42 RE transmission solenoid

[TurboPirate]

Hello gang, a bit of help here, got problems with this transmission on my Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 1995, it giving me transmission code 26, something about Governor solenoid, but I also know the TCM of this Grand Cherokee like to burn a relay inside the TCM and a capacitor, anyway I just want your input on this matter..I.......... The Jeep runs perfectly for about 20 minutes then it goes to one speed doesn't want to shift, I wait for 5 minutes and it runs perfectly again, my other Jeep has a different transmission, 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport with AW4 transmission.....Thanks in advance TP

[auggie]

Have a Read here: hxxps://www.jeepforum.com/threads/1995-42re-code-help.281062/

Sounds like the same Problem your having etc. (Junk yard TCM seemed to fix it)

[TurboPirate]

True, I prefer to fix the TCM, it's a relay and a capacitor that needs to be change, thanks

[TurboPirate]

Change the sensors, new oil filter, new ATF+4 fluid and no more code 26, I also adjusted the atv cable, the only thing I noticed is first gear, it feels like I have stall converter, first gear fully applied if a Rev the engine a bit and it wasn't doing that before...........time to check everything else in the transmission...........TP

[TurboPirate]

I found it is not a stall problem, what is happening is that it is not engaging 1st gear, not even if I manually shift into first gear, I might have to remove the transmission to check for something broken, first 3 speeds of this transmission are hydraulic the electronics of this transmission is for 4th gear and torque converter clutch and those work......any ideas what to check before removing the transmission?

[auggie]

Not sure this will help but maybe worth a Look: hxxps://www.cherokeeforum.com/f5/transmission-troubles-42re-263206/

Also what I read is The governor pressure sensor, and solenoid pack are cooked ?

[TurboPirate]

Not sure this will help but maybe worth a Look: hxxps://www.cherokeeforum.com/f5/transmission-troubles-42re-263206/

Also what I read is The governor pressure sensor, and solenoid pack are cooked ?

The governor sensors are new.....

[The Noof]

If both 1st gear modes (manual & auto) yield the same result (no 1st), it isn't electronic...it's mechanical.Manual 1st eliminates the electronics by the valve body directing pressure directly to the appropriate clutch.The PROPER test is to locate 1st gear test port on the trans case & do 2 things:Put the vehicle in the air so the wheels can rotate freely.Start & run it in 1st gear,manual mode.Check the pressure via the test port & compare it to specs.If it's low,shut the vehicle off & air check the clutch pack via the same port.The test results will tell you if it's valve body (hydraulic) or clutch pack.I used this method to PROPERLY diagnose many auto trans/transaxle issue throughout my 44 year career as a self employed auto tech.
Don't keep throwing parts & time at it until it's fixed.

[TurboPirate]

If both 1st gear modes (manual & auto) yield the same result (no 1st), it isn't electronic...it's mechanical.Manual 1st eliminates the electronics by the valve body directing pressure directly to the appropriate clutch.The PROPER test is to locate 1st gear test port on the trans case & do 2 things:Put the vehicle in the air so the wheels can rotate freely.Start & run it in 1st gear,manual mode.Check the pressure via the test port & compare it to specs.If it's low,shut the vehicle off & air check the clutch pack via the same port.The test results will tell you if it's valve body (hydraulic) or clutch pack.I used this method to PROPERLY diagnose many auto trans/transaxle issue throughout my 44 year career as a self employed auto tech.
Don't keep throwing parts & time at it until it's fixed.

Thanks, I installed the solenoids because it gave me code26, after thar it ran perfectly until I had to slammed the brakes a kid ran after his ball when I took off that is when I notice it wasn't running like it was, what happened when I slammed the brakes? No clue, but it did run perfectly after solenoids change and no more code26........I'll check the pressure port.......I did tried manually into 1st gear but it doesn't.......I will also check the solenoids installed if I left something loose....thanks again............TP

[TurboPirate]

The Noof, on the governor solenoid there is a torn bolt, is it for adjustment? On my S10 Chevy 4L60 the EPC has the same bolt, I adjusted a quarter of a turn and I got more solid shifts, on this 42RE what is it for? Thanks, I search but didn't find any information on that.............TP

[The Noof]

The images I've been looking at don't show any fasteners/adjustments at all.Post a link to what you see so I can see what you're looking at.At the end of the day, if you have to "tweak" pressures enough from factory specs to get 1st gear, you will only be covering up the real issue.I don't see how the govenor solenoid will cause the loss of pressure to first gear:it's used for shift point calculation.

