Garage door opener Problem.

[TurboPirate]

Hello guys, sorry if I am posting wrong section but I didn't find where...........
For more than 4 years I installed in my Mom's house a garage door opener but here in Puerto Rico because of the temp we don't use those door that goes UP to open and down to close, we use open gate so wind can go threw and refresh the house, so the garage if you stand in front of it half opens out the other half also, just like a book, so what the problem? The problem is that the motor opens a closes the gate no problem but it was design to pull for open and push for close, because of the design we have pull for close and push to open, so if the sensor detects some thing in the middle instead of opening by pulling back it really closes, Someone told me I have to invert the polarity of the motor, it has being done, so I took the cover of the motor and found motor has 3 wires, 1 white, 1 red connected to capacitor and black is the 3rd I believe, so now I am lost how to invert the polarity! do you guys know how to invert this???????????????Thanks in advance TURBO.
Garage opener Model number is
Model 139.53910D Craftsman 1/2 HP.

[Terryl]

It's an AC motor you cant reverse it by running the electricity the other direction as with AC it goes both ways all the time, you need a DC motor to do that.

You could reverse the gears if it had some, or put a 1/2 twist in the belt this would reverse the directions.

[TurboPirate]

It's an AC motor you cant reverse it by running the electricity the other direction as with AC it goes both ways all the time, you need a DC motor to do that.

You could reverse the gears if it had some, or put a 1/2 twist in the belt this would reverse the directions.

It has a chain like bicycles, I completely understand what you say but at sears they told me it can be reverse, Tomorrow I'll take some photos of the thingy without the cover so you can see the plastic gears and more.
Something I just remember, he said to find the wires that have the power to move the motor and identify wish are the ones, then one that makes the motor rotate left and wish makes it rotate right, those 2 are the one to invert but I am wayyyyyyyyyyy to afraid to check that with the power connected to electricity.
Thanks Terryl

[StanW]

Looks like its one popular garage door opener - just google Model 139.53910D Craftsman - lots of hits.

[TurboPirate]

Looks like its one popular garage door opener - just google Model 139.53910D Craftsman - lots of hits.

Lol I did google before posting but nothing about reversing polarity, I guess all garage doors in USA are the same type and none have what we use down here, ty

[TurboPirate]

Looks like its one popular garage door opener - just google Model 139.53910D Craftsman - lots of hits.

Let me tell you, it works flawlessly for a cheap unit, it can get cheaper then that one, but I wish to make it work, the sensors does it's job and if I walk in front of the sensor it does the job but here pulling up is not opening it is actually closing, lol tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload a video, just for the fun of learning and to show you the motor inside, maybe by you looking inside might know and tell me what gear I can flip and don't have to reverse polarity.

[TurboPirate]

I was checking the motor and if I flip the gears it will do the same thing, it will nor reverse rotation. Now I was watching the cables (wires) of the motor and I made 1 mistake, it was not red white and black, it really is white red and blue, White is connected directly to the wall outlet, red is connected to capacitor with another red that goes to the board (computer I call it) blue is connected to the other side of the capacitor and to the board (computer) this is what I think makes the motor rotate left and right.

[TurboPirate]

Also got this photos......................

[n3uspeed2]

Hello guys, sorry if I am posting wrong section but I didn't find where...........
For more than 4 years I installed in my Mom's house a garage door opener but here in Puerto Rico because of the temp we don't use those door that goes UP to open and down to close, we use open gate so wind can go threw and refresh the house, so the garage if you stand in front of it half opens out the other half also, just like a book, so what the problem? The problem is that the motor opens a closes the gate no problem but it was design to pull for open and push for close, because of the design we have pull for close and push to open, so if the sensor detects some thing in the middle instead of opening by pulling back it really closes, Someone told me I have to invert the polarity of the motor, it has being done, so I took the cover of the motor and found motor has 3 wires, 1 white, 1 red connected to capacitor and black is the 3rd I believe, so now I am lost how to invert the polarity! do you guys know how to invert this???????????????Thanks in advance TURBO.
Garage opener Model number is
Model 139.53910D Craftsman 1/2 HP.

