Ok2: announcement

[herk]

We will be upgrading our streams to h265 next week. This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth
Mag 250 and 254 users will need to upgrade their boxes to use ok2

[dishuser]

that's awesome

[surfinisfun]

We will be upgrading our streams to h265 next week. This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth
Mag 250 and 254 users will need to upgrade their boxes to use ok2

Not that i use these boxes but what does this mean....won't work, or upgrade online via updates?

[trainee]

sounds like a great improvement

will it still work emulating a mag with the stb emu program on an android box?

[squirtNcider]

Would like to know the same thing as a few friends are running the mag254. Would hate to have to look for a different server for them. At least I just picked up a buzz 3000...:)

[herk]

those mags dont do h265

[dishuser]

sounds like a great improvement

will it still work emulating a mag with the stb emu program on an android box?
does the box do h265?

[surfinisfun]

does the box do h265?

So, this update will work fine with buzz huh.

[herk]

So, this update will work fine with buzz huh.

yes it does

[trainee]

does the box do h265?

yes it does
so it is only not going to work on the mag because it is not able to decode the h265
ok2 will still work on the stalker platform then

[herk]

yes it does
so it is only not going to work on the mag because it is not able to decode the h265
ok2 will still work on the stalker platform then

it wont work on the 250 and 254 Will work on the newer mags

[dishuser]

So, this update will work fine with buzz huh.

will work fine with the 3 boxes I use for ok2
buzz,global and zoomtak

[surfinisfun]

I'm glad you spelled that out.

[Mr Hanky]

Theres a ton of mag 254's out. Thats a lot of mac reseting and transferring accounts to new stbs . 1st generation firesticks also effected. A slew of people are going to be pissed off.

[dishuser]

Theres a ton of mag 254's out. Thats a lot of mac reseting and transferring accounts to new stbs . 1st generation firesticks also effected. A slew of people are going to be pissed off.

not necessarily
can always change the mac on most boxes I've used

[haha11]

will this be on all channels? Would love to see higher quality/less delay for sports

[Emporium]

Theres a ton of mag 254's out. Thats a lot of mac reseting and transferring accounts to new stbs . 1st generation firesticks also effected. A slew of people are going to be pissed off.

I'm sure there will be some upset users. However at one point you need to just make the call, in order to move forward with new technologies. You will never be able to satisfy everyone. h265 will bring many benefits to both client and server side. Huge difference in bandwidth.

Would be nice if next they can offer some tiered plan for multiple connections from the same IP :) with 4 TVs in the house, would be nice to be able to have 3 connections at least (without paying for 3 subs).

[surfinisfun]

will this be on all channels? Would love to see higher quality/less delay for sports

Guess you'll have to wait and see.....

P.S, Your user name should be banned, or changed.

Sorry for the hijack.

[6strings]

We will be upgrading our streams to h265 next week. This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth
Mag 250 and 254 users will need to upgrade their boxes to use ok2

I am hoping that maximizing the picture quality is a priority over reducing bandwidth.

[dishuser]

I am hoping that maximizing the picture quality is a priority over reducing bandwidth.
how can that be the priority when it does both?

[Canadian]

Will the stb-emulator handle the h.265 ?
reason why i'm asking is that i have a older android box that doesn't indicate h.265 on packaging.

[dishuser]

Will the stb-emulator handle the h.265 ?
reason why i'm asking is that i have a older android box that doesn't indicate h.265 on packaging.
it's the box not the emulator that needs to be h265 compatible

[The Noof]

H265 is really just a codec.If you can add the codec,it should work.

[herk]

c and p

As data-intensive as HD is, 4K is even worse. While most of us were just getting used to the idea of H.264's advantages over MPEG-2 on Blu-ray, the Motion Picture Experts Group and the International Telecommunication Union's Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) were already starting work on the next generation of video compression, with an eye on the future.

Not wanting to mess around with small, incremental improvements, whenever a new compression standard is introduced, it has to be a sizable change. With each jump, the general rule is half the bit rate for the same quality (or greater quality at the same bit rate).

How does it do this? Largely by expanding on how AVC (and other compression techniques before it) works.

First, it looks at multiple frames to see what doesn't change. In most scenes in a TV show or movie, the vast majority of the frame doesn't change much. Think of a scene with someone talking. The shot is mostly their head. The background isn't going to change much for many frames. For that matter, most of the pixels representing their face probably won't change much (other than their lips, of course). So instead of encoding every pixel from every frame, an initial frame is encoded, and then after that only what changes is encoded (basically).

HEVC then expands the size of the area that's looked at for these changes. Larger and smaller "blocks" essentially, which offers additional efficiency. Ever seen blocks in your image, when the picture goes foul? Those can be bigger, smaller, and differently shaped with HEVC than with previous compression methods. Larger blocks, for example, were found to be more efficient.

Then other things were improved, like motion compensation, spatial prediction, and so on. All of these things would have been done with AVC or even earlier, but it required more processing power than was economically feasible at the time.

During the development phase, the compression algorithm is tested objectively, for its raw number efficiency, but also subjectively, by video professionals comparing different compression methods and amounts in a "blind" test, where they don't know which method is which. The human element is crucial. Just because a computer says one level of compression is better than another doesn't mean it looks better than another.