[TurboPirate]

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That one, the new solenoid has it too,
I ask for curiosity not to fix the problem, I know this tranny is not the same at all like the 4L60 but I want to know what is it for

[The Noof]

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That one, the new solenoid has it too,
I ask for curiosity not to fix the problem, I know this tranny is not the same at all like the 4L60 but I want to know what is it for

Looks like it may be a calibration adjustment:it probably butts up against a spring inside.Turning it will probably alter pressure of the circuit.

[TurboPirate]

Looks like it may be a calibration adjustment:it probably butts up against a spring inside.Turning it will probably alter pressure of the circuit.

Probably to adjust pressure to a just rebuild transmission, I don't need to because it worked perfectly until I slammed the brakes, thanks for clearing that out............TP

[TurboPirate]

OK, I removed the pan, checked what I did and all is good, assembled everything back and disconnected the battery for a few minutes, I test drive the same thing, but after a full stop I shifted the tranny to Neutral rev the engine up to 1,500rpm for 10 seconds released the gas pedal shifted to Drive and it shifted to 1st gear. What will cause this delay that if I Rev the engine for 10 seconds it will then shift into 1st gear everytime I fully stop? No clue, accumulator? Spring that holds valve in valve body?

[The Noof]

OK, I removed the pan, checked what I did and all is good, assembled everything back and disconnected the battery for a few minutes, I test drive the same thing, but after a full stop I shifted the tranny to Neutral rev the engine up to 1,500rpm for 10 seconds released the gas pedal shifted to Drive and it shifted to 1st gear. What will cause this delay that if I Rev the engine for 10 seconds it will then shift into 1st gear everytime I fully stop? No clue, accumulator? Spring that holds valve in valve body?

Is there any "chatter/shuddering"?It's possible that the circuit drains back after upshifting from first gear,but it should refill faster than tha.Damaged valve/valve body or stuck check ball would be my guess, but I don't like to guess.Do the pressure test as I suggested.

[TurboPirate]

Is there any "chatter/shuddering"?It's possible that the circuit drains back after upshifting from first gear,but it should refill faster than tha.Damaged valve/valve body or stuck check ball would be my guess, but I don't like to guess.Do the pressure test as I suggested.

I called my friend who does the pressure testing and will come home after a few days, in the meantime I think I will remove the valve body and inspect all, maybe I can order the SK TFOD JR. Shift kit........thanks......will upload photos once the VB is removed..........TP

[The Noof]

Cool.........

[TurboPirate]

My friend came home to do the pressure testing, I wasn't home but I left him the keys, he left a note that it seems I have a check valve in the oil cooler lines clogged, replace or delete this check valve and he will again do the pressure test.........

[TurboPirate]

Found the check valve, it seems it's busted, I tried to blow air and almost nothing goes through it, I am deleting this check valve, will report how it behaves ............TP
P.S. I already ordered the shift kit Jr.

[TurboPirate]

Check valve deleted, the delay in reverse is gone, but first gear still have the problem, pressure test shows a bit above specs, my friend mentioned about servo for band that apply 2 gear could be stuck........TP

[TurboPirate]

Today I check for codes in TCM and the code 26 is back, the difference is before it only ran on 3rd gear and now is the first gear problem but it shifts into 3rd, 4th and lock-up.....next week the shift kit jr will arrive I will try old sensors along inspecting the servos/accumulators.....

[TurboPirate]

The Noof........I was searching for installation guide of the TFOD HD2 not the TFOD Jr. But I am confused about the purpose of this kit, is it for manual shift only? Or it can be also for automatic function? It seems everyone who is installing it is for manual shift only, I remember installing one but for 4L60 chevy transmission and it worked fully automatic........the reason I ask is because I am planning to install this kit after I fix all the present issues with the 42RE

[The Noof]

The Noof........I was searching for installation guide of the TFOD HD2 not the TFOD Jr. But I am confused about the purpose of this kit, is it for manual shift only? Or it can be also for automatic function? It seems everyone who is installing it is for manual shift only, I remember installing one but for 4L60 chevy transmission and it worked fully automatic........the reason I ask is because I am planning to install this kit after I fix all the present issues with the 42RE
Send me a link to the kit Turbo.

