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The Cobra
02-11-2011, 01:29 PM
As per TSN

QUEBEC -- There's no federal cash, no private sector commitment, and absolutely no guarantee that NHL hockey will ever return.

But Quebec City has announced it will nonetheless begin construction within several months on a new NHL-style hockey arena -- with or without any involvement from Ottawa or private industry.

The announcement came after months of spirited national debate, prompted by the prospect of federal tax dollars being used to build an arena for a non-existent NHL team.

The project's backers announced Thursday that, without any guarantee of outside cash pouring in, they were going with Plan B.

Mayor Regis Labeaume and Premier Jean Charest told a crowded news conference that the project will proceed with a 50-50 funding arrangement between the province and city.

The mayor said he planned to discuss the matter immediately with NHL bosses.

"I will announce in the coming hours to the commissioner of the National Hockey League, Gary Bettman, that Quebec City will go ahead with the construction of a new multi-purpose amphitheatre in partnership with the Quebec government," Labeaume said Thursday.

While the NHL confirmed they were made aware of today's developments.

"While we congratulate all those involved on this exciting development for the Quebec City region, we also reiterate our position that the League has no plans at the current time for either expansion or relocating any of our existing franchises," said NHL senior vice president of communications Gary Meagher in a statement.

Charest says the province will increase its funding commitment and is now ready to pay half the arena cost -- as long as the total price tag doesn't exceed $400 million.

Charest says the door's always open if the Ottawa or the private sector want to contribute later.

The federal government hasn't officially slammed that door. The Tories' point person on the file said Thursday that she's still awaiting a detailed financing plan from Quebec City.

Josee Verner said that, so far, the only details she has are press clippings and news releases. She said she wants to know more about the kind of private-sector revenue the building might generate.

With those details in hand, the cabinet minister said, Ottawa could then consider possible funding.

"It'll depend on what they send us," Verner told reporters in Ottawa.

"For now, we have nothing in our hands."

But there were some notable absences at Thursday's news conference: nobody was there from Ottawa, or from Quebecor Inc., the media empire that has been talking about bringing NHL hockey back to Quebec City.

The city's initial financing plan fell apart when Ottawa, fearing a national backlash, resisted the request for roughly $200 million in public funds.

The political temptation for Ottawa to get involved was palpable, initially.

Quebec City is poised to be a key battleground in the next election and any hopes of a Conservative majority may rest, in part, with the results in the provincial capital. It now appears unlikely that the Tories could reap any political benefit from a new arena, if an election is called this spring.

There was another key player absent from the news conference: the NHL. Bettman has declared that, even with a new arena, there's no guarantee that Quebec City will get its Nordiques back.

A reporter asked how anyone could make an ethical justification for using public money this way -- especially in such a heavily indebted province, where so many people can't get access to a family doctor or even to a bed in overcrowded hospitals.

The famously feisty mayor unloaded on him.

"It's extremely simplistic to put it that way," Labeaume said.

"Go ask the people of Quebec City what they think. . .

"The people of Quebec City want an arena. You can talk all you want about ethics, about making parallels with hospitals that are in my opinion inappropriate.

"I'm sorry. We live in a society and there's lots of things in a society. We live in a community. By the way, I promised an amphitheatre in the last election and I was elected with 80 per cent of the vote. Are you trying to say that the people who voted for me have no ethics?

"I'm sorry -- that doesn't work. And I sincerely believe those kinds of comparisons are, frankly, useless."

Labeaume repeated several times the city's projected share of the project -- $187 million -- would amount, over the life of its financing, to less than one per cent of the municipal budget.

He promised to get it built without raising municipal tax rates. Labeaume said he would slash $62 million from the city's current administrative costs and borrow $125 million over 20 years.

He also dismissed fears the building could wind up suffering a bleak fate if, like older arenas in Hamilton and Kansas City, it fails to land an NHL tenant.

Labeaume said this building would "not become a white elephant" because, as a multi-purpose facility, it would attract more non-hockey events to Quebec City.

The mayor was equally combative when a reporter asked why he was moving ahead so quickly, even before formal cost assessments had been completed.

The current $400-million estimate is not final. A provincial agency is only promising to deliver a more accurate assessment next year.

"I'm not answering those kinds of questions anymore," Labeaume shot back when asked about the cost assessment. "They no longer interest me.

"In Quebec City, we have a reputation for staying within our construction costs."

Costactc
02-11-2011, 06:22 PM
Awesome news Cobra man, one step closer to the return of the battle of Quebec.

abby
02-11-2011, 06:43 PM
Awesome news Cobra man, one step closer to the return of the battle of Quebec.

Quebec i dont think will support a team in the long run,thats the issue,yet hamiltion would but still wont get one.....crazy.:noidea:

chuck
02-11-2011, 06:55 PM
its the...." if you build it, they will come"..theory.

whiteheather
02-11-2011, 09:58 PM
building the new arean, is good news, however if the taxpayers have to pay or part pay for the arena, I totally disagree, the franchise, providing it gets the supporters, will make the money, and the supporters will still have to pay to see a hockey game...so who wins.....the owners, however if the city and owners take it upon themselves to build, withouth taxpayers paying for it. that would be great...............................

JasonCable
02-11-2011, 11:18 PM
Quebec deserves to have their team back.

whiteheather
02-12-2011, 12:02 AM
Quebec deserves to have their team back.


But why did they loose it in the first place..............................lack of support....will it be better.....i hope so........................

