Payment Options

[bigbro]

I am hesitant to purchase any services, using the new payment options now offered. Any advise, suggestions and how to's, would be appreciated.

[nobodyspecial]

I am hesitant to purchase any services, using the new payment options now offered. Any advise, suggestions and how to's, would be appreciated.

?? some sellers only accept bitcoin and vanilla mastercard

[The Noof]

Bitcoin is as safe as it gets, I guess.If your iks provider gets busted, you can get ratted out anyways, so what difference does it really make?lol

[bigbro]

I liked Paypal. Mastercard was also a descent choice. Not sure about payment sites based in Russia and elsewhere in the world. Guess I'm just old time.

[johnnylarue]

If you live in a big urban area, search for a bitcoin ATM. It takes about 1 minute to install a bitcoin wallet on your phone, another minute to add money to your wallet using an ATM, and another minute to pay your donation by bitcoin wallet.

[bigbro]

Much as I hate to do it, I may need to try Bitcoin. Any clear and detailed instructions here, on how to get started?

[nobodyspecial]

Much as I hate to do it, I may need to try Bitcoin. Any clear and detailed instructions here, on how to get started?

make sure your reseller uses bitcoin first,vanilla mastercard is much simpler if you can

[bigbro]

make sure your reseller uses bitcoin first,vanilla mastercard is much simpler if you can

Yes, I agree. Would much rather use Vanilla Mastercard. That does not appear to be an option. Just checking into other payment options, though I may just move on.

[skater]

for me....


Go to
coinbase.com*
make an account…..link a credit card
buy coins

send to my address its at torwallet.com

there i receive it on and i get it anonymized
then send to me*
there were both safer
it hides where it came from

[bigbro]

for me....


Go to
coinbase.com*
make an account…..link a credit card
buy coins

send to my address its at torwallet.com

there i receive it on and i get it anonymized
then send to me*
there were both safer
it hides where it came from

Thanks, but I am looking for South service.

[jazmine]

Why does it say$923.27 bitcoin price? Can I not only buy Like $50.00?
for me....


Go to
coinbase.com*
make an account…..link a credit card
buy coins

send to my address its at torwallet.com

there i receive it on and i get it anonymized
then send to me*
there were both safer
it hides where it came from

[bigbro]

Why does it say$923.27 bitcoin price? Can I not only buy Like $50.00?

If 1 bitcoin is $923.27. To buy $50.00 worth of bitcoins you would buy .055 bitcoins. Or something like that, as I understand it.

[question0]

Who accepts vanilla MasterCard?

[bigbro]

Who accepts vanilla MasterCard?

I guess no one. I found someone who will still take PP.

[Mr Hanky]

Don't use PP.What server are you after.

[jedi]

It is harder to open a Bitcoin account with fake ID and try to fund it - but it is relatively easy to open a Bitcoin account with your true ID and fund it with a credit card or link it to a Bank account. That way you can buy Bitcoins instantly and get them into your account.
Once you have Bitcoins in your real account you can open another Bitcoin account using fake ID and info - it is hard to get funds into this fake account using credit cards or a Bank account - BUT you can send Bitcoins from your real account to your fake account that is relatively untraceable. It will take 20 or 30 minutes for the system to verify and confirm the transaction - but once it does you have immediate access to them and can buy your IPTV or IKS services with this fake Bitcoin account.

By using Bitcoins you are making it safer for yourself and the people you are buying the service from. The Providers (Dishnet DTV BEV and cable companies) can buy IPTV and IKS services using credit cards and then trace it back to the people they paid.
If they trace it back to them and find them they could be coerced into helping the Providers and turn over all their customers' info (including IP addresses) in exchange for being more lenient on them in the Statement of Claim against them.

[mrpink]

It is harder to open a Bitcoin account with fake ID and try to fund it - but it is relatively easy to open a Bitcoin account with your true ID and fund it with a credit card or link it to a Bank account. That way you can buy Bitcoins instantly and get them into your account.
Once you have Bitcoins in your real account you can open another Bitcoin account using fake ID and info - it is hard to get funds into this fake account using credit cards or a Bank account - BUT you can send Bitcoins from your real account to your fake account that is relatively untraceable. It will take 20 or 30 minutes for the system to verify and confirm the transaction - but once it does you have immediate access to them and can buy your IPTV or IKS services with this fake Bitcoin account.

By using Bitcoins you are making it safer for yourself and the people you are buying the service from. The Providers (Dishnet DTV BEV and cable companies) can buy IPTV and IKS services using credit cards and then trace it back to the people they paid.
If they trace it back to them and find them they could be coerced into helping the Providers and turn over all their customers' info (including IP addresses) in exchange for being more lenient on them in the Statement of Claim against them.

