MAYWEATHER KO'ed - by LARRY MERCHANT

[aquariusone]

Special report by Tim Dahlberg AP SPORTS COLUMNIST <br />
Published in the San Francisco Chronicle <br />
(09-21) 13:40 PDT LAS VEGAS (AP) -- <br />
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Larry Merchant wasn't quite sure he'd be able to say anything on...

[rokko]

every little thing sets floyd off--sounds like roid rage to me-as far as accusing manny of ped use you know what they say--a dog smells his own first

[soulman]

Larry knows that Floyd hates him....although I disagree with Floyd's reaction, Larry should have been expecting it....and he probably was not surprised. Both Larry and Jim Lampley in my opinion are well beyond their "best before date". Should the Floyd/ Manny fight ever be set.... I'll bet that HBO will not get the ppv if Floyd has the final say.

[rokko]

i dont think it was merchant that set him off--it was the fact he was getting booed big time by all the people at the mgm

[KIDWCKED]

Larry Merchant has a wealth of knowledge in this sport dating back probably 60yrs..I am trying to like Kellerman but it's not the same.I would have loved to see Larry give Mayweather a headbutt for being the punk he is..When will PBF actually fight someone his own age that is an actuall contender that means something at this point in boxing??That will remain to be seen..Hand picked opponents to protect a perfect record will result in less intrest very shortly.Much respect for Paquaio after Saturdays fight or whatever it was.Jmo..Peace

[Fibroso]

Larry knows that Floyd hates him....although I disagree with Floyd's reaction, Larry should have been expecting it....and he probably was not surprised. Both Larry and Jim Lampley in my opinion are well beyond their "best before date". Should the Floyd/ Manny fight ever be set.... I'll bet that HBO will not get the ppv if Floyd has the final say.
I agree with you, they know whats coming. Just happens that they are part of the show. Maybe things will change amongs them. Money is able to do that and more my friend. Definitely Floyd will have the final say on this mega fight, Arum just wants part of the deal that is why Roach and Manny decided to take it to court this way they have a weapon to negotiate for.

[aquariusone]

What set off FM? It is common knowledge how FM loathes anyone who would not acknowledge him to be the best boxer in the world. The first on his list is Manny Pacquiao - but for several reasons. Since the rise to prominence of the little man from the Philippines, FM has been envious of spectacular rise of MP in "greatness". There are others like FM: Larry Holmes was envious of Muhammad Ali. Although he defeated Ali in 1980 and gone on to win several more fights, he felt he did not "get the respect that he deserved" - even until today.

So "what defines greatness"? And why is FM so easily agitated about this? Why did he explode at Larry Merchant in a split second?

Here is an excerpt from the Mississippi Sports Examiner: "What makes a fighter great? In fact, what makes a person great? A great fighter takes on the best, and defeats them. A great person puts others before themselves. A great person gives back to his community, to his country. A great person saves lives, he touches lives, and he makes the world a better place."

Now tell me, who best personifies these attributes? If you know the answer, you know why FM acts and talks the way he does in spite of his great boxing skills and achievements.

Todd, Larry Merchant established himself early in the journalism industry before signing on with HBO Championship Boxing in 1978.

[Fibroso]

Aqua, Most politicians in the world are hypocrites and liars. What is your opinion on them? Don't judge the book by its cover.

[aquariusone]

Aqua, Most politicians in the world are hypocrites and liars. What is your opinion on them? Don't judge the book for its cover.

Ah, for once we are in agreement. Looks (or good looks or great records [unbeaten] hehehe) are superficial. Greatness is not achieved by "resumes" but by acts of heroism, kindness, bravery, benevolence, grace, reverence, and HUMILITY. Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi, Dalai Lama, are just a few renown individuals who are revered for their humility and service to humanity. Thus, it is not by what is "written" that a man will be remembered; it is for what he has "accomplished" to serve humanity that he will be glorified long after he is gone.

As for "crooked politicians who are hypocrite and liars", I am just glad that there are others in equal or greater number who provide great leadership in this world. We are all doomed if as thinking individuals we elect and allow despots and criminals to serve as our leaders.

Logic prevails. Therefore, if you say that "most" politicians are crooked, the obvious logical conclusion is that "most" people who elect them into power must be a bunch of stupid and imbeciles. I would hate to think that that is true because I don't think you and a million others like you and I and Cobra, Rudee, and others here - are imbeciles. We are not! Cheers!