Because H.265 is so much more processor intensive, don't expect a simple firmware upgrade to get your gear to decode it. In fact, that's part of the issue. You need a hardware decoder somewhere. If your new media streamer, cable box, or BD player has it, then you'll be all set (presuming you also have HDMI 2.0 so you can get 2160p/60 and not just 2160p/30). Could a high-end PC decode it via software? Maybe. Could the Xbox One or PS4? Not likely. Everyone loves their favorite console, but remember, this generation's hardware is equivalent to a pretty average PC.

[The Noof]

After pokin' around a little, there's talk of the mag team adding h256 to the firmware...via update I would assume.

[The Noof]

c and p

As data-intensive as HD is, 4K is even worse. While most of us were just getting used to the idea of H.264's advantages over MPEG-2 on Blu-ray, the Motion Picture Experts Group and the International Telecommunication Union's Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) were already starting work on the next generation of video compression, with an eye on the future.

Not wanting to mess around with small, incremental improvements, whenever a new compression standard is introduced, it has to be a sizable change. With each jump, the general rule is half the bit rate for the same quality (or greater quality at the same bit rate).

How does it do this? Largely by expanding on how AVC (and other compression techniques before it) works.

First, it looks at multiple frames to see what doesn't change. In most scenes in a TV show or movie, the vast majority of the frame doesn't change much. Think of a scene with someone talking. The shot is mostly their head. The background isn't going to change much for many frames. For that matter, most of the pixels representing their face probably won't change much (other than their lips, of course). So instead of encoding every pixel from every frame, an initial frame is encoded, and then after that only what changes is encoded (basically).

HEVC then expands the size of the area that's looked at for these changes. Larger and smaller "blocks" essentially, which offers additional efficiency. Ever seen blocks in your image, when the picture goes foul? Those can be bigger, smaller, and differently shaped with HEVC than with previous compression methods. Larger blocks, for example, were found to be more efficient.

Then other things were improved, like motion compensation, spatial prediction, and so on. All of these things would have been done with AVC or even earlier, but it required more processing power than was economically feasible at the time.

During the development phase, the compression algorithm is tested objectively, for its raw number efficiency, but also subjectively, by video professionals comparing different compression methods and amounts in a "blind" test, where they don't know which method is which. The human element is crucial. Just because a computer says one level of compression is better than another doesn't mean it looks better than another.

Because H.265 is so much more processor intensive, don't expect a simple firmware upgrade to get your gear to decode it. In fact, that's part of the issue. You need a hardware decoder somewhere. If your new media streamer, cable box, or BD player has it, then you'll be all set (presuming you also have HDMI 2.0 so you can get 2160p/60 and not just 2160p/30). Could a high-end PC decode it via software? Maybe. Could the Xbox One or PS4? Not likely. Everyone loves their favorite console, but remember, this generation's hardware is equivalent to a pretty average PC.



How old is this Herk?Several media players decode H265,like VLC.I can stream h265 on all of my htpcs no sweat.

[herk]

How old is this Herk?Several media players decode H265,like VLC.I can stream h265 on all of my htpcs no sweat.

sorry its a little outdated 2014 cnet

[The Noof]

sorry its a little outdated 2014 cnet

Thought so.

[Emporium]

After pokin' around a little, there's talk of the mag team adding h256 to the firmware...via update I would assume.

I'm assuming you meant h265 :)

However, they may add the codec for it an all, but I'm not sure the 254 would have enough juice to handle the "heavier" streams. The STiH207 (http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/data_brief/5e/30/d3/f4/74/ed/4a/7a/DM00039526.pdf/files/DM00039526.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00039526.pdf)processor it uses does have native support for h264, but since it is over 7 years old, it does not have any native support for h265 as far as I know, and would have to decode it all in software. This would be extremely heavy for the 650Mhz CPU without any native support. The Mag 254 is also on a linux kernel 2.6.x tree (as far as I can tell) which limits the available options, since it is only unofficially still supported and not much new is released for it.

They may try to add the support (eventually), but unless you will be running it in 720p only, I'm not sure if it will be able to keep up.

The box has had a good long run. However, at one point, things must move on.

[The Noof]

I'm assuming you meant h265 :)

However, they may add the codec for it an all, but I'm not sure the 254 would have enough juice to handle the "heavier" streams. The STiH207 (http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/data_brief/5e/30/d3/f4/74/ed/4a/7a/DM00039526.pdf/files/DM00039526.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00039526.pdf)processor it uses does have native support for h264, but since it is over 7 years old, it does not have any native support for h265 as far as I know, and would have to decode it all in software. This would be extremely heavy for the 650Mhz CPU without any native support. The Mag 254 is also on a linux kernel 2.6.x tree (as far as I can tell) which limits the available options, since it is only unofficially still supported and not much new is released for it.

They may try to add the support (eventually), but unless you will be running it in 720p only, I'm not sure if it will be able to keep up.

The box has had a good long run. However, at one point, things must move on.

Yes...sorry.H265.

[The Noof]

P.S...I would be surprised if it couldn't run h265 in 720p, dut with the exception of the people that bought one of the 254's, it wouldn't be a tragedy if they didn't run h265.I tested several mag models & they really aren't very good at all:the worst video quality of all the units I've seen so far.

