I just wish they crack N3

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With all the problems with IKS.... I just wish they crack N3!
It was made by man.... It can be cracked by man. {wish I could}
I wondering if there is a Golden Coder Boy somewhere!
This would make more sense then having brands waste their resources on supplying IKS. I think it could be all about the money too!
:noidea:
This is just a WISH and not a bash.

[dogsie]

With all the problems with IKS.... I just wish they crack N3!
It was made by man.... It can be cracked by man. {wish I could}
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:noidea:
This is just a WISH and not a bash.

It probably needs the intuition and skills of a woman to crack it!

[ANTENNAHOUSE]

I agree ! IKS is a big waste ! Look at all the stb's bought and now a door stop ! Then you have to wonder are the stb makers trying to convert to newer technology but failed! I cant see spending $200 dollars every six months for a new stb then find oh we no longer have support! Probably best to wait a few years till all wash out and see whats if any!

[rsg]

after a stand alone ,how many boxes will you buy? its all about money. If there is a fix, it will probably be run by iks anyways.

[JCO]

I agree ! IKS is a big waste ! Look at all the stb's bought and now a door stop ! Then you have to wonder are the stb makers trying to convert to newer technology but failed! I cant see spending $200 dollars every six months for a new stb then find oh we no longer have support! Probably best to wait a few years till all wash out and see whats if any!

Ummm I remember reading that in the N2 days boxes where also loosing support...Neosat, Ariza and a lot more names come to mind..:innocent:

[hammer10]

I agree ! IKS is a big waste ! Look at all the stb's bought and now a door stop ! Then you have to wonder are the stb makers trying to convert to newer technology but failed! I cant see spending $200 dollars every six months for a new stb then find oh we no longer have support! Probably best to wait a few years till all wash out and see whats if any!

Your post is out in left field. Anybody that does proper research buys a box based on reputation.
Therefore based on my statement, anybody that has a CNX,VS, NF,CW Sonic did their homework and they are watching tv. I don't believe these users have spent 200 bucks every six mths and are using what had back in the N2 days.
Yup, If I knew I could get free tv with a box I was using with N2 today, I think I would do some reasearch and find out how. :thumbsup:

[JCO]

Your post is out in left field. Anybody that does proper research buys a box based on reputation.
Therefore based on my statement, anybody that has a CNX,VS, NF,CW Sonic did their homework and they are watching tv. I don't believe these users have spent 200 bucks every six mths and are using what what had back in the N2 days.
Yup, If I knew I could get free tv with a box I was using with N2 today, I think I would do some reasearch and find out how. :thumbsup:

And the answer is coolsats with rlink, cnx mini's duo's and trios with dongles( those cnx may be the longest supported boxes), vs's with the weathercaster..:thumbsup:

[DaPlayer]

Sorry, But i don't not see a Nagra 3 fix release, Period.

TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE IKS Private server world.

If it wasn't for the private servers, I would bet that a bin release would have already happened!
Way too many smart coders out there.
Now it's about the cash that can be made from this.

I actually believe that it has already been cracked, but why release it when so many companys, people etc, are making huge bucks keeping it the way it is.
Do you actually believe that they want a bin release, NO WAY. They would be done.
They are more then likely the ones keeping the bin from being released!

I hate to say, and hope I am wrong, but the bins of the past are just that, in the past.
I think IKS is here to stay, untill somebody Gets paid HUGE bucks to release the bin.

I have been around since the begining of this stuff, and it has changed Drasticly from the start. Change this, convert your STB to something else, change bins, Jtag, IKS.

Sorry, but this is the reality for the meantime.

Some MIT student out there needs to have an experiment to see who can release the Crack to the world the quickest.

I just think it is airagent to think it hasent been cracked.

Just my thoughts.

DaPlayer

[struct]

Sorry, But i don't not see a Nagra 3 fix release, Period.

TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE IKS Private server world.

If it wasn't for the private servers, I would bet that a bin release would have already happened!
Way too many smart coders out there.
Now it's about the cash that can be made from this.

I actually believe that it has already been cracked, but why release it when so many companys, people etc, are making huge bucks keeping it the way it is.
Do you actually believe that they want a bin release, NO WAY. They would be done.
They are more then likely the ones keeping the bin from being released!

I hate to say, and hope I am wrong, but the bins of the past are just that, in the past.
I think IKS is here to stay, untill somebody Gets paid HUGE bucks to release the bin.

I have been around since the begining of this stuff, and it has changed Drasticly from the start. Change this, convert your STB to something else, change bins, Jtag, IKS.