If a provider is able to break a reseller or owner and gain the ip address list, it makes no difference if a pre paid cc or bitcoin is used. So the statement that using bitcoins is safer, isnt really the case.

[The Noof]

If a provider is able to break a reseller or owner and gain the ip address list, it makes no difference if a pre paid cc or bitcoin is used. So the statement that using bitcoins is safer, isnt really the case.

I've been saying this for years.Safe payment only slightly reduces your risk:the iks providers log files will still betray you.

[johnnylarue]

If a provider is able to break a reseller or owner and gain the ip address list, it makes no difference if a pre paid cc or bitcoin is used. So the statement that using bitcoins is safer, isnt really the case.

Have there been any cases where an IP address has been used in court in an IKS case? I have never heard of one. If you are doing IKS, you should using a VPN anyway. For 3 or 4 bucks/mo, it is worth it.

[The Noof]

Have there been any cases where an IP address has been used in court in an IKS case? I have never heard of one. If you are doing IKS, you should using a VPN anyway. For 3 or 4 bucks/mo, it is worth it.

I've heard of more than 1 instance when the i.p. logs have been used by DN to pursue their demand letters...many are settled out of court anyways, so weather or not the i.p.logs are used as evidence is irrelevant if it never makes it to court.

[johnnylarue]

I've heard of more than 1 instance when the i.p. logs have been used by DN to pursue their demand letters...many are settled out of court anyways, so weather or not the i.p.logs are used as evidence is irrelevant if it never makes it to court.

I'd bet that DIK had both payment evidence and IP logs in those demand letter cases. IP logs alone would be a tough sell in court because of the whole "someone was ripping off my wifi" defence.

[mrpink]

Have there been any cases where an IP address has been used in court in an IKS case? I have never heard of one. If you are doing IKS, you should using a VPN anyway. For 3 or 4 bucks/mo, it is worth it.
My point was that there is no difference between bitcoins and pre paid cc's as per the original quote I responded to

[MFTV]

here are just 2 ways to be as safe as you can be
1. use a bitcoin hardware wallet like a trezor and whenever you want to send or recv bitcoins just go to your local starbucks and use there wifi for the transaction.

2. buy a pre-paid phone and use a wallet of your choice. since that phone has no ones name tied there is no one to contact. just make sure your not at home when do a transaction

and if anyone wants to send me a tip my bitcoin address is at the bottom of every of my post;)

[Sharky718]

what service do you all recommend for south?

[jedi]

If a provider is able to break a reseller or owner and gain the ip address list, it makes no difference if a pre paid cc or bitcoin is used. So the statement that using bitcoins is safer, isnt really the case.

The resellers that will only accept Bitcoins is going to be harder for the Providers to catch. The Providers can't use a credit card to pay for the IKS/IPTV service that they can use to trace back to the reseller and then to the guys running the server.
I know a few personally and have heard that there are a lot of resellers have been caught because they used credit cards and PayPal accounts to accept payments. I can not think of anyway that the Providers could trace a Bitcoin payment back to the resellers or server operators if it is set up properly.

[jedi]

I've heard of more than 1 instance when the i.p. logs have been used by DN to pursue their demand letters...many are settled out of court anyways, so weather or not the i.p.logs are used as evidence is irrelevant if it never makes it to court.

Why make it easier for the Providers to get to the IP logs in the first place - if everyone used Bitcoins instead of PayPal or credit card it is hard for the Providers to find the wheareabouts of the resellers and then follow it up the ladder to find the server operators.
The resellers should also be paying the server operators in Bitcoins also to add a layer of protection. If they bust a careless reseller that accepted credit cards then they can't follow the Bitcoin payment transaction to nab the servers and get to the IP logs.

[jedi]

My point was that there is no difference between bitcoins and pre paid cc's as per the original quote I responded to

If I pay a reseller using a credit card, that reseller has to get that money from my credit card somehow. They can use it to pay some bills or use it to fund their PayPal or something - but they have to use those funds somehow and that leaves a trail.
I can log into the credit card I used to see who that money went to. Let's say they deposited it into an online gambling account or something - then I (or the Providers if they were the ones that sent the payment) could claim fraud or something and pursue it and see who owned that gambling account or PayPal or wherever that money ended up.
Some of these resellers are dealing with large sums of money so at some point they are going to have to use someones real ID to get the money out. If you are dealing with more than $100 or so then the online gambling site, or PayPal or Bank is going to want you to provide some real identification, name, address, etc. that they can verify. Nowadays with terrorist threats and money laundering it is pretty tough to use fake ID if you are dealing with larger sums of money.

If you do have a fake PayPal or Bank account you run the risk of them seizing your account if there is a complaint.

