pd 34 to dp44

[meatorres]

I have dp34 switch and y need to replace with dp 44 switch, is very difficult to make that change by myself. That need to be able to do .

Thanks,

[WillDekkard]

I think you mean to install a DPP44 where you have a DP34 switch.

Remember to power off all receivers that you have connected to your DP34 switch before changing out the switch. The DPP44 is almost identical to the DP34 switch with, of course, the 4th sat input. Not sure if the power inserter is the same, but I would change that out too since you're at it. :yes:

[countysat]

I think you mean to install a DPP44 where you have a DP34 switch.

Remember to power off all receivers that you have connected to your DP34 switch before changing out the switch. The DPP44 is almost identical to the DP34 switch with, of course, the 4th sat input. Not sure if the power inserter is the same, but I would change that out too since you're at it. :yes:

There is no power inserter on a DP34.

[wildman25]

Some have posted they used an inserter for the dp34, although I never have. But the dpp44 has to have an inserter into the first receiver port. And it's been said that it's best to not put a fta receiver in line with the inserter. Best to only use the other 3 outputs

[Terryl]

Several questions:

One, why do you need to replace the DP34 with a DP44?

Two, what type of LNB's do you have now?

Three, what satellites are you currently viewing with your current setup?

[meatorres]

I think you mean to install a DPP44 where you have a DP34 switch.

Remember to power off all receivers that you have connected to your DP34 switch before changing out the switch. The DPP44 is almost identical to the DP34 switch with, of course, the 4th sat input. Not sure if the power inserter is the same, but I would change that out too since you're at it. :yes:

yes;
I want install DP$$ where I have the DP34.\\Thanks;

[meatorres]

Several questions:

One, why do you need to replace the DP34 with a DP44?

Two, what type of LNB's do you have now?

Three, what satellites are you currently viewing with your current setup?

1-because i have 4 receivers and 4 lnb's
2- I have dish 500 plus with 1 lnb (110),1 lnb(129 attached)and 1 lnb (118 and 119)
3-110,119 and 118 ; i want to add 129.

Thanks;

[meatorres]

Some have posted they used an inserter for the dp34, although I never have. But the dpp44 has to have an inserter into the first receiver port. And it's been said that it's best to not put a fta receiver in line with the inserter. Best to only use the other 3 outputs


What happen if i don't the power inserter . Should be work without that.

Thanks;

[n3uspeed2]

1-because i have 4 receivers and 4 lnb's
2- I have dish 500 plus with 1 lnb (110),1 lnb(129 attached)and 1 lnb (118 and 119)
3-110,119 and 118 ; i want to add 129.

Thanks;

then you would need a dp44 as your were planning to add.

[n3uspeed2]

are you running a subscription?

[meatorres]

are you running a subscription?

no, only fta receivers

[WillDekkard]

What happen if i don't the power inserter . Should be work without that.

Thanks;

Need for the power inserter would depend on the receivers that you have connected. The DP LNBs are power hogs. Only a few receivers can power the DPP44 switch. The power inserter is always placed on the 1st Rx output and it is recommended to either leave the inserter output empty or only place a sub receiver on it. Use 2,3,& 4 outputs for FTA receivers. If you have not yet purchased a DPP44 switch then you should acquire one with a power inserter. :thumbsup:

[meatorres]

Need for the power inserter would depend on the receivers that you have connected. The DP LNBs are power hogs. Only a few receivers can power the DPP44 switch. The power inserter is always placed on the 1st Rx output and it is recommended to either leave the inserter output empty or only place a sub receiver on it. Use 2,3,& 4 outputs for FTA receivers. If you have not yet purchased a DPP44 switch then you should acquire one with a power inserter. :thumbsup:

I have only FTA's receivers (limesat and I-linlk (9500HD) total of 4 receivers. Do i need another switch .

[satchick]

You must use the power inserter with a DPP44 in order to power the switch electronics. You can also cascade multiple DPP44 switches together to get more outputs.

[meatorres]

You must use the power inserter with a DPP44 in order to power the switch electronics. You can also cascade multiple DPP44 switches together to get more outputs.

how i can do that .