StanW
02-12-2011, 12:06 AM
Wasn't lack of support - the owner (Aube ?) tried to get the taxpayers to pay for a new arena - didn't fly so he used it as an excuse to sell the franchise and get his money ...

Whatever they estimate it will cost double that - that's how things work in la belle providance .lol

kenkell1
02-12-2011, 12:25 AM
Quebec deserves to have their team back.

Quebec does have a team....Montreal Canadians ;) <--------NOT funded by Canadian tax dollars either.

Even when the Nordiques had a fairly loyal fan base, it was not enough for them to be viable in an anglophone environment and is a big reason why Eric Lindros refused to play for them.

StanW
02-12-2011, 12:29 AM
Quebec does have a team....Montreal Canadians ;) <--------NOT funded by Canadian tax dollars either.

Even when the Nordiques had a fairly loyal fan base, it was not enough for them to be viable in an anglophone environment and is a big reason why Eric Lindros refused to play for them.

With all due respect I disagree on this one - if memory serves me right there were 2 reasons why he didn't want to play for the nordiques a) his mommy said NO .. b) something to do with frogs :D

The Cobra
02-12-2011, 12:34 AM
Would Quebec be able to sustain another hockey team?----damn right it would. Would the fans flock to Quebec games?----damn right they would. Would the rivalry of 2 Quebec teams be a great one?---damn right it would. Do the Quebec fans deserve another team?---damn right they do.
Would the Montreal Canadiens Inc fight the idea to the last drop??----damn right they would.
Hamilton, is a no brainer. Whether it could support a team or not isn`t the issue in Hamilton getting a pro hockey franchise. The Toronto Maple Leafs Inc for the most part and the Buffalo Sabres Inc to a lesser part are the stop sign for Hamilton. The Toronto Maple Leafs have been the laughing stock of hockey for quite a few years now---not the same can be said for Toronto Maple Leafs INC. TML INC is one of if not the most successful franchises in all of sports, when the TML Inc boys sit down at the table to talk---everyone listens. They will never let anyone or anything come close to cutting into their fan base, they`ll even go so far as to use the excuse that a team in Hamilton will not only cut into TML fortunes but it would also be a slash into the success of Buffalo Sabres Inc. TML Inc holds waaaay too much clout in the NHL to be crossed---if Toronto doesn`t want it to happen ---it won`t. It`s that simple.

JMHO

StanW
02-12-2011, 12:40 AM
I don't follow hockey much these day so could you explain to me why the Leafs inc has so much clout ? Is it because the cbc has shoved their games up Canadas collective derrieres ?

The Cobra
02-12-2011, 12:44 AM
I don't follow hockey much these day so could you explain to me why the Leafs inc has so much clout ? Is it because the cbc has shoved their games up Canadas collective derrieres ?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$---they have it . In Toronto, even with the garbage they throw on the ice, they could sell tickets to their practices. Why ??? is anyone`s guess...but it`s a fact. The prices at the ACC are out of hand--yet they come in droves. Prices of Leaf jersey`s are over $200 when they should be giving them away with each beer that you have to mortage your house for.
I can`t count the times I was handed comp. tickets to Leaf games ----funny I couldn`t afford to go to all the "free " games.

whiteheather
02-12-2011, 03:47 AM
I don't follow hockey much these day so could you explain to me why the Leafs inc has so much clout ? Is it because the cbc has shoved their games up Canadas collective derrieres ?

why do we see so many Toronto/Montreal games on CBC....simple CBC is located in Toronto, it is much cheaper to show eastern games, sure we get western games on CBC. however the East have the majority...also re Lindros...yes he was told not to play in Quebec...he was told by his Mummy..Lindros couldn't say Diaper in French.......neither could his Mummy lol :tehe:

Nostradamus
02-12-2011, 04:06 AM
I sure hope the 50% that the Que gov't is willing to toss in is really provincial funding and not going to be withdrawn from some account that is funded federally

regardless it would be fun to see a good team there again but it would also be fun to see a team in Hamilton, Moncton, Winnipeg, Regina, or, Halifax. What is really sad is that the taxpayer has to foot the bill for something like that> It has to be a money maker or the team just up and moves on again leaving the taxpayer stuck with a large bill and the biggest draw to the arena then is a concert. The saddest part is that the ones who wind up having to pay the majority of the costs never get to go to a game if they get a team because a seat is priced well beyond their budget.

JCO
02-12-2011, 04:12 AM
The old Colisee was to small. Low seating capacity adds up to low revenue.. A lot of the season tiquets in Quebec and the box seats where owned by Montrealers.. I fondly remember flying down the 20 at outrageous speeds to catch a game in Quebec... Even the Sq contributed by not placing speed traps on the highway between Montreal and Quebec before and after a game..
I'm shure Pierre Karl Peladeau ( Quebecor) has a team purchase lined up.. He needs a new stadium cause the Colisee needs to be demolished.. Its toast.... As for Public money building it thats where I have to draw the line.. Peladeau is a Billionaire if he wants a team and Stadium let him open up his wallet.. After all If the government can build and run one profitably a private entrepreneur should be able to make a killing.. Unless the stadium is not that profitable.. LOL

whiteheather
02-12-2011, 04:24 AM
Sadly the Fed Gov't in bending over backwards for Quebec......if they want to build a new arean for hockey, do it in an area where they know they have the support, and they can build it on there own. and of course in an entirely new area... i.e. Hamilton.....Winnipeg did have there chance.....the taxpayers of Canada SHOULD NOT pay for a private business.......