IKS is dead

[buckeye144]

lets face it here people, IKS is done. there really is no point in complaining about it. no one gives solid answers, all they say is to wait, go IPTV, or get a SUB. all indicators point to they dont want to deal with IKS anymore and focus on IPTV. so for all you out there that cant use IPTV thank your provider for the free money and remind them you wont be renewing anymore. maybe just maybe if enough people dont renew they will realize their mistake. one thing is for sure i wont be renewing till IKS comes back. for the one claiming to have IKS working their just a bunch of scammers trying to take peoples money so dont deal with them. if the head's dont have it working no one under them does either.

[dukeathome]

lets face it here people, IKS is done. there really is no point in complaining about it. no one gives solid answers, all they say is to wait, go IPTV, or get a SUB. all indicators point to they dont want to deal with IKS anymore and focus on IPTV. so for all you out there that cant use IPTV thank your provider for the free money and remind them you wont be renewing anymore. maybe just maybe if enough people dont renew they will realize their mistake. one thing is for sure i wont be renewing till IKS comes back. for the one claiming to have IKS working their just a bunch of scammers trying to take peoples money so dont deal with them. if the head's dont have it working no one under them does either.

You sure about that?

[tbird686]

my 2 cents...........they way i heard it ran well for north is they have to buy old receivers and get the cards for them then activate to an account then if they got an ecm the card was no good then they had to look for more old receivers to do it again ..........how long can that last for

north dose not get many ecms

but south on the other hand when they get hit loose a card you need to get new cards and then get them activated again ........its not like you can call your service provider ever week asking to activate a new receiver again and again........before they catch on

then you say well how many do you need and how many accounts to just avoid this well im guessing 10 or 20?
so one account can have 5 then i guess a group needs to get more sub account and keep them hooked up to stop the loosing of the cards

in the end its all about money and cost

so yes if you have unlimited internet move to iptv if not........you have to live with the ecms or find a smaller iks group maybe you will be up longer


im sure there is more to it then that but thats what i saw back when i used it.

iptv is using dick not charlie so they are up more

[buckeye144]

im very sure about all of it. no one can prove they have a working south server. i wont go for anything unless i see proof that it works, in not a free money bank.

[surfinisfun]

Time.... past time to get rid of the dishes anyway.

With all the online digital options. using a dish is yesterday and the providers know it.

[nobodyspecial]

lets face it here people, IKS is done. there really is no point in complaining about it. no one gives solid answers, all they say is to wait, go IPTV, or get a SUB. all indicators point to they dont want to deal with IKS anymore and focus on IPTV. so for all you out there that cant use IPTV thank your provider for the free money and remind them you wont be renewing anymore. maybe just maybe if enough people dont renew they will realize their mistake. one thing is for sure i wont be renewing till IKS comes back. for the one claiming to have IKS working their just a bunch of scammers trying to take peoples money so dont deal with them. if the head's dont have it working no one under them does either.

unless you can prove the one selling is a scammer you should keep quiet There are posts saying its working

[buckeye144]

unless you can prove the one selling is a scammer you should keep quiet There are posts saying its working

first ammendment says i can say whatever i feel. dont like it, tough. ban my account, not like i really care.

[nobodyspecial]

you are not in the usa

[lionking]

unless you can prove the one selling is a scammer you should keep quiet There are posts saying its working

I agree with nobodyspecial

[dishuser]

my 2 cents...........they way i heard it ran well for north is they have to buy old receivers and get the cards for them then activate to an account then if they got an ecm the card was no good then they had to look for more old receivers to do it again ..........how long can that last for

north dose not get many ecms

but south on the other hand when they get hit loose a card you need to get new cards and then get them activated again ........its not like you can call your service provider ever week asking to activate a new receiver again and again........before they catch on

then you say well how many do you need and how many accounts to just avoid this well im guessing 10 or 20?
so one account can have 5 then i guess a group needs to get more sub account and keep them hooked up to stop the loosing of the cards

in the end its all about money and cost

so yes if you have unlimited internet move to iptv if not........you have to live with the ecms or find a smaller iks group maybe you will be up longer


im sure there is more to it then that but thats what i saw back when i used it.

iptv is using dick not charlie so they are up more
dick is charlie...lol
you must mean dave

[dishuser]

first ammendment says i can say whatever i feel. dont like it, tough. ban my account, not like i really care.

we know
that's why you created this new account to bitch
you do know both accounts can be removed right?lol

[NoName]

Time.... past time to get rid of the dishes anyway.

With all the online digital options. using a dish is yesterday and the providers know it.

I'll take dishes over iptv.....pvr and pic quality

[Radio]

Yes there is 1 service that is up and was kinda alone...they had 2 parts a standard and a plus the standard is gone but the plus is up the 2 are different on the standard the channel lineup was the same as all the other services out there but the plus had some chans up the standard didn't have and some down that were up on standard.

