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Fibroso
05-20-2011, 01:34 PM
Cotto-Chavez, Jr., received the blessing

endi.com / deportes


Although it has not specifically talked to Miguel Cotto, the Puerto Rican welterweight champion trainer, Emanuel Steward, said yesterday that it welcomed the possibility of a future confrontation between his ward and Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr.

"I have no problems with the fight with Chavez, Jr.. It's something I'll discuss later with Miguel, "Steward said to Primera Hora telephone.

Originally, Cotto was on the agenda for a rematch against Mexican Antonio Margarito also scheduled for September, but was discarded due to Margarito's right eye still has not healed as a result of the punishment he received at the hands of Manny Pacquiao during his meeting November.

Next, Top Rank, Cotto's promoter, confirmed that Chavez, Jr., could take its place. However, he must first defeat the German Sebastian Zbik on June 4 in Los Angeles, California.

"Miguell has said that, at the stage where his career is interested in big fights, " he reiterated Steward, to reaffirm that he would like Cotto had a second chance at Pacquiao.

"I would love another fight against Pacquiao. I can not speak on behalf of Miguel, but it would be the fight of my dreams, "said Steward.

In his last fight, Cotto successfully defended the crown of the World Boxing Association (AM) via technical knockout, beating Ricardo Mayorga in the twelfth assault.

rudee
05-20-2011, 03:32 PM
Thanks Fib,,, as we stated earlier, this fight would be easier for Cotto than the Mayorga fight. Chavez has nothing.
Cotto vs Margarito is the one i want to see... but who knows, Margarito may never fight again.. hear say his eye is really bad... might not get a license.
In my humble opinion,,,, Cotto vs Manny will never happen again. Manny won too decisively... doubt it would sell.
I would not really pay to see it.
Cotto vs Margarito I would.

Fibroso
05-20-2011, 04:07 PM
Thanks Fib,,, as we stated earlier, this fight would be easier for Cotto than the Mayorga fight. Chavez has nothing.
Cotto vs Margarito is the one i want to see... but who knows, Margarito may never fight again.. hear say his eye is really bad... might not get a license.
In my humble opinion,,,, Cotto vs Manny will never happen again. Manny won too decisively... doubt it would sell.
I would not really pay to see it.
Cotto vs Margarito I would.

Cotto exposed his welterweight title having to go down to 145 pounds, after his father's death, without a corner against the P4P greatest fighter of the world, lasting 12 long rounds, visiting the canvas and getting up to last 12 rounds and he lost to decisively to you. Well, I think Emmanuel doesn't agree with you and he's an expert in boxing. Margarito is done, he doesn't deserve a payday with anyone. Marquez won't last 8 rounds with Cotto, I assure you of that and he's fighting Manny. After the Mosley debacle,to me and Emmanuel, Cotto deserves a rematch. 147 pounds EVEN. Ahh and let Pacman expose his title this time.

Condor
05-20-2011, 04:46 PM
All good points... But I have to disagree with Marquez only lasting so long... As I have said before he will not beat Manny.. But he has that Heart old school mexican fighters used to have.. He will throw as much as he can when he can but he will be ouboxed and out punched by that machine call pacman.. As far as Cotto Would he really want a rematch??..He was pretty beat up... Cotto has a very refined style of boxing...But he has shown he cannot make adjustments in mid-fight.. He fights one way and way only. With Pacman you need to make adjustments and I have never seen that from Cotto.. JHMO........

Fibroso
05-20-2011, 05:37 PM
Marquez is a warrior, he can still do a good job against any fighter. I hope he so proves it in his coming match against Pac. Now, Emmanuel will bring a well planed boxing match against Pacman, if the opportunity is given. Cotto didn't box in the first one, he just engaged Manny mano a mano, you can't do that. Not after loosing a great amount of weight and hydrating with liquids after loosing muscle mass, while your opponent was enjoying good health gaining mass. This fight will definitely be different. My people want to see this one soon since Cotto is practically all we have left after being dethroned by Mexican fighters lately.

aquariusone
05-20-2011, 07:06 PM
This is called "posturing" by Emmanuel Steward.

