Fleeing the fires in Fort McMurray, Canada......

[chicot60]

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[The Noof]

Got nothing but sympathy for those folk.Catastrophe is an understatement.

[KIDWCKED]

humans can't stand in nature's way

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[KIDWCKED]

Morning dawns on the the widespread devastation in Beacon Hill, where 80 per cent of homes were lost as the Fort McMurray, Alta., wildfire rages. (Sylvain Bascaron/CBC)


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[The Cobra]

Unbelievable devastation...........those poor people, my heart goes out to them.

[The Noof]

If they start a fund of some sort, it would be cool if we started our own little fund drive here.I'm in.

[dishuser]

humans can't stand in nature's way

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sure you can
after all the California fires lately even a dumbass like me has a solution
it's called heavy equipment not water planes
dozers and excavators could stop it from spreading
for a fire to cross the road is cause you didn't take out the trees on other side

[Benney]

If they start a fund of some sort, it would be cool if we started our own little fund drive here.I'm in.





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[Benney]

sure you can
after all the California fires lately even a dumbass like me has a solution
it's called heavy equipment not water planes
dozers and excavators could stop it from spreading
for a fire to cross the road is cause you didn't take out the trees on other side





It's obvious you have never been to this part of the world. 32C for weeks dryer than a fiddlers fart for months and 30 mph winds.
The landscape is full of pine and ceder trees with under brush so dry if you look at it, it burns.
Even the Deer and Elk can't out run this if they get in the wrong place.

Some of these fires have jumped 1/4 of a mile in minutes.

I have been there in the past when this has burned before.

These fire fighters and many others are risking there lives right now just trying to evacuate 80,000 people and you
come out with that.

Sad really Sad!

[Benney]

Why the fire spread so fast and far.

C/P
CROWNING AND SPOTTING Despite deploying helicopters, airplanes and bulldozer crews that cut down trees to create fire guards, the authorities faced flames that spread through crowning and spotting, two types of fast-moving fires.
“The issue with wind and our current conditions is spotting,” Mr. Schmitte told the briefing.
“So, as the fire is burning, with a crown fire, there is always embers and pieces of bark and branches that are coming up in the atmosphere.”
Spotting occurs when sparks, embers or burning debris are blown by the wind and start new blazes, away from direct contact with the main fire.
The fire that jumped over the Athabasca River was a spot fire, Mr. Schmitte said.

Mr. Burnett said he had seen situations where spotting enabled a forest fire to leap eight to 10 kilometres ahead of its main line.

Spot fires are also troublesome when they are near urban areas, he said, because embers ignite rooftops or rain gutters clogged with dead leaves and pine needles.
Crowning, the other problem mentioned by Mr. Schmitte, occurs when the fire spreads from branch to branch through the tree tops.
With crown fires, the flames can sometimes travel faster than a person running on the ground, Mr. Burnett said.
Crown fires are dangerous for firefighting ground crews, who have to pull back and rely solely on water-bomber planes or bucket-carrying helicopters.
THROUGH BLACK SPRUCE (AND ASPEN)
The types of trees in the area also exacerbate the problem.

“We have stands of black spruce, which are very volatile. And we have stands of white spruces intermixed with aspens… Those types of fuel are very challenging,” Mr. Schmitte said.
Black spruce have fine branches and needles, which are more prone to ignite and to be blown away and produce spot fires, according to David Moseley, deputy fire chief at the Lac La Biche District.
Furthermore, “Black spruce more often has continuous branching from ground to crown, providing its own ladder fuel to spread a surface fire to a crown fire,”

[dishuser]

It's obvious you have never been to this part of the world. 32C for weeks dryer than a fiddlers fart for months and 30 mph winds.
The landscape is full of pine and ceder trees with under brush so dry if you look at it, it burns.
Even the Deer and Elk can't out run this if they get in the wrong place.

Some of these fires have jumped 1/4 of a mile in minutes.

I have been there in the past when this has burned before.