[TurboPirate]

https://transgo.com/product-details/hd2-reprogramming-gear-command/
This is the one my friend

[The Noof]

Read this line in the description:". Keeping the shift timing at the OE RPMs for optimal engine power curve brings a whole new driving experience to the truck."That tells me it's fully automatic bro.I will caution you about a shift kit on a mature drive train, something they don't tell you when you buy a shift kit:the shifts are MUCH more aggressive, & can be tough on older drivetrain components.Your Jeep has a NP 231 transfer case, which is chain drive to the front diff.They can be problematic with the harshness of an aggressive shift kit.I'ts also tough on differentials with extra lash.Points to consider.

[TurboPirate]

Thanks, all my Jeeps are 2WD, the 42RE was rebuild in 2015 but it only ran 2,300 miles and was left in the back patio until I took it for my personal use, I removed the engine head full rebuild and...

[TurboPirate]

The Noof, found this info in the shift kit jr instructions with the Wrong Gear Starts.....it gave me an idea
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[TurboPirate]

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Found the 4th accumulator spring broken in 4 pieces.........

[TurboPirate]

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Plastic servo looks fine but I'll install an aluminum upgrade I found in the web, everything else looks OK, tomorrow I'll check front and rear servos that are in the transmission case.....let me know if you see something in the photos....I finished the shift kit jr. install

[The Noof]

Concentrate on the probable causes related to 1st gear clutching.The broken accumulator spring with only cause harsh shifting fot the associated gear.Only effect it could have otherwise would be pices of the spring, or the wear it can cause, to get where it doesn't belong.Look carefully at 1st gear clutch seals, piston,check ball,ect.

[TurboPirate]

Agreed, I ordered the repair kit mentioned in the jr. shift kit manual, it has everything to fix the problem I have that starts in 2nd gear.....will report and upload photos when it arrives..........TP
Happy New Year

[The Noof]

Agreed, I ordered the repair kit mentioned in the jr. shift kit manual, it has everything to fix the problem I have that starts in 2nd gear.....will report and upload photos when it arrives..........TP
Happy New Year

Sorry....I thought your initial problem was lack of first.

[TurboPirate]

Sorry....I thought your initial problem was lack of first.

Exactly it goes to 2nd gear when I move the shift lever to D or to 1, the only way it actually goes into first gear is if I rev the engine 1,200rpm for 10 seconds in neutral then move lever to 1 then it applies 1st gear,

https://www.dodgedurango.net/threads/diy-46re-transgo-jr-shift-kit-install.17196/#lg=thread-17196&slide=18 I took apart the VB just like the photos in that link, all good so far the only broken thing I found was the 3-4 accumulator spring but the shift kit had the spring

[TurboPirate]

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I received this part today, still waiting for the gov-sol kit to arrive...........TP

[TurboPirate]

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Kit arrived today and I have the ATSG book I followed the instructions of the TF-GOV-SOL Kit tomorrow will install Valve Body torque to specs new filter, speed sensor and ATF+4 fluid and finally test drive

[Putski]

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Kit arrived today and I have the ATSG book I followed the instructions of the TF-GOV-SOL Kit tomorrow will install Valve Body torque to specs new filter, speed sensor and ATF+4 fluid and finally test drive

I hope this all works out for you!

[TurboPirate]

All the same, I removed the TCM, disconnected the electronic plug to the transmission and still it will only go to first gear if I rev the engine a bit and quickly moved shift lever to #1, the problem is not electronic, it's in the hydraulic system, now is removing transmission from the jeep take it apart and find out what broke when I slammed the brakes......thanks to you all..........where to look now inside the transmission?...............TP

[The Noof]

Sorry to hear it Turbo, but you're gona get dirty now.
If you're going to all the trouble to re & re/disassemble it, check EVERYTHING bro.Pay particular attention to the clutch pack for 1st gear.Take the clutches apart to inspect the frictions as well as the seals.

