Northern Satellites Corp Dish rescued

[Sasquatch]

Hiya folks,,,Here is a dish some folks were going to throw away to the dumpster,,,,,Will go and pick it up Monday,,,,,

Only markings I could find on it was NORTHERN SATELLITES CORP,,,,looks like an 8 footer,,,

Any idea anyone ??

Cheers,,

[Costactc]

Awesome looking dish Sasq. Looks like it's been a while since it's been in use. Must be heavy by the looks of it, you might need a 36" jack to move that baby.

[Glatt]

This Business is not BBB Accredited
Northern Systems Satellite, Corp.
Phone: (800) 725-4525
Fax: (413) 245-3991
220 Stafford Road, Wales, MA 01081-9776

http://www.northernsys.com/

Good Luck

[Costactc]

Must have bee asleep when I saw that second pic. No polar mount, you could have it pointing to your favourite sat.

[Sasquatch]

yep,,or I could fool around trying to make one,,,,,

For now,,I will bring it home and save it from the dumpster,,,,,,Only real negative thing is that I am really running out of space in the back yard,,,,especially after buying a trampoline for my baby girl,,,,

If worst comes to worst,,I will give it away to someone who will put it in good use,,,

I gave the news to my wife,,,and she kinda choked a little but is fine with the idea,,,now let's see the neighbors reaction,,,they were a little reluctant about the BUD,,,,we'll see,,,,

[Costactc]

Don't worry about the neighbours bud, mine think I'm communicating with aliens.

[Sasquatch]

Mine ,,,,now think I am one !!!LOL

[brotherstores]

Looks like the typical communications dishes I see around here for businesses that have credit card access, and elevator music piped into their stores.....only a lot bigger.

My guess is the LNB will tell the story, and that this is from way up north.

[Sasquatch]

Tks DD,,,

The LNB is very skinny,,,will take a pic on Monday

and beeing up North,....yep,,,we are up there,,

Will post some more pics on Monday

Cheers,,,,

[Sasquatch]

Just picked it up this afternoon,,,

The dish is a Northern Satellite Corp NSC 18-1 and the LNBF is a GM-6644,,I think it is a standard Linear LNB

Here are some pics of the LNB,,,,I really wonder why he put such a thick coat of silicon on the mouth of the LNB,,I know it is to protect it from the water coming in,,,but I am not sure the LNB would work as it is ??,Is there something else I could use ???

Cheers

[Costactc]

Why bother, old school. I would slap another lnb on and set it to my favourite sat, unless you want to attempt a mod and motorise it. How heavy is it?

[Sasquatch]

Pretty heavy,,,but I think you're probably right,,,just set it on our favorite sat,,,,

Cheers,,,

[Costactc]

Considering its size, maybe even set it up on your favourite c band sat. Galaxy 16 at 99 has some great programming, including alot of Spanish channels for the wife.

[thetecbrat]

COSTACTC WAS RIGHT IT WAS FOR TRANSMIT RECIEVE VIA CREDIT CARD AND MUSAC !! the corp that leased it was echo**t corp out of kentucky as i was there east coast tech superv back 8 years ago they are still in business but it would make a wonderfull ku band dish.. that was the frequency it trans/recieved on you might want to try to sell the lnb on eslay or? for around a bf they can still be used for a number of sat internet providers... other then that slap another lnb on it and recieve good luck hope the info was usefull i couldnt believe somebody threw that in a dumpster as somebody is or will be in debt for the equiptment lease agreement !! lol enjoy Kudos! thetecbrat


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[Sasquatch]

Tks for the info you all,,,,,,,it's defenitely good to know !

Brgds

Sas

[jvvh5897]

That has to be the ugliest LNB I've ever seen! Looks like something broke off the feed and someone used plumbing hardware to fix it and plastered on silicone to hold it all together. I think I would scrap it. Does look like a Ku band tapered horn--I suppose it could be both Rx and transmit,but I've never seen that setup.

You can pick up new C or Ku band LNBs for under $20US--likely work as well as that old thing. Though I do have an old LNB that works as well as any that I've seen--has separate V and H output though and so I don't use it.