[tutumx]

Well RX iks Is up

[dishuser]

I'll take dishes over iptv.....pvr and pic quality
iptv is close to ota in quality
have pvr as well

[jedi]

Buying new receivers and cards and activating them is just part of the problem - you can no longer activate the old 301 receivers in continental USA that were easy to jTag to pull the keys to use for IKS. You'll have to use something like the 311 receivers and desolder the BGA chips from the motherboard, put them in a special programmer to read the keys and then solder them back onto the motherboard. The programmer is not cheap and the skill level to desolder, reball and resolder the BGA chips is advanced level and only a few people do it.
To buy a new receiver and card with the keys pulled is about $200 to $250 - so if you have 20 cards (that will do about 400 channels) you are looking at $4000. Dish kills the cards at least once a month and sometimes two times or on occasion 3 times - so just the cards and receivers alone is a monthly investment of $4000 to $12,000. O top of that you have the monthly programming subscription for the receivers - you will need 3 or 4 accounts for that many cards/receivers so that is another $1000 or more monthly if you buy some PPVs and adult channels. Then you have the expense of a VPN server and you better have DDOS protection on it and one or more backup servers ready to go.

After a card kill (I'm guessing it is still on Tuesdays around 2:00 PM) - all of those receivers/cards are worthless and have to be replaced. The better IKS services probably have some backup cards and receivers already to go - but if they stick these new cards back into the cards servers right away they have to worry about another card hit. The replacement card may work for a day or two and then all of a sudden - WHACK - it is also killed. So you pull it out and put in another backup replacement card and you pray that there isn't a third card hit that month.

After a card hit you may see only a few channels working - that is because they don't want to replace every card right away and have them killed. They are waiting to see if there is a second or third card hit - or they may not have backup cards/receivers on hand and have to buy more.

The better IKS servers use ECM/EMM feeders to keep the cards updated and to fill the cache with the control words - so you are going to need some Dreamboxes/DreamLinks and dishes for that.

You will need one or two guys to babysit the servers and feeders to check for leachers and to make sure the cache is running smoothly.

Then you have to put up with the whiners who can't understand why their receiver seems to be down all the time.

After getting hit month after month and spending thousands of dollars I can see why some of these south IKS guys are calling it quits.

If you don't like Bell IKS or can't get the Bell signal in your area - and if IKS is your only option because of internet requirements for IPTV - then you better have the patience of Job. You know you are going to be down every month for at least 2 or 3 days or even longer.
If you don't have the patience then Dish account sharing may be a better option for you.

[riverman]

"If you don't have the patience then Dish account sharing may be a better option for you". Correct me if I am wrong but aren't Dish fully capable of asking for the Location ids on accounts that have multiple receivers. A wrong answer gets a rather large bill.

[whooper16]

lets face it here people, IKS is done. there really is no point in complaining about it. no one gives solid answers, all they say is to wait, go IPTV, or get a SUB. all indicators point to they dont want to deal with IKS anymore and focus on IPTV. so for all you out there that cant use IPTV thank your provider for the free money and remind them you wont be renewing anymore. maybe just maybe if enough people dont renew they will realize their mistake. one thing is for sure i wont be renewing till IKS comes back. for the one claiming to have IKS working their just a bunch of scammers trying to take peoples money so dont deal with them. if the head's dont have it working no one under them does either.

When u were busy typing this in I was watching tv

[tbird686]

lets face it here people, IKS is done. there really is no point in complaining about it. no one gives solid answers, all they say is to wait, go IPTV, or get a SUB. all indicators point to they dont want to deal with IKS anymore and focus on IPTV. so for all you out there that cant use IPTV thank your provider for the free money and remind them you wont be renewing anymore. maybe just maybe if enough people dont renew they will realize their mistake. one thing is for sure i wont be renewing till IKS comes back. for the one claiming to have IKS working their just a bunch of scammers trying to take peoples money so dont deal with them. if the head's dont have it working no one under them does either.




i think when in doubt buy 3 or 6 months at a time...........then its not as much as a loss if it went down

[jedi]

"If you don't have the patience then Dish account sharing may be a better option for you". Correct me if I am wrong but aren't Dish fully capable of asking for the Location ids on accounts that have multiple receivers. A wrong answer gets a rather large bill.

You are correct - they sometimes do location checks and it can be a pretty scary ordeal as they use gastapo like tactics during their call - they will generally leave you alone if you have 6 or fewer receivers on an account.

They don't send you a large bill - they will just reduce the number of receivers on your account to one receiver until you can satify to them that all receivers are in the same location.
They may want you to send them a utility bill showing the name and address of receiver location - that's not so easy to do if you just made up a name address for the dish account.

[tutumx]

IKS is not about patience or not is about lots of pp don't have the internet needed to use the IPTV for them there are no choice.

[jedi]

Very bad information

It's not real

Do you mind pointing out what part is "very bad information" and "not real". I haven't done IKS for over a year now but was quite familiar with large 30 card setups. I can't believe there have been some major new advances made in IKS - if there was you would think the service would be getting better and not worse.

Maybe you have developed your own unique card server software that does not get hit monthly - I thought I read reports that your IKS service goes down occasionally - but maybe I am mistaken.
Maybe Raton has released some new CS software that only you possess?

Maybe you somehow figured out a way to pull more than 20 control words from a single card without causing delays - is that the bad info.

Maybe you are using easily jTagged 301 receivers as they can probably still be activated in offshore locations like Puerto Rico - but for the most part guys that I know are using 311s.