These fire fighters and many others are risking there lives right now just trying to evacuate 80,000 people and you
come out with that.

Sad really Sad!never assume where one has been
a high tree with wind and fire will spread
keep it on the ground and easier to battle
by the way just had family fly in this morning from out there who lost everything

[The Noof]

never assume where one has been
a high tree with wind and fire will spread
keep it on the ground and easier to battle
by the way just had family fly in this morning from out there who lost everything


We all assume too much...

[bigbadbrother]

The only two groups of firefighters that can battle this is the CDF and the Russians fire jumpers. put the two together and they can keep it from getting worse. Oh yes it can get much, much worse.

[hutch]

don't forget the Apaches

[dishuser]

The only two groups of firefighters that can battle this is the CDF and the Russians fire jumpers. put the two together and they can keep it from getting worse. Oh yes it can get much, much worse.
it's gonna get much worse with the weather they're getting

[Benney]

Canada evacuating 8,000 wildfire evacuees by air

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The Associated Press

The Canadian Press


May 6, 2016











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This photo provided by Tyler Burgett shows flames from a wildfire along Highway 63 in Fort McMurray, Alberta, Tuesday, May 3, 2016. At least half of the northern Alberta city was ordered evacuated Tuesday as a wildfire whipped by winds engulfed homes and sent ash raining down on residents. (Tyler Burgett via AP) MANDATORY CREDIT
FORT MCMURRAY, Alta. - Canadian officials will start moving thousands of people from work camps north of devastated Fort McMurray in a mass highway convoy Friday morning if it is safe from a massive wildfire raging in Alberta.Officials airlifted 8,000 people on Thursday and will continue the airlift Friday, while a mass migration of cars will move south in the morning.The Alberta provincial government, which declared a state of emergency, said more than 1,100 firefighters, 145 helicopters, 138 pieces of heavy equipment and 22 air tankers were fighting the fire, but Chad Morrison, Alberta's manager of wildfire prevention, said rain is needed."Let me be clear: air tankers are not going to stop this fire," he said. "It is going to continue to push through these dry conditions until we actually get some significant rain."The fire continued to grow, but it is moving away from Fort McMurray and the rate of its growth has slowed. No rain clouds were expected around Fort McMurray until late Saturday, with 40 per cent chance of showers, according to forecasts by Environment Canada.More than 80,000 people have emptied Fort McMurray in the heart of Canada's oil sands, authorities said.About 25,000 evacuees moved north in the hours after Tuesday's mandatory evacuation, where oil sands work camps were converted to house people. But the bulk of the more than 80,000 evacuees fled south to Edmonton and elsewhere, and officials are moving everyone south where they can get better support services.Officials flew 8,000 evacuees to Edmonton and Calgary by Thursday night. They hope the highway will become safe enough on Friday to move the remaining people out via the south. It was not safe Thursday.A helicopter will lead the evacuation convoy on Friday morning to make sure the highway is safe. It will pass through Fort McMurray where the fire has torched 1,600 homes and other buildings.Alberta Premier Rachel Notley said the first convoy will be 400 vehicles and officials would see how that goes.There have been no injuries or death in the province from the fires. Notley said financial support will be provided to Albertans and that cash cards may be made available for evacuated residents.The Alberta government also declared a province-wide fire ban to reduce the risk of more blazes in a province that is very hot and dry.Fort McMurray is surrounded by wilderness and is Canada's main oil sands town. Despite the size of the town and its importance to the Canadian economy, there are essentially only two ways out via car. The region has the third largest reserves of oil in the world behind Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.Aided by high winds, scorching heat and low humidity, the fire grew from 75 square kilometres (29 square miles) Tuesday to 100 square kilometres (38.6 square miles) on Wednesday, but by Thursday it was almost nine times that — at 850 square kilometres (328.2 square miles). That's an area roughly the size of Calgary — Alberta's largest city.Unseasonably hot temperatures combined with dry conditions have transformed the boreal forest in much of Alberta into a tinder box. Morrison said they are investigating the cause of the fire but he said it started in a remote forested area and said it could have been lightning.A combination of factors conspired to make this wildfire especially ferocious, said Bill Patzert, a climatologist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. The El Nino global weather system brought Alberta a mild winter and low snowpack, he said.Patzert said the flames sparked at a time between the snowy season and before springtime rains that turn the landscape green, making the region especially vulnerable to wildfire."In a way, it's a perfect storm," Patzert said. "It's been warm, it's been dry and windy. It's the in-between period before you're in the full bloom of spring."The fire is driving one of the largest evacuations in North America in recent memory, said Bill Stewart, co-director of the University of California's Center for Fire Research and Outreach at the University of California, Berkeley.With few exceptions in the United States, an entire town hasn't been threatened on this scale for more than 100 years, he said."You could add five times the number of firefighters, but you can't get all the embers," he said. "There's no way to put out every ember flying over firefighters' heads."