I hate to say this but I had alot of Craftsman garage openers in my rental homes they are junk. end up replacing them with Chamberlain Whisper Drive WD822KD

[Night Prowler]

I think you have to invert the motor itself......not the wires.....:noidea:

[TurboPirate]

This model I have it is not made by Sears it is a 100% Chamberlain, my sister has a chamberlain and when I bought this Craftsman for my mom I had to take the cover off of my sister's chamberlain and...

[Night Prowler]

looks like a nice drawing.......:D.....better wait for an electronic wizard to answer though....:thumbsup:

[TurboPirate]

I was thinking the red and blue wires are the ones that make the motor go left and right, but I need some one that knows electricity that can tell what are those 2 wires for, I guess white is the wire called (common)
Sorry guys I forgot to take photo of the gate.

[Night Prowler]

I was thinking the red and blue wires are the ones that make the motor go left and right, but I need some one that knows electricity that can tell what are those 2 wires for, I guess white is the wire called (common)
Sorry guys I forgot to take photo of the gate.

I would be guessing the red and blue also.....but.....switch them before or after the capacitor is the question?.......:noidea:

[Terryl]

Just checked with a service tech I know, he says that the motor has dual windings, this is so it can be reversed, the red and blue wires are the ones that control the direction, the white wire is the neutral, there is a reversing switch that tells the motor that there is too big a load or something in the way and causes the motor to stop then go the other way, this is the one you need to look at if you want it to go the opposite direction then normal when it hits an object.

I wish I had a schematic of the opener, it would tell me what wires to switch.

[TurboPirate]

I hate to say this but I had alot of Craftsman garage openers in my rental homes they are junk. end up replacing them with Chamberlain Whisper Drive WD822KD

I installed in one of my clients, a craftsman garage opener that it was like horizontal with a light bulb on each side......man that was junk, he ended up getting his money back and bought the Chamberlain that is the same Craftsman I have, problem solved, so I am saying that you are right, chamberlain is the best, if you come across with a craftsman that you recognize is a chamberlain, buy it if its cheaper then with the chamberlain name on it.

[Night Prowler]

the Craftsman/Chamberlain/Liftmaster are all manufactured by Liftmaster.....just labeled for where they sell them.....:D

[TurboPirate]

I wish I had a schematic of the opener, it would tell me what wires to switch.

Let me see if I can find it..............................

[TurboPirate]

I wish I had a schematic of the opener, it would tell me what wires to switch.

This is the best I found..........page 38

[Night Prowler]

check on the motor housing or the ECU.......should be a schematic stuck on there somewhere......:thumbsup:

[TurboPirate]

check on the motor housing or the ECU.......should be a schematic stuck on there somewhere......:thumbsup:

OK, I'll check tomorrow because I am already in my home...............Let me upload more photos

[TurboPirate]

I think this will show why I need to invert polarity, sensors detect movement and instead of opening to avoid injury it really closes and can pin someone. I told my daughter Nicole to take this photos and send them to me...............

[TurboPirate]

I tried inverting the motor wires that goes to capacitor (red and blue) and nothing, it only moves to one side now....closing wish on a normal USA gate will be opening.

What I'm going to do is, eliminate the sensors, so if a kid steps in it wont crush him............

[TurboPirate]

I tried inverting the motor wires that goes to capacitor (red and blue) and nothing, it only moves to one side now....closing wish on a normal USA gate will be opening.

What I'm going to do is, eliminate the sensors, so if a kid steps in it wont crush him............

I did elaborate good enough, let me explain again. I close the gate where the motor is design to open, meaning the trolley is all the way close to the motor, there I unplugged the power cord, I inverted the red and blue wires, replugged the power, when I hit the button what it did was trying to close the gate wish it was already closed ( tried to pull the trolley back.) Using logic now I think I have to invert something else not just the motor, maybe the wires where the plastic bolts are to adjust how far down or how far up. Or maybe at the back of the opener there are 2 more adjusting bolts with Kilograms icon.
You guys decide what should I try next.
If I wasn't clear enough let me know I'll explain again, it wont bother me, I recognize English is not my best and I'll start all over again if I have to. Trust me, it wont bother me at all my friends. and ty for all your help.