[Sasquatch]

Actually does not look that bad a shape,,,I took it apart and all looks really well preserved on the inside

Cheers,,

[einsvonzehn]

Hello, I dont know whether this thread has gone cold.
I am new here a Brit and living in Austria. I have just picked up one of these dishes with the same markings Northern Sat Corp. Model NSC 18-1. I also have a Lnb fitted a Maspro
11GHz model SCE-975, actually it has 2 of these parts 90° turned would I be correct in assuming Hor. and Vert. or is it a 2 user LNB.
The dish has a fmounting adjustable 4'' pipe, flanged at one end about a meter long to fix to a foundation when I decide where I am going to fix it and whether I will have it motorised if that is not too expensive as it needs to turn on some sort of bearing I assume.
As I am not sure whether this thread is finished please send a copy of any help and advice to my email address
Thanks in anticipation.


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[Gold]

Hello, I dont know whether this thread has gone cold.
I am new here a Brit and living in Austria. I have just picked up one of these dishes with the same markings Northern Sat Corp. Model NSC 18-1. I also have a Lnb fitted a Maspro
11GHz model SCE-975, actually it has 2 of these parts 90° turned would I be correct in assuming Hor. and Vert. or is it a 2 user LNB.
The dish has a fmounting adjustable 4'' pipe, flanged at one end about a meter long to fix to a foundation when I decide where I am going to fix it and whether I will have it motorised if that is not too expensive as it needs to turn on some sort of bearing I assume.
As I am not sure whether this thread is finished please send a copy of any help and advice to my email address
Thanks in anticipation.


I'm really not sure on that. I could easily see it being both a dual LNB set up or a reverse polarity set up.

First thing first make sure you have the right LNB. Here in the US most everything is digital. There are a few analog channels still out there, but last count was around 12. I figure its the same where you live.

It looks like the LNB is fitted with a C120 feedhorn flange, so if you need to replace the LNB make sure & keep that feedhorn, even if you dont use it.

Like a lot of people on this board, I'd sure be interested in more photos:okay:

[einsvonzehn]

Hello, thanks for the reply. Here also most is digital a lot of the german are still analog on astra1 but that will all change shortly. The LNB looks in pretty good cond. but if its analog then I must get a new one. I assume the dish will be usable in US I would say it is 6'6''x 6'3'' you dont appear to recognise metric measurments.
With such a dish, how can this be motorised, what I mean do I need a smooth bearing in the post to let it turn with an actuator or does a motor take the full weight which is no lightweight. Is there anywhere on the web where I can see such an example?
Im not sure what you mean with the feed horn flange, (the bracket for holding the LNB?) I was thinking all our normal LNB's have a diameter of maybe 11/2'', I was thinking maybe I should get this altered to take the bigger diameter LND as I assume the 3 support tubes and this LNB holder line up to the centre of the dish.
At the moment I am using 2 dishes on 2 satelites but english ITV programmes fade off in the evening so a bigger dish was required, but I would also like to pickup THOR 5 or 6 which is approx 29° westward.
In Austria we still have a lot of snow so it will be late spring when I plan to fix it but would like to plan first.

[Gold]

Hello, thanks for the reply. Here also most is digital a lot of the german are still analog on astra1 but that will all change shortly. The LNB looks in pretty good cond. but if its analog then I must get a new one. I assume the dish will be usable in US I would say it is 6'6''x 6'3'' you dont appear to recognise metric measurments.
With such a dish, how can this be motorised, what I mean do I need a smooth bearing in the post to let it turn with an actuator or does a motor take the full weight which is no lightweight. Is there anywhere on the web where I can see such an example?
Im not sure what you mean with the feed horn flange, (the bracket for holding the LNB?) I was thinking all our normal LNB's have a diameter of maybe 11/2'', I was thinking maybe I should get this altered to take the bigger diameter LND as I assume the 3 support tubes and this LNB holder line up to the centre of the dish.
At the moment I am using 2 dishes on 2 satelites but english ITV programmes fade off in the evening so a bigger dish was required, but I would also like to pickup THOR 5 or 6 which is approx 29° westward.
In Austria we still have a lot of snow so it will be late spring when I plan to fix it but would like to plan first.

That's a whopper of a dish.
Yes it can be motorized, but you are probably either going to have to find a polar mount to purchase of find an old C Band dish & use the mount from that. Either way it will take a little modification.
Here is an example of a polar mount
hxxp://www.satellitesuperstore.com/images/ravenpolarmount3dc.jpg

He has many photos on his website.

I built my outdoor TV antenna rotor mount on bearrings & would not reccomend that any more. The old C Band dishes just had a bolt through a bushing.

