Roach wants Pacquiao to knock out Marquez

[Gamer]

c/p from boxingnews24
By Chris Williams: Trainer Freddie Roach doesn’t want to leave anything to chance with the judges possibly taking away a would-be victory, and to keep that from happening, Roach is instructing his fighter Manny Pacquiao (53-3-2, 38 KO’s) to try and stop 38-year-old Juan Manuel Marquez (52-5-1, 38 KO’s) on November 12th in their mega fight at the MGM Grand, in Las Vegas, Nevada. Pacquiao went life and death with Marquez in their two previous fights with many people thinking that Marquez should have won both of them.
Marquez was the much better fighter in each of these fights but was held to a 12 round draw in fight #1 in 2004 and a 12 round split decision defeat in fight #2 in 2008. Roach obviously doesn’t want to take any chances that Marquez makes Pacquiao look like a novice in November and is giving him instructions to take Marquez out. Roach has things titled in Pacquiao’s favor in this fight with the bout taking place at 144, which is basically the full welterweight weight minus three pounds. That’s a catchweight but it’s hardly a catchweight fight that will be of any benefit to the 135 pound Marquez. He has to come up in weight quite a bit to take this fight instead of Pacquiao meeting him at the half way point.
There is also the age factor. Marquez is almost 40. If they had given Marquez a rematch immediately three years ago, things wouldn’t be so bad because Marquez would be only 35. But 38, that’s a high number for a boxer. I can’t imagine Marquez winning being both smaller and a lot older. But looks like Roach is still worried and wants to take the judges out of it. I wonder what else will pop up in the coming months that will give Pacquiao more advantages in this bout.

[rokko]

this guy is another pac hater.all of his articles are biased.as far as this being a catchweight fight marquez can come in at what ever weight he feels comfortable at, as long as it isnt over 144.he doesnt have to bloat up like he did with floyd

[el chido]

Roach's approach to This Bout is one of a a Very Worried Trainer. He definitely has some serious concerns of Marquez getting up, dusting Himself up and continuing on until the last round, like He did the last They met. Although I doubt Marquez making It to the last round, not for knockout but perhaps to a stoppage, He can make Pacman's life miserable throughout the fight, and that's what I think Roach doesn't want, for His Star pupil's image to be darkened by a soon to be 40 year old-soon-to-be-retired Mexican Boxer with enormous Huevos!

[aquariusone]

El Chido, amigo, I get dizzy watching those moving mountains! LOL!

Rokko, you are absolutely right about Chris Williams. He is, and some people are, speculating and opining about this fight for what it is not. The short and long end of this fight is not about all those things he is saying about Roach; not about their last two fights; not about how tough Marquez was and could be; and certainly not about Roach's desire for Pacquiao to knock him out.

Do you really think that Marquez is concerned about his age, his weight, or his chances against Pacquiao?

The truth is that those are all of secondary importance. When he signed the papers, he won the sweepstakes - for the highest purse he could ever earn from boxing. And while he may try as hard as he could to force the issue with Pacman, he would be laughing all the way to the bank the next day! - Just like Mosley, or the others.

[gino60]

The pacman is on top of his game and Marquez comes to fight He,ll be easy for manny to hit and the money,s good too.

[Fibroso]

El Cucaracho is just trying to make this an interesting fight by making this comment. Since the Mayweather/Ortiz announcement, this fight has gone to a second level as far as the promo. He is clear that the last fight with Mosley wasn't really the spectacle the people wanted to see, so he's trying to make this one a better one. Each time someone speaks contrary to what Manny's fans think it is immediately called a hater. Well, that's to bad, peeps are gone continue doing it. You're a fan or you're not and paper hold whatever is written. Marquez has always display his cojones, specially in a face to face confrontation, Manny's style is made to order. I feel Manny is in for a fight this time and Cucaracho knows that.

[KIDWCKED]

El Chido, amigo, I get dizzy watching those moving mountains! LOL!

Rokko, you are absolutely right about Chris Williams. He is, and some people are, speculating and opining about this fight for what it is not. The short and long end of this fight is not about all those things he is saying about Roach; not about their last two fights; not about how tough Marquez was and could be; and certainly not about Roach's desire for Pacquiao to knock him out.

