Why IPTV providers pulling local channels?

[dvp99ca]

Any idea whats going on first iptv express and now ipguys is following? Also gemtv removing a lot of channels as well

[jazzman]

Fear of copyright infringement?

[dvp99ca]

if that's the case then they pull all those channels whos going to buy iptv then?

[kenkell1]

if that's the case then they pull all those channels whos going to buy iptv then?

eventually...NO one!

[jazzman]

If you do some reading there are many big entertainment companys coming down hard on IPTV as their are currently no laws on the books to prevent it. That doesn't mean there won't be soon...it's only logical that they will fight this to the end as it takes away from their profits...

[dvp99ca]

it was in news paper here in the gta and they want to stop kodi as well lol. Currently there no laws against watching streams so lets see what happens

[Benney]

Kodi is just a program for legit stuff.
Just like your computer. Actually I have a netbook running all I need for TV plus OTA.

[jedi]

Kodi is just a program for legit stuff.
Just like your computer. Actually I have a netbook running all I need for TV plus OTA.

Unless some judge rules that it is really being used to watch illegal content by most people :-)

[kenkell1]

Unless some judge rules that it is really being used to watch illegal content by most people :-)

that would be like saying DVD players should be banned because most dvd players can play illegal dvd copies.....

or ban windows 10 because we could watch illegal content on it as well.

[Terryl]

that would be like saying DVD players should be banned because most dvd players can play illegal dvd copies.....

or ban windows 10 because we could watch illegal content on it as well.

I agree, lets ban windows 10 and go back to XP....Or windows 1.1, that system worked fine also.............................................. .....Sorry..............................My fault.

[c8rbk1ng]

There is no reason to pass laws against Kodi...it's a legitimate program. It's the 3rd party addons by other developers that move the whole streaming video concept into a gray area.

[chad1976]

Canada will band the android box soon.Its all over the internet.

[jedi]

Good luck on trying to enforce that lol

[dishuser]

Canada will band the android box soon.Its all over the internet.
for one it's banned and secondly...lmfao
all over the internet...it must be true:innocent:

[c8rbk1ng]

So is my smart tv and blue ray player going to be banned because I can use these addons on them? I don't think so! Banning a legitimate box that can stream legitimate services like Netflix and Hulu will just bring about countless challenges and lawsuits from the box manufacturers and stream providers.

"It's all over the internet". Really? That's the funniest thing I've heard today! Thank you for that chuckle!

[Benney]

From what I am reading they are going after the boxes that are being advertised as fully loaded for TV and ready so you can cut the cable.

The boxes themselves with Just Android, Linux etc operating systems are perfectly legal.

What is illegal is Apps that are streaming copyright material without the copyright owners permission.

I can't believe that peeps who are paying for these IPTV streams don't realize that it is illegal as IKS and would eventually entail
all the same risks.
But I guess that falls under the: You can fool some of the people ALL the time category.
Your re-sellers by the way keep a folder named that with everyone's info in it.

[dvp99ca]

They are going after kodi as well. There's no law in canada that says that you can get in trouble by simply watching a stream regardless if it's a ppv stream or not or a movie. So what go after the dealers who load kodi with all the apps? Someone with no info how to do it just look up a tutorial on youtube and bingo. It's not all that hard to load kodi with all 3rd party apps

[kenkell1]

They are going after kodi as well. There's no law in canada that says that you can get in trouble by simply watching a stream regardless if it's a ppv stream or not or a movie. So what go after the dealers who load kodi with all the apps? Someone with no info how to do it just look up a tutorial on youtube and bingo. It's not all that hard to load kodi with all 3rd party apps

no one is going after kodi.......it would be an outright waste of time.

[dvp99ca]

It was in the toronto news paper I believe but not sure if I'm allowed to paste in this blog

[kenkell1]

It was in the toronto news paper I believe but not sure if I'm allowed to paste in this blog

Again I will say it would be a waste of time and resources to ever go after kodi for anything.......it would be no different then going after Windows 10 or Internet explorer because you watch illegal crap on that as well.
Kodi is 100% legal.

[chad1976]

Good luck on trying to enforce that lol
They don,t need luck.It,s the federal government..

[chad1976]

for one it's banned and secondly...lmfao
all over the internet...it must be true:innocent:
ok it all in the news paper too. Lmfao

[c8rbk1ng]

It was in the toronto news paper I believe but not sure if I'm allowed to paste in this blog


ok it all in the news paper too. Lmfao

So you guys believe everything that's printed in the newspaper and posted on the internet. I believe that is the funniest thing I've heard today. Once again, thank you for that chuckle!

