Internet customer names sought for Hurt Locker suit.

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Three Canadian internet service providers have untill the end of Monday, Sept 12 , to hand over the names of customers suspected to have illegally shared The Hurt Locker movie on line.

What makes this a paticularly noteworthy case is it's the first big peer- copyright litigation in Canada in a number of years ,Said Micheal Geist, a law professor at the university of Ottawa who holds a Canadian Research chair in the internet and e_commerce Law.

Cogeco said 10 of its customers are affected and Bell said fewer than 10 of it's customers are involved.Videotron declined comment.

Geist said under the existing Canadian copyright law, defendants could be liable for up to $20,000 in damages.

Ontario MP Charley Angus, digtital affairs critic for the NDP, expressed concern that the law suits are being used to intimidate innocent people en masse to pay large settlements to copyright holders.

These are shakedown lawsuits, he said you send a bunch of treatening notices to people
threatening to take them to court with all your lawyers and tell them to cough up some money -it's outrageous.
He said the case represent a "disturbing trend."

Angus added that IP addresses aren't evidence of wrongdoing, as people such as his own elderly mother may fail to secure their wireless network connection, allowing other people to use it.

I think this is an example of why it's so hard for politicians to trust these lobbists "Angust said" We have to clear rules that they can't pull this in Canada.

In addition to limiting liability for non-commercial copyright infringement, the Government"s copyright bill from the last session, Bill-32 ,includes provisions to shut down pirate sites- something Angus beliefs is more balanced approach than targeting indivituals with law suits.

The Bill "C"-32 died when the election was called this spring. Heritage Minister James Moore has indicated that the Government plans to reintroduce an exact copy this fall. However, the bill could be delayed by a number of Supreme Court cases related to intellectionual property.

With respect to the court order, Geist questioned whether the three affected ISPs did enough to ensure the interest of their subscribers. He said during recording industry.
lawsuits in the past, IPs raised concerns of their subscribers. The three IPs seemingly
did nothing at all, he said.Adding that they could have at least notified subscribers and given the opportunity to get advice from a Lawyer.

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[kirkstarland]

Wow! This is still going on for the exact same movie among many porns and other unheard of independent films my sister was being blamed for sharing. She pretty much uses internet for facebook and bills as well as her internet radio i set up for her ("radiosure" great app) but as far as knowing how to get movies off the internet and porn of all things is hilarious. What solid method of monitoring these sites for movies are they using and what makes it so credible. Anyway she had to file some petition with the judge to remain anonymous within like a week from the post of her notice or charter would have to give up her name. This is very serious and very wrong. So with a law degree it also serves as a license for legal racketeering huh. lmao. Her or i still have no clue as to how her ip address ended up causing her all this grief but haven't heard anything for a year now. She was looking at felony copyright laws and was offered to settle for I think somewhere between 2 and $5000.00 per movie. She was petitioned as Jane doe as the plaintiffs only knew her by her ip address.

[Terryl]

If she has a WIFI router (or any type of wireless router) then anyone (with the proper skills) can hack into it and use her ISP, they (the ISP) only look at the modems IP address, that IP address is listed to her at her home/work address, you should put some sort of network monitoring software on here system, that way she can tell if an intruder is using the system.

Look into software like "Network Magic" or other types like it.

[marcelect]

I have just sign a petition towards ip spying by the various communist agencies and goverment regarding this illegal activity.It is against our privacy rights.It's another way for Bell and the CRTC towards whatever there after and control for more money.

[Pollypurabred]

If indeed this is true, then I would hire a "certify/reputable" network person to see if they can catch/capture anyone using their services.


Wow! This is still going on for the exact same movie among many porns and other unheard of independent films my sister was being blamed for sharing. She pretty much uses internet for facebook and bills as well as her internet radio i set up for her ("radiosure" great app) but as far as knowing how to get movies off the internet and porn of all things is hilarious. What solid method of monitoring these sites for movies are they using and what makes it so credible. Anyway she had to file some petition with the judge to remain anonymous within like a week from the post of her notice or charter would have to give up her name. This is very serious and very wrong. So with a law degree it also serves as a license for legal racketeering huh. lmao. Her or i still have no clue as to how her ip address ended up causing her all this grief but haven't heard anything for a year now. She was looking at felony copyright laws and was offered to settle for I think somewhere between 2 and $5000.00 per movie. She was petitioned as Jane doe as the plaintiffs only knew her by her ip address.

[Nostradamus]

If indeed this is true, then I would hire a "certify/reputable" network person to see if they can catch/capture anyone using their services.

how would you physically capture them? The only way to really identify them would be hack the system they are hacking with and you might grab some personal info or a MAC addy but what do you do with that? You just can't run around the neighborhood then looking for that computer and any evidence you gathered that way would be inadmissible as well.