[dishuser]

when I shredded the clutch pack on my 3 spd hiway shift tranny it was only $110 for the clutch but about $1,600 to install balanced...lol
it was either pay up or keep on taking chances

[The Noof]

when I shredded the clutch pack on my 3 spd hiway shift tranny it was only $110 for the clutch but about $1,600 to install balanced...lol
it was either pay up or keep on taking chances

He's in pretty deep already bro, but I agree 100%.

[TurboPirate]

This is what I found today when I removed the pan, the curious thing is when I get the transmission to 1st gear I can step on the gas and it will smoke the tires, shift to second and tires do some screaming what is stopping the transmission to go to 1st gear manually or automatically...........hummmmmm here the wires thinner than paper clip but thicker than staples29414

[The Noof]

that looks to me to be whats left of a thrust washer or Torrington bearing.

[TurboPirate]

that looks to me to be whats left of a thrust washer or Torrington bearing.
Something that will not allowed the engage 1st gear unless I rev the engine a bit and quickly move shifter to #1? Good thing I started to remove the transmission by removing fluid first......will post photos after the transmission is taken apart........thanks to you all........a transmission rebuild in 2015 ran almost 1,500 miles and was parked until August 2022 that I took it for my personal use, slammed the brakes in no more the 3mph to avoid killing a kid and it ended up in this.......thank God I did see that kid when he ran after his toy ball........TP
Some neighbor told me just remove the overdrive section of the transmission, I am not convinced

[The Noof]

Git 'er done bro.I admire your fortitude.

[TurboPirate]

Git 'er done bro.I admire your fortitude.

Just having lunch and my high pressure pills, torque converter is loose, stater loose, shift selector and TV cable, transmission electric plug and driveshaft removed, need to remove cooler lines and transmission mount to start lowering the thing......

[TurboPirate]

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Noof I am no expert on automatic transmission since 2004 but the stationary where the converter goes I don't like it, tomorrow will open the case, I am done for today........ TP

[The Noof]

Take a look inside the converter.What does the bushing look like?The part that it runs on is called the support.That's the part that looks badly scored.You have to look a little farther into the snout (the oil pump) to see waht that bearing surface looks like, but the bushing in the front of the converter will tell all.I want you to consider that it is a bad problem, but not likely your first gear issue.You have a lot of stuff going on it seems.

[TurboPirate]

Tomorrow is disassemble time, will take photos of everything, for sure I will replace the converter........TP

[TurboPirate]

Good morning, I could finally removed the output shaft speed sensor and it also has metal parts since the sensor is magnetic, I am still taking it apart 2942329425
P.S. an old timer neighbor told me that what I saw at the converter snout is common, to be worried if it looks shiny like recently but it looks old.....just sharing what he said.....

[The Noof]

Good morning, I could finally removed the output shaft speed sensor and it also has metal parts since the sensor is magnetic, I am still taking it apart 2942329425
P.S. an old timer neighbor told me that what I saw at the converter snout is common, to be worried if it looks shiny like recently but it looks old.....just sharing what he said.....

Yes...that's why I said you have to look deeper into the pump, behind the seal area, as well as the support bushing in the converter.The front part of the converter supports are unfinished, non-contact areas.You want to pull the pump out now to get to the clutches.You may have to slide hammer the pump out to remove it.

[TurboPirate]

Did all that, when I got to the OD unit is where I found from where those metals come from.....29426

[TurboPirate]

I removed the first snap ring one that is round that holds the first set of steels and clutch on the OD unit, here is what came out...all done and FUBAR
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P.S. Forgot to mention those are OD clutches
One thing I notice, everything in the case, clutches steels look new, something tells me when this transmission got rebuild they only did the case not the OD unit, I have seen this before.......

[The Noof]

Those are TOAST sir.Be sure when you're done to flush the cooler lines & cooler.The converter will be filthy too, but I heard you say you're replacing it,so that's a non-issue.Keep up the good work.

[TurboPirate]

Thanks but don't go anywhere yet, OD piston and everything back looks old.........and I think there are 2 seals missing behind the oil pump.....2943029431294322943329434

[TurboPirate]

Tell me I am wrong and I need new glasses.....29435

[TurboPirate]

Need more photos of any other section of the transmission? just tell me I will make it happen

[The Noof]

Need more photos of any other section of the transmission? just tell me I will make it happen

No seal rings are missing there (the ones that look like piston rings).There's just 1 on either side of the feed hole they seal off bro.

