Pirate Satellite Dish Salesman Fined

[RED75]

Daniel Edwards 45 Owner of Tecumseh Satellite LTD. pleaded guilty to decoding encrypted signals. he and his defunct company were fined 5000.00 each. Court heard EDwards was selling devices (FTA) recevers that could capture TV signals including Bell and Dish illegally without paing for it.:hide:

[n3uspeed2]

Daniel Edwards 45 Owner of Tecumseh Satellite LTD. pleaded guilty to decoding encrypted signals. he and his defunct company were fined 5000.00 each. Court heard EDwards was selling devices (FTA) recevers that could capture TV signals including Bell and Dish illegally without paing for it.:hide:

Where is the source?

[spaztrigger]

If this is true than there is more to the story than this. FTA receivers don't decrypt anything, third party software does.

[FARJOHN]

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Windsor Star January 6, 2011 <br />
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Making a living by selling devices to steal satellite TV signals cost a local man $10,000 in fines Wednesday. <br />
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Daniel Edwards, 45, owner of...

[DSSRUEL]

FTA receivers are 100% legal in US territory,
if sold with factory firmware untouched...

IF they are sold pre-programmed with 3-party firmware,
allowing them to SEE scrambled programming,
then thats a crime under the Milenium Law, sort of
and warranty is void, yeah

Watch it!

[FARJOHN]

To be more clear :

FTA receivers are 100% legal in US and Canadian territory,
if sold with factory firmware untouched

I dont know of any law that restricts the sale of legal FTA receivers in US or Canada

[FARJOHN]

I Would wonder if you bought a unit used from Pay Bay or from someone if it could have traces of ilegal programing on it ? Or would it be clean ?

[camaroluvr]

I Would wonder if you bought a unit used from Pay Bay or from someone if it could have traces of ilegal programing on it ? Or would it be clean ?

Plead the 5th..haha

[countysat]

IF they are sold pre-programmed with 3-party firmware,
allowing them to SEE scrambled programming,
then thats a crime under the Milenium Law, sort of
and warranty is void, yeah

Watch it!

I was in that store last month looking for the new Nano Premium. He was selling Dreamstar boxes and service to DN via PS. I'm not sure if the box was already modded or not, but either way...........

[spaztrigger]

I was in that store last month looking for the new Nano Premium. He was selling Dreamstar boxes and service to DN via PS. I'm not sure if the box was already modded or not, but either way...........

LOL, so he's still at it? Guess he's gotta pay those fines somehow.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

To be more clear :

FTA receivers are 100% legal in US and Canadian territory,
if sold with factory firmware untouched

I dont know of any law that restricts the sale of legal FTA receivers in US or Canada



Not necessarily true in Canada. If the FTA receivers regardless if they are modified or not are sold under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the receivers are or were intended to be used to decode the signal without authorization from the lawful provider then you can be convicted.



GS2

[Nostradamus]

Not necessarily true in Canada. If the FTA receivers regardless if they are modified or not are sold under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the receivers are or were intended to be used to decode the signal without authorization from the lawful provider then you can be convicted.



GS2

maybe way the law is written but they would have a hard time prosecuting that as they would have to prove intent and only way to do that would be have someone undercover buy one and seller would have to be flapping at the gums. Should buyer initiate a conversation in that direction would be entrapment so the seller would have to provide that information freely trying to make a sale.

[fifties]

maybe way the law is written but they would have a hard time prosecuting that as they would have to prove intent and only way to do that would be have someone undercover buy one and seller would have to be flapping at the gums. Should buyer initiate a conversation in that direction would be entrapment so the seller would have to provide that information freely trying to make a sale.
That's the way they nailed Blond_Bitch; she was selling receivers at a shop in the GTA, and promoting to the customers the websites she moderated at, to obtain decryption information and bins.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

That's the way they nailed Blond_Bitch; she was selling receivers at a shop in the GTA, and promoting to the customers the websites she moderated at, to obtain decryption information and bins.



True and it is not considered entrapment as something that was done wrong that would result in the evidence being thrown out. You really have to stay clear of any directing to sites for software and be very careful what you say in general. The undercover will specifically push for you to say something that can be used against you in court.



GS2

[scotty25]

Can they arrest me for putting race engines in cars? They might be used to break the speed limit or outrun cop cars. Can you be held accountable for what someone else MIGHT do?

[fifties]

Can they arrest me for putting race engines in cars? They might be used to break the speed limit or outrun cop cars. Can you be held accountable for what someone else MIGHT do?
Well let's use some common sense; selling a satellite receiver with a factory bin is perfectly legal, but encouraging the buyer to use it in an illegal fashion, such as promoting a pirate website -that had decryption bins in the N2 days- at that time, would presume accountability on the part of the seller.

And AFA your analogy of race engines; in 1962 the E-Jag was introduced in the U.S. It was the first production vehicle that could outrun Highway Patrol cars. They didn't ban it's import, but began using helicopters to monitor speeders, especially in sparsely populated areas.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Can they arrest me for putting race engines in cars? They might be used to break the speed limit or outrun cop cars. Can you be held accountable for what someone else MIGHT do?


If you aided and abetted someone to commit an offense then you can be held accountable. In this example you provided it does not look like you would be doing that so you could not be held accountable.


However with selling a FTA receiver un modified and then providing the information on where to get a bin to used it illegally or how to do it then you can be held with being responsible for assisting. In Canada the providers are including aiding and abetting in the complaints filed against dealers and the Judges are looking at it. This quote from a judge from a Grey market case in Canada that DTV filed.




"I am also satisfied that there is a serious issue to be tried
as to whether the Haskell Defendants have aided and abetted in the breach of the Radio
Communication Act and are liable to DIRECTV"




GS2

[p90rippin]

Great use of tax dollars. I wonder what they spent investigating and bringing it to court? $100,000 maybe? For $5,000 or $10,000 in fines... idiots.