Sorry, but this is the reality for the meantime.

Some MIT student out there needs to have an experiment to see who can release the Crack to the world the quickest.

I just think it is airagent to think it hasent been cracked.

Just my thoughts.

DaPlayer


If it was cracked, why would it be withheld by all stds running iks and private servers? its not cracked my friend, until you see ppvs running none stop, then you can assume its been cracked.

[rsg]

personally , if it was cracked i would still run iks server and squeeze as much as i could out of it,, before others get their hands on it. I bet you, coders in china and india, can break this thing....lol

[DaPlayer]

True.

Like i said, somebody out there has the crack. I never speculated that the crack was from an STB manufactor.

Even if in the past the manufactor was the ones releasing the bins.

Just wondering, how many Private servers out the are being supported by STB manufactors?

Anyway, back to work.. Lunch is over!

Be good.

DaPlayer

[profit]

I think 10 Million will bring N3 out of the closet.

[rsg]

lol......agreed.

[Dabbler50]

With all the problems with IKS.... I just wish they crack N3!
It was made by man.... It can be cracked by man. {wish I could}
I wondering if there is a Golden Coder Boy somewhere!
This would make more sense then having brands waste their resources on supplying IKS. I think it could be all about the money too!
:noidea:
This is just a WISH and not a bash.
For you that think that the N3 maybe cracked........who would like to release the bins and put themselves at the risk of prosecution by the big Sat companies? Think about it the Sat companies are spending mega dollars to prosecute anyone that may even be relatively involved, including shutting down sites and private servers.........If you think for one moment they won't track you down, you are living in a dream world. The only thing that the governments haven't been able to do is track down Bin Laden and he isn't leaveing an electronic trail.......

[c8rbk1ng]

I wondering if there is a Golden Coder Boy somewhere!


There is/was. Google the name chris tarnovsky

[ghosttecra]

There is/was. Google the name chris tarnovsky

ya well I hate to say it but anyone who knows about this stuff if someone where to try to release the bin to fix N3 then the "satrats" will catch the person from the point of upload because if you think that they aren't on forums like this and not reading postings about this stuff.... then you are a fool... lol sorry I don't mean to be negative but lets look at the sites that have gone down as of late (last 6 months most).... they have been dropping like flies:bawl:... So to be realistic I'm happy with what is out there now... I will just wait to see what happens. Should be interesting to say the least... would be happy as well can't say politely if the pipe dream of IKS2 would come out.... seen as how all that would be would be a bin fix and all is good.

[c8rbk1ng]

ya well I hate to say it but anyone who knows about this stuff if someone where to try to release the bin to fix N3 then the "satrats" will catch the person from the point of upload because if you think that they aren't on forums like this and not reading postings about this stuff.... then you are a fool... lol sorry I don't mean to be negative but lets look at the sites that have gone down as of late (last 6 months most).... they have been dropping like flies:bawl:... So to be realistic I'm happy with what is out there now... I will just wait to see what happens. Should be interesting to say the least... would be happy as well can't say politely if the pipe dream of IKS2 would come out.... seen as how all that would be would be a bin fix and all is good.

Nobody's a fool if you've been in this hobby as long as I have. Maybe the newbies haven't a clue but the "oldtimers" know exactly what the deal is. If you know anything about Tarnovsky then you'd realize the point I was trying to make. The history is too long to post here and that's why I suggested he be Googled. The veterans of this hobby all know that these sites have provider 'spies' on them...heck, it may even be you :) We even had a few that were named in court docs (on another site) that were VIPs and provider 'informants'. If there is a fix it won't come from any individual due the the cost of the equipment just to "strip" the card itself. Again, if you look up Tanrovsky you'll see what I'm talking about. It would almost be the same deal as when N2 was "cracked".

[hammer10]

Ah Geez, here we go...:tape:

[sps]

Ummm I remember reading that in the N2 days boxes where also loosing support...Neosat, Ariza and a lot more names come to mind..:innocent:

if i am correct in assuming that any pirating of signals is illegal once they have been transmitted to earth it however would not be illegal for the signals to be gathered whilst still in orbit (as far as i know once in orbit there open to anyone from this world or another) a piraters satilight expensive YES in concievable no just needs the right players and tons of cash the rewards would be legal and masive would it last who knows just thought i would show this in perhaps a different light governments do this on a daily basis and no i don't have tons of cash !!!