[The Noof]

Some of the frictions look o.k., but you might as well just get an o/h kit that has all the essentials in it, at this point.Be sure to replace the piston seals in every clutch pack too.You don't wanna do this again.Same applies to the bushings:replace any that look worn.

[TurboPirate]

But the pump has seals? Or I don't see them? I kind of see 2 metal rings but I thought there should be 2 rubber seals........I order a kit that has clutches and steels with gaskets and everything....

https://www.transmissionpartsdistributors.com/a500-42re-42rh-44re-transmission-rebuild-kit-borg-warner-frictions-band-steels-fits-92-98/

[Bluegrass]

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Yikes car talk makes me hot lol

Good to see you mbfam, Hope you and K are doing well my friend!!

Hugs...Dee

[TurboPirate]

All Good msfam, Kyara sends her love and hugs....

[Bluegrass]

All Good msfam, Kyara sends her love and hugs....



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Awww right back at you Kyara
Miss those days of the aweseome girl packs on fta
Such fun !!

[TurboPirate]

No seal rings are missing there (the ones that look like piston rings).There's just 1 on either side of the feed hole they seal off bro.

I need new glasses then, all the rebuild kits I find don't mention the clutch and steels that my transmission broke but the one on the link does mention the OD brake clutch and steels that is why I have it in the cart, unless I'm wrong, hope I got the right one.....

[TurboPirate]

Noof, check this kit, sellers says it has the clutches and steels I am looking for

https://www.ebay.com/itm/263909827181?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D7770 08%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D202207 06173935%26meid%3Da2c28ef7cb8f4e82a21af1ed1b7121db %26pid%3D101526%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone% 26itm%3D263909827181%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D23 80057%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2Mobile&_trksid=p2380057.c101526.m146925&_trkparms=pageci%3A29170d66-9c95-11ed-8a9d-8ed0447d5ddc%7Cparentrq%3Ae85278c11850a9f66c0379ea fffb0302%7Ciid%3A1

[The Noof]

Looks good Turbo, but I would like to see some bushings in there.Examine the thrust washers closely too.Remember to soak the frictions in fresh fluid for a few hours before installation as well.

[TurboPirate]

Bushings photos coming up........

[TurboPirate]

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[TurboPirate]

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[The Noof]

Your going to have to rebush that bro.That thrust washer has seen better days too.You've gone this far:finish it properly.
Do you have a way to compress the springs on the clutch assemblies that have them?You will need to so you can replace the piston seals.I did mine in my press back in the day.

[TurboPirate]

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[The Noof]

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Full rebuild sir.

[TurboPirate]

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When I did the TransGo kit with aluminum 1-2 accumulator I used brand new ATF+4 I collected the fluid for recycling and notice tiny particles that are not magnet, it seems aluminum and I think that is converter internals, anyway I got another converter and gave that one as core......anyway even clutches are good in photo you can see letters on them, all goes new anyway......I got this feeling the OD did not get rebuild, everything looks clean but when I got to the Overdrive Piston dirty, after that piston the clutches (3) and steels that got busted and I am sure when I take the OD unit to the press it will be same, dirty and nothing rebuild. I checked all the bushings we called them same as what crankshaft uses (bearings) but round or some called them "Bronce" all looks replaced.....all that is left to do is opening up the oil pump......thanks let me know if you need more photos, gladly take them and upload them for your input.........TP

[TurboPirate]

OK, I just order the thrust washer kit....

[TurboPirate]

https://www.transmissionpartsdistributors.com/a500-42re-44re-transmission-washer-kit-with-popular-selectives-fits-88-04-jeep-dodge/

https://www.transmissionpartsdistributors.com/a500-a518-a618-47re-47rh-46re-46rh-42re-48re-a904-transmission-bearing-kit-fits-88/
Noof, is this the right one? My transmission is A500/42RE, just want to avoid returning wrong parts via mail, why I don't buy this local? Because the price is not right, I bought the converter locally because it was in the right range..........TP
P.S. all bushing are being replaced, once I start rebuilding something I do it right or best not do anything at all, I don't like to remove transmission a second time because I didn't want to spend a few $

[The Noof]

https://www.transmissionpartsdistributors.com/a500-42re-44re-transmission-washer-kit-with-popular-selectives-fits-88-04-jeep-dodge/
Noof, is this the right one? My transmission is A500/42RE, just want to avoid returning wrong parts via mail, why I don't buy this local? Because the price is not right, I bought the converter locally because it was in the right range..........TP
P.S. all bushing are being replaced, once I start rebuilding something I do it right or best not do anything at all, I don't like to remove transmission a second time because I didn't want to spend a few $

It states it's for a 42RE bro, so it must be the one you need.