Cotto would certainly benefit from the expertise of Steward much more than from Joe Santiago, his former trainer. But many believe that Steward's arrival is one or two fights late. Nonetheless, Steward is sounding the horn to get into the Pacquiao Sweepstakes. And I don't blame him. It would be a big pay day for him.

However, he must deal with reality. Forget Pacquiao! It is as possible as Britney Spears being like a virgin! It will not happen.

On the positive side, he will deal Chavez Jr. a loss.

As for the Marquez/Pacquiao trilogy, Marquez will be 38 years old in August, two shy from 40! He is fighting one of hardest hitting boxers almost 6 years younger and in the prime of his career at his ideal weight. Inside the ring, many will be watching just how soon the knock out will occur and how similar this will be with the last Eric Morales fight Manny.

The real fight is between HBO and Showtime/CBS, which is grinning from their coup for Pacquiao's best PPV result 2 weeks ago - more than 1.3 million buys. (Pacquiao/Cotto was 1.25 buys; Pacquiao/Margarito - 1.15 buys.)

My prediction? SHOWTIME/CBS up to 1.5 million PPV!

Condor
05-20-2011, 07:23 PM
Marquez is a warrior, he can still do a good job against any fighter. I hope he so proves it in his coming match against Pac. Now, Emmanuel will bring a well planed boxing match against Pacman, if the opportunity is given. Cotto didn't box in the first one, he just engaged Manny mano a mano, you can't do that. Not after loosing a great amount of weight and hydrating with liquids after loosing muscle mass, while your opponent was enjoying good health gaining mass. This fight will definitely be different. My people want to see this one soon since Cotto is practically all we have left after being dethroned by Mexican fighters lately.

Yup, But I dont count the margarito fight as I am one who thinks my paisano had something in his gloves when he fought Cotto also.. How could he destroy a well trained Cotto with just body shots????????...

Gamer
05-20-2011, 07:36 PM
While this is based on chavez winning his next fight I can see where this is heading.If a fight with cotto were to happen it will be at a catchweight for the 160 belt and at 155 from what I have read.With cotto winning you will see arum asking for a rematch with paquiao for the 160 belt at a catchweight of course.The idea of adding another belt to the resume may be tempting enough.Like I said before I dont like catchweights but this is reality.This fight I am sure it wont be a mosley (patty cake) performance and bet you it will sell more ppvs. Jmo

rudee
05-20-2011, 08:19 PM
Manny can't put on too much more weight.. he is not tall enough... his max is 150.. MAX!
Aqua,,,, you are very biased toward Manny,,, and I agree he will beat Marquez....
But you ARE forgetting Manny's last clunker!!! he did nothing! Not one body shot to slow Shane down from dancing like Fred Astaire.
Straight forward... made to order for a big right hand.. especially him being left handed.
The last thing that goes out on a fighter with age is his punch! Marquez still hits very hard... look what he did to Juan Diaz..
I think you are like my good friend Fib,,, you love yer fighter and gonna stick with him no matter what!
BUT,,, they are human and they DO have their limitations.
I loved Roberto Duran... but i bet against him in the "no mas" fight... and also in the Haglar fight.. I knew his limitations.
I loved "Little Red Lopez" but bet against him when he defended his title against Salvador Sanchez... before Sanchez was known.
My point is,,, as i have said before,,, and i was a gambler at one time... we bet with our heads,,, not our hearts.
How about Manny and Martinez at lets say 155???? what ya think guy?