[motoho]

personally , if it was cracked i would still run iks server and squeeze as much as i could out of it,, before others get their hands on it. I bet you, coders in china and india, can break this thing....lol

1 yes it is cracked. 2 there is nothing that cannot be cracked!!!!!!. the USA Japan South Korea and england have all had to change there incriptions. the USA had to do it back in 98 whin that guy from los-alamos sold the louch-codes for are defince (whit that you can fire a USA icbm at anyone wow) and and Japan had a bad thing happen as did england. the way that smart cards work is simpal thy can be read in ways that make use of things that do not need codes thy have small pockits in that no code can fit so you can jtag it bam read it. so all ISO-cards can be hacked. and yes the info is keep hush hush. but as more iks networks go down thy will have to let the cat out of the bag. 3 all noah milatary codes are made to be hacked. its a law from the 80's back whin hbo asked the goverment to let thim incripted ther signall .the law was pasted but it stats that it must have a back door.

[anyonomus]

If someone wishes there posts to stay visible ..They should stay on topic and watch the language..Thanks

[Dabbler50]

if i am correct in assuming that any pirating of signals is illegal once they have been transmitted to earth it however would not be illegal for the signals to be gathered whilst still in orbit (as far as i know once in orbit there open to anyone from this world or another) a piraters satilight expensive YES in concievable no just needs the right players and tons of cash the rewards would be legal and masive would it last who knows just thought i would show this in perhaps a different light governments do this on a daily basis and no i don't have tons of cash !!!
To put it in a simple term (and that is not implying that you are simple).......I look it at it in the same way as throwing "my" ball in the air.......when it comes down it is still my ball.

[fifties]

For you that think that the N3 maybe cracked........who would like to release the bins and put themselves at the risk of prosecution by the big Sat companies? Think about it the Sat companies are spending mega dollars to prosecute anyone that may even be relatively involved, including shutting down sites and private servers.........If you think for one moment they won't track you down, you are living in a dream world.
EXACTLY! There is simply too much heat right now.

Maybe sometime down the road a ways...

[Hannibalector]

EXACTLY! There is simply too much heat right now.

Maybe sometime down the road a ways...

if the heat exists today it'll exist tomorrow , whats the difference from running a IKS server and posting a standalone in a place thats thought to be safe , even under assumed identities in a internet cafe or an open connection grabbed from afar if it were possible for iks to run for the mean time then its possible to have standalones posted annonymously, infact someone that can walk into any place and mass release a bin and walk out unbenounced to an undisclosed location seems far more safe then constant streeming this has all been said before

[motoho]

if the heat exists today it'll exist tomorrow , whats the difference from running a IKS server and posting a standalone in a place thats thought to be safe , even under assumed identities in a internet cafe or an open connection grabbed from afar if it were possible for iks to run for the mean time then its possible to have standalones posted annonymously, infact someone that can walk into any place and mass release a bin and walk out unbenounced to an undisclosed location seems far more safe then constant streeming this has all been said before

let me say thanks to the iks severs. thy are a work around and people that go that far for there fta brand in the dark day's. whit more on the line than we will know and for get the coast. i do not use iks but the ones that do. win an n3 file comes remember the guy's that gave you iks. thy did go all out to support there lines in dark times and will do it in the good times to.

[SpaceCowboy]

HANNIBAL..the difference is as long as you watch the basic channels old movies, some news channels, Charlie may close his eyes...but when you start to dip your sticky fingers in to their PPV and MOD World..they will hunt the person who comes with N3 or IKS solution for their precious PPV channels...

Afterall those are the bread and butter for Charlie...

[fifties]

Originally Posted by fifties
EXACTLY! There is simply too much heat right now.

Maybe sometime down the road a ways...
if the heat exists today it'll exist tomorrow , whats the difference from running a IKS server and posting a standalone
The difference is two-fold; making $ for FTA distributors, and coders not letting the FTA crowd whore out a card banged solution...Which apparently does exist.


remember the guy's that gave you iks. thy did go all out to support there lines in dark times and will do it in the good times to.
Let's call a spade a spade; they are doing it to line their pockets, in revenue realized from receiver sales.

[Bigpineguy Retired]

Just my 2 cents, But I know that Dave has been cracked, and know one said that it would ever happen.....Is it public ? Hell No....and It hasn't been for years! Has N3 been Cracked ? I am sure that it has , Will it be public ? I doubt it ! Not for some time, I could be wrong , and hope that I am , but I doubt that as well....
The Most important thing to remember here is that this is ( or should be ) a Hobby, and that's it! If you use this as your only source of tv, then I am sorry for the loss...I remember the drop of ppl when Dave went down, and only the real "testers" stuck around , let's keep this a hobby everyone, worst case , you spend a couple of bucks and get a True FTA Dish, and check out what else these units can really do...like I said , JMO....carry on...