[TurboPirate]

Check the second link, I am sure you replied when I was editing, the reason I asked is because after purchasing the system canceled order with warning of incompatible, but I will email them for those 2 purchases

[TurboPirate]

While those parts arrived I am replacing the crankshaft rear seal and the freeze plug on engine block, I already did the freeze plugs when I removed the engine head but that one, right behind the flywheel, another thing I forgot to mention, the cooler lines where glued with gray silicone and instead of a clip it seems they used wire hanger to lock the lines in place, let me take photo of the damage, I am thinking to replace with flare fittings........TP

[TurboPirate]

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Call me paranoid or my OCD is kicking in but the reverse band in the middle section is missing a piece? I think there should be an O ring at the end of the overdrive piston housing,,,those are the cooler line fittings I mentioned were glued with Grey silicone.
I am still in the cleaning process not done yet that is why the transmission case looks like that, it needs more scrubbing time......TP

[The Noof]

That brake band has a boo boo alright.Is the drum it goes around marked?The band looks like it may be crumbly?In any case...
As far as the o-ring is concerned, you better take a close look at a proper exploded view to make sure.The groove you're pointing at looks more like a snap ring groove to me.

[TurboPirate]

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They look OK, I used pick and also a penny to feel irregularities but none............

[really_troubled]

good thread, nice to see

kudos Noof, in a different thread I took issue with something you said that I thought was inaccurate (basically nitpicking), well I take it back and then some ... it's not often you see someone that has the knowledge, to take the time to give an honest evaluation and opinion

[The Noof]

good thread, nice to see

kudos Noof, in a different thread I took issue with something you said that I thought was inaccurate (basically nitpicking), well I take it back and then some ... it's not often you see someone that has the knowledge, to take the time to give an honest evaluation and opinion

No harm...no fowl bro.There's nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, or disagreeing with one.lol.

[TurboPirate]

The thrust washer kit and bearing kit from both links are on their way I also order pliers for transmissions, I have the snap ring pliers, locally I bought the reverse band, now I am in the search of dorman 800-610 fittings, a comrade from the old days lend me the tools to compress some parts of the transmission that has springs but the press for the OD unit I have to take it to my local machine shop, he said he made the tool for that job I have to bring the intermediate shaft to align everything and new snap ring since it is not reusable..........TP

[The Noof]

Good job sir!

[The Noof]

Any updates bro?

[TurboPirate]

According to track numbers all in transit, I had to buy snap ring with different thickness when I was re-checking everything I noticed that snap ring bended when I removed it, I believe is called the intermediate shaft snap ring, I also order the spacer of the Overdrive piston, I checked the "clearness"< I don't think that is the proper word....between the piston spacer with bearing with the ATSG book and it was way off......allow me to upload photos of what I am saying

[The Noof]

Some of the snap rings are selective in order to adjust & control end play.

[TurboPirate]

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The Snap Ring bended completely to FUBAR.
I also can't find Dorman 800-610 29472
I took the OD unit to hydraulic press on Monday I will get it back for inspection and cleaning...........

[TurboPirate]

Some of the snap rings are selective in order to adjust & control end play.

I think the wrong size was installed because it bended.....I order the set that has different thickness also like in photo the shim with different thickness for OD unit

[auggie]

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The Snap Ring bended completely to FUBAR.
I also can't find Dorman 800-610 29472
I took the OD unit to hydraulic press on Monday I will get it back for inspection and cleaning...........