Gamer
05-20-2011, 08:35 PM
In mannys past fight its never been an issue with his weight rather than the weight his opponent fights him at.He has always fought at what weight he feels comfortable at.This last fight maybe a sign of that.He fought margarito and at the weighin was 143. I remember reading that he expressed that coming in heavier made him feel slow.He fought mosley and at 145 he did seem to loose a step.As for fighting martinez he wants no part of that.Too big for him and powerful.Remember the paul williams fight it took only one shot.Lights out.

Condor
05-20-2011, 08:44 PM
if anyone wants to fight Pacman it will have to be @ 140-145 max... He can't get any heavier than that.. He started as a flyweight!!!

Gamer
05-20-2011, 08:56 PM
if anyone wants to fight Pacman it will have to be @ 140-145 max... He can't get any heavier than that.. He started as a flyweight!!!
I understand that boli but the catchweight has never been for him. he has always fought at his weight againts bigger opponents.He has obigated others to lower weight while ha has not.He would just be fighting a bigger fighter.

rudee
05-20-2011, 10:02 PM
If Manny cant go above 145, then he cant fight Mayweather either... Mayweather will come into the ring at 160 or more.. like he did with Marquez.. que no?
That is precisely why i would lean toward Mayweather in a fight with Manny... would come in wayyyy too big...
As i said gents... we need to know our limitations...
Bob Foster, Alexis Arguello, Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie Moore etc all tried to go beyond their limitations,, they couldn't.
Mann,,,,, just remembered,, I bet the rent money on Alexis when Pryor beat him.... boy my wife was mad!!! Then Pryor did it again!!! no rent money this time.

aquariusone
05-20-2011, 10:45 PM
Manny can't put on too much more weight.. he is not tall enough... his max is 150.. MAX!
Aqua,,,, you are very biased toward Manny,,, and I agree he will beat Marquez....
But you ARE forgetting Manny's last clunker!!! he did nothing! Not one body shot to slow Shane down from dancing like Fred Astaire.
Straight forward... made to order for a big right hand.. especially him being left handed.
The last thing that goes out on a fighter with age is his punch! Marquez still hits very hard... look what he did to Juan Diaz..
I think you are like my good friend Fib,,, you love yer fighter and gonna stick with him no matter what!
BUT,,, they are human and they DO have their limitations.
I loved Roberto Duran... but i bet against him in the "no mas" fight... and also in the Haglar fight.. I knew his limitations.
I loved "Little Red Lopez" but bet against him when he defended his title against Salvador Sanchez... before Sanchez was known.
My point is,,, as i have said before,,, and i was a gambler at one time... we bet with our heads,,, not our hearts.
How about Manny and Martinez at lets say 155???? what ya think guy?

Nah! I just give credit where credit is due. I also like to stick to facts rather than personal opinion and express that when given. During Cassius Clay's days, I hated him thinking he has a big mouth but that turned to admiration when I realized he was merely "selling tickets". I was one of those who had wished he'd stopped boxing before Spinks, and Larry Holmes. So, now I am one of those who would back Jinkee and Mrs. Dionisia that strongly advice retirement for Pacquiao....

.....for much the same reason that you have expressed: limitations

I also prognosticate based on factual statistics and accomplishments. So give me a boxer to challenge Pacquiao and I will tell you why he will WIN or LOSE. However, I will also tell you if that fight will change his stature or not.

So, let's start. SERGIO MARTINEZ? Forget it. Pacman would be committing hara-kiri if he entered the ring with Sergio. MAYWEATHER? Pac is the hound dog with a thirst for blood and Floyd can feel it. Even if Floyd is 165 pounds against the little man from General Santos, my money is on Pac. MARQUEZ, he is a legend ..... in his own mind! LOL.

