Top Rank and Golden Boy Promoters ruining future big bouts!

[KIDWCKED]

c/p from the LA Times.
August 4, 2010 |
The two most powerful promoters in boxing haven't spoken personally to each other since January.
Top Rank Chairman Bob Arum (right) was angered that Golden Boy Promotions Chief Executive Richard Schaefer (left) allowed implications to continue that Arum's prized fighter Manny Pacquiao had possibly used performance-enhancing drugs in the past. The implications originated from the camp of Floyd Mayweather Jr., whom Schaefer has previously assisted in fight negotiations.
Just after the first of two failed negotiations to make a Mayweather-Pacquiao super-fight collapsed in January, Arum said his final conversation with Schaefer revolved around a pitch to make a third Pacquiao fight against Schaefer's Juan Manuel Marquez.
"Schaefer told me he wanted a 50-50 split of the purse, and that Manny had to go through random drug testing," Arum said. "There was no way."
Schaefer, who was lamenting his split with Arum after a news conference Tuesday and cracked, "Bring down this wall, Bob," said his original suggestion of terms for a Pacquiao-Marquez bout was just a starting point, nothing intended to offend. "That's called negotiation, that's the business," Schaefer said. "Make me another offer."
Both men suggested they're willing to make fights pitting boxers from their opposing stables, but the fact is that hasn't happened since January, and there's nothing on the future schedule of main events co-promoted by Top Rank and Golden Boy.
"We've extended not just a few branches, but olive trees, I'm just not going to [do it] anymore," Schaefer said. "After awhile, you say, 'Let this guy be miserable,' and life goes on. I don't lose a minute of sleep over it."


Arum said Wednesday, "It's not the end of the world that I won't talk to him."
Arum said Schaefer owes Pacquiao "a sincere apology," but Schaefer, whose company retains a small percentage of rights to Pacquiao's purses, counters, "I never said [Pacuiao] is using performance-enhancing drugs." Pacquiao filed a pending defamation lawsuit against Mayweather and Schaefer's business partner, Oscar De La Hoya, for the alleged drug-use implications.
This strain has happened before, weakening the sport before a mediator repaired a 2007 Top Rank-Golden Boy dispute over Pacquiao's rights and bridged a co-promoted Pacquiao bout against Golden Boy's Marco Antonio Barrera.
Now, there's been an uproar, including one post-fight vent last month by HBO boxing analyst Max Kellerman, to stop the in-house promotions like last Saturday's Marquez-Juan Diaz Golden Boy show, a Sept. 18 Golden Boy card headlined by Shane Mosley and Sergio Mora, or plans for the Top Rank Pacquiao-Antonio Margarito card on Nov. 13.
Arum insists, "Nobody is saying we won't do business with them," contending Top Rank executives Todd duBoef or Carl Moretti could capably handle co-promotion talks with Schaefer. Arum dared a questioner to "give me one fight" boxing has been deprived because of the absence of dialogue between the promotional heads.
How about Pacquiao-Marquez III, or a later Miguel Cotto-Mosley II? And how much did it hurt attempts to stage Mayweather-Pacquiao that Arum and Schaefer aren't on speaking terms?
Yet, Arum dismissed Marquez as an immediate opponent and said Mosley "was sort of pathetic" in a May loss to Mayweather.
"If I have to do a fight with them, I will," Schaefer said. "I won't let childish behavior hurt the sport. I'm the CEO of this company, though. I make the deals. Top Rank can have anyone they want -- Todd or their secretary -- but they have to talk to me."
--Lance Pugmire

[aquariusone]

The death knells are starting to toll for boxing. Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions along with the corresponding respective principals are taking boxing fans for fools. It is only a matter of time before the public will seal their coffins and bury them six feet deep.

Just what is going on in boxing nowadays? Pure unadulterated crap! The culprits? Bob Arum, Richard Schaefer and Oscar dela Hoya. You can also put in the same bunch Leonard Ellerbe (Mayweather’s adviser) and HBO’s Ross Greenburg. Oh, I almost forgot Al Hayman, HBO’s boxing manager.