[jedi]

I'm not a lawyer - but I'm having a hard time trying to see how it is any different if I am watching a recentley released movie on Kodi or if I am watching it on one the the paid IPTV services.
In my opinion whoever is streaming that movie is not doing it with the consent of the copyright owners - so that is illegal and I would think that anyone watching it does not have a legal right to watch it - afterall they did not pay the copyright owners to view it.

Free to Air satellite channels I would think would be fair game - but as we all know there are not many free to air satellite channels available that most of us would watch.

If IPTV guys are streaming their local channels from an OTA I can't see why that is a problem - that is free to everyone that can pick up the signal I thought???
So why are these guys afraid to stream the local channels?

I can see a problem if you are watching Fox Sports Detroit or Fox News or Saturday Night's UFC event - you need a paid subscription to watch those channels. So if you are not paying the Provider I don't think it is legal - seems pretty simple to me - or am I missing something????

[c8rbk1ng]

I'm not a lawyer - but I'm having a hard time trying to see how it is any different if I am watching a recentley released movie on Kodi or if I am watching it on one the the paid IPTV services.
In my opinion whoever is streaming that movie is not doing it with the consent of the copyright owners - so that is illegal and I would think that anyone watching it does not have a legal right to watch it - afterall they did not pay the copyright owners to view it.

There is no difference. These so called 'paid services' (like NFPS or IPGuys, etc.) are not the same as the legit 'paid services' like Netflix, Hulu and the others who do pay the fees. Watching it is not illegal (yet) but streaming it to others like they do is probably illegal. I don't believe there have been any cases yet to say one way or the other. I do know that streaming from the internet is not illegal (again, yet). I've been saying for months these illegal 'paid services' will ruin 'the hobby' just like iks ruined it for plastic and all those who 'subscribe' to their 'service' are unwittingly aiding in the demise of the IPTV streaming. It may take some time but we're witnessing the start of the battle.

[jedi]

Thanks - I agree with you - if you are watching Netflix or Hulu or USTVNow and paying them then I think your are legal and won't have a problem - but those guys don't have the good content that a lot of us want to watch - like the regional sports channels, UFC, NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA etc.
You could probably subscribe to some service that streams all of those channels legally - but it would probably cost a small fortune.

I have never really sat down and tried to figure out where the different Kodi repos grab their channels from or how they finance it - but I doubt if it is some philanthropist doing it out of the goodness of his heart - I would think that somehow someone is paying the bills.
We all now how the paid IPTV services are financing their streams - all their clients pay a small monthly fee to them and they provide the channels.
Neither one of these services are legal as far as I can see - neither the Kodi guys nor the paid IPTV services that are available here are paying the Providers of those channels.

I doubt if the copyright owners or channel Providers care whether it is the so-called free Kodi guys or the paid IPTV services that are ripping them off - either way they are not getting paid and I would think they will go after both IMO.

[c8rbk1ng]

The problem is that peeps are using the wrong terminology when they say Kodi this and Kodi that or talk about IPTV 'services'. IPTV is a protocol for streaming, not a service and Kodi is a Media Center program that points you to the stream content, sort of like the Post Office that receives packages and letters and sorts them so they can be delivered to the right address. This 'hobby' has gotten so easy that no one wants to learn anything about how it works, just want to plug in a box and watch tv. You can tell the intelligence of some of today's 'hobbyist' by the (insert adjective here) questions they ask.

[surfinisfun]

The problem is that peeps are using the wrong terminology when they say Kodi this and Kodi that or talk about IPTV 'services'. IPTV is a protocol for streaming, not a service and Kodi is a Media Center program that points you to the stream content, sort of like the Post Office that receives packages and letters and sorts them so they can be delivered to the right address. This 'hobby' has gotten so easy that no one wants to learn anything about how it works, just want to plug in a box and watch tv. You can tell the intelligence of some of today's 'hobbyist' by the (insert adjective here) questions they ask.

The reason for all this is because the Sat and cable company's don't consider their business being a success unless there shareholders reap double digit returns.

They want to slow down pirates?.....make it affordable for people that are on a fixed income......if not, the party continues and likely gets stronger.

[dishuser]

The reason for all this is because the Sat and cable company's don't consider their business being a success unless there shareholders reap double digit returns.

They want to slow down pirates?.....make it affordable for people that are on a fixed income......if not, the party continues and likely gets stronger.so why no bin for n3 eh bigk?
party is over...time to clean up the yard

[c8rbk1ng]

The reason for all this is because the Sat and cable company's don't consider their business being a success unless there shareholders reap double digit returns.