Do you really think that Marquez is concerned about his age, his weight, or his chances against Pacquiao?

The truth is that those are all of secondary importance. When he signed the papers, he won the sweepstakes - for the highest purse he could ever earn from boxing. And while he may try as hard as he could to force the issue with Pacman, he would be laughing all the way to the bank the next day! - Just like Mosley, or the others.

I absolutely agree for sure.The only thing i can't understand is,why did Pacquaio take this fight???I'm personally not intrested in it at all.Manny has already faced much tougher opponents then Marquez could ever be.Am i not right???Cheers Aqua..

[Condor]

I absolutely agree for sure.The only thing i can't understand is,why did Pacquaio take this fight???I'm personally not intrested in it at all.Manny has already faced much tougher opponents then Marquez could ever be.Am i not right???Cheers Aqua..

Well maybe because In my view Marquez has been one of the very toughest opponents manny has faced... Even though I know he is now too old and beat up to contend as he did before... he Todd great to "see' you back in action mi amigo............Saludos.........

[KIDWCKED]

Well maybe because In my view Marquez has been one of the very toughest opponents manny has faced... Even though I know he is now too old and beat up to contend as he did before... he Todd great to "see' you back in action mi amigo............Saludos.........

Nice to see you too amigo.. Much Saludos Ehhh!!:D

[aquariusone]

I absolutely agree for sure.The only thing i can't understand is,why did Pacquaio take this fight???I'm personally not intrested in it at all.Manny has already faced much tougher opponents then Marquez could ever be.Am i not right???Cheers Aqua..

Because the first two fights were tough for both and because Marquez (and his fans) believe that he "won" both, this third one is ... well, to settle the controversy. In spite of the odds, I think this will generate a large PPV buy; much larger that the Pacquiao/Mosley for sure.

Hey todd, welcome back!

[Fibroso]

This isn't about believes but how Manny's face looked like at the end of both encounters. Both fights were transmitted on national tv, everybody watched how Juan Manuel got up and whipped Manny's but from then on, while Manny's fans watched his hero unable to produced the long awaited KO. Now the odds are against the Mexican fighter not because of age but because of the Filipino's "unexplained growth".

Welcome back Todd, we missed you.

[Condor]

This isn't about believes but how Manny's face looked like at the end of both encounters. Both fights were transmitted on national tv, everybody watched how Juan Manuel got up and whipped Manny's but from then on, while Manny's fans watched his hero unable to produced the long awaited KO. Now the odds are against the Mexican fighter not because of age but because of the Filipino's "unexplained growth".

Welcome back Todd, we missed you.

Heheheheee!!!.. I get the feeling u dont like Pac man very much Fib... He has been called the "Mexican assasin".. Even tho' he has whooped on all my "paisanos" I admire talent and wether he is ever proven he enhanced himself..Or not......He is an amazing fighter... Lets remember he came up all the way from a Flyweight.. that is just amazing to me...........Saludos.......

[Fibroso]

Heheheheee!!!.. I get the feeling u dont like Pac man very much Fib... He has been called the "Mexican assasin".. Even tho' he has whooped on all my "paisanos" I admire talent and wether he is ever proven he enhanced himself..Or not......He is an amazing fighter... Lets remember he came up all the way from a Flyweight.. that is just amazing to me...........Saludos.......

I also think he is an amazing fighter, just don't like the people around him or the way he came up in weight so inexplicable. I also think his team needs to give a rematch to my paisano Cotto since they took away a championship by draining him down in weight. Coming from flyweight is what makes it hard to believe my dear friend, history tell you that most go up and lose speed and punch. The controversy with Floyd made his team stay in 147 pounds. If that would have not come up we will probably see him fight Wladimir Klitschko. Amazing indeed. hahahaha

[KIDWCKED]

Because the first two fights were tough for both and because Marquez (and his fans) believe that he "won" both, this third one is ... well, to settle the controversy. In spite of the odds, I think this will generate a large PPV buy; much larger that the Pacquiao/Mosley for sure.

Hey todd, welcome back!