BTW, I check the board (ECU) and didn't find the schematic near it,

[TurboPirate]

Just checked with a service tech I know, he says that the motor has dual windings, this is so it can be reversed, the red and blue wires are the ones that control the direction, the white wire is the neutral, there is a reversing switch that tells the motor that there is too big a load or something in the way and causes the motor to stop then go the other way, this is the one you need to look at if you want it to go the opposite direction then normal when it hits an object.

I wish I had a schematic of the opener, it would tell me what wires to switch.
Would those be the ones at the back with kilograms icon on it? Page 32 of the manual I up loaded, the black square with white dials.?? check it out page 32.

[Stile88]

This is the best I found..........page 38

after looking at this manual turbo yes the limit switch is where you want to do the adjustments...without having or seeing how limit switch is connected to board you have a down contact which is brown wire and and up contact which is yellow these should be connected to wires on the board those to me is what you want to switch

[TurboPirate]

after looking at this manual turbo yes the limit switch is where you want to do the adjustments...without having or seeing how limit switch is connected to board you have a down contact which is brown wire and and up contact which is yellow these should be connected to wires on the board those to me is what you want to switch

Thanks my friend, I was thinking there is the problem, but do you think I should invert the polarity there and the capacitor to??????????or only invert in one place? ty

[Stile88]

Thanks my friend, I was thinking there is the problem, but do you think I should invert the polarity there and the capacitor to??????????or only invert in one place? ty



if there is dual windings on motor you wont be able to reverse it with swapping leads that way as Terryl has stated...the adjustments are going to be at limit switch...

[eyeQ]

Let me tell you, it works flawlessly for a cheap unit, it can get cheaper then that one, but I wish to make it work, the sensors does it's job and if I walk in front of the sensor it does the job but here pulling up is not opening it is actually closing, lol tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload a video, just for the fun of learning and to show you the motor inside, maybe by you looking inside might know and tell me what gear I can flip and don't have to reverse polarity.

Did you try to make adjustments with Force Controls and Limit Controls?



There's no difference if the garage are closing up and down or opening sideways (both are pulled and pushed) :tehe:

sorry I'm a reader and break everything first then fix it :okay:

[TurboPirate]

Did you try to make adjustments with Force Controls and Limit Controls?



There's no difference if the garage are closing up and down or opening sideways (both are pulled and pushed) :tehe:

sorry I'm a reader and break everything first then fix it :okay:

The thing is the security feature of the garage openers is if the sensor detect something in the middle it will pull UP open the gate to avoid injury, in the style of gate I have if something its in the middle it will pull and this closes the gate injuring someone, a kid a pet or my mom. So I have to reverse the polarity so when this happens instead of pulling the trolley back up it pushes it far out where this type of gate it really opens, check the photos of my gate so you see it works opposite then the gate that rolls UP........The motor has being working flawlessly since we bought it and installed it, but really after 4 years it is getting on my nerves that will hurt someone, it has the security feature I just need it backwards for proper operation.............

[eyeQ]

any testing done with the force and limit controls? start with the lighter pull

[TurboPirate]

any testing done with the force and limit controls? start with the lighter pull

I'll do the test with limit controls tomorrow when I get to my mom's house again.

[TurboPirate]

EyeQ, I did the reverse cables at the limits, brown and yellow wires and it didn't work a 100%, so I looked at how the motor reacted and found out or got to the conclusion that I had to reverse something else not just the limits, so I reverse the wires at the capacitor blue and red and ended up with red with blue and blue with red, at the limits I ended up with, the yellow was is the brown and where the brown was is the yellow, I plugged the power, gave it a shot and WALA!!!!!!!!!!!! it worked without hitting or anything, I test the security feature and it worked, now it really opens the gate if sensor detects something in the middle, I have to thank you all, with all of your replays I added them and used some logic and now my mom and I can sleep knowing the gate will not harm anyone or any pet......................Thanks a lot.