Maybe you don't use ECM/EMM feeders - is that the bad information I gave???

Maybe you don't babysit your card servers, FSLB/CSP load balancer or check for leachers - is that the bad info I gave?

Maybe the price of replacement cards/receivers is not $200/$250 - is that the bad info?

Maybe they don't do the card hits on Tuesdays now - is that the very bad info I gave?

Maybe your service is so good that you don't have any whiners or complainers - is that the very bad info?

Maybe after a card hit your service is back to 100% instantly and does not take a few days to get back to 100% - is that the very bad info I gave. If that is the case then I sincerely apologize to you for defaming your good name.

I love to learn new things - so please help me understand what "very bad" info I gave that is "not real".
You will not only be helping me - you'll be helping all IKS users understand how IKS works.

[jedi]

We have service for a long time, with the new configurations

We only ask to ban or expel suspicious people

Doesn't your load balancer show you who the cheaters are? FSLB will show you how many channels a client receiver is pulling the control words for and shows the number of connects and reconnects for each receiver. It also shows you if they are sitting on a particular channel all day and trying to fill their own cache. It will also show you the IP address for each client - so if you see more than 5 receivers connecting from the same IP then they are probably just filling their own IKS cache. The new FSLB will also block cache forwarding in case you are selling your cache to other IKS dealers.

So why do you have to rely on suspicion to ban or expel people - you can show them the proof that they are cheating. I hear some reports of people being automatically banned by IKS services. If the load balancer bans them it is a pretty easy task to pull the log files and show them why they are banned. They may have a good explanation or maybe the load balancer made a bad decision to ban them.

Why not contact these people and show them why they are under investigation and give them an opportunity to explain.

Just banning someone for being suspicious without showing them any proof or explanation - is just bad business in my opinion.

[harry3456]

Yup you can set it up to immediately drop the IP's in question forcing them to contact you. Lots of things can look like a reshare though, but may not actually be one.

Good, pretty accurate info in this thread so far.

[caretaker69]

I agree with JEDI but no if no iks no iptv use fta people. powervu has most channels u need just not ppv.

[haha11]

iptv is close to ota in quality
have pvr as well

And the delay?

[dishuser]

And the delay?
about the same as sat

[haha11]

about the same as sat
I don't believe that. Name the server that has less than 30sec delay.

[dishuser]

I don't believe that. Name the server that has less than 30sec delay.ok2
I can compare several channels against ota

[chad1976]

Well RX iks Is up

They are down .It lasted 3 days of being up.

[dishuser]

ok2
I can compare several channels against otajust checked again on a couple of channels and it's about 15 seconds behind

[buckeye144]

I have a question for jedi since you have a lot of knowledge on how the systems work. you say that once a month the ECM kills cards/receivers and they all have to be replaced. how come these cards are affected by the ECM since they are legit subscribing cards? im guessing a normal subbed users card is not affected by ECM and they have no idea that such a thing even exists. i dont understand how legit subbed cards used for IKS are affected by ECM if normal subbed cards are not affected by ECM. i dont think charlie sends people new receivers and cards every month because of ECM. not trying to be a dick but im just curious as to why one is affected but the other is not.

[nobodyspecial]

just checked again on a couple of channels and it's about 15 seconds behind

some are more ,ctv east was over 30 when i checked but most are under 20

[surfinisfun]

I have a question for jedi since you have a lot of knowledge on how the systems work. you say that once a month the ECM kills cards/receivers and they all have to be replaced. how come these cards are affected by the ECM since they are legit subscribing cards? im guessing a normal subbed users card is not affected by ECM and they have no idea that such a thing even exists. i dont understand how legit subbed cards used for IKS are affected by ECM if normal subbed cards are not affected by ECM. i dont think charlie sends people new receivers and cards every month because of ECM. not trying to be a dick but im just curious as to why one is affected but the other is not.

I'm not jedi but it seems an easy answer, they look for to many cw's requested and go from there.

[buckeye144]

I'm not jedi but it seems an easy answer, they look for to many cw's requested and go from there.

ohhhh, so your saying that charlie can check the receiver to see how many CW's where requested in a period of time? im guessing they do this over an internet connection to the legit receiver. i know that the video/picture is a one way communication from the sat so they cant really check through a sat connection. if its over an internet connection that they check CW's what do they do about people who dont have internet to connect to their IRD or do they require the sub to have internet before they will allow service? just learning because i would just not put the IRD online so they cant check for CW's but charlie will probably call complaining that they cant check or "update" your IRD because they cant see it.

[sunfire]

I don’t think what is going on with the new iks is a ecm it looks to me like a ddos attack from somewhere cause server is down ecm don’t take servers down just cards etc

[haha11]

just checked again on a couple of channels and it's about 15 seconds behind
i still don't believe it, but i ll check it out.
Thx

[dishuser]

ohhhh, so your saying that charlie can check the receiver to see how many CW's where requested in a period of time? im guessing they do this over an internet connection to the legit receiver. i know that the video/picture is a one way communication from the sat so they cant really check through a sat connection. if its over an internet connection that they check CW's what do they do about people who dont have internet to connect to their IRD or do they require the sub to have internet before they will allow service? just learning because i would just not put the IRD online so they cant check for CW's but charlie will probably call complaining that they cant check or "update" your IRD because they cant see it.the requests are done thru sat connection so no internet required

[johnnylarue]

i still don't believe it, but i ll check it out.
Thx

They h264 transcode the streams, so there will always be a delay.