[satchick]

http://www.digitalhome.ca/information/satellite/dpp44_12tuner.jpg

[meatorres]

http://www.digitalhome.ca/information/satellite/dpp44_12tuner.jpg
\How i can do that.

[boxingfan]

how many hd receiver do you have?

[meatorres]

how many hd receiver do you have?

3 hd and 1 sd

[Terryl]

To use a DPP44 switch with 4 FTA receivers you would need 2 DPP44 switches.

Why?

The DPP44 power inserter does not play well with FTA receivers, this is due to the control voltage from the FTA receivers, the power inserter does not pass that control voltage through it, thus the receiver connected to it will/could be damaged.

2 DPP44 switches can be connected in series with each other, port 1 on both switches has to be by it's self with just the power inserter attached to that port, (no FTA receiver) all the LNB's connect to the first switch, then using the cascade outputs on the first switch you connect to the LNB inputs on the second switch, the second power inserter goes to port 1 on that switch.

You can then run up to 6 receivers on ports 2, 3, and 4 from both switches, up to 3 DPP44 switches can be used this way.

[meatorres]

To use a DPP44 switch with 4 FTA receivers you would need 2 DPP44 switches.

Why?

The DPP44 power inserter does not play well with FTA receivers, this is due to the control voltage from the FTA receivers, the power inserter does not pass that control voltage through it, thus the receiver connected to it will/could be damaged.

2 DPP44 switches can be connected in series with each other, port 1 on both switches has to be by it's self with just the power inserter attached to that port, (no FTA receiver) all the LNB's connect to the first switch, then using the cascade outputs on the first switch you connect to the LNB inputs on the second switch, the second power inserter goes to port 1 on that switch.

You can then run up to 6 receivers on ports 2, 3, and 4 from both switches, up to 3 DPP44 switches can be used this way.

Can i get switch diagram to set up .
Thanks;

[satchick]

http://www.digitalhome.ca/information/satellite/dpp44_12tuner.jpg

[Terryl]

Here is another one.

http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=7812&stc=1&d=1294098514

[WillDekkard]

Suggestion:

Since you would need to purchase a DPP44 switch and also need a second cascading switch. You could place the DP34 switch(that you have) after the DPP44 switch. Connect the HD receiver to the #2 output of the DPP44 and the other 3 receivers on outputs #3 & #4 of the DPP44 and output #2 of the DP34(if you use a power inserter on outout #1) or place the 4th receiver on output #1 of the DP34(if you do not use the power inserter). Remember you will need the power inserter on the DPP44 and Sat.129.0W has to be on the 4th input of the DPP44 which will not cascade to the DP34.

Sorry, I do not have a pic that shows this exactly however if you follow Terryl's pic with the 2 DPP44's and connect your 119sat to input port#1, 110 to #2, 118 to #3, and 129 to #4 of the DPP44. Then cascade input ports 1,2,&3 to the DP34. By using the DP34 would eliminate the need for 2 DPP44 and save you some money if that is an issue.

Hope this helps.

[satchick]

Never thought of that way.... It would work just fine since there's no real need to have 129w available to non-HD receivers.

[meatorres]

Suggestion:

Since you would need to purchase a DPP44 switch and also need a second cascading switch. You could place the DP34 switch(that you have) after the DPP44 switch. Connect the HD receiver to the #2 output of the DPP44 and the other 3 receivers on outputs #3 & #4 of the DPP44 and output #2 of the DP34(if you use a power inserter on outout #1) or place the 4th receiver on output #1 of the DP34(if you do not use the power inserter). Remember you will need the power inserter on the DPP44 and Sat.129.0W has to be on the 4th input of the DPP44 which will not cascade to the DP34.

Sorry, I do not have a pic that shows this exactly however if you follow Terryl's pic with the 2 DPP44's and connect your 119sat to input port#1, 110 to #2, 118 to #3, and 129 to #4 of the DPP44. Then cascade input ports 1,2,&3 to the DP34. By using the DP34 would eliminate the need for 2 DPP44 and save you some money if that is an issue.

Hope this helps.