[6strings]

how can that be the priority when it does both?

C&P:

H265/HEVC was developed with the goal of providing twice the compression efficiency of the previous standard, H.264 / AVC. Although compression efficiency results vary depending on the type of content and the encoder settings, at typical consumer video distribution bit rates HEVC is typically able to compress video twice as efficiently as AVC. End-users can take advantage of improved compression efficiency in one of two ways (or some combination of both);

At an identical level of visual quality, HEVC enables video to be compressed to a file that is about half the size (or half the bit rate) of AVC, or
When compressed to the same file size or bit rate as AVC, HEVC delivers significantly better visual quality.

[Emporium]

C&P:

H265/HEVC was developed with the goal of providing twice the compression efficiency of the previous standard, H.264 / AVC. Although compression efficiency results vary depending on the type of content and the encoder settings, at typical consumer video distribution bit rates HEVC is typically able to compress video twice as efficiently as AVC. End-users can take advantage of improved compression efficiency in one of two ways (or some combination of both);

At an identical level of visual quality, HEVC enables video to be compressed to a file that is about half the size (or half the bit rate) of AVC, or
When compressed to the same file size or bit rate as AVC, HEVC delivers significantly better visual quality.

I don't think anyone confirmed that it will use half the bandwidth in the long term. You can initially start with half the bandwidth and keep same image quality. But then on channels that there is a demand for better image quality, you can increase the bandwidth, but not necessarily up to bandwidth point where it was before. It is always a balance you need to find. Better image quality requires more bandwidth, and also required a little more server horsepower if it is going to be doing it on the fly.

[jedi]

Does anyone know if the older red and white Avov TvOnline+ receivers are HEVC 265?
I couldn't find the specs on Avov's site.

[Emporium]

Does anyone know if the older red and white Avov TvOnline+ receivers are HEVC 265?
I couldn't find the specs on Avov's site.

It uses an "Amlogic S805 Quad Core Cortex 1.5GHz A5 Processor" and "GPU Quad-Core Mali 450 (Open GL ES2.0/1.1, Open VG1.1, Flash 11.1)"
You can look at the original user guide via the google cache link here (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7k9h9SEEnjAJ:websoftsolution.net/Avovtechnology/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TVOnline_final_2016.pdf+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca). Not a pretty link, but you can make out the specs on page 4.

For the CPU, there is not technical reason it can't...

Amlogic S805 - A low cost SoC similar to M805 with quad-core ARM Cortex A5-based SoC with Mali-450 MP2 GPU running at 500 MHz, with hardware support for HEVC/H.265 decoding up to 1080p.
Not it can't do 4K, but it does say it can do H.265 1080p [email protected] 60fps.

Now are the codec integrated, that is a different story. But if it is not, they could in theory add it with a firmware update.

[dishuser]

C&P:

H265/HEVC was developed with the goal of providing twice the compression efficiency of the previous standard, H.264 / AVC. Although compression efficiency results vary depending on the type of content and the encoder settings, at typical consumer video distribution bit rates HEVC is typically able to compress video twice as efficiently as AVC. End-users can take advantage of improved compression efficiency in one of two ways (or some combination of both);

At an identical level of visual quality, HEVC enables video to be compressed to a file that is about half the size (or half the bit rate) of AVC, or
When compressed to the same file size or bit rate as AVC, HEVC delivers significantly better visual quality.
from first post
This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth

[montell]

Would the Dreamlink T1 be ok with this update? or T1 is also outdated?!

Thanks

[dishuser]

Would the Dreamlink T1 be ok with this update? or T1 is also outdated?!

Thanks

Video decoding in H.265, H.264, AVS+, MVC,MPEG2, MPEG4, VC-1, VP6, and VP8

[lobsterpot]

P.S...I would be surprised if it couldn't run h265 in 720p, dut with the exception of the people that bought one of the 254's, it wouldn't be a tragedy if they didn't run h265.I tested several mag models & they really aren't very good at all:the worst video quality of all the units I've seen so far.

i got a mag box, what do I buy to replace it ? .

[TLG]

i got a mag box, what do I buy to replace it ? .

Most will agree that the Buzz xpl 3000 is the golden box at the moment
I also like the Zoomtak with stbemu

[The Noof]

Although I haven't tested the Buzz yet, it seems to be the weapon of choice.I'm an htpc guy now.

[Maestro701]

Although I haven't tested the Buzz yet, it seems to be the weapon of choice.I'm an htpc guy now.

The buzz does have a great user experience with customer support and when used with ok2 service then you are experiencing heaven

[squirtNcider]

Agree....Many friends are/were Mag users but since we tried the buzz 3000, no looking back. Even the guide works way better.

[forzaazzurri]

How is Buzz 3000 with kodi ?

[dishuser]

How is Buzz 3000 with kodi ?

it worx as expected

[yotrek]

This announcement should be "Sticky"

[Actv8]

Would the Dreamlink T1 be ok with this update? or T1 is also outdated?!