The feed horn flange is the "eye" part of your dish
Here's an example
hxxp://www.bing.com/images/search?q=feed+horn+flange&qpvt=feed+horn+flange&FORM=Z7FD1

Your flange was designed for your dish, so even if you dont use it now hang on to it, as you might need it later. Yes you are correct. The two out side tubes are the supports & the one in the middle is the support bracket.

Please keep us informed of your progress :okay:

[yostormy]

lnb for horizontal or vertical polarization

[einsvonzehn]

Thanks again Augoldfinger.I have now loaded pics of all parts plus 2 others. One being the Polar Mount you send the link for and the other is another example but this is a more flatter configuration, will my dish be more vertical or like the flatter one. By looking at the support pipe it seems to have been used more vertically. What is the difference?
The other pics show my 2mt dish front and Back. 2 of the pipe support. One of an example of a foundation with pipe flange, I suppose I should fix mine like this.
2 pics of the lng again, there doesnt seem to be anything across the front lens part, I can see inside is a part missing. The inside seems to be very clean. Then there is a pic of the 3 LNB struts.
From the example of the PolarMount I couldnt see what turns. Is it that galvanised piece clamped around the black pipe that swivells. Can a motor mount be bought for a 4" standard gas pipe with actuator or is it a motor ? What type of dish is mine called, Is it Offset or has it another name.?
Regards again.

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[einsvonzehn]

Continued. Only 5 pics loaded. Here are the rest.

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[Gold]

Thanks again Augoldfinger.I have now loaded pics of all parts plus 2 others. One being the Polar Mount you send the link for and the other is another example but this is a more flatter configuration, will my dish be more vertical or like the flatter one. By looking at the support pipe it seems to have been used more vertically. What is the difference?
The other pics show my 2mt dish front and Back. 2 of the pipe support. One of an example of a foundation with pipe flange, I suppose I should fix mine like this.
2 pics of the lng again, there doesnt seem to be anything across the front lens part, I can see inside is a part missing. The inside seems to be very clean. Then there is a pic of the 3 LNB struts.
From the example of the PolarMount I couldnt see what turns. Is it that galvanised piece clamped around the black pipe that swivels. Can a motor mount be bought for a 4" standard gas pipe with actuator or is it a motor ? What type of dish is mine called, Is it Offset or has it another name.?
Regards again.


I think the pic of the pipe you posted is just for mounting the dish in a stable fixed way. That doesn't look like a polar mount
I posted a polar mount in the first attachment.

The red part is my pole which is cemented stationary. The green cap bolts onto the pole. This gets locked in place with your final adjustments. The one piece that has gold & black metal is part of my actuator mover. This motor rotates the dish along the arc

The second pic is the back of a 1.2 meter dish I have. It has what is called a DiSEqC motor...The dish is a little too big for that motor. Your dish is definitely too big. There is a mover that is made on your side of the pound that can handle it...Called a Jaeger SMR 1224. It can move up to a 2.4 meter.

You are correct your dish is called an Offset.
The third pic is a pic of one of my C Band dishes which is called a Prime Focus

& the last pic is what the supports with LNB should look like.

[einsvonzehn]

Thanks again, From the 2 ways of turning the dish, I would say the cheapest is the push pull actuator. On you 1st pic I see the fixed base pole which I will have on mine. I see the green cap with the bolts fixing the dish to the pole. What is not too clear is what moves, I can see a bolt with a nut secured with a splitpin. Is this the pivot for it to move left ot right?
From what you see from my configuration could I modify this and fix an actuator. Does the actuator work as well as a motor?
Regards

[Gold]

Thanks again, From the 2 ways of turning the dish, I would say the cheapest is the push pull actuator. On you 1st pic I see the fixed base pole which I will have on mine. I see the green cap with the bolts fixing the dish to the pole. What is not too clear is what moves, I can see a bolt with a nut secured with a splitpin. Is this the pivot for it to move left ot right?
From what you see from my configuration could I modify this and fix an actuator. Does the actuator work as well as a motor?
Regards

Yes, you are correct on what part moves. There is also one bolt on the bottom side. The actuator arm is a motor. There is a acme screw inside the gold tube which is controlled by a sensor inside a DC servo motor. The motor is controlled by what is called a VBox positioner, which hooks up to the receiver.

The actuator arm does work as well as a DiSEqC motor, but the Jaeger that I mentioned will go horizon to horizon...The actuator arm will not. The longer the arm the more Sats you pic up.