[bellxvue]

maybe floyd is a great boxer but you just have to see him in those 24/7 as human being not worth much in my book

[The Cobra]

show time at it`s best............if come to the arena expecting a fight...and don`t get one, start one yourself. PBF is an attention whore-----and Larry knowing it or not is playing right up his alley. Good press/bad press, it doesn`t matter----both these guys are in the entertainment business....and we were entertained.

[chuck]

made for good entertinment thats for sure! when floyd got into larrys face, and larry came back with i'll kick ur ass..lol...priceless!!

but ortiz knocked out, then smiling and almost laughing about it? seemed like he didn't give a rats ass? mabey a fixed fight?? i dunno....

larry merchant is alright but howard cosell would have kicked his ass!!!! lollllllllll

[aquariusone]

Howard Cosell...now you are talking!

[Fibroso]

Ah, for once we are in agreement. Looks (or good looks or great records [unbeaten] hehehe) are superficial. Greatness is not achieved by "resumes" but by acts of heroism, kindness, bravery, benevolence, grace, reverence, and HUMILITY. Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi, Dalai Lama, are just a few renown individuals who are revered for their humility and service to humanity. Thus, it is not by what is "written" that a man will be remembered; it is for what he has "accomplished" to serve humanity that he will be glorified long after he is gone.

As for "crooked politicians who are hypocrite and liars", I am just glad that there are others in equal or greater number who provide great leadership in this world. We are all doomed if as thinking individuals we elect and allow despots and criminals to serve as our leaders.

Logic prevails. Therefore, if you say that "most" politicians are crooked, the obvious logical conclusion is that "most" people who elect them into power must be a bunch of stupid and imbeciles. I would hate to think that that is true because I don't think you and a million others like you and I and Cobra, Rudee, and others here - are imbeciles. We are not! Cheers!

You have a gift to misunderstand o misinterpret what is written. Also for putting words into my mouth. Don't you think maybe the politicians mislead humble voters with false promises and manage to get their votes. They're not imbecile, stupid perhaps ignorant with little education. Hitler, Mussolini,Bush, Ferdinand Marcos, and others have done it. Implicating me and a million,rudee,Cobra and yourself doesn't make any sense at all. We elected a great man to lead this nation. Unless you did not? No boxer can be compared to All the great people you've mention for they are uneducated persons that take on this type of work to get rich with their god given talent.Some like Manny let others run his show which is not consider good. On the contrary Floyd runs his own, making him wiser and much better. So this is about talent and cojone, not virtue, Holiness and humility. At the end of this controversy you'll see that Floyd is the best, although his behavior has something to be criticized, still he owns a great talent that others don't.

[pa123]

Larry Merchant asked the questions everyone wanted to know!,Mayweather is laughing all the way to the bank,he will sellout for the rematch before or after he decides to fight Manny Pac Man,imo that fight was a fing joke-Larry made my nite,cause the fight ending like that didn't!

[aquariusone]

You have a gift ........
(1)Don't you think maybe the politicians mislead humble voters with false promises and manage to get their votes. They're not imbecile, stupid perhaps ignorant with little education. Hitler, Mussolini,Bush, Ferdinand Marcos, and others have done it. .....(2) No boxer can be compared to All the great people you've mention for they are uneducated persons that take on this type of work to get rich with their god given talent.....(3) Some like Manny let others run his show which is not consider good. On the contrary Floyd runs his own, making him wiser and much better. So this is about talent and cojone, not virtue, Holiness and humility. (4) At the end of this controversy you'll see that Floyd is the best, although his behavior has something to be criticized, still he owns a great talent that others don't.

Ah, Senor Fib! Your kindness to me this morning exceeds my expectation.

By the way, before I comment on points you raised, let me say that what you quoted was my response to your question: ("Aqua, Most politicians in the world are hypocrites and liars. What is your opinion on them?") It certainly was not intended to "put words in your mouth".

(1) And how right you are! Some unscrupulous politicians could mislead naive people no matter how smart. However, I stand on my previous comment: that while there are crook in governments and despot rulers of countries, there are as much or more leaders in the world who are genuinely sincere in their roles. There are many heroes who gave their lives for their people. Those liars and crooks you mention, once found, are severely punished and sent to exile (like Gadhafi, Mubarak, Mussolinni, etc.) if not executed.