Thanks
Yes it does
VIDEO DECODING IN H.265, H.264, AVS+, MVC,MPEG2, MPEG4, VC-1, VP6, AND ALSO VP8

[dishuser]

Yes it does
VIDEO DECODING IN H.265, H.264, AVS+, MVC,MPEG2, MPEG4, VC-1, VP6, AND ALSO VP8

https://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?204545-Ok2-announcement&p=1249606#post1249606

[fires]

This is amazing news! Want to send my thanks to everyone on the OK2 team! Kick-ass job :D

[squirtNcider]

Is there an actual date for the implementation or over time? Just want to let me friends know who have Mag 254 boxes when their screen will go black.

[1llogic]

Is there an actual date for the implementation or over time? Just want to let me friends know who have Mag 254 boxes when their screen will go black.

Will screens actually go black or will there just be lower quality output for MAG254 users?

[dishuser]

Will screens actually go black or will there just be lower quality output for MAG254 users?
my guess is black since it can't do h265

[herk]

my guess is black since it can't do h265

That's a good guess

[yotrek]

Is this happening this week?

[herk]

Is this happening this week?

I've been told it is

[wheresmystuff]

Guess I’m screwed with my raspberry pi

[walter]

Do we know how it will happen? Will the entire system go down for a period of time or channel by channel? Is it a "flip of a switch" type of change?

[herk]

Do we know how it will happen? Will the entire system go down for a period of time or channel by channel? Is it a "flip of a switch" type of change?

Channels at a time not sure how many at a time or how long the entire process will take

[krazy44]

well that sucks I just bought a mag 254 and a year of ok2:grr:

[Dynas]

So from what I have read OK2 will run on the Buzz xpl 3000 using the h265 technology

[dishuser]

So from what I have read OK2 will run on the Buzz xpl 3000 using the h265 technology
that's correct

[Bicksy]

Me and my people are ready lol
Everyone I know has Buzz boxes and global boxes.

[leafs99]

I haven't seen a difference yet so I can assume the upgrade hasn't started yet. Did anybody get a confirmed date during the week for the service upgrade? I am looking forward to spending time with the wife. :(

[herk]

Already answer it

[johnnylarue]

The MTL locals are all h265 at 576p. They are the only ones that have come up as h265 in my 10 min of channel surfing.

[leafs99]

they look good on the buzz box and dreamlink t1 box. as for the avov tvonline+ its all black. I guess that box aint gonna work with the new h265 stream unless some update happens from avov. The specs claim that it does h265/264 but its wait and see.

Thanks

[krazy44]

seems like people here are just pumping up buzz boxes , gonna wait and see what happens, or just change servers

[leafs99]

Loaded the tvonweb from the market on the avov tvonline+ and MTL channels are back but video delay probably due to the lack of memory etc . Avov needs to update the built-in tvonline app before it can be used for h265.

[herk]

The MTL locals are all h265 at 576p. They are the only ones that have come up as h265 in my 10 min of channel surfing.

they were already h265

[Holdermann]

Hello Everyone,

Does AVOV VIXO2 support h256?

Thank you in advance

[dishuser]

seems like people here are just pumping up buzz boxes , gonna wait and see what happens, or just change servers
other boxes have been mentioned that work

[crazy carl]

seems like people here are just pumping up buzz boxes , gonna wait and see what happens, or just change servers

If your running an older mag you may find that this server isn’t the only one that will be implementing this approach. It’s only a matter of time before the other do the same.. besides ipguys most will embrace the change. Your talking about a box that’s close to 5 years old now with outdated specs and runs choppy on servers that have more then a thousand channels l. Enjoy it while you can it won’t last forever now that the 300 series is out

[TheCat1]

I'm switching from Mag254 to a new android box and will use stb pro which I have installed, I've watched the tutorial explaining how to enter OK2 http address however which I've done. My new android box has a different MAC address to that of my Mag254 should I change that MAC address to that of the one assigned to my Mag254 and if so will ok2 service work and do I need to notify ok2?
If so how do I do that as my seller was tbird who has retired.

Any help would be appreciated as I don't want to disrupt my service or go dark this week.
Thanks for ur help.

[dishuser]

I'm switching from Mag254 to a new android box and will use stb pro which I have installed, I've watched the tutorial explaining how to enter OK2 http address however which I've done. My new android box has a different MAC address to that of my Mag254 should I change that MAC address to that of the one assigned to my Mag254 and if so will ok2 service work and do I need to notify ok2?
If so how do I do that as my seller was tbird who has retired.

Any help would be appreciated as I don't want to disrupt my service or go dark this week.
Thanks for ur help.
just change the mac to match

[turbohd]

WOW

this OK2 guys seem to be on the cutting edge of ITPV technology

no wonder is the most discussed sever on this forum

first time i saw it , I was impressed with with video quality (When comparing it to cod123 and IPTVEXPRESS )

I have an old MAG250

I guess i will not be buying any mags anymore

BUZZ seems to be the way of the future

Is buzz ready to use like mag boxes, just enter the SERVER URL and it starts working ?
or does it need to load an APP like stb emulator ?

Does OK2 work with ROKU , Firestick , SMARTV ?

[squirtNcider]

Mag 250/254 boxes need to be upgraded to newer Mag boxes....Mag 256-Mag 410 models will work.