They want to slow down pirates?.....make it affordable for people that are on a fixed income......if not, the party continues and likely gets stronger.

This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. We all know the reasons why there are 'pirates'. What I'm saying is that today's 'pirate' has no idea how the whole thing works. They toss around terms like Kodi, IPTV, paid services and, my favorite, testing. They never learned how to mod a box or bin file or how to use a jtag (they probably don't even know what that is and what it does), and the sad part to me is that they don't even care to learn about how their particular system works. They just want to plug in a box and have instant tv and because of this the money hungry opportunists will advertise their 'preloaded' boxes and their "paid service' and the party will eventually come to an end when laws are passed to make even the present legal aspect illegal.

[Khan]

it was in news paper here in the gta and they want to stop kodi as well lol. Currently there no laws against watching streams so lets see what happens

When you say "they" you really should be saying Bell and Roger's are whining about it. Just like when Bell called anyone that uses a VPN to get US Netflix a thief, even when the CEO's own daughter was doing it without her (CEO is her mom) knowledge.

[jedi]

Being illegal does not mean it is going away any time soon.
There are probably a lot of guys that would still like to read and learn - but there is not much out there to read and learn anymore.

They could still learn how to jtag a BEV receiver without a big investment and set up a small card server for their family and friends - but the newer guys wouldn't know what we are talking about.
Back in our day every forum was talking about such things and the older guys were teaching the newer guys how to do it - I don't see that in any of the forums I visit anymore.

Any of us can learn how to configure Kodi - but that's not the root issue - I think if it was available a lot would be willing to learn how to encode content from live and recorded feeds and to stream it to others. What good is Kodi Media Centre without the illegal streams?
When you have 10,000 or more people that know how to encode and stream the content - then IMO that is going to be hard to shut down. They may try to make the decoder boxes illegal and stop their import - but something tells me that people will find a way to mod the legal boxes to decode the illegal streams :-)

There are a lot of people that know how to find illegal streams floating around on the internet for free - but they are no better than other free TVers - they are all takers and not givers. If they also knew how to encode and stream content to feed the system - then IMO they are not free TVers but are sharing in the effort - they are not leaches.

[dishuser]

Being illegal does not mean it is going away any time soon.
There are probably a lot of guys that would still like to read and learn - but there is not much out there to read and learn anymore.

They could still learn how to jtag a BEV receiver without a big investment and set up a small card server for their family and friends - but the newer guys wouldn't know what we are talking about.
Back in our day every forum was talking about such things and the older guys were teaching the newer guys how to do it - I don't see that in any of the forums I visit anymore.

Any of us can learn how to configure Kodi - but that's not the root issue - I think if it was available a lot would be willing to learn how to encode content from live and recorded feeds and to stream it to others. What good is Kodi Media Centre without the illegal streams?
When you have 10,000 or more people that know how to encode and stream the content - then IMO that is going to be hard to shut down. They may try to make the decoder boxes illegal and stop their import - but something tells me that people will find a way to mod the legal boxes to decode the illegal streams :-)

There are a lot of people that know how to find illegal streams floating around on the internet for free - but they are no better than other free TVers - they are all takers and not givers. If they also knew how to encode and stream content to feed the system - then IMO they are not free TVers but are sharing in the effort - they are not leaches.

as with torrents I stream back

[jedi]

Good point DU - I haven't used torrents for years - but when I did I always shared.
I think back when I was doing it there was an incentive for sharing - faster downloads maybe or access to more downloads???
That may be a good sort of platform to follow for anyone looking to start a sharing community for IPTV live streams.

I wasn't aware there were people already sharing their IPTV streams - is it underground?

[c8rbk1ng]

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I wasn't aware there were people already sharing their IPTV streams - is it underground?

What did you think IPTV was all about? (Until the money mongers got involved)

[jedi]

What did you think IPTV was all about? (Until the money mongers got involved)

Thanks for the reply c8rbk1ng - but I don't think that has answered my implied question - where are people sharing live IPTV streams - I must be a dummy because I haven't seen it yet.
I agree IPTV should be about a sharing community where I may have a few live IPTV streams that I have encoded and willing to share with others - in exchange for channels that other "like thinkers" have available to share.
Is all this sharing that you are talking about going on - deep underground - that nobody knows about? Maybe it is there but I'm just not looking in the right places - because so far all I have found is a few guys sharing some downloaded streams that somebody else did.

I don't know what money mongers has to do with all of this - from what I have seen there are a few guys that have put up some big money to stream channels that a lot of us like to watch - I don't mind that at all - there may be people out there that don't care to set up an encoder and stream live IPTV channels to others to share - they would prefer to pay others to do that for them.

