Life Sentence for teens

[whiteheather]

In a B.C. Canada court. two teenage boys recieved life sentences for killing a young girl....... they lured this young girl to one of there homes. they tied her up and sexually assaulted her, then murdered her, after a few days, they took her body to a remote place and set the body on fire........and all they got was a life sentence, they can apply for parole in 10 years.....................GARBAGE.....they should spend the remainder of their lives in jail, and never see the light of day....the courts and laws in Canada are poor......................I would much prefer to hang them...an eye for an eye...a tooth for a tooth......a good Native law.......................also one of the teenage boy's father is also in jail........for killing a young girl..................where the hell are we going wrong....................my heart goes out to the girls family, and the fathers comments about them is right............................They should burn in Hell...............Whiteheather.

[Bigpineguy Retired]

I personally think that they should be tied up and put in a room with the Father of the victim, and any male family members , and have a slow , painful death, then all would feel truly justified ! JMO

BPG~

[krazykraz]

I totally agree....We as the people of this great nation of Canada need to band together and get Capital Punishment re-instated....This country is way different now then when it was abolished....We have such a melting pot of nationalities now that have different beliefs in what is right and wrong...we used to be so peaceful.....now we have senseless killings everyday...these criminals have no fear of death...kill someone and get a warm place to sleep and 3 hot meals a day...Satellite TV...Internet....etc etc.... We need to re-instill fear into the criminals...maybe ....just maybe they will think twice...

[Pollypurabred]

I thought the USA was lenient but parole eligible in only 10 years for a life sentence.....WOW!

[zoogor]

oh yea, here in canada you can do just about anything and get away easy but man...you go shoot a deer out of season to feed your family and you'd be better off if you shot a person.
some thing just aint right.
i agree with post 2 but i want to be there as well.

[dishuser]

I thought the USA was lenient but parole eligible in only 10 years for a life sentence.....WOW!

that's because they're teens

[krazykraz]

Ya if they were adults they would be eligible in 7 years lol

[zoogor]

you said it. some things just blow the mind dont they?

[dishuser]

Ya if they were adults they would be eligible in 7 years lol

instead of making jokes why not start a petition to have these teens declared dangerous so that they never get out?

[Terryl]

China has the best justice for murder, you loose the case you’re taken out back and shot, that’s it, no life sentences, no appeals, no parole, and your family gets billed for the bullet.

Saves on court and prison costs.

[chicot60]

Audio recordings of a lengthy conversation between the killers of Kimberly Proctor capture the teens laughing and making jokes three days after being arrested for her brutal rape and murder.

The audio transcript is from a chat between convicted murderers Kruse Wellwood and Cameron Mofftat, in the back of a sheriff's van on the way to their first court appearance in June last year.

The boys were just 16 and 17 at the time of her brutal slaying. They were arrested three months after Kimberly's murder.

During the taped conversation, the boys appear to display little remorse for the crime, instead focusing on how the food was during their detention – "gross" – and how they missed eating fruits and vegetables.

At one point Wellwood even joked about investigators asking him whether he feels any remorse at all, and Moffat bragged that he laughed when police questioned him.

Wellwood makes several casual statements about his fate, telling his friend: "This lack of freedom isn't really bugging me."

Wellwood said he had "a million escape plans" the night before his first court appearance.

"It's hard to escape from this," Moffat replied, before breaking into laughs.

Wellwood told his friend that he stayed quiet during interrogations but accused his friend of telling police what happened.

"I was exercising my right to silence the entire time. I know you weren't," he said.

Wellwood tells Moffat that police showed him video of his interrogation.

Moffat denies leaking any information: "I didn't talk about everything."

On March 18, 2010, after declining her schoolmate's advances, Proctor was lured to the home of one of the boys, where her hands and ankles were duct-taped. They stuffed a sock in her mouth and sexually assaulted her for hours.

A knife was used to mutilate her body and she eventually died. An autopsy revealed she couldn't breathe because of the tape over her mouth.

Her body was placed in a freezer in the garage. The next day the teens carried her body in a duffel bag on a public bus to the Galloping Goose Trail, where they lit her on fire.

Text messages between the co-accused revealed that they had carefully planned the abduction and murder. They'd also been involved in joint rape fantasies for at least a year before the murder, according to a psychiatric report presented in the courtroom.