[nobodyspecial]

WOW

this OK2 guys seem to be on the cutting edge of ITPV technology

no wonder is the most discussed sever on this forum

first time i saw it , I was impressed with with video quality (When comparing it to cod123 and IPTVEXPRESS )

I have an old MAG250

I guess i will not be buying any mags anymore

BUZZ seems to be the way of the future

Is buzz ready to use like mag boxes, just enter the SERVER URL and it starts working ?
or does it need to load an APP like stb emulator ?

Does OK2 work with ROKU , Firestick , SMARTV ?

Just enter the url

[turbohd]

which of the MAG boxes that are available on the manufacturers website are ready for this new technology H265 ?

So does this means all the owners of mag 250 and mag254 will stop receiving OK2 services and will force them to switch to other more friendly IPTV services ?

There are many people that do not care about HD quality or getting better service if they have to purchase another device
they will rather switch than fight the power like the song says

will the more primitive servers will get more customers with this measure ?

[Holdermann]

Does AVOV VIXO2 support h256? I looked at the box but there is nothing on it.

Thank you in advance

[dishuser]

Does AVOV VIXO2 support h256? I looked at the box but there is nothing on it.

Thank you in advance

Video Output: HDMI 1.4a, Full HD 1080p, 3D movie file format supported
doesn't mention it

[dishuser]

which of the MAG boxes that are available on the manufacturers website are ready for this new technology H265 ?

So does this means all the owners of mag 250 and mag254 will stop receiving OK2 services and will force them to switch to other more friendly IPTV services ?

There are many people that do not care about HD quality or getting better service if they have to purchase another device
they will rather switch than fight the power like the song says

will the more primitive servers will get more customers with this measure ?read post #76
as for other servers who knows
they may switch too

[Mr Hanky]

The best servers will switch its a no brainer.

[Travis Bickle]

The best servers will switch its a no brainer.

It's inevitable. It's a cutthroat market for IPTV sever owners. When one service upgrades to a more efficient codec that offers a higher picture quality with lower bandwidth, everyone else will follow or will be left behind in the herd. End users will have to buy/upgrade new boxes to adapt or be left behind as well.

[Maestro701]

read post #76
as for other servers who knows
they may switch too
Unbelievable.......Post #1 as well

[krazy44]

me thinks they are just promoting new boxes , ok2 will work with the exsiting boxes , i wont believe the hype untill it happens

[The Noof]

me thinks they are just promoting new boxes , ok2 will work with the exsiting boxes , i wont believe the hype untill it happens

And who precisely is doing the promoting?

[dishuser]

me thinks they are just promoting new boxes , ok2 will work with the exsiting boxes , i wont believe the hype untill it happenstry the montreal channels on your mag

[Maestro701]

try the montreal channels on your mag

Hehehehehehehe

[Mr Hanky]

try the montreal channels on your mag

They didnt work with amazon tv 4k H256 box either (Habs Game)......lol

[Travis Bickle]

Stupid question. Has OK2 changed to H.265 yet? I'm still getting H.264 streams on my T1 Plus.

[dishuser]

Stupid question. Has OK2 changed to H.265 yet? I'm still getting H.264 streams on my T1 Plus.
you just answered yourself

[shollywood]

you just answered yourself

LOL...too funny

[wheresmystuff]

Well stalker client on my Pi is complaining about not loading channels looks like it’s switched over. My IPTV experience is dead now. Wish they would of told me when I ordered it that they were making the change and I needed different hardware, it worked for a few weeks. Oh well.

[Emporium]

Well stalker client on my Pi is complaining about not loading channels looks like it’s switched over. My IPTV experience is dead now. Wish they would of told me when I ordered it that they were making the change and I needed different hardware, it worked for a few weeks. Oh well.

Truth is that even the cheapest S905X android boxes even on amazon.ca can handle h265. They can easily be had between $40 and $50 CDN including free shipping, and typically no tax, and quick delivery from amazon. You don't need any expensive box to be able to decode h265. The PI was never really designed for anything intensive, and for licensing purposes (to keep costs down) they even left stuff like MPEG2 decoding out of the default unit if I remember correctly. Great flexible little unit, but no specialized decoding hardware.

Example1 (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01DDRGZGO/), Example2 (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01N0B0M3K), Example3 (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B074TXFNPX), Example4 (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B075DY8YTR), etc...

It's not like this change requires any crazy hardware. And you can use either the OK2 APK with this, or STB Emu.
It's less than a single month's cable bill...

I just tried it on my old A95X (S905X based, 8GB storage and 1GB RAM) box, which I had picked up for $30 during a lightning deal quite a while back, and using the OK2 APK, it works perfectly fine, and there is no lag/syn issues. I tested with the MTL channels which I know are h265. I just had to change the decoder to "native" instead of "hw" which is the default, and it works flawlessly. And surprisingly the channel changes were not that much slower than my Beelink GT1 which is S912 based.

[dishuser]

We will be upgrading our streams to h265 next week. This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth
Mag 250 and 254 users will need to upgrade their boxes to use ok2
what about VOD?

[Mr Hanky]

Well stalker client on my Pi is complaining about not loading channels looks like it’s switched over. My IPTV experience is dead now. Wish they would of told me when I ordered it that they were making the change and I needed different hardware, it worked for a few weeks. Oh well.