Maybe I am wrong - but I think you are saying there is a community of IPTV sharers out there that are willing to share their streams to everyone for free? If that is the case - where do we sign up?

I would think that they would get tired of all the leaches taking from them and never giving anything back and eventually they will want something in return?
From what I have read it will cost at least $200 to encode and stream 1 live channel to others - so if I am a good business person and I am streaming one live channel to others I am going to want something in return - is that not common sense???

[TLG]

After the spreading of those demand letters of recent years , it seams that people are less
forthcoming with "help information" on how too; for fear of getting discovered by the lurking
badges on this and other sites.

I don't blame them really ,, I have been told that "seize and desist" warnings have been sent to
some admins on some sites

I too am puzzled by the available content on kodi and it's providers ,,, my thoughts on the matter,
Kodi won't be free for too much longer ......

no one !! invests, neither time nor money for nothing in return ,,,

[Highwayman]

After the spreading of those demand letters of recent years , it seams that people are less
forthcoming with "help information" on how too; for fear of getting discovered by the lurking
badges on this and other sites.

I don't blame them really ,, I have been told that "seize and desist" warnings have been sent to
some admins on some sites

I too am puzzled by the available content on kodi and it's providers ,,, my thoughts on the matter,
Kodi won't be free for too much longer ......

no one !! invests, neither time nor money for nothing in return ,,,

That is one problem the others are the forever changing formatting of iptv and in Europe
where they are more advanced in iptv than we are it is a competition often a secret one
because of the veiwing limitations of iptv.There are many ways to get live and recorded
streams and many tools and methods to get them and yes i dont see any of that here in the U.S.
Stalker sites ban you from posting how to`s from fears of sharing their pay services.If satfix were to open
a how to get iptv section it would take months to train members.The latest way to get live tv is hacking
into subscribed services with password generators an example
http://37.187.175.177:8000/get.php?username=0919&password=0919&type=m3u

http://212.47.248.157:2300/get.php?username=star7arab&password=star7arab&type=m3u&output=mpegts

If you take one of the stream links in the code bar and enter it into VLC`s "Open network stream"
allow stream to play then in VLC`s menu bar at the top click "view" then "playlist" you will see the channels that are available highlite one channel and do a right click now click information down at the bottom you will see the channels raw link form.These are .ts streams and will only play a few seconds because they are limited to the subscriber but if you have kodi and F4m tester and livestreamspro installed you can watch these streams most of them anyway you need to enter the raw steam link into either one of the two.Time for a hamburger too much work!

[jedi]

Thanks Highwayman - I tried it and it worked great. Was that a live feed I was watching - or a recorded event?
Great post.
When you say guys are hacking into subscribed services - do you mean services such as IPGuys and IPTVExpress?
Are they getting access to the original streams so that they can feed it to their own IPTV server - or are they just watching a channel themselves without paying IPGuys or IPTVExpress?

Are there any sites anywhere with information on how to get IPTV streams and how to encode and stream live content?

If people can learn how to encode and stream their own live sources and share it with others - then for some there wouldn't be a need for paid IPTV services and you wouldn't have to rely on some Kodi repo that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. I assume that most of the Kodi live TV is stolen from some paid service and is not original content.
I guess if you are sharing with others - there will be some that will steal the signal and not share - but there may be ways to secure it??

IMO there will always be a need for paid IPTV services - there will be a lot of people that don't want to or unable to share a stream.

[Highwayman]

Thanks Highwayman - I tried it and it worked great. Was that a live feed I was watching - or a recorded event?
Great post.
When you say guys are hacking into subscribed services - do you mean services such as IPGuys and IPTVExpress?
Are they getting access to the original streams so that they can feed it to their own IPTV server - or are they just watching a channel themselves without paying IPGuys or IPTVExpress?

Are there any sites anywhere with information on how to get IPTV streams and how to encode and stream live content?

If people can learn how to encode and stream their own live sources and share it with others - then for some there wouldn't be a need for paid IPTV services and you wouldn't have to rely on some Kodi repo that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. I assume that most of the Kodi live TV is stolen from some paid service and is not original content.
I guess if you are sharing with others - there will be some that will steal the signal and not share - but there may be ways to secure it??

IMO there will always be a need for paid IPTV services - there will be a lot of people that don't want to or unable to share a stream.

Yes they are live except of course the vod`s they end with the extension .mkv also note that they are from different countries AR for Arabic Uk United Kingdom It Italian and so on.Now if you take the ip address of the
links in code example
http://212.47.248.157:2300paste it to your browser you will see the host log in screen.