BPG~

[illennium]

hopefully it does get cracked,,, that be so awesome huhh

[Terryl]

OK here is my 5 and 3/4 cents worth on this.

Will they crack N3 like they did N2, in my opinion NO. (JMHO)

Why?

Because it’s the way they (the owners of the N3 code, here in referred to as “They”) have legally protected this version of the software, we all know it was an inside source that for some big $$$ leaked the N2 source code to an outside interest, "They" have blocked that possible route big time, so with all the legalities involved in coming up with a so called stand alone crack for N3 it had better be a totally unique platform, this meaning that it cant have anything software related to the N3 source code or whomever releases it will have to be living on Mars or the coder will wind up in a deep dungeon somewhere looking for cockroaches to eat and a ton of lawyers and PI’s will be descending on anyone posting a stand alone bin file for N3.

So you all shouldn’t get your hopes up for anything to come along too soon. (JMHO)

On the other side there may be some bright young coder out there trying his/her best to come up with something.

But warning to those that may be trying, if you succeed make sure there is nothing in your bin files related to the original N3 source code (but how would you know with out the original code to look at?) or you will be a hunted person with Interpol, the FBI (they go after DMCRA copyright violators) and a whole bunch of DN’s goons looking in every cave, nook and cranny for you and your PC, as Dish has hired the same legal team that stopped the Dave cards that were circulating around, you do not want them looking for you.


This is an opinion.
© 8/2/2010, all rights reserved. By Terryl a natural person

[ace rimmer]

If wishes were trees the trees would be falling

[Tealhawke]

This is what I've culled from various good sources: It has not been cracked. It's too hard to crack in the conventional sense (making downloadable bins, etc.). As always, there are teams working on things, but it's not a matter of fear of the lawsuits, there just isn't any good non-IKS fix. If they somehow were able to make bins again, they'd be out. IKS is what the lawsuits are about.

Or so I've heard...

[motoho]

The difference is two-fold; making $ for FTA distributors, and coders not letting the FTA crowd whore out a card banged solution...Which apparently does exist.


Let's call a spade a spade; they are doing it to line their pockets, in revenue realized from receiver sales.

fifties you know this game better than anyone. but let me ask this if you run a server for iks and you get hit the heat is much more than all the money you may make. and to run an iks is not safe for the oners nore the end users as we all know. win a read comes thy get two partys and it's cost big time so running a server is more cost. selling a stb and getting a cut of the pie 10% cut of the pie after cost at say $150 per unit and $50 is your perduction cost fist run the more you make the less the cost. at 2ed run you get that at say 20 per unit and sell it at same $150 big money in that and you are set for a good run. whit iks the law can get the server and find you the coder and now what money did you make?

[fifties]

fifties you know this game better than anyone. but let me ask this if you run a server for iks and you get hit the heat is much more than all the money you may make. and to run an iks is not safe for the oners nore the end users as we all know. win a read comes thy get two partys and it's cost big time so running a server is more cost. selling a stb and getting a cut of the pie 10% cut of the pie after cost at say $150 per unit and $50 is your perduction cost fist run the more you make the less the cost. at 2ed run you get that at say 20 per unit and sell it at same $150 big money in that and you are set for a good run. whit iks the law can get the server and find you the coder and now what money did you make?
Thanks for the accolades, but I hardly know this game better than anyone.

AFA selling receivers, before Nag3 came along, dealers were only making about 10-15% regardless of the production run, on non-IKS boxes. IDK if the markup is any better on the IKS machines.

OK, running an IKS server. First, you don't do it as an American or Canadian citizen. Anyone with a lick of sense residing in our two countries would have the server owned by an LLC Corporation, which in turn would be owned by a second LLC, owned by the individual. Next, you don't locate it in a country cooperative with North American law, such as Germany, but rather in a place like The Netherlands.

AFA the card seeders go, of course they have to be in the U.S. for DN, Canada for Bell. They would be the most vulnerable, but so far, DN/Nagrastar has not been able to electronically track them down to any extent, instead relying on "whistleblowers" from the IKS group of individuals.

IDK exactly what the markup is on the IKS ventures, but there seem to be enough of them that it must be lucrative to some degree. This of course is because it's the only game in town right now.

If it were that easy for Nagrastar to shoot all of them down, there would be none in existence right now, and instead, how many are there ATM? Ten or so?