[buckeye144]

the requests are done thru sat connection so no internet required

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. so i saying that its a downlink only isnt true. there is an uplink as well. its really impressive that they can manipulate specific cards and IRD's when broadcasting from the sat to all of north america. this is something i had no idea was even happening or possible.

[dishuser]

They h264 transcode the streams, so there will always be a delay.
just like there's a delay of about 5 seconds with sat

[surfinisfun]

Internet connection ? , no they will look at card cw's requests period.

[buckeye144]

Internet connection ? , no they will look at card cw's requests period.

what i wanted to know is how they can even see the cards CW requests. from what i read and was told is the sat connection is downlink only.

[camaro]

IKS is dead!

Iks was dead 4 years ago if you read all the rumours. It was dead last year and the year before and the year before that lollll...

[surfinisfun]

What your thinking is that DN or any other provider could see data on there cards if they are connected to the internet only.?

That is absolutely false, like i said, CW's requested which is......as you can imagine, monitored by the provider and in bedded on cards.

[buckeye144]

What your thinking is that DN or any other provider could see data on there cards if they are connected to the internet only.?

That is absolutely false, like i said, CW's requested which is......as you can imagine, monitored by the provider and in bedded on cards.im thinking that they can see their hardware in your house. it doesnt make sense that they can target a specific user or see what the users equipment has done over the sat if there is no uplink to the sat.

[whooper16]

Just checking posts during commercial break

[surfinisfun]

im thinking that they can see their hardware in your house. it doesnt make sense that they can target a specific user or see what the users equipment has done over the sat if there is no uplink to the sat.

I'm not talking about equipment,hardware or specific user......They track...... when they want,cw's requested and if flags are raised they go after those cards, i really don't understand what you don't get, its really not complicated.

[buckeye144]

I'm not talking about equipment,hardware or specific user......They track...... when they want,cw's requested and if flags are raised they go after those cards, i really don't understand what you don't get, its really not complicated.

what i dont get his how they they track the CW's requested. how do they know this? where does this information come from? there is no communication to the IRD's and there is no uplink from the IRD to the sat. they dont get the CW requests through telepathy.

[buckeye144]

accidently hit post twice, sorry.

[surfinisfun]

what i dont get his how they they track the CW's requested. how do they know this? where does this information come from? there is no communication to the IRD's and there is no uplink from the IRD to the sat. they dont get the CW requests through telepathy.

its there card and there chip, I'm guessing they don't want you to know.lol

[jedi]

I have a question for jedi since you have a lot of knowledge on how the systems work. you say that once a month the ECM kills cards/receivers and they all have to be replaced. how come these cards are affected by the ECM since they are legit subscribing cards? im guessing a normal subbed users card is not affected by ECM and they have no idea that such a thing even exists. i dont understand how legit subbed cards used for IKS are affected by ECM if normal subbed cards are not affected by ECM. i dont think charlie sends people new receivers and cards every month because of ECM. not trying to be a dick but im just curious as to why one is affected but the other is not.

Good question buckeye - that is the million dollar question.
nob0dy knows exactly why the legit cards that are in card servers are being killed - if someone can solve that problem they would be a very rich person.

There are a lot of guesses as to why the legit cards in a genuine receiver are not killed - but then if you put them in a card server such as a DreamBox they are killed.

Some people think it has something to do with the number of control words that the card is processing - there could be an internal counter register in the card that is counting the number of control words being processed over a certain period of time and if it exceeds a certain limit the card is killed.

I don't think that is the what they are doing.
We tried putting a card in a card server that would only process the control words for one channel and it would still get killed. For a long time we used to have a card dedicated to only processing control words for Detroit locals and it would last for 4 or 5 months without being killed - but then something changed and they started getting killed on a regular basis.

Some think that Signal Integrity is sending out some sort of query inside the ECMs that is asking specific info about the receiver that the card is married to - since the card is not inserted into the married receiver the DreamBox or card server can not answer the query and so it is flagged to be destroyed during the next card kill.

That are a lot of different ways that Signal Integrity could be using to kill the cards - but as far as I know no one has figured out how to stop them from killing the cards.

[jedi]

what i dont get his how they they track the CW's requested. how do they know this? where does this information come from? there is no communication to the IRD's and there is no uplink from the IRD to the sat. they dont get the CW requests through telepathy.

Signal Integrity does not know how many control words a specific card is processing or what channels are being watched - but the card knows. Signal Integrity can send information to any or all cards via the satellite signal to change the code inside the card.

They do this when you make a payment on your account - they let the card know that a payment has been made and they will add an extra month to your service. If you don't make the payment then the card will stop processing control words on your expiry date. It is just one way communication - but that is all they need - they don't care what you were watching when they shut you down - they just sent an instruction to shut receiver ID XXXXXXXX down on such and such a date.

