Hall of Fame resume.

Woooooo!!! Aqua.. You left me speechless after that... All I can says is....Great thoughts as always... Salud/Cheers to all....... :cor::cor::cor::cor:

[laker]

[QUOTE=aquariusone;1166833]First of all, welcome to LAKER, a newcomer to this (Boxing) Forum! I have enjoyed reading many of your comments and appreciate that you know your "Boxing 101".

Aqua by the way I forgot to thank u for welcoming to the Boxing forum, I appreciate that very much and I enjoy reading everybody's comments!

[Condor]

[QUOTE=aquariusone;1166833]First of all, welcome to LAKER, a newcomer to this (Boxing) Forum! I have enjoyed reading many of your comments and appreciate that you know your "Boxing 101".

Aqua by the way I forgot to thank u for welcoming to the Boxing forum, I appreciate that very much and I enjoy reading everybody's comments!

......And yes I join in welcome aboard Laker... Salud.....:cor::cor::cor:

[aquariusone]

Woooooo!!! Aqua.. You left me speechless after that... All I can says is....Great thoughts as always... Salud/Cheers to all....... :cor::cor::cor::cor:

LOL! This reminds me of an incident about a guy being asked to "speak his mind up". He was "speechless".

Hey, Laker, you are welcome! I think that in due course, you will begin to have a feel at how each of us feel about certain boxers. If we were on a poker table, it would not be too hard to read expressions. Hehehe!

[laker]

[QUOTE=laker;1166971]

......And yes I join in welcome aboard Laker... Salud.....:cor::cor::cor:

Thank u 2 condor, again i appreciated....some interesting fights coming up, lets see what happens!!!

[Fibroso]

If a boxer cheats he is a cheater and if he is accused of using PED and refuses drug testing, what else can you say!
I see nothing wrong with that. Like Calle 13 , se vale to.
You shall see how some members get lost in the wilderness when one of their favorite boxers looses a fight, then they come back after passing the shock.
My record here is pretty good so you'll see me around all the time. Have plenty of satfix buxs to back up any bets.

Laker this is what Kevin Iole thinks of Cotto,


Miguel Cotto (40-4, 33 KOs): Cotto has been a big name ever since he turned pro following the 2000 Olympics. He's known as one of the best and one of the most exciting fighters in the business.

[laker]

If a boxer cheats he is a cheater and if he is accused of using PED and refuses drug testing, what else can you say!
I see nothing wrong with that. Like Calle 13 , se vale to.
You shall see how some members get lost in the wilderness when one of their favorite boxers looses a fight, then they come back after passing the shock.
My record here is pretty good so you'll see me around all the time. Have plenty of satfix buxs to back up any bets.

Laker this is what Kevin Iole thinks of Cotto,

Well i won't argue with the statement Miguel Cotto's fights are exiting, were you will get an argument from me is the Miguel Cotto is a great middleweight....Good, just because one of your favorite fighter looses a fight there is no reason to disappear.

[Rokko]

hey laker-welcome to the forum

[laker]

hey laker-welcome to the forum

Thank so much Rokko....i enjoy everybody's enthusiasm here in the boxing forum!

[Bonzo]

Posted August 15, 2015 - 11:12pmWard could move from behind mic and intro ring

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/media/1003420901%2520NV_LVRJ_WARD.jpg?itok=y-jb1141Undefeated WBA super middleweight champion Andre Ward, right, shown attacking Paul Smith in Oakland, Calif., on June 20, could be fighting on the undercard to the Miguel Cotto-Canelo Alvarez fight at Mandalay Bay Events Center on Nov. 21. ANDREW COULDRIDGE/REUTERS






By Steve Carp
Las Vegas Review-Journal

Andre Ward always has wanted to fight in Las Vegas, but it has yet to happen. Until now, possibly.
The World Boxing Association super middleweight champion from Oakland, Calif., has been mentioned for a fight that would be the co-feature for the Nov. 21 blockbuster at Mandalay Bay between Miguel Cotto and Canelo Alvarez. Ward works for HBO and figures to be in Las Vegas as part of the pay-per-view telecast.
Instead, why not have him fight rather than talk?
David Itskowitch, who runs Roc Nation Sports' boxing division, which promotes Ward (28-0, 15 knockouts), said that possibility is being discussed.
"Nothing is finalized at this point," Itskowitch said Saturday. "We've been talking for several weeks, and we hope to get it done soon."
Ward, 31, returned to the ring from a 19-month layoff after finally freeing himself from his contact with the late Dan Goossen and scored an eighth-round technical knockout over Paul Smith on June 20 at Oracle Arena in Oakland in his first appearance with Roc Nation.
A possible opponent for Ward could be Mexican veteran Marco Antonio Periban (22-3-1, 14 KOs), who has fought as a super middleweight and light heavyweight. So if Ward wants to fight at a catchweight of 168 to 175 pounds, the 30-year-old Periban can accommodate him.
But would Ward, who has been a main-event fighter for years, be willing to play second fiddle to Cotto and Alvarez?
"He would add a lot of cachet to what is already an incredible night," Itskowitch said. "It's a great opportunity for him to fight on a big pay-per-view card that we believe is going to do huge numbers.
"It would be a B-12 shot for Andre's career if he agreed to fight in Vegas."



* SUSPENSIONS — Five boxers were disciplined Thursday by the Nevada Athletic Commission after flunking drug tests.
Junior welterweight John Molina Jr., who tested positive for the diuretic Furosemide on March 7 after his loss to Adrien Broner at the MGM Grand Garden, was suspended seven months and fined $90,000.
Lightweight Ray Beltran, who stopped Takahiro Ao in the second round May 1 at The Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas, then tested positive for the anabolic steroid Stanozolol, was handed a nine-month suspension and $25,500 fine. His win was changed to a no contest.
Junior middleweight Luis Grajeda was placed on temporary suspension pending a disciplinary hearing after he tested positive for Nandrolone after his June 20 loss to Terrell Gauche at the Grand Garden.
Shane Mosley Jr., who competed on the June 27 Big Knockout Boxing card at Mandalay Bay, was suspended seven months and fined $6,250 after testing positive for Adderall. Julian Pollard, who also competed on the BKB card, was temporarily suspended pending a hearing after he tested positive for the stimulant Methylhexanamine.



* FUTURE FIGHTS — The Nevada commission has approved dates for five fight cards in September.
Leading the way is the Sept. 12 show at the MGM Grand, where Floyd Mayweather Jr. will fight Andre Berto on Showtime pay per view. On Sept. 11, Top Rank will host a card at The Cosmopolitan that will be televised by TruTV.
On Sept. 18, there will be competing shows. Banner Promotions will host a card at the D Las Vegas that will be televised on the CBS Sports Network, and Platinum Entertainment will host a card at the Hard Rock Hotel.
On Sept. 29, Mayweather Promotions will host a Premier Boxing Champions card at the Palms that will be televised on Fox Sports 1.