Why thank you Aqua..I guess what i really mean is Paquiao has stepped up to bigger fighters and moving up up and away..This to me looks like a step back.I would rather see him fight Rafeal.Or perhaps Martinez and keep making incredible landmarks like he does and not for PPV buys because of the popularity regarding Marquez.Could Marquez beat Margarito or Mosley??Hmmm probably couldn't make weight in my opinion and Pacquiao is a whole new breed of fighter that Marquez probably can't contend with.Maybe back in the day Marquez had a chance bro..Jmo my friend..Nice to see ya!!

[Condor]

I also think he is an amazing fighter, just don't like the people around him or the way he came up in weight so inexplicable. I also think his team needs to give a rematch to my paisano Cotto since they took away a championship by draining him down in weight. Coming from flyweight is what makes it hard to believe my dear friend, history tell you that most go up and lose speed and punch. The controversy with Floyd made his team stay in 147 pounds. If that would have not come up we will probably see him fight Wladimir Klitschko. Amazing indeed. hahahaha

Now that would be amazing....Heheheheheeee!!!!!!!.. If he was only about 4" taller he probably would as Roy Jones did.. Lol.......

[aquariusone]

It's about time to stop this b***sh** about weight differences. It seems many here can't see beyond their noses as far as boxing is concerned. You could do your own research, gain wisdom (if there is any hope) and rather than making inferences about wrong doing because of Pacquiao's rise in weight - be informed. Michael Spinks fought at middleweight against eddie benson and later fought Larry Holmes at heavyweight 223 lbs. Roy Jones started at welterweight against Ricky Randall; recently he fought at heavyweight against Denis Lebedev. Floyd Patterson fought Eddie Godbol at 163 lbs.; later he boxed with Ali at 218 pounds.

For centuries, no one could run a mile in less than 4 minutes until Roger Bannister did it in 1954. Usain Bolt broke the record for the fastest 100 meter sprint at 9.58 seconds. A Malaysian girl in grade one completed her study of Calculus - which is a university subject.

I bet if you knew how, you could find all kinds of records broken by man since the stone age.

[rudee]

Very well put Aqua.... didn't Henry Armstrong hold 3 different weight championships??? thats quite a weight differential... totally agree on the Manny and the weight thing.
Bottom line IS!!! he will have to weigh in at 144!!!!! against Marquez.... AND Marquez will be at the same weight.. so whats the big deal????
Funny,,,, when Floyd came in at over 160 for Marquez,, noone questioned if he was on some kind of drugs... he started boxing at a light weight.
I agree,,, we are all really overdoing it on the Manny and the weight thing,, there have been many many fighters that have gained lotsa weight... you dont have to take
drugs to gain weight...just ask the people on "The Biggest Losers" they will confirm this..
Now lets just get on with the fight...
Lets hope its a good one... promises to be.
Glad for the people in Boston!!! They finally got the cup back!!!! (i know,, off topic)

[aquariusone]

Yes, indeed. Henry Armstrong's first fight was at 120 pounds (against Al Lovino in 1931). He got KOed in the 3rd round of a 4 round fight. In 1933, he started to move up in weight and fought Kid Moro of the Philippines in a 10-round bout (at 130 pounds) which was initially ruled as a "draw". The large crowd nearly caused a riot because of that decision, which was reversed in favor of Armstrong by a state commissioner. The referee was threatened and was given police protection. Armstrong moved all the way up to welterweight (144) and fought Chester Slider who weighed in at 147.5 in their last fight with controversies.

Damn, he must have been on PED! Hehehehehehe!

[Condor]

Yes, indeed. Henry Armstrong's first fight was at 120 pounds (against Al Lovino in 1931). He got KOed in the 3rd round of a 4 round fight. In 1933, he started to move up in weight and fought Kid Moro of the Philippines in a 10-round bout (at 130 pounds) which was initially ruled as a "draw". The large crowd nearly caused a riot because of that decision, which was reversed in favor of Armstrong by a state commissioner. The referee was threatened and was given police protection. Armstrong moved all the way up to welterweight (144) and fought Chester Slider who weighed in at 147.5 in their last fight with controversies.

Damn, he must have been on PED! Hehehehehehe!

Yes Aqua..but did u know he..................http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz217/Bolivia_03/Smilies/ANIMATIONBONGSMILEY.gif....crack?????????......... .http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz217/Bolivia_03/Smilies/10.gif

[aquariusone]

No, but go ahead and tell us.