They could also send a command to every card via satellite to count the control words being processed or check a certain register in the receiver's firmware - if the card doesn't get the correct answer then it is instructed to more less self destruct.
No information is being sent back to Dishnet - it is all inside the card and the card makes the decision to shut itself down.

[jedi]

what i dont get his how they they track the CW's requested. how do they know this? where does this information come from? there is no communication to the IRD's and there is no uplink from the IRD to the sat. they dont get the CW requests through telepathy.

Dishnet is not sitting in their office doing control word counts or any other snooping inside the card - that is impossible - the card could do the control word counting itself - if the count is too high there could be instructions in the programming of the card to kill itself. IMO the control word count is not the card kill trigger - but the card is doing some sort of monitoring of itself or the receiver and if it gets the wrong answer - it kills itself.

[buckeye144]

Dishnet is not sitting in their office doing control word counts or any other snooping inside the card - that is impossible - the card could do the control word counting itself - if the count is too high there could be instructions in the programming of the card to kill itself. IMO the control word count is not the card kill trigger - but the card is doing some sort of monitoring of itself or the receiver and if it gets the wrong answer - it kills itself.thank you jedi, you answered my questions perfectly. you could say the cards have a pre defined counter in them how much the average user would request CW's from it and an IKS server exceeds this counter by leaps and bounds so at ECM time all cards are essentially told to compare actual count to the pre defined counter and if its exceeded self destruct. with the self destruction it pretty much takes the IRD with it since the card and the IRD are married and one will not function without the other. if thats it than it totally makes sense that they would put some sort of self destruct if code hidden in it. it seems to me that the guys running this are electronics hardware people and not electronics software people because all of the solutions seem to be more hardware oriented and not so much software. why i think this is because i know a couple general hardcore programmers and they could care less about soldering and doing hardware related tasks, they only want to write code, do math and crunch numbers. those guys are nuts lol. i also know a few guys who are strictly hardware to the point that one of them actually has a tattoo of a 486DX motherboard also insane.

[jedi]

thank you jedi, you answered my questions perfectly. you could say the cards have a pre defined counter in them how much the average user would request CW's from it and an IKS server exceeds this counter by leaps and bounds so at ECM time all cards are essentially told to compare actual count to the pre defined counter and if its exceeded self destruct. with the self destruction it pretty much takes the IRD with it since the card and the IRD are married and one will not function without the other. if thats it than it totally makes sense that they would put some sort of self destruct if code hidden in it. it seems to me that the guys running this are electronics hardware people and not electronics software people because all of the solutions seem to be more hardware oriented and not so much software. why i think this is because i know a couple general hardcore programmers and they could care less about soldering and doing hardware related tasks, they only want to write code, do math and crunch numbers. those guys are nuts lol. i also know a few guys who are strictly hardware to the point that one of them actually has a tattoo of a 486DX motherboard also insane.

Yeh - a dump of a card would be nice to give them software gurus something to work with.

[nob0dy]

deleted posts ? two correct ?

[whooper16]

Time.... past time to get rid of the dishes anyway.

With all the online digital options. using a dish is yesterday and the providers know it.
What about the ppl that can't get unlimited internet.iptv isn't worth it

[nob0dy]

<~ can't see powerfta's posts ........ none of them in this thread ......were they deleted ?

[dishuser]

<~ can't see powerfta's posts ........ none of them in this thread ......were they deleted ?

he must have deleted them
too bad they were quoted...lol

[jazzman]

Yes, he deleted them himself.

[jedi]

Hmmmm.......... I wonder why he deleted them????

[jets]

My friends theory next door is...

They are using a clock pulse that the card only see in a true sub, not in a dream box. What he thinks is it not in the stream at all but an internal pulse the sub generates over the other internal connection to the card (not data from stream). Not sure what are the pins to the card but if it was a slow clock pulse and a counter in the card, if the check sum was not equal after some time the card shuts down.


Good question buckeye - that is the million dollar question.
nob0dy knows exactly why the legit cards that are in card servers are being killed - if someone can solve that problem they would be a very rich person.

There are a lot of guesses as to why the legit cards in a genuine receiver are not killed - but then if you put them in a card server such as a DreamBox they are killed.

Some people think it has something to do with the number of control words that the card is processing - there could be an internal counter register in the card that is counting the number of control words being processed over a certain period of time and if it exceeds a certain limit the card is killed.

I don't think that is the what they are doing.
We tried putting a card in a card server that would only process the control words for one channel and it would still get killed. For a long time we used to have a card dedicated to only processing control words for Detroit locals and it would last for 4 or 5 months without being killed - but then something changed and they started getting killed on a regular basis.

Some think that Signal Integrity is sending out some sort of query inside the ECMs that is asking specific info about the receiver that the card is married to - since the card is not inserted into the married receiver the DreamBox or card server can not answer the query and so it is flagged to be destroyed during the next card kill.

That are a lot of different ways that Signal Integrity could be using to kill the cards - but as far as I know no one has figured out how to stop them from killing the cards.

[jedi]

My friends theory next door is...