Fibroso
05-20-2011, 11:32 PM
Manny can't put on too much more weight.. he is not tall enough... his max is 150.. MAX!
Aqua,,,, you are very biased toward Manny,,, and I agree he will beat Marquez....
But you ARE forgetting Manny's last clunker!!! he did nothing! Not one body shot to slow Shane down from dancing like Fred Astaire.
Straight forward... made to order for a big right hand.. especially him being left handed.
The last thing that goes out on a fighter with age is his punch! Marquez still hits very hard... look what he did to Juan Diaz..
I think you are like my good friend Fib,,, you love yer fighter and gonna stick with him no matter what!
BUT,,, they are human and they DO have their limitations.
I loved Roberto Duran... but i bet against him in the "no mas" fight... and also in the Haglar fight.. I knew his limitations.
I loved "Little Red Lopez" but bet against him when he defended his title against Salvador Sanchez... before Sanchez was known.
My point is,,, as i have said before,,, and i was a gambler at one time... we bet with our heads,,, not our hearts.
How about Manny and Martinez at lets say 155???? what ya think guy?

Iam a fan of my people, history is my allied, for we've had more boxing champs per square mile than any nation in the world. I don't fall in love with my boxers, I'm proud of them but they can be beat by anyone, anytime. Wilfredo Gomez could beat any one in his weight class, remember, till Salvador Sanchez beat the hell out of him. Manny is a great boxer but my money is with Floyd. Martinez is very good but even Cotto can give him hell and Floyd will take him out also. JMO

rudee
05-21-2011, 01:19 AM
Great posts guys... good to hear yuz guys inputs.. you all make good points.
I do have to agree with Aqua on why in hell doesnt Floyd sign up to fight Manny???? Or sign up to fight anybody?????
Just can't understand that... ALL the great ones fought the great ones!!! nobody hid from anybody in the old days!
Yes Fib,,,, Cotto vs Martinez would be a good show.... Cotto would have to go up a couple pounds... wonder why noone
has brought that matchup to front?
Anyway,,, great trading thoughts with you guys.. ahhh yes,,, i do remember seeing Benitez and Gomez... they broke my heart when
one of em knocked out Carlos Zarate in Puerto Rico... I think it was Gomez..

Fibroso
05-21-2011, 02:15 AM
Great posts guys... good to hear yuz guys inputs.. you all make good points.
I do have to agree with Aqua on why in hell doesnt Floyd sign up to fight Manny???? Or sign up to fight anybody?????
Just can't understand that... ALL the great ones fought the great ones!!! nobody hid from anybody in the old days!
Yes Fib,,,, Cotto vs Martinez would be a good show.... Cotto would have to go up a couple pounds... wonder why noone
has brought that matchup to front?
Anyway,,, great trading thoughts with you guys.. ahhh yes,,, i do remember seeing Benitez and Gomez... they broke my heart when
one of em knocked out Carlos Zarate in Puerto Rico... I think it was Gomez..
It was Gomez, he had skill like no one ever seen in boxing and hammers on both hands. In his peak he beat anybody. You said you remember my friend Carlos Ortiz, well he gave Flash Elorde two shots at the 135 title and ko him twice. Once in MSG and the other I think it was in Manila. Manny should give Cotto the same opportunity. What do you think?

rudee
05-21-2011, 03:18 AM
Oh yes.. remember Carlos well... him and Joe Brown the best lightweights ever.. The thing about Ortiz is you couldnt hit him... but he could sure hit you.
Fib,, to answer yer question about Cotto.... one more big win for Cotto would definitely earn him another title shot.. but it can't be against the Mayorga type
of fighter.. how about Ortiz?
The problem is,,,, the public doesnt know what you know about Cotto's physical and mental condition prior to the Manny bout. All they
know is Manny beat him decisively on the scorecards... I didnt know myself until you posted it here.
If Cotto beats a Bradley or Ortiz,,, then he puts himself right back at the front of the line. The thing is,,, Manny is fighting twice a year now... and
maybe retire after Marquez. So maybe Cotto will never see Manny again.
I really feel that if Mayweather does come back and fight again,,, I think it will be against Cotto.. would be a perfect matchup for both of em.
Cotto a well known name.. a good fighter... and Mayweather needs a good fighter to come back and be respected again.
Would be a good matchup!!!