[Fibroso]

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/armstrong-henry-66.jpg Henry Armstrong
(Henry Melody Jackson)
("Homicide Hank")

BORN December 12 1912; St. Louis, Missouri (Some sources report Columbus, Mississippi) DIED October 23 1988; Los Angeles, California HEIGHT 5-5 1/2 WEIGHT 120-147 lbs MANAGERS Wirt Ross, Eddie Meade, George Moore TRAINER Al Silvani RECORD 149-21-9 (100 KO) Armstrong was dynamite in a small package; He was a high pressure, non-stop fighter who threw punches from the beginning to the end of every round; His goal was to knock his man out - if he didn't manage that, he certainly battered him thoroughly

Henry held three world titles - Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight - in a period when only eight weight divisions existed; At the beginning, his performance was rather good but not sensational; However, when he hit stride in the mid 1930s, Armstrong was as good as anyone has ever been; During 1937, he was 27-0 with 26 knockouts; In 1938, he was 14-0 with 10 knockouts; From December, 1936 until September, 1940, Henry compiled a 59-1-1 record (51 KOs) competing against the best in the world

Charley Rose ranked Armstrong as the #6 All-Time Welterweight; Nat Fleischer ranked him as the #8 All-Time Welterweight; Herb Goldman ranked Armstrong as the #4 All-Time Lightweight; He was inducted into the Ring Boxing Hall of Fame in 1954 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1990


Henry started at 120 pounds going up to 147 pounds. Pac started at 98 pounds, going up to 150 pounds. If Henry used sometype of juice, the mechanisms to detect it weren't there. Now we do have them, if the will to go through the test is there. Nor Spinks, Jones or Henry can compare to what has been done with the filipino in the pursue of fame, exposing him to dangerous events. The fact that the decission to stay in the welterweight limitt was taken opens up speculations that this pursue of greatness is on halt. JMO

[aquariusone]

You are persistent with your unsubstantiated, malicious, and defamatory inferences on Pacquiao. When will you stop? Do you realize that a judge has thrown out a motion by Mayweather's attorney to dismiss the defamatory suit against Mayweather? That it is going through because those allegations were made with malicious intent to harm Pacquiao? And here you are doing the same thing.

And in case you did not get it, my last statement about Armstrong was made facetiously!

And you are wrong about Pacquiao's start...he started boxing when he was barely 50 pounds! On the streets of General Santos.

[rokko]

delusional lunatic fringe

[Condor]

You are persistent with your unsubstantiated, malicious, and defamatory inferences on Pacquiao. When will you stop? Do you realize that a judge has thrown out a motion by Mayweather's attorney to dismiss the defamatory suit against Mayweather? That it is going through because those allegations were made with malicious intent to harm Pacquiao? And here you are doing the same thing.

And in case you did not get it, my last statement about Armstrong was made facetiously!

And you are wrong about Pacquiao's start...he started boxing when he was barely 50 pounds! On the streets of General Santos.

Woooo...Woooo!!!!!! Aquaman... Easy does it.. you are being pretty harsh on our friend here... Everyone is entitled to an opinion... he doesnt like Manny...I dont like Mayweather but there are more subtle ways to express our feelings without insulting each other personally my friend.. (by the way I put a smiley on my reply above..meaning I was joking regarding Armstrong)

[aquariusone]

Ah, senor Bolivia, if you know me, I try "not to call a spade" a spade. (And I also knew you were joking - with your last post. At least I am not that dumb. Hehehe!)

And I do consider Senor Fibroso, a friend, believe it or not. But at the same time, in a heated discussion with friends, there are occasions when I'd tell them to just f-off when they are completely out of line - not in anger however - but often in jest and tongue-in-cheek. If we were having nachos and beer having this argument (amongst friends) believe it or not, language will be a lot more colorful than "SOB". Amidst fancy adjectives and expletives, and differences of opinion, we'd all still be laughing our heads off when the day is over.

[Condor]

I know and I hear u... But if someone that doesnt know up above see's it they wont know..So I just cleaned it up a little... I am sure Fib and all of us boxing fanatics that hang out here understand... But again someone else may not.... Salud............http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/stiven8/salud.jpg