Yesterday the teens were sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 10 years.

A spokesperson for the Crown said the boys show little chance of rehabilitation. Both were labeled as psychopaths by psychiatrists during the two-week sentencing hearing in B.C. Supreme Court.

[here4fun]

I doubt very much this pair will ever get out of prison. They actually pleaded guilty to the charges and the judge sentenced them as adults. If they had been sentenced as youth they would have been...

[StanW]

.... could be that they started early - maybe stealing other ppls satbux:D

[chuck]

very sad this news indeed. i feel for this little girl and her family.

if the laws were more strict, people would think twice before commiting these senseless acts of violence. i believe what goes around, comes around......and for these young adults....they'll get what is comeing to them, in one way or another.

[JCO]

I have a feeling they thought they would get off because they where minors when it happened.. I hope that people remember this and protest when their up for parole.. 2 sick to be walking the streets , ever.

[Nostradamus]

no doubt in my mind that they will get out in 10 years unless they get shanked while in the pen. As for where this country went wrong, abolishing capital punishment was the first mistake and the second one was allowing lawyers to twist the young offenders act 180 degrees from what it was intended. I like the Chinese solution Terry mentioned but since that would never fly here I suggest we just tattoo it on their heads what they are in for, No more cells with doors, no librairies, no medical or any other perks. Just a large compound with no shelter from the elements where you need to sleep with one eye open and then lets see how anxious they are to get in there. Free up our conventional prisons for the ones that should be there instead of on house arrest. Around here, house arrest is called vacation.

[Blaster]

Doesn't surprise me at all, Canadian "justice" that is. A slap on the wrist for the worst sin of all. Yet there are many other ways to get your own justice, if you know what I mean...

[mclovin]

Well with any luck they get bunked in with Bubba and find out what raping someone feels like and see if there still smiling then!

[here4fun]

Death penalty data:

In the United States, about 13,000 people have been legally executed since colonial times.

By the 1930's up to 150 people were executed yearly. Lack of public support for capital punishment and various legal challenges reduced the execution rate to near zero by 1967. The U.S. Supreme Court banned the practice in 1972.

In 1976, the Supreme Court authorized its resumption. 2 Each state could then decide whether or not to have the death penalty. As of the 2002-OCT, only 12 states and the District of Columbia do not have the death penalty. The states which have abolished executions are typically northern: Alaska, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia and Wisconsin. However, seven jurisdictions have the death penalty but have not performed any executions since 1976. They are also mostly northern: Connecticut, Kansas, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, South Dakota and the U.S. military.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that whenever a sentencing jury has the ability to impose capital punishment, the jury must be informed in advance if the defendant would be eligible for parole.

Almost all states have an automatic review of each conviction by their highest appellate court.

There are a number of federal offenses that can lead to the death penalty. About 21 prisoners are housed in death row at the federal Terre Haute, IN facility. One was executed in 2001. This was the first federal execution in 36 years.

Texas holds the record for the largest number of executions since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976. Virginia has executed a larger percentage of its population than any other state over 1 million in population.

As of 2002-JAN-1: From 1976, when executions were resumed, until 2002-JUL-1, there have been 784 executions in the US. About 30 to 60 prisoners are currently killed annually, most by lethal injection. About two out of three executions (65.6%) are conducted in five states: Texas, Virginia, Missouri, Florida and Oklahoma. Texas leads the other states in number of killings (256 killings; 34% of the national total). There were about 3,690 prisoners sentenced to death in 37 state death rows, and 31 being held by the U.S. government and military. 3 About 1.5% are women. Recent laws have expanded the number of crimes for which capital punishment can be applied. Other legislation has reduced some of the appeal mechanisms available to those on death row.

Public approval of the death penalty is currently about 70%. Public support is essentially the same in Canada, a country which abandoned capital punishment.

The vast majority of those executed were poor. About 90% could not afford a lawyer when they went to trial. They had to rely upon a court-appointed lawyer.

The homicide rate in those states with the death penalty is almost double the rate in states without the death penalty. It is not known whether this is due to: People in high-homicide states demanding the death penalty as a perceived deterrent, or
Use of the death penalty by the state cheapens the value of life, and causes a higher homicide rate, or
Some other reason.