Pi are hobby kits ...can you order different graphic component?

[Mr Hanky]

same set up and vod worx here
what version of stb emu?VOD has been hit and miss....some categories work.

[dishuser]

VOD has been hit and miss....some categories work.
on another site the category a person got that message but worked flawless for me
so not so sure about hit and miss

[herk]

The main vod server crashed early last week and some were not available. Ill ask if all have been restored
Any I have checked are working

[squirtNcider]

Are they working on the servers today as Im getting 'stream not available' on all channels.....Using Buzz 3000

[dishuser]

Are they working on the servers today as Im getting 'stream not available' on all channels.....Using Buzz 3000

working fine here

[squirtNcider]

Sorry, good here now....Just rebooted the box a few times....

[Travis Bickle]

Sorry, good here now....Just rebooted the box a few times....

I thought I was the only one with that problem.

[Blazerbong]

I have a Minix Neo 8,Would iptv work with this box or do I need a new Buzz box?

[johnnynothumbs]

should be fine

[Emporium]

I have a Minix Neo 8,Would iptv work with this box or do I need a new Buzz box?

Actually depends... When you say Neo 8, Is it the X8H or X8H Plus ?

The X8H is based on the S802 CPU, which does not have h265 hardware support. So if it uses software based codec, it would be able to do 720p at best using h265.

The X8H Plus is based on the S812 CPU, which should not have any issues, since it does have native h265 support in hardware as far as I can tell.

[bobrossi]

Its funny, my T1 loaded the ok2 channels today and not yesterday or the day before....even today I had to try it few times to get it to load!
but my Global Media box seems to be fine :)
except I bought my 1 year membership on T1 mac number :((

[rudee]

My Ok2 is terrible since the upgrade... freezing and the lip syncing is way off...
Hopefully these things get fixed. Flawless on the Mag..
Why ruin a good thing?

[FrankieG]

I understand that the upgrade has not yet taken place.

[herk]

My Ok2 is terrible since the upgrade... freezing and the lip syncing is way off...
Hopefully these things get fixed. Flawless on the Mag..
Why ruin a good thing?

Upgrade has not happened yet.,lol
Have you tried different player?

[Emporium]

My Ok2 is terrible since the upgrade... freezing and the lip syncing is way off...
Hopefully these things get fixed. Flawless on the Mag..
Why ruin a good thing?

With the exception of the MTL local channels and maybe one or 2 more, no other channels have been switched to h265 yet. What device you having issues with ?

I primarily run the OK2 android app, and perfect player on a Mii Box, and have had no major issues.. On the very rare occasions, things act funny, like volume changes not synced to app any more, etc... A quick reboot of the box, fixes the problem. Probably some memory leaks in the various apps, but nothing critical (once every 2 weeks - since typically I just put the box to sleep instead of shutdown).

[rudee]

Ok2 was not working on Mag box anymore... tried it on an Android box... was terrible..
Thought the update had happened..
I don't know what is going on anymore..
wonder why it stopped working on the Mag254?
Going to try it on a newer Android box..
Thanks for the info.

[pete1970]

the mag 254 doesn't support the new stream. I have a buzz 3000 and formuler z7 plus and the pic is good on both

[nobodyspecial]

the mag 254 doesn't support the new stream. I have a buzz 3000 and formuler z7 plus and the pic is good on both

The mag 254 should still work

[pugsycan]

Uh ohh...my Dreamlink T1 Plus is not working with it anymore...even after a few hard and soft reboots and I know it is H.265 compliant....help!

that will be a problem with the dreamlink then Start a thread there

[herk]

me thinks they are just promoting new boxes , ok2 will work with the exsiting boxes , i wont believe the hype untill it happens

try tsn5 or ctv news then

[herk]

Ok2 was not working on Mag box anymore... tried it on an Android box... was terrible..
Thought the update had happened..
I don't know what is going on anymore..
wonder why it stopped working on the Mag254?
Going to try it on a newer Android box..
Thanks for the info.

occasionally a mac address has to be reset at the server end

[kreas]

The Montreal locals are terrible if that’s the Chanel’s that have been switched over pls pls don’t switch no more u ask if ok service works on stub emu u r told yes u purchase service 2 weeks later u r told won’t work with ur box no more u c I have 2 TVs 1 mag 254 n 1 stub emu u telling me I need 2 new boxes after I asked if it works with my boxes just 2 weeks ago I don’t get it

Why switch anyways it was running great like the best out there

[dishuser]

The Montreal locals are terrible if that’s the Chanel’s that have been switched over pls pls don’t switch no more u ask if ok service works on stub emu u r told yes u purchase service 2 weeks later u r told won’t work with ur box no more u c I have 2 TVs 1 mag 254 n 1 stub emu u telling me I need 2 new boxes after I asked if it works with my boxes just 2 weeks ago I don’t get it

Why switch anyways it was running great like the best out thereif you mean 138-141 they have an excellent picture/audio

[kreas]

if you mean 138-141 they have an excellent picture/audio

My understanding is that they have been switched over. And ever since then they freeze non stop on mag 254 and stub emu systems that 3 weeks ago I was told are compatible but apparently no more and the switch is gonna eventually b on all Chanel’s picture on those Chanel’s was already great so why switch n make many users have too buy new boxes u know what I mean dish u getting no freeze on those Chanel’s cause u probably not a mag user