They are using a clock pulse that the card only see in a true sub, not in a dream box. What he thinks is it not in the stream at all but an internal pulse the sub generates over the other internal connection to the card (not data from stream). Not sure what are the pins to the card but if it was a slow clock pulse and a counter in the card, if the check sum was not equal after some time the card shuts down.

I've heard a similar theory like that before and it makes sense.

I was a member of an underground site that has since closed - but they had a lot of very good card coders and hardware guys as members. One guy in there was a genius code writer and also knew the hardware end of it as well - a lot of people thought it should be easy to stop the card kills - but he came up with some simple things that Dish could do to kill the cards in card servers - such as different timing issues, code registers/location and so on that the card could be looking for. Maybe the card is requesting the location ID of the receiver - that is something that a DreamBox could not answer.

[kenkell1]

I gave up on Iks quite some time ago. IPTV really is a whole lot better and who really gives a crap if there is a 10 or 15 second delay? Hell my telus optic has a delay which is iptv.
Not even worth the time or effort anymore messing with iks.
I have a 33 inch movable dish with a Invacom Quad lnb and Viewsat Max receiver collecting dust in my shop that will most likely never be used again.

[nob0dy]

I gave up on Iks quite some time ago. IPTV really is a whole lot better and who really gives a crap if there is a 10 or 15 second delay? Hell my telus optic has a delay which is iptv.
Not even worth the time or effort anymore messing with iks.
I have a 33 inch movable dish with a Invacom Quad lnb and Viewsat Max receiver collecting dust in my shop that will most likely never be used again.

it's all about the service my friend .....

[booter]

Not everyone can have high speed unlimited internet.

[nob0dy]

Not everyone can have high speed unlimited internet.

true ...... not all of us want to pay for it either ....... these F ers force me to pay 120 a month ...... its a scam

[crazy carl]

true ...... not all of us want to pay for it either ....... these F ers force me to pay 120 a month ...... its a scam

120 a month woosh it's not even that much in the great white North

[Hani]

120 a month woosh it's not even that much in the great white North

Try watching IPTV for a while with a Rogers Hub and see what your bill is in a couple of days LOL......

[nob0dy]

120 a month woosh it's not even that much in the great white North

they keep up N the price ....... eg: 45 ..... 55 ...... 65.. 75 .... eg over the years .......

[haha11]

just checked again on a couple of channels and it's about 15 seconds behind

I gave it a try with sat running side by side. And the delay is over a min on all chs I checked (tsn, sn, cbc, ctv, cp24, discovery and a few others). Plus, the quality is not even close to ota or Sat. I can see blurry pixels with bare eyes. I am not sure how you tested or which chs you tested, but I am sure that almost all chs have over a min delay. I have tested other services with much less delay and better quality.

[dishuser]

I gave it a try with sat running side by side. And the delay is over a min on all chs I checked (tsn, sn, cbc, ctv, cp24, discovery and a few others). Plus, the quality is not even close to ota or Sat. I can see blurry pixels with bare eyes. I am not sure how you tested or which chs you tested, but I am sure that almost all chs have over a min delay. I have tested other services with much less delay and better quality.what box are you using?

[haha11]

what box are you using?

Mag254......

[dishuser]

Mag254......

that could be why it isn't clear

[haha11]

that could be why it isn't clear
i thought mag boxes are the best? But i figured that quality is not as good as running on android.
But what about the delay? It can't be that different...

[chad1976]

YEs Rocket ,NFPS and IKS 66 They are all done.When to go with iptv

[tutumx]

YEs Rocket ,NFPS and IKS 66 They are all done.When to go with iptv
we are up an running.

[chad1976]

Yes i know that .........We all hope for 6 months

[bbatur]

what I don't get is how come Iptv doesn't get killed dish card is used for that too or I'm wrong can somebody explain please?

[bad1]

we are up an running.

I must have made a bad choice when picking a new provider then
Lots of freezing and unwatchable

[fn59]

what I don't get is how come Iptv doesn't get killed dish card is used for that too or I'm wrong can somebody explain please?

I saw an iptv server, they were using Shaw receivers for Canadian channels, so I would suspect subbed receivers are being used for U.S. channels also.

[jedi]

what I don't get is how come Iptv doesn't get killed dish card is used for that too or I'm wrong can somebody explain please?

They don't have to use Dishnetwork - they can use DirecTV, Bell, Cogeco cable, Shaw cable, Rogers, OTA antennas, streaming services - anything that you can watch on your TV screen can be used as a source for IPTV streaming.
Some do use Dishnet IKS receivers as the source for some of their streams and those channels do go down when the cards are hit - but they could also use legally subscribed Dishnet receivers for those streams that should never go down.

It is cheaper in the short term to use IKS receivers as the source - but legal receivers are more stable and eventually with all the card hits it may cheaper to use legal receivers in the long term.

[maird57]

I must have made a bad choice when picking a new provider then
Lots of freezing and unwatchable

Not sure why you are saying you made a bad choice. I'm watching it right now and also your second code is working. You may have a bad setting. Try a reboot.

[bad1]

Not sure why you are saying you made a bad choice. I'm watching it right now and also your second code is working. You may have a bad setting. Try a reboot.