With Bitcoins I can open up a Bitcoin account with fake ID within 2 minutes and if I use a proxy, VPN or the prepaid phone idea that MFTV suggested I can not see how anyone (other than some government agency) could trace any payment I sent from there back to me - and if they can't get to me they can't get to the reseller by following the money flow. If they can't get to the reseller - then they can't get to the server operators - if they can't get to the server operators then they can't get the IP logs - if they can't get to the server IP logs then they can't get my IP address (whether it is a faked proxy/VPN address or it is my real address).

The Providers may have other investigative ways to get to the resellers and server operators - by why make it easy for them by following the money flow.

[mrpink]

If I pay a reseller using a credit card, that reseller has to get that money from my credit card somehow. They can use it to pay some bills or use it to fund their PayPal or something - but they have to use those funds somehow and that leaves a trail.
I can log into the credit card I used to see who that money went to. Let's say they deposited it into an online gambling account or something - then I (or the Providers if they were the ones that sent the payment) could claim fraud or something and pursue it and see who owned that gambling account or PayPal or wherever that money ended up.
Some of these resellers are dealing with large sums of money so at some point they are going to have to use someones real ID to get the money out. If you are dealing with more than $100 or so then the online gambling site, or PayPal or Bank is going to want you to provide some real identification, name, address, etc. that they can verify. Nowadays with terrorist threats and money laundering it is pretty tough to use fake ID if you are dealing with larger sums of money.

If you do have a fake PayPal or Bank account you run the risk of them seizing your account if there is a complaint.

With Bitcoins I can open up a Bitcoin account with fake ID within 2 minutes and if I use a proxy, VPN or the prepaid phone idea that MFTV suggested I can not see how anyone (other than some government agency) could trace any payment I sent from there back to me - and if they can't get to me they can't get to the reseller by following the money flow. If they can't get to the reseller - then they can't get to the server operators - if they can't get to the server operators then they can't get the IP logs - if they can't get to the server IP logs then they can't get my IP address (whether it is a faked proxy/VPN address or it is my real address).

The Providers may have other investigative ways to get to the resellers and server operators - by why make it easy for them by following the money flow.
What part of pre paid credit card did you not understand? You head to a store, you pay cash for a card, and forward the info to the reseller. There is NO information about the buyer tied to the card. Therefore, there is no difference between bitcoins and the pre paid card. If anything, the pre paid is even more anonymous when paying cash because there is nothing tieing them to it.

[jedi]

What part of pre paid credit card did you not understand? You head to a store, you pay cash for a card, and forward the info to the reseller. There is NO information about the buyer tied to the card. Therefore, there is no difference between bitcoins and the pre paid card. If anything, the pre paid is even more anonymous when paying cash because there is nothing tieing them to it.

You are correct - there is no immediate difference to the buyer of the service - but there could be a very real problem for this buyer later on if the Providers can track him (the reseller or server operator) down.

Any reseller that accepts credit cards or PayPal payments from anyone (some of them I am sure are going to be the Providers' investigators) are exposing themselves and potentially all of their clients and the server operators to unnecessary problems.
If the reseller and server operators only accept Bitcoins it is virtually impossible for the Providers to follow the flow of the money and track them down. If they can't find the resellers and servers then that is protecting the end users - their clients.

If a reseller and/or server operator accepts credit cards or PayPal payments they are exposing themselves and everyone involved - including the end users - to problems. The Providers can make a payment or several payments to these resellers and/or server operators using credit cards and follow this money trail right to the reseller and server operators. If they find the identity of the server operators then they grab the server logs and get all their clients IP addresses.

My point is why make it so easy for the Providers to track them down - when there is a very easy and safe alternative - Bitcoins. It is virtually impossible for the Providers to track down the sender and/or receiver of the Bitcoins.

It may seem easier and more convenient for the end user to run to the store and grab a prepaid credit card and use that - but the resellers and server operators that accept these payments are exposing you the end user to unnecessary risks. They may not be able to find you because you used a prepaid credit card - but if they accepted a payment from you - then that means they have already accepted several credit card payments from the Providers' investigators. These investigators own those credit cards and can see who the money went to and can use that info to track them down. If they track them down and find the servers then your IP address is in the logs.

If you have ever made a credit card payment to anyone - just think how easy it is for you to see where the money went - all the transaction info is right there for you to see. If you don't know who it is you call your credit card company and ask them to track down who these people are because you don't remember making the payment - so you need their contact info. So just a simple end user can get quite a bit of info from the credit card company. Just think how much more info the professional investigators can get.

The resellers and server operators that only accept Bitcoins are protecting themselves - so that no one can follow the money trail to locate them - if the Providers can't find them then that is protecting their end users.
The people that accept credit cards and PayPal payments are asking for trouble - the Providers can send money to them and follow the money trail to track them down and ultimately get the server logs and find all end user IP addresses.
So Bitcoins are clearly a better choice.

[bigbro]

Don't use PP.What server are you after.

Any offering South.