Are you looking for This: hxxps://www.amazon.ca/Dorman-800-610-Automatic-Transmission-Connector/dp/B000EQ67MK

[TurboPirate]

Yep that is the item I need 2, that site is for Canada, sure it will be a pita to ship to PR, that site USA it's giving me a headache for the same reason, I did order some tools for automatic transmission repair with no problems but this item is killing me.....thanks

[auggie]

I also saw a listing for same at Autozone.com

[TurboPirate]

Auto Zone is out of stock no date when it will be available that is why I started looking online, at least I know that item can be install last even of transmission is up on the Jeep
The photo of the item I uploaded is from AZ

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This place says it ships to PR & it lists the Part: hxxps://www.northernautoparts.com/TermsConditions.cfm#Shipping

[TurboPirate]

Thanks, ordered

[TurboPirate]

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This parts arrived and the master full set........

[TurboPirate]

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Assembly time, wish me good luck luck and lots of patience..lol

[The Noof]

Take your time, be clean & think it through.Any doubts at all,stop & clarify.Do so & you will be fine...you won't need luck because skill & common sense will prevail.Worked for me that way for 47 years.

[The Noof]

ps...don't forget to soak the frictions for a few hours before assembly.

[TurboPirate]

Yes sir, I got the perfect place to soak everything before assembly, also Vaseline for assembly

[TurboPirate]

It seems the kit has an upgrade or something I am doing wrong, the clutches that got burned were only 3 the kit has 4.........according to the ATSG book it has 3 clutches

[The Noof]

It seems the kit has an upgrade or something I am doing wrong, the clutches that got burned were only 3 the kit has 4.........according to the ATSG book it has 3 clutches

Many trans kits will cover several models of the same transmission bro.There must be a build that has an extra friction in that clutch, but not yours.Do as the manual for your model, or replicate what you had.You should check clearance when the clutch packs are assembled anyways.

[TurboPirate]

Thanks, Replicating all, I bought the shim for the Overdrive section to avoid this again, everything in the transmission was good but those clutches, possibilities? I was told one of those possibilities was the clearance was not checked when assembled last time and cause those clutches to burn, inside the overdrive unit all was good, planetary was good bearing and washer, it is back in the press for assembly with new snap ring

[TurboPirate]

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I forgot to upload this photos, all is clean now

[TurboPirate]

29494294952949629497 and this.....

[TurboPirate]

Got the reverse band but can't find the overdrive snap ring at any local store........everything else I almost finished assembly
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Got the reverse band but can't find the overdrive snap ring at any local store........everything else I almost finished assembly
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Try here maybe: hxxps://www.oregonperformancetransmission.com/product/NTP-12286.html

[TurboPirate]

Let's see if they don't refund the money after purchase like other parts I tried.....thanks

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Let's see if they don't refund the money after purchase like other parts I tried.....thanks

Maybe here as well: hxxps://transmissioncenter.net/

[TurboPirate]

2951029511all thrust washer I have replaced with new ones, all Torrington Bearing also replaced...

[TurboPirate]

29512 The overdrive piston bearing will be install last
All Torrington bearing were good but since the transmission is open I prefer to do the job one time........

[TurboPirate]

Noof, quick question/consult.....I was given many supposedly upgrades to the overdrive brake clutch pack, my A500/42RE has only 3 clutches steels in between and at both ends a pressure plate, one thicker than the other, I was suggested to remove one of the pressure plate and add more clutches and steels and obviously measure the clearance between this pack the spacer (selective, I have 3 different sizes) and Torrington bearing........I can go by the book on this but I prefer to hear what you think on this "upgrade".....I was suggested to do illustration #4 or at least #3
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Got the reverse band but can't find the overdrive snap ring at any local store........everything else I almost finished assembly
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Did you get the overdrive snap ring you were looking for ?

[TurboPirate]

Yes, at eBay, had to buy a kit that has all the snap rings of the Overdrive section only

[The Noof]

Noof, quick question/consult.....I was given many supposedly upgrades to the overdrive brake clutch pack, my A500/42RE has only 3 clutches steels in between and at both ends a pressure plate, one thicker than the other, I was suggested to remove one of the pressure plate and add more clutches and steels and obviously measure the clearance between this pack the spacer (selective, I have 3 different sizes) and Torrington bearing........I can go by the book on this but I prefer to hear what you think on this "upgrade".....I was suggested to do illustration #4 or at least #3
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If you're removing the steel that's adjacent to the apply piston in the clutch, don't do it.What you gain in friction area, you lose in clutch strength.The thick steel is there for a good reason.I would stick to the factory allocation.After all, it came with that clutch configuration & worked well for some time.You do this build right & it will outlast your Jeep.