Essentially all of the persons executed are male. since 1976 when executions resumed, there have only been four women executed -- all in Southern states. These were:
1984-NOV-02: North Carolina: Velma Barfield confessed to murdering three people with arsenic. According to About.com:
"In prison she became a born-again Christian and her list of supporters who objected to her execution grew, including evangelist Billy Graham. Velma also discovered she was a skilled counselor and helped inmates adjust to their prison existence. She co-wrote a book, Woman on Death Row, a collection of her memoirs." 4

While in prison she confessed to additional murders.


1998-FEB-3: Texas: Karla Faye Tucker, 38, was convicted of killing two people in 1983 with a pickax. She was the first woman since 1863 to be executed in that state. She had repented of her crimes, and been "born again" during her 14 years of imprisonment . Her case received a great deal of publicity. Many individuals and groups pleaded for clemency. This included Fundamentalist Teleminister Pat Robertson; Ron Carlson (brother of victim Deborah Thornton); Peggy Kurtz, (sister of victim Jerry Dean); Paul Ward, a juror who convicted Tucker; and even her arresting officer, J.C. Mosier. 5

1998-MAR-30: Florida: Judy Beenano, 54 was called the "Black Widow" for poisoning her husband, drowning her son and trying to blow up her fiancé. She was the first woman to be executed in Florida since 1848.

2002-OCT-09: Florida: Aileen Wuornos was found guilty for the murders of six men including one police officer and a missionary. A movie name titled "Monster" starring Charlize Theron was made about her life. Several books, documentaries, and TV specials have also been produced. She also became a Christian in prison. Her last words were: "I'd just like to say I'm sailing with the Rock and I'll be back like Independence Day with Jesus, June 6, like the movie, big mothership and all. I'll be back." There is no evidence that she has returned yet. 6


Canada does not have a death penalty. In most cases, the most serious sentence for murder is life imprisonment with no possibility of parole for 25 years. However, if a person has a long history of violent crime, then they can be declared a "dangerous offender." With this classification they are given an indefinite sentence with little chance of ever being released from prison.

Public opinion polls show that over 70% of the adult population would like to see a return of hanging for first degree murder. This is almost identical to the level of support in the U.S. The Roman Catholic Church and liberal churches wish to continue the present status; conservative Protestant denominations are overwhelmingly in favor of a return to capital punishment. However, they do not appear to be aggressively promoting the death penalty. Their effort seems to be directed mainly at preventing same-sex couples from marrying, limiting abortion access, and maintaining soliciting for prostitution and marijuana use as criminal acts .

The homicide rate in Canada has been gradually dropping since executions were stopped. This phenomenon has been observed in many other countries who have abandoned the death penalty. However, it has never been convincingly proven that there is a relationship between the decrease in homicides and the cessation of the death penalty.


Relatively few other developed countries in the world impose the death penalty. Japan, South Korea, and the U.S. are the only established democracies in the world that still conduct executions. The execution rate in Japan is a small fraction of that in the U.S.


Some countries, such as Italy, routinely refuse to extradite accused murderers to the US because of the possibility that they might be executed. Canada originally refused to extradite suspected mass murderer Charles Ng to California for a trial. The government ruling was later overturned by Canada's Supreme Court.

[whiteheather]

when they do come up for parole, it is unlikely they will be allowed out, as long as the victim's father is alive, he will always be at the appeal court, and suffering within himself each time, and he will object profusely to there release...these two ignorant waste of human breath individuals who have no remorse...please do not deem them as sick. they are not sick, they knew everything they were doing. deserve to spend the rest of their lives incarserated..... i just hope the system does not give them day passes in later years......will they offend again YES THEY WILL........the Death Penaly should be brought back. and any person found guilty of Murder. "without any shadow of doubt" should indeed be put to death... and not 5 or 10 years later..........we are supposed to be a civilised nation.....I say supposed to be.

[Pollypurabred]

The death penalty in New Jersey, USA has also been abolished in 2007and here are the latest for USA.
http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=001172But what is suprising to me is that the USA has more reasons to use capital punishment!

I. 34 States with the Death Penalty (16 without plus Washington DC)
II. 41 Federal Capital Crimes