I want to know if is necessary to use the power inserter because my dish is on the roof and I live second floor , if I use the power inserter I have to run the power inserter to the outlet in my apartment.

[wildman25]

Just a thought to keep ya off the roof, put the switches on the side of the house or put them in the house.

[satchick]

The power inserter is designed to be installed inside, and yes, you do need it. You just connect it to the coax that leads to port #1 on the switch, and it will send the 20v DC over the coax. In a subscription setup it is located right behind the receiver in most cases.

I always recommend installing the switches inside, or at least under the eaves where they are protected from weather. Obviously installing them inside is the best, and it's also easier to expand the system in the future.

[meatorres]

The power inserter is designed to be installed inside, and yes, you do need it. You just connect it to the coax that leads to port #1 on the switch, and it will send the 20v DC over the coax. In a subscription setup it is located right behind the receiver in most cases.

I always recommend installing the switches inside, or at least under the eaves where they are protected from weather. Obviously installing them inside is the best, and it's also easier to expand the system in the future.

I don't have subscription receiver, all receiver are FTA. What do i do

[wildman25]

Power inserter plugged into coax running to the dp44 switch.

[meatorres]

Power inserter plugged into coax running to the dp44 switch.

sorry ;
do you have diagram how to set up this.

Thanks

[byryky]

Just a thought, would it be possible to use two DP 34"s and four SW 21's connecting the four receivers to them? Or would there be power issues with that? I used that setup pointing at 4 sats a year or so ago, had three FTA receivers connected, but I also used a power inserted on each switch, port 1. I never tried that setup without a power inserter but since you' have four receivers that may supply enough power?? I know the DP34's are cheaper than than the 44's but not sure on there power requirements. Again just a thought.

[meatorres]

Just a thought, would it be possible to use two DP 34"s and four SW 21's connecting the four receivers to them? Or would there be power issues with that? I used that setup pointing at 4 sats a year or so ago, had three FTA receivers connected, but I also used a power inserted on each switch, port 1. I never tried that setup without a power inserter but since you' have four receivers that may supply enough power?? I know the DP34's are cheaper than than the 44's but not sure on there power requirements. Again just a thought.

But I have 4 lnb's 119.110.118 and 129

[byryky]

By using two DP 34's you are able to point at six orbital positions, each 34 has room for three, then each coax from your receivers has a SW21 attached to it.(out at the dish) Then via your receiver settings you designate which 34 switch to find the sat that it is pointed to.(i.e. dish 1 or dish 2) along with the proper port settings. I'm just not sure of the power requirements for the 34's, the question would be if you had 3 of the four receivers accessing the lnbs on one switch, is the 1 receiver thats left on one switch enough to power that 34 properly. I don't know maybe someone else has used this setup????

[satchick]

I don't think legacy switches will pass the proper commands to control a DP34.

Since 129 is really only needed on the HD receiver, he can keep his current DP34 setup intact, and add 129w to the line feeding the HD receiver with a 22K switch. Perhaps someone can confirm if this will work or not?

[panek75]

satchick,

I have never used a limesat or ilink and don't know how they work with 22khz or sw21 switches but i can confirm that what you posted does work on viewsat & soniview receivers.Either an ecoda 22khz or sw21 will work but the original poster say's that there are 3-hd & 1-sd receivers (per post #19) which wouldn't work.

[satchick]

Ok, so one could split the 129 signal with a 3x4 switch, and use three Ecoda 22k switches...

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I still think a DPP44 and DP34 cascaded together would be the least hassle...

[meatorres]

Ok, so one could split the 129 signal with a 3x4 switch, and use three Ecoda 22k switches...

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I still think a DPP44 and DP34 cascaded together would be the least hassle...
what happen if i don't use the power inserter at the dp44 switch . I want to know if the switch would be work without the power inserter,

Thanks;

[satchick]

It will NOT work without the power inserter. The power inserter is included with the switch, and can be placed anywhere up to 100 feet from the switch. All you need is an RG-6 coax cable from the power inserter to port 1 of the switch.

[meatorres]

i finish my set up with dp44 .running without the power inserter with no problem. I using the dp 44 and the dp34 .

Thanks to all.