Actually it’s only 139 that’s freezing non stop the rest are ok tonight

[dishuser]

My understanding is that they have been switched over. And ever since then they freeze non stop on mag 254 and stub emu systems that 3 weeks ago I was told are compatible but apparently no more and the switch is gonna eventually b on all Chanel’s picture on those Chanel’s was already great so why switch n make many users have too buy new boxes u know what I mean dish u getting no freeze on those Chanel’s cause u probably not a mag user
if you get them on mag 254 then they haven't switched

[nobodyspecial]

when they do switch over you will get black screen

[nobodyspecial]

My understanding is that they have been switched over. And ever since then they freeze non stop on mag 254 and stub emu systems that 3 weeks ago I was told are compatible but apparently no more and the switch is gonna eventually b on all Chanel’s picture on those Chanel’s was already great so why switch n make many users have too buy new boxes u know what I mean dish u getting no freeze on those Chanel’s cause u probably not a mag user

Actually it’s only 139 that’s freezing non stop the rest are ok tonight

there is a sticky for channel issues Read last post

[nixguy]

who do i report Channel issues to?

[nobodyspecial]

who do i report Channel issues to?

Seriously? Read the post above yours

[The Noof]

Seriously? Read the post above yours

I sometimes wonder why the powers that be bother with a forum at all...lol

[Maestro701]

I sometimes wonder why the powers that be bother with a forum at all...lol

It is much easier to type than to read and understand

[poppy]

what boxes do i have to use to get OK2.

[nobodyspecial]

what boxes do i have to use to get OK2.
lots are mentioned in this thread

[iptvquebec]

what boxes do i have to use to get OK2.

Magbox 256 and up and any Android box with the capacity of 4K H265.

[yotrek]

Any updates on the switch over ?

[herk]

HGTV HD
We tv hd
WWE hd
Action hd
Smithsonian
BC 1
CANAL D
Life hd
Cartoon network hd
ABC HD east
CBC Halifax hd
TSN 3 hd
TSN 5 hd
MUCHMUSIC
CTV news
TMN 2 hd
TMN 3 hd
MLB network hd
Sportsnet Pacific HD
YTV hd
TMN 1 hd
NHL 1 hd
Sportsnet West hd
NHL 3 hd
NHL 4 hd
NHL 5 hd
NHL 2 hd
CTV Halifax hd
Streaming H265

[Dynas]

Still quit a few channels down on ok2 on my Buzz3000 Message says streaming not available. Hopefully they will come back.

[herk]

Still quit a few channels down on ok2 on my Buzz3000 Message says streaming not available. Hopefully they will come back.
Send me a pm with a list English and sports only
Thanks

[raiderz]

Apart from a nicer looking picture and improved audio...is there a setting to view or a way to tell what type of stream is playing? h.264...h.265... i have both Buzz xpl300 and an MXQ android box

[walter]

Apart from a nicer looking picture and improved audio...is there a setting to view or a way to tell what type of stream is playing? h.264...h.265... i have both Buzz xpl300 and an MXQ android box

I haven't had a chance to test yet. Is there a noticable improvement in picture quality on the h.265 channels?

[kevex]

I see no difference than the other channels

[dishuser]

I see no difference than the other channelscheck how much bandwidth you're using compared to others

[leafs99]

Bandwidth major true statement, picture quality a touch better.

[leafs99]

some channels are missing ex CBC Montreal on this list that are streaming h265 . Is the h265 upgrade still ongoing or is it finished now.

HGTV HD
We tv hd
WWE hd
Action hd
Smithsonian
BC 1
CANAL D
Life hd
Cartoon network hd
ABC HD east
CBC Halifax hd
TSN 3 hd
TSN 5 hd
MUCHMUSIC
CTV news
TMN 2 hd
TMN 3 hd
MLB network hd
Sportsnet Pacific HD
YTV hd
TMN 1 hd
NHL 1 hd
Sportsnet West hd
NHL 3 hd
NHL 4 hd
NHL 5 hd
NHL 2 hd
CTV Halifax hd
Streaming H265

[yotrek]

I am sure many more to come ..

[haha11]

Can anyone test the delay on h265 sports chs? What's the delay compare to live game on OTA or radio?

[minonano]

I just tried it on my old A95X (S905X based, 8GB storage and 1GB RAM) box, which I had picked up for $30 during a lightning deal quite a while back, and using the OK2 APK, it works perfectly fine, and there is no lag/syn issues. I tested with the MTL channels which I know are h265. I just had to change the decoder to "native" instead of "hw" which is the default, and it works flawlessly. And surprisingly the channel changes were not that much slower than my Beelink GT1 which is S912 based.

Emporium, I own an old S805 dongle (MK808B Plus), its printed on it H265, but when I use the default player ljk, it shows black screen on those MTL channels, but when I switch to external player (MX) it works perfectly for a couple of minutes then switches back to the staker menu. That seems to tell me that the android dongle hardware seems to handle the H265, and maybe my issue is setting the ljk player correctly. Anyone else with same problem? Thanks
By the way, I even contemplated switching to the OK2.apk as you suggested, but it is a hassle as I will need a user name and password, and my current reseller have retired....