[eyeQ]

Good job Turbo.....:thumbsup:

[TurboPirate]

Good job Turbo.....:thumbsup:

LOL actually, good job to you guys.:thumbsup::yeaah:

[Stile88]

glad it worked out for ya bro just like our hobby electricity is just like testing....

[Night Prowler]

great job turbo!!!!!! :thumbsup: something else to add to your resume'.........:D

[TurboPirate]

great job turbo!!!!!! :thumbsup: something else to add to your resume'.........:D

Lol, I didn't think of it,,,, good idea!!!!!!!!!! thanks to you guys.:yeaah:

[Terryl]

Yah if you didnt let the smoke out of it, it was a good job.

[TurboPirate]

Yah if you didnt let the smoke out of it, it was a good job.

Lol, every time I was reversing some wires, my mom and I were waiting for some smoke to come out but it never did.

[juanvm]

EyeQ, I did the reverse cables at the limits, brown and yellow wires and it didn't work a 100%, so I looked at how the motor reacted and found out or got to the conclusion that I had to reverse something else not just the limits, so I reverse the wires at the capacitor blue and red and ended up with red with blue and blue with red, at the limits I ended up with, the yellow was is the brown and where the brown was is the yellow, I plugged the power, gave it a shot and WALA!!!!!!!!!!!! it worked without hitting or anything, I test the security feature and it worked, now it really opens the gate if sensor detects something in the middle, I have to thank you all, with all of your replays I added them and used some logic and now my mom and I can sleep knowing the gate will not harm anyone or any pet......................Thanks a lot.

Hello
I"m in the process of installing a 3/4 hp craftman garage door opener, but in my case it will open an sliding gate, I also need to reverse the motor direction. I read your instruction, but there are not clear, for me, there are two big capacitors side by side, the one at the left have two heavy gauge wires that connect to the motor, one red the other blue and a smaller gauge red wire that connects to control board; did you reverse the two heavy gauge wires on the left capacitor (the red with the blue and reconnected the red wire were the blue was....... did you had to reverse the red and blue wires on the right capacitor also???? In other words you switched both capacitors wires or just the one that connects to the motor.

Could you please clarify, thanks in advance

Juan

[eyeQ]

Hello
I"m in the process of installing a 3/4 hp craftman garage door opener, but in my case it will open an sliding gate, I also need to reverse the motor direction. I read your instruction, but there are not clear, for me, there are two big capacitors side by side, the one at the left have two heavy gauge wires that connect to the motor, one red the other blue and a smaller gauge red wire that connects to control board; did you reverse the two heavy gauge wires on the left capacitor (the red with the blue and reconnected the red wire were the blue was....... did you had to reverse the red and blue wires on the right capacitor also???? In other words you switched both capacitors wires or just the one that connects to the motor.

Could you please clarify, thanks in advance

Juan

check his post #33 and follow his direction.

[juanvm]

check his post #33 and follow his direction.

Those are the instructions that I read but not sure if he means to swap the wires in one capacitor or in both capacitors, please refer to the attachment.........

Thanks

Edit: Solved: you have to interchange the red and blue wires at the control circuit board black female connector and reverse the limit wires, thanks........................

[clarkBENT]

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[TurboPirate]

Those are the instructions that I read but not sure if he means to swap the wires in one capacitor or in both capacitors, please refer to the attachment.........

Thanks

Edit: Solved: you have to interchange the red and blue wires at the control circuit board black female connector and reverse the limit wires, thanks........................

Hello, it was a few months a go but still remember what I did, at the Capacitor I sawp the wires, red with blue and blue with red, then at the limits adjusters I also swap the wires and re adjust the limits, remember by doing this the limits will work opposite of the drawings........................Also check the first few post and will find more photos of what I did and where I did. In my case there was only 1 capacitor.
Good Luck TURBO.