[TurboPirate]

Thanks, that is what I wanted to hear.

[TurboPirate]

Got the snap ring, Saturday will take the overdrive unit to the hydraulic press, the oil cooler fittings a friend who lives in Kentucky is going to send them to me, every place I tried it ended up refunding the money with shipping included.....29526

[TurboPirate]

The Overdrive is fully assembled, the overdrive brake clutch pressure plate and reaction plate were damaged my friend with a lathe fixed both surfaces and this is what he did, from both plates he took from the surfaces enough to fit one clutch and one plate, I checked the clearance used the spacer fix from sonnax, now I am assembling the case, both planetary are installed, I am going to recheck clearance on the drums as specified in the ATSG book before installing them in the case..........TP

[TurboPirate]

Transmission is up, hold with 2 bolts, torque converter with 1 quart of ATF+4 in it, Transmission mount installed I also installed the speed sensor and the speedometer sensor, tomorrow will finish starting with the bolts remaining and the torque converter bolts and starter, tube for dipstick and finally the drive shaft, after I make sure all is torqued will install the oil cooler lines and final touch the fluid.........will report if doesn't rain again..........thanks for the help TP.

[Putski]

It is a good Idea to flush out the Radiator and old lines before running it...

Best of Luck!

[TurboPirate]

Finally finished new ATF +4 fluid checked level and ran test, no codes but it runs like manual transmission it won't go in to first gear in D I have to shift in to 1 gear and shift manually, rechecked all electrical connections and checked for codes the only code is 55 in the O/D light that means there are no trouble codes, speedometer works and all the tranny sensors are new, I adjusted the throttle cable a few times the only thing I have to recheck is the band adjustment, Reverse applies solid but D goes into 3rd gear......

[The Noof]

Good morning all...sorry that i missed your post, but it's been awhile & assumed you got it working.This beast just doesn't want to help us out.lol.
If you're able to select all gears manually,including 1st,that tells me that the hard mechanicals are good & working properly,such as clutch piston seals,brake band,ect.You are down to controls, like valve body,ect.When you select the gear manually,you are by-passing shift valves,solenoids,throttle pressure,governor pressure,ect.The fluid goes from pump,to manual valve,to clutch & away you go.It's been awhile since I've played with an older unit like yours, so I'm not sure what you can do with a good diagnostics tool on that model.If you have access to a GOOD scan tool,it may help you confirm/eliminate electronics, or show lack of electronic controlled hydraulics.This is difficult for me to do from here,but we won't give up bro.I don't want you to keep throwing parts at it until it's fixed either.

[TurboPirate]

I think I found the problem, yesterday I removed pan and replaced the new solenoid (governor) with the old damage one and I got first gear only and code 26 back again, I am ordering new solenoid this time the Borg Wagner one, as soon as I can come up with more money I'll do the ultimate upgrade with DNJ solenoid that uses the GM solenoid and comes with the wiring adapter and housing for new GM solenoid...........but until then I will keep you up to date.......TP



https://www.dnjcomponents.com/products/d-cf1
The Noof, forgot to mention the O/D brake clutch I had to add 1 more clutch and 1 steel because both pressure plate were damaged on the surface, my friend with a Lathe measure and took from each surface enough to add those 2 parts and keep the same size 4th and lock up work perfectly without the winding noise it had before, the noise was the spacer for rear piston was not the proper size and was applied 4th before the piston was pressing the big spring in the O/D unit, so that part is perfect now thanks to Sonnax spacers and checking clearance 3 to 4 times before assembly

[The Noof]

Sounds better from here bro!

[TurboPirate]

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This is the one I got, it is adjustable it ran like baby.........

[The Noof]

If I may just ONCE get away with profanity...halla phuckin' yulla bro!Patience & thought processes are virtues long lost.Congrats on solving problems that very few could solve.

[TurboPirate]

Next Post will be a 4L60E from 2000 Chevy S10 Xtreem.........it's been parked for 7 years now since the transmission went bad.......