[fonger]

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by the way just had family fly in this morning from out there who lost everything

sorry DU.. i can't imagine the frustration and sorrow they are going through..

[Condor]

Very sad situation as most of the 80,000 people around there have lost everything... Unfortunately those beautiful long trees up there will generate fire tornadoes which are impossible to stop..No matter whether you make fire breaks with heavy machinery...The fires will jump it.. All we can do is pray that nature (rain) itself cooperates as that may be the only way to stop this.. Pulling for all of you up there......

[1boxman]

Ya ..not sure this is posted here..it is very real and a major tragedy for people that lived there .. and those that are fighting it and recuse . May they all make out safe !!

[bigbadbrother]

Ya ..not sure this is posted here..it is very real and a major tragedy for people that lived there .. and those that are fighting it and recuse . May they all make out safe !!

I agree 100%. Things can be replaced people can't.

[Benney]

Man it was amazing just how fast this fire spread.

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[chad1976]

Yes one bad ass fires.From Jumping rivers to starting 1 mlie away from the first fire.

[dishuser]

so this is how it goes down(and it pisses me off)
the fire starts
for you to get fire bombers in you need to as a city file an application to the feds for financial aid
by that time your city is gone
this sh*t should be federal 24/7

[chicot60]

Looks like a war zone.......

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[chicot60]

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[chicot60]

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[Anubis]

Can someone explain how a no parking sign has such minimal indication of heat, fire or smoke damage when everything else is nothing but charred ruins??????
The pole has very little black on it just below the mid point and that's about it!

[Benney]

Can someone explain how a no parking sign has such minimal indication of heat, fire or smoke damage when everything else is nothing but charred ruins??????
The pole has very little black on it just below the mid point and that's about it!


Yeah really. Just look at the kids bike on the sidewalk. Lawn is burned to the ground and the seat hasn't even melted.

Must be just the way the draft to the fire was blowing and kept the heat off.

[Anubis]

Yeah really. Just look at the kids bike on the sidewalk. Lawn is burned to the ground and the seat hasn't even melted.

Must be just the way the draft to the fire was blowing and kept the heat off.

That's the bike the kid is ridding with their parents who took the picture. :yes:

[Benney]

That's the bike the kid is ridding with their parents who took the picture. :yes:









Wow wonder how they got a kid past the RCMP patrols. Either way if they did they should be shot for bringing a kid there with
all the smoke and chemical fumes.

[Anubis]

Wow wonder how they got a kid past the RCMP patrols. Either way if they did they should be shot for bringing a kid there with
all the smoke and chemical fumes.
Wondering if they were looking for what was left of their home but it looks more like a school maybe? Heck can't really tell what is what in the aftermath.

[jeldf]

2016 and we still can't control nature. Never will.

[bigbadbrother]

How far from the oil sands is it?

[Benney]

25494

Fort McMurry is right in the middle of them.

[Gates07]

maybe the Kock brothers will rebuild their workers homes that burned