That might be fine to say now
But last night it was freezing and unwatchable
It always seems to get worse when ppl sit down for the night to watch TV
When it works it works well but it's not consistent and stable 24/7

[The Noof]

Not sure why you are saying you made a bad choice. I'm watching it right now and also your second code is working. You may have a bad setting. Try a reboot.



Spoken like a TRUE reseller.No truth in advertising.

[bad1]

Spoken like a TRUE reseller.No truth in advertising.

Yup freezing and unwatchable again right now as I speak
Quite a salesman haha

[ssr316]

that could be why it isn't clear

which box do you use? and which service? if i could find picture quality as good as iks for live sports, i'd consider switching, but i don't think that's feasible - at least from my experience

[dishuser]

which box do you use? and which service? if i could find picture quality as good as iks for live sports, i'd consider switching, but i don't think that's feasible - at least from my experience
zoomtak/elitetv,global/crowntv,buzz/ok2
watching nhl right now and picture is fine

[haha11]

zoomtak/elitetv,global/crowntv,buzz/ok2
watching nhl right now and picture is fine
Is it at least 50fps? And the delay once again? Sports streams seems to be coming from online streams rather than direct feed which are always a min behind.

[dishuser]

Is it at least 50fps? And the delay once again? Sports streams seems to be coming from online streams rather than direct feed which are always a min behind.
you know what?
it's basically free and unless you're using a second source how would you know it's delayed?
I have worse things to worry about than **** like that...lol
does it bother you that someone that pays $150/month saw the goal before you?:rolleyes:

[dishuser]

oh and if you want picture quality and no delay get an antenna
better than cable,fibe or sat

[The Noof]

oh and if you want picture quality and no delay get an antenna
better than cable,fibe or sat

Amen to that...

[ssr316]

oh and if you want picture quality and no delay get an antenna
better than cable,fibe or sat

true, but no tsn/sportsnet with ota

i'm just trying to find an iptv service that has hd pic quality (and lack of delay) as good as iks for live sports

i've watched sports with an iptv service (can't remember the name) and the quality looked like i was streaming from my laptop...i didn't really like it

[harry3456]

true, but no tsn/sportsnet with ota

i'm just trying to find an iptv service that has hd pic quality (and lack of delay) as good as iks for live sports

i've watched sports with an iptv service (can't remember the name) and the quality looked like i was streaming from my laptop...i didn't really like it

I would suggest trying the OK2 server.

[kenorakid]

or a very simple solution the rip of merchants stop charging so much for a legal sub!!

[kenorakid]

This stuff piss's me off, I am not at all techy but isn't the internet just there, why should I have to pay one price for 30mb upload speed, another for 60 mb, another for 100mb....we need ip hacks too!!!
true ...... not all of us want to pay for it either ....... these F ers force me to pay 120 a month ...... its a scam

[buckeye144]

This stuff piss's me off, I am not at all techy but isn't the internet just there, why should I have to pay one price for 30mb upload speed, another for 60 mb, another for 100mb....we need ip hacks too!!!

yes you can say the internet is just there in a sense. the cost comes from all of the equipment to provide you and whole entire town or city internet, paying people to maintain this equipment to make sure your internet is working, making updates to hardware and software to keep your speed fast and efficient. these are some things that the internet provider has to pay for to keep you up and running. someone like verizon invests billions a year into their networks to stay on top of the game. its simple business man, it takes money to make money.

[dael]

lets face it here people, IKS is done. there really is no point in complaining about it. no one gives solid answers, all they say is to wait, go IPTV, or get a SUB. all indicators point to they dont want to deal with IKS anymore and focus on IPTV. so for all you out there that cant use IPTV thank your provider for the free money and remind them you wont be renewing anymore. maybe just maybe if enough people dont renew they will realize their mistake. one thing is for sure i wont be renewing till IKS comes back. for the one claiming to have IKS working their just a bunch of scammers trying to take peoples money so dont deal with them. if the head's dont have it working no one under them does either.

You really don't know what you're talking about. It's not dead at all. Works better than ever you just have to work at finding a server. I did.

[satb]

iks is far from dead/done
there is bev iks that is and has been running solid

[jaybird1]

I would buy tickets to the event and bam your live.
true, but no tsn/sportsnet with ota

i'm just trying to find an iptv service that has hd pic quality (and lack of delay) as good as iks for live sports

i've watched sports with an iptv service (can't remember the name) and the quality looked like i was streaming from my laptop...i didn't really like it

[jaybird1]

nothing better in my mom's opinion....
iks is far from dead/done
there is bev iks that is and has been running solid

[WiiLF]

I live in Canada, and Bell here is garbage. Canadian programming has maybe 4 or 5 good stations, the rest is very bilingual programming, international or local programming here in Vancouver BC. The sweet spot is DISH.. and was working great early November, now its not at all in good standing (I am still on 322 days remaining to your first provider on Google search for "IKS"), completely inaccessible. Waste of $114 CAD with a few days of TV before it went down for almost 2 months now. Kicking myself in the ass for that one. Does anyone here offer DISH Network IKS? Please PM me.