I personally dont know of the iptv providers you mentioned but the others like Stalker rocket iks666 are being watched for free and not always from someones fly by night addon lol.

Yeah sure you can re-share on your own server. Xtream codes used to hand out demos of their iptv panel
which worked good all you do is snoop out the stream link to a channel and paste it to the panel and it doesnt
need to be from a donation lol but could be...

Encoding a stream is still around
Streamlive .tois a good place to start you will see at the sites menu bar "broadcasting" instructions are there you will need Adobe`s Flash Media Encoder **Free** You can use vlc or your dvr or your fta box whatever you wish.

Not a bad idea if everyone here streamed a channel we would have a nice iptv line-up but you need a good setup and know how for Quality streams.

There are hundreds of the links in code around as i said before they are .ts streams and will only play
a few seconds but if you find one(subscribers ip) thats in your ip range it will last awhile and play normally but it takes work!Otherwise use the Kodi method.

Answer to the op`s post the Dmca was probably summons by the locals. Normally at present time if you run a channel you have 180 days without copyright infringement anymore than that you or your site may get a notice or a Dmca take down.

[Condor]

Thanks for the reply c8rbk1ng - but I don't think that has answered my implied question - where are people sharing live IPTV streams - I must be a dummy because I haven't seen it yet.
I agree IPTV should be about a sharing community where I may have a few live IPTV streams that I have encoded and willing to share with others - in exchange for channels that other "like thinkers" have available to share.
Is all this sharing that you are talking about going on - deep underground - that nobody knows about? Maybe it is there but I'm just not looking in the right places - because so far all I have found is a few guys sharing some downloaded streams that somebody else did.

I don't know what money mongers has to do with all of this - from what I have seen there are a few guys that have put up some big money to stream channels that a lot of us like to watch - I don't mind that at all - there may be people out there that don't care to set up an encoder and stream live IPTV channels to others to share - they would prefer to pay others to do that for them.

Maybe I am wrong - but I think you are saying there is a community of IPTV sharers out there that are willing to share their streams to everyone for free? If that is the case - where do we sign up?

I would think that they would get tired of all the leaches taking from them and never giving anything back and eventually they will want something in return?
From what I have read it will cost at least $200 to encode and stream 1 live channel to others - so if I am a good business person and I am streaming one live channel to others I am going to want something in return - is that not common sense???

Very simply stated jedi... Now a days they it "Leeching"... Lol..

[jedi]

Yes they are live except of course the vod`s they end with the extension .mkv also note that they are from different countries AR for Arabic Uk United Kingdom It Italian and so on.Now if you take the ip address of the
links in code example
http://212.47.248.157:2300paste it to your browser you will see the host log in screen.

I personally dont know of the iptv providers you mentioned but the others like Stalker rocket iks666 are being watched for free and not always from someones fly by night addon lol.

Yeah sure you can re-share on your own server. Xtream codes used to hand out demos of their iptv panel
which worked good all you do is snoop out the stream link to a channel and paste it to the panel and it doesnt
need to be from a donation lol but could be...

Encoding a stream is still around
Streamlive .tois a good place to start you will see at the sites menu bar "broadcasting" instructions are there you will need Adobe`s Flash Media Encoder **Free** You can use vlc or your dvr or your fta box whatever you wish.

Not a bad idea if everyone here streamed a channel we would have a nice iptv line-up but you need a good setup and know how for Quality streams.

There are hundreds of the links in code around as i said before they are .ts streams and will only play
a few seconds but if you find one(subscribers ip) thats in your ip range it will last awhile and play normally but it takes work!Otherwise use the Kodi method.

Answer to the op`s post the Dmca was probably summons by the locals. Normally at present time if you run a channel you have 180 days without copyright infringement anymore than that you or your site may get a notice or a Dmca take down.

Excellent posts Highwayman - you must be a teacher or an instructor somewhere - where can I sign up for a class? :-)

I'm guessing that the days of the big super IPTV servers that have everything will eventually come to an end. I hear that they are tracking the the big boys by checking bandwidth usage on the big fibre pipes - if you are a big user they want to know what you are using it for - if you don't show them they shut you down - unless you are a recognized big shot corporation :-)

So if they are checking for large bandwidth usage they will have to break it down into smaller units streaming to the masses and use something like Raton's FSLB or Bowman's CSP to balance the load and manage who gets access - except now it will be IPTV streams instead of IKS keys.

If we can get 1000 guys sharing 1 original channel (not a stolen stream that you have no control over) and if there is a software program to manage it then IMO that is a tough one for them to beat.