Your best line of defense is turn off the WIFI on your router when it is not in use and use an encryption key on it at all times. There are people in every town that just drive around with a laptop looking for open networks and then they have their fun. Log on to an open network and then typing either 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 will usually get you into the network panel of the router of the system you are hitting. From there you can also mess with other computers on the system.

The ones getting accused of piracy is just really the internet providers passing the buck and onus on to the endusers. Many people are enticed by the thought of free movies or music from the internet. Most of the programs used to obtain those run on specific ports not commonly used. IKS is a similar situation. If the internet providers blocked all but the most commonly used ports (80, 8080, 110, 25, etc) and oonly open additional ports on the subscribers request then anything happening on the port would be direct result of account holder. That would make it a slam dunk for the ones filing the lawsuit. But at the same time the internet providers would probably lose a lot of customers if they started regulating the bandwidth that way.

Who do you thionk is going to win that one? The providers will just continue to pass the buck to end users while they say they do not condone piracy but do nothing to prevent it as piracy is the biggest part of their meal ticket. Especially when they post things on their websites like this:

Download speeds

Video streaming, downloading large files & music at incredibly fast speeds

with 70Mbps dowload and 30 Mbps upload speeds. Well damn man that is a pirate's fantasy. Nothing more , nothing less

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Wow! This is still going on for the exact same movie among many porns and other unheard of independent films my sister was being blamed for sharing. She pretty much uses internet for facebook and bills as well as her internet radio i set up for her ("radiosure" great app) but as far as knowing how to get movies off the internet and porn of all things is hilarious. What solid method of monitoring these sites for movies are they using and what makes it so credible. Anyway she had to file some petition with the judge to remain anonymous within like a week from the post of her notice or charter would have to give up her name. This is very serious and very wrong. So with a law degree it also serves as a license for legal racketeering huh. lmao. Her or i still have no clue as to how her ip address ended up causing her all this grief but haven't heard anything for a year now. She was looking at felony copyright laws and was offered to settle for I think somewhere between 2 and $5000.00 per movie. She was petitioned as Jane doe as the plaintiffs only knew her by her ip address.

Sorry to hear about this incident with your sister. Where did this take place, I assume this happened in the States? Did she have a solicitor?

[Night_Predator]

This type of garbage is going on in many other aspects of our society. Here is the US the Patriot Act is being used for things it was never intended for. Nothing is private any longer and it is getting worse not better. I am all for protecting the country but where is the line? When do we give up to much for our safety? Here in the US they wouldn’t even need a warrant to get that information. For that matter the Authorities do not need one to look at your web browsing, email or listen in on your phone calls. Stalin would be proud. They only need to “believe a terrorist crime may be committed” or “that ‘national security is at risk”. As for our email they don’t even need those pretences.

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This type of garbage is going on in many other aspects of our society. Here is the US the Patriot Act is being used for things it was never intended for. Nothing is private any longer and it is getting worse not better. I am all for protecting the country but where is the line? When do we give up to much for our safety? Here in the US they wouldn’t even need a warrant to get that information. For that matter the Authorities do not need one to look at your web browsing, email or listen in on your phone calls. Stalin would be proud. They only need to “believe a terrorist crime may be committed” or “that ‘national security is at risk”. As for our email they don’t even need those pretences.

Unfortunately I must agree with you.

[bcreek]

Do they have the right to do that?

[Pollypurabred]

(http://www.satfix.net/member.php?40881-Nostradamus)Nostradamus (http://www.satfix.net/member.php?40881-Nostradamus),

I too use to believe that but I do believe, if you have the money, the pros certainly have the expertise to track a local-yokel down!

[JCO]

This type of garbage is going on in many other aspects of our society. Here is the US the Patriot Act is being used for things it was never intended for. Nothing is private any longer and it is getting worse not better. I am all for protecting the country but where is the line? When do we give up to much for our safety? Here in the US they wouldn’t even need a warrant to get that information. For that matter the Authorities do not need one to look at your web browsing, email or listen in on your phone calls. Stalin would be proud. They only need to “believe a terrorist crime may be committed” or “that ‘national security is at risk”. As for our email they don’t even need those pretences.

The NSA is able to monitor all telephone, internet and even encrypted communications with their supercomputers.. They sniff out key words, the info is logged and they look at it in more detail if it seems serious.. Surveilance sattelites are able to read the fine print on a newspaper page these days.. Yes Big Brother is out there and they can access anything they want..

[nada233]

lmao,wow so much for our freedom,and then we though the russian were the bad ones.

[Pollypurabred]

The ideal thing is to not get on their watch-list because once you do, your grand kids-grand kids-grand kids-grand kids; well you get the meaning.