Just who do they think they are? The gods of Boxing? Who wants to see Shane Mosley against Sergio Mora? Haven’t they learned from the lesson of the Bernard Hopkins/Roy Jones Jr. farce? Why do we have these boxing matches? Because these boxers are in the stables of Dela Hoya’s GBP. So was Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz. Because HBO sold its soul to GBP by allowing Oscar to “groom his pupils” by matching them against sacrificial lambs – on prime TV. I am just glad I am not an HBO subscriber, or else, I’d be puking at some of the prime time boxing offerings.

They (HBO) may be trying to save face by withdrawing support for the MOSLEY/MORA farce and letting dela Hoya produce the PPV offering alone.

And look at what they did last Saturday with DANIEL JACOBS, the loser! Was Lampley dictated by HBO to continue to “promote” Jacobs because he is Oscar’s star prospect, completely ignoring DMITRY PIROG the new Middleweight champion?

What about Arum? I respect his “business acumen” but he is starting to make me sick with his greed. He is now “entertaining the thoughts of a Marquez-Pacquiao III”. Is he out of his mind or is the almighty dollar beginning to cloud his senses. There is no way anyone in his right mind to give such match even a single iota of a chance. It will make no sense for Pacquiao, who is certain to annihilate Marquez. There is just no reason for this match-up. They are no longer in the same weight class.

Even the Pacquiao-Margarito event is tainted as it has little merit as far as rankings are concerned. Margarito should not be contending for middleweight crown and Pacquiao has no business going for a 154 pound weight but demanding a 150 pound catch weight. It is not his fault, however. This nasty situation is drummed up by Arum.

[rokko]

The death knells are starting to toll for boxing. Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions along with the corresponding respective principals are taking boxing fans for fools. It is only a matter of time before the public will seal their coffins and bury them six feet deep.

Just what is going on in boxing nowadays? Pure unadulterated crap! The culprits? Bob Arum, Richard Schaefer and Oscar dela Hoya. You can also put in the same bunch Leonard Ellerbe (Mayweather’s adviser) and HBO’s Ross Greenburg. Oh, I almost forgot Al Hayman, HBO’s boxing manager.

Just who do they think they are? The gods of Boxing? Who wants to see Shane Mosley against Sergio Mora? Haven’t they learned from the lesson of the Bernard Hopkins/Roy Jones Jr. farce? Why do we have these boxing matches? Because these boxers are in the stables of Dela Hoya’s GBP. So was Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz. Because HBO sold its soul to GBP by allowing Oscar to “groom his pupils” by matching them against sacrificial lambs – on prime TV. I am just glad I am not an HBO subscriber, or else, I’d be puking at some of the prime time boxing offerings.

They (HBO) may be trying to save face by withdrawing support for the MOSLEY/MORA farce and letting dela Hoya produce the PPV offering alone.

And look at what they did last Saturday with DANIEL JACOBS, the loser! Was Lampley dictated by HBO to continue to “promote” Jacobs because he is Oscar’s star prospect, completely ignoring DMITRY PIROG the new Middleweight champion?

What about Arum? I respect his “business acumen” but he is starting to make me sick with his greed. He is now “entertaining the thoughts of a Marquez-Pacquiao III”. Is he out of his mind or is the almighty dollar beginning to cloud his senses. There is no way anyone in his right mind to give such match even a single iota of a chance. It will make no sense for Pacquiao, who is certain to annihilate Marquez. There is just no reason for this match-up. They are no longer in the same weight class.

Even the Pacquiao-Margarito event is tainted as it has little merit as far as rankings are concerned. Margarito should not be contending for middleweight crown and Pacquiao has no business going for a 154 pound weight but demanding a 150 pound catch weight. It is not his fault, however. This nasty situation is drummed up by Arum.

you are so right. promoters in the old days were mobbed up and crooked and proud of it.they protected their stable and their fighters. they called the shots and the fighters boxed who they were told to. the promoters of old produced some good cards. it seems when oscar and company entered the picture things really changed.in the old days it was all about the fight .fighters were respected. now they are treated like they are actors in a soap opera.its all hype and promotion with no quality boxing. the boxing commission needs to step up and set some new rules to keep promoters from setting up fights between their own fighters. in a court of law this would be called conflict of interest . if they dont do something boxing is going to continue to turn into wwe.