[tutumx]

I live in Canada, and Bell here is garbage. Canadian programming has maybe 4 or 5 good stations, the rest is very bilingual programming, international or local programming here in Vancouver BC. The sweet spot is DISH.. and was working great early November, now its not at all in good standing (I am still on 322 days remaining to your first provider on Google search for "IKS"), completely inaccessible. Waste of $114 CAD with a few days of TV before it went down for almost 2 months now. Kicking myself in the ass for that one. Does anyone here offer DISH Network IKS? Please PM me.

http://www.satfix.to/private.php?do=newpm&u=107731

[The Noof]

http://www.satfix.to/private.php?do=newpm&u=107731

Your "stuff" is no different in any way Tutu...

[dishuser]

Your "stuff" is no different in any way Tutu...
actually it is
rocket/iks66/nfps haven't been up at all

[The Noof]

actually it is
rocket/iks66/nfps haven't been up at all

His DN stuff is no different from what is left DU....all from the same toilet.

[tutumx]

His DN stuff is no different from what is left DU....all from the same toilet.

We can offer what is available no more.

[dishuser]

His DN stuff is no different from what is left DU....all from the same toilet.
but the person who asked was using one of the three I mentioned

[The Noof]

We can offer what is available no more.

You're helping me make my point.

[kreas]

Buying new receivers and cards and activating them is just part of the problem - you can no longer activate the old 301 receivers in continental USA that were easy to jTag to pull the keys to use for IKS. You'll have to use something like the 311 receivers and desolder the BGA chips from the motherboard, put them in a special programmer to read the keys and then solder them back onto the motherboard. The programmer is not cheap and the skill level to desolder, reball and resolder the BGA chips is advanced level and only a few people do it.
To buy a new receiver and card with the keys pulled is about $200 to $250 - so if you have 20 cards (that will do about 400 channels) you are looking at $4000. Dish kills the cards at least once a month and sometimes two times or on occasion 3 times - so just the cards and receivers alone is a monthly investment of $4000 to $12,000. O top of that you have the monthly programming subscription for the receivers - you will need 3 or 4 accounts for that many cards/receivers so that is another $1000 or more monthly if you buy some PPVs and adult channels. Then you have the expense of a VPN server and you better have DDOS protection on it and one or more backup servers ready to go.

After a card kill (I'm guessing it is still on Tuesdays around 2:00 PM) - all of those receivers/cards are worthless and have to be replaced. The better IKS services probably have some backup cards and receivers already to go - but if they stick these new cards back into the cards servers right away they have to worry about another card hit. The replacement card may work for a day or two and then all of a sudden - WHACK - it is also killed. So you pull it out and put in another backup replacement card and you pray that there isn't a third card hit that month.

After a card hit you may see only a few channels working - that is because they don't want to replace every card right away and have them killed. They are waiting to see if there is a second or third card hit - or they may not have backup cards/receivers on hand and have to buy more.

The better IKS servers use ECM/EMM feeders to keep the cards updated and to fill the cache with the control words - so you are going to need some Dreamboxes/DreamLinks and dishes for that.

You will need one or two guys to babysit the servers and feeders to check for leachers and to make sure the cache is running smoothly.

Then you have to put up with the whiners who can't understand why their receiver seems to be down all the time.

After getting hit month after month and spending thousands of dollars I can see why some of these south IKS guys are calling it quits.

If you don't like Bell IKS or can't get the Bell signal in your area - and if IKS is your only option because of internet requirements for IPTV - then you better have the patience of Job. You know you are going to be down every month for at least 2 or 3 days or even longer.
If you don't have the patience then Dish account sharing may be a better option for you.


Very well said but the alternative iptv wow is it ever ****ty not one provider has it down packed I've tested 7 different ppl n they all suk ass so ya iks is dying n bad news is there's nothing ass good out there too replace it for now

[dishuser]

Very well said but the alternative iptv wow is it ever ****ty not one provider has it down packed I've tested 7 different ppl n they all suk ass so ya iks is dying n bad news is there's nothing ass good out there too replace it for now
you must have dial up...lol
I've been watching same channel for hours and not a hiccup and pic is clear
so I guess the server I use has it down "pat"

[kreas]

you must have dial up...lol
I've been watching same channel for hours and not a hiccup and pic is clear
so I guess the server I use has it down "pat"


Dish u been here forever u know better ya me too out of 800 Chanel's I too get lucky n find a stable Channel here n there but can u honestly say iptv is as stable as iks n if ur answer is yes can u pls private me ur iptv provider I'd gladly take ur word for it since u been a part of the game like 100 years p.s do they still offer dial up

[dishuser]

Dish u been here forever u know better ya me too out of 800 Chanel's I too get lucky n find a stable Channel here n there but can u honestly say iptv is as stable as iks n if ur answer is yes can u pls private me ur iptv provider I'd gladly take ur word for it since u been a part of the game like 100 years p.s do they still offer dial up

ok2 is great...rarely an issue
and 3 times more channels than I've seen iks offer
as for dial up not sure but my windows 3.1 is still going strong..lol

[booter]

My friends cabinet maker says iptv is not as good as IKS and you better have high speed unlimited, wired connection to use it. An issue for many of us. The Cabinet Maker guy also said that TuTu south (now RX) has been pretty solid but has had a few hiccups but tutu is a real standup guy.