Mine is a 18" which is the smallest standard size in the States. I can go up to a 36" & pull in Sats from 139 AMC 8 - 22 NSS 7, but I thought why bother I speak only English, most all those in the Atlantic Belt are Spanish. I'm satisfied with 139 - 72:yes:

[Costactc]

Awesome thread gents. I use 24" VonWeise actuators on my dishes and have a coverage from 11w-127w. When I lived in Southern Europe about 11 years ago. I had a 1.4m offset dish combined with an 18" actuator and my arc back then was approx 85e-43w.

[einsvonzehn]

Thanks again, I probably to start with only want an arc from say 10°w to 35°E. I had been hoping to get some info from a sat shop here to see the availability of pushers and motors but was too busy. I am going to Spain from Wednesday for 5 weeks so cannot do much till may. Thats what I had planned as we ae still frozen solid here.
One last question, the angle that the dish swivells, this bolt we mention with the splitpin through the nut. How do you work out the angle as I presume this then would follow the arc of the satelites. The posistion where the dish will be postioned is N46°.52059 and E14°.1415137
If you could inform me were I get this calculation from I would be most obliged and I will inform you when I had got everything working satisfactory, if I succeed.
No I am optimistic.

[Gold]

A site I like to use is called "dishpointer"
You can pinpoint your elevation & true southern sat. From the looks of the location you gave you are in the country like me.
I'm sure you are aware with your dish being an offset & being at the 46° parallel your dish will be much more vertical then the one I pictured

[RimaNTSS]

Hi! Sorry for waking up this mummy. I am doing some research on this antenna, cuz I got same couple of month ago. It had no markings, so I was curious to get know the name and it's parameters.
So, what I've found out by now: it is probably good antenna, keeps it's shape after all those years of usage. It had 26,7* offset angle and 88*opening angle (or 0,52 F/D ratio). Dimentions of the working area are 2015 x 1800 mm.
Mine has also polar-mount.

[jvvh5897]

Hard to say. It looks like a molded dish (judging by the stiffening ridges on the back) and those often have mold impressions somewhere on them. The grey metal mount looks a lot like the PrimeStar ones so my first guess would be the same manuf made both, as PrimeStar too were molded dishes with stiffening ridges on the back.

[Costactc]

That looks like an old Channel Master dish to me.

[RimaNTSS]

I am tending to say it is Northern Satellite Corp NSC 18-1
I appreciate if somebody could provide exact datasheet of this antenna.

[Gates07]

looks like a old microwave dish

[Sasquatch]

I actually never had the chance to use it and I searched for the datasheet before but never could find it

You are right RimaNTSS, it is a Northern Satellite Corp NSC 18-1 with a feedhorn flange C120,,
I never could put it in use and still have it in my garage, since we moved here in Northern Canada our house is very close to the Ocean,,,,so the winds would actually pick up this sucker since it is a solid dish and it would fly away in an instant,,,we often have winds well over 110-120 Kmph in this area.

I have the address and info of the company if you want to look for the datasheet :

Northern Systems Satellite, Corp.
Phone: (800) 725-4525
Fax: (413) 245-3991
220 Stafford Road, Wales, MA 01081-9776

http://xxx.northernsys.com/

Instead, I got myself an old 10' Winegard mesh BUD that I will try to install this coming spring,,, hoping that it will withstand the winds,,,but am a little skeptical since La Cage au Sport had an old 10' mesh BUD on their roof and the winds shredded some of the panels,,,,,We' ll see

Cheers and Good luck !

Sas

[RimaNTSS]

we often have winds well over 110-120 Kmph Thanks for the company's web page, unfortunately there is no much data available. Did not try to phone them though. I have my dish stored in the garage as well. If everything goes right, I will probably be able to install antenna next summer. By now I have ordered 4 INOX main bolts instead of old galvanized and rusty ones.
And, BTW, I think that this dis, properly installed, can survive winds up to 200 Kmph.

[RimaNTSS]

Hi All!
Just to keep this thread alive, with some perspectives to be continued. I got new INOX screws for this dish. And that is all by now. Still have plans to install dish this summer.

[RimaNTSS]

Today I gave good hand-wash to the dish. Under layer of dirt discovered name :tehe:
I also have original polar-mount from this dish, which I already disassembled, greased an d changed all possible bolts and nuts and assembled again. So, if everything goes according to my plans than in couple of weeks will have this beast installed.

[RimaNTSS]

Have erected this beast today and also got due-South satellite. I man not looking for maximum arc, just piece of it to test this antenna.
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