[Mr.FixAll]

You know i put StB emu on mag256 And it runs great.. better then using mag 254

[minonano]

You know i put StB emu on mag256 And it runs great.. better then using mag 254

You mean you checked MAG256 on the STBemu app? And did you try the MTL channels?

[Emporium]

Emporium, I own an old S805 dongle (MK808B Plus), its printed on it H265, but when I use the default player ljk, it shows black screen on those MTL channels, but when I switch to external player (MX) it works perfectly for a couple of minutes then switches back to the staker menu. That seems to tell me that the android dongle hardware seems to handle the H265, and maybe my issue is setting the ljk player correctly. Anyone else with same problem? Thanks
By the way, I even contemplated switching to the OK2.apk as you suggested, but it is a hassle as I will need a user name and password, and my current reseller have retired....

The MK808B Plus as far as I read is not an S805 based unit, it is an M805 based unit (mobile version of the S805). I could be wrong, but from a quick google seach, I saw everywhere M805. Even though the specs are similar for s805 and m805, I am wondering where they cut corners to get the power savings.. Already the S805 h265 support is limited to 1080p (which is fine), but it never really tells us at what bitrate or profiles are supported. Bitrate and profile is very important, since it raises the processing requirements, and the cpu may not be able to handle it. So if they lowered clock speed or any other restrictions, it will affect the ability.

Excluding the few days that the h265 channels had issues, if you continue to experience the same issues, I suspect that the cpu may not be able to keep up with the stream. I don't have any s805/m805 units to test and confirm. MX player is always my goto player for anything, since I find it is the best compromise for efficiency and compatibility. But it is not perfect either.

Maybe someone else with an S805 or M805 based unit can chime in here.

I also no longer use STB emulation, so can't verify that either. I've switched to m3u username/password for my boxes.

[Emporium]

Can anyone test the delay on h265 sports chs? What's the delay compare to live game on OTA or radio?

I don't have any sports channels on OTA, but I did a quick test this morning on Global MTL channel (which is h265), and the delay between OTA version and Streamed version is about 40 seconds.

[minonano]

The MK808B Plus as far as I read is not an S805 based unit
Maybe someone else with an S805 or M805 based unit can chime in here.

I also no longer use STB emulation, so can't verify that either. I've switched to m3u username/password for my boxes.
Problem solved. it's working on all my channels finally. what I had to do is reverting back to the stock Rom instead of the custom Rom. mind you its only 720 but working with no problems on the H265.
Thanks for your help

[Emporium]

Problem solved. it's working on all my channels finally. what I had to do is reverting back to the stock Rom instead of the custom Rom. mind you its only 720 but working with no problems on the H265.
Thanks for your help

Ya, some custom ROMS, leave out some required libraries, or use some that are not 100% compatible with the *exact* hardware. Typically it is not an issue when they are built, since people rarely use the full features of a new device. But as technology catches up (like h265 in this case), then the drawbacks become apparent, for corners that were cut.

[shollywood]

Using the apk on firetvstick, but not getting any video...changed the decoder to native already..just getting the loading icon, then ends up going red. Just did speedtest getting 30MB down so bandwidth shouldnt be an issue

[6666]

Turn off your firestck reboot router once your router is fully loaded open your firstick .. usually when it does that it’s wifi or you didn’t put your username correctly...

[shollywood]

Thanks for the tip but still no go....sigh

[walter]

Where is the best spot or method to report channel issues with OK2?
Channel 100 Sentanta (EIR Sports) is freezing and has no audio.

[dishuser]

Where is the best spot or method to report channel issues with OK2?
Channel 100 Sentanta (EIR Sports) is freezing and has no audio.

why ask if you're going to hijack this thread and say so anyways?
read last post in channel issues thread

[herk]

I have audio:noidea::noidea: .................... :innocent:

[dishuser]

I noticed recently a handful of channels show <<
it's nice to finally have that feature

[Maestro701]

I noticed recently a handful of channels show <<
it's nice to finally have that feature

Yes I noticed it earlier today and the feature works really OK

[Maestro701]

Yes I noticed it earlier today and the feature works really OK

The feature is offline now, hopefully it comes back soon

[T_Tronix]

So this will not work with ROKU right?

[Maestro701]

So this will not work with ROKU right?

Check the specs of the Roku

[nismo]

When playback on quebec channel?! Like on ok3 and diablo.. thanks

[dishuser]

When playback on quebec channel?! Like on ok3 and diablo.. thanks

it's a heavier load on server to have that
ok2 had many channels months ago with it but if demand isn't there why supply it?

[chad1976]

it's a heavier load on server to have that
ok2 had many channels months ago with it but if demand isn't there why supply it?

What the hell have i been tell u guys for 2 months Look at my post.

[dishuser]

What the hell have i been tell u guys for 2 months Look at my post.

to quit drinking and posting?

[Dodgem]

What the hell have i been tell u guys for 2 months Look at my post.I've read the last few and they don't make much sense.

[Maestro701]

I've read the last few and they don't make much sense.

I'm floored....