(2) "No boxer...." may not be quite accurate. Muhammad Ali's statesmanship, representation, and benevolence, particularly in repressive regimes in the world has won him praise. He is still alive but I imagine that when he passes on, he will be remembered not only as a great boxer, but as a great human being.

(3) I am glad you mention Manny Pacquiao, otherwise our exchange would be "out of context" and "off-topic". The manner by which their business is handled (self-promoting or hiring promoters) is not a contentious issue here. There is no law that says a businessman must follow a certain norm. Thus, no one can say "self-promoting" is better. It is like no one can declare that a "self proprietorship" is "not considered good or better than" incorporating a business. It is merely a choice based on one's preference.

(4) I do not see a "controversy" here. I have not contradicted you or anyone else about Mayweather's boxing prowess. He is very good, if not extremely good - as a boxer - maybe the best in the world! :)

The entire thread has to do with his "volatile", easily combustible, egotistical nature. Many believe it has to do with feeling so bitter, inferior, and jealous of Manny Pacquiao's achievements. Why? they are exact opposites outside the ring:

Mayweather is loathed (disliked greatly for his rants and tirade-even against his own father - and now against an 80-year old senior (Merchant)).

Pacquiao receives accolades where ever he goes anywhere in the world because of his kindness and humility in an extremely brutal sport. (He is not one to sucker punch any opponent. In fact, he relents when he knows his opponent is beaten.)

And let me conclude by saying this. It will no longer matter whether they actually come in the ring; or whether Mayweather knocks Pacquiao out because Manny's legacy of his lifetime has already been written....because of his love for his country, fellow men, constituents at General Santos, and his benevolence.

[rokko]

The proof is in the pudding as it has been detailed here,


Lets start from the top.

- father, a convicted drug dealer
- uncle and trainer, known drug user
- a family that has been in the professional boxing business for over 30 years

Now, with those facts laid out, its easy to see that this family knows the ins and outs of the professional sport from technique and form, to judges and refs, to shortcuts and doping. Its well known that they love to talk about how if you're not a boxer, " you don't know s hit". Again, for a family of professional boxers who have been in the sport for over 30 years, its quite clear they have easily cheated the sport, opponents and its fans with Floyd Mayweather Jrs. career. Floyds dad, has talked about how he knows someone in the sport who had been using steroids for quite a long time, but won't say who. I know most people wouldn't rat out their children, so why would Sr? Red flag alert.

Lets recap Floyds career. He'll quite happily tell you that hes a
5 division champion in less than 10 years, a feat that nobody in the storied history of boxing has achieved. Thats extraordinary, especially for a guy who barely won a bronze medal at the Olympics. Red flag alert.

From his beginnings as a jr. lightweight to lightweight, he had 31 fights, all victories, with 22 KOs for a KO rate of 70%. Now we all know of his hand problems, which is why, as he went higher in weight, his brittle hands couldn't produce as many knockouts. Thats interesting, seeing as how steroid use causes bones to become more fragile. Whats even more interesting is that in over 30 years as a professional boxing family, never, ever, did the Mayweathers acknowledge a need for any even playing fields, in any of their fights. For a family who knows the ins and outs of the sport, why wouldn't they dare acknowledge steroid use within the sport early in Floyds career, or before? "you're not a boxer, you don't know s hit". Red flag alert.

It seems to me, that as Floyds career went on, he was getting bigger and bulkier, while remaining one of the sports fastest. However, there was a price to pay, his hands became more brittle as the years went by. And, his head was getting bigger from the time he was 16. Red flag alert.

Now, lets move on to Floyds career above 135. Hands aren't quite as solid due to heavy use of steroids, so the KOs become less common. From 2004, to 2007, he fought, on average, twice a year. In 2007, the Mosley-Balco scandal became well known. You know what else happened in 2007? Floyd had his last fight before "retiring". Why would someone, who had just gained a newfound celebrity and popularity within the mainstream by defeating two very popular opponents, suddenly "retire" at his peak? He manhandled Oscar De La Hoya at jr. middleweight and knocked out the previously unbeaten Ricky Hatton. Pretty odd that someone would retire right after that. Red flag alert.

Could it be that Floyd needed time to detox? He did say that his body, "needed time to heal". We all know how Floyd loves to portray himself as some thug, and we all know how dudes from the street talk in code, so could that be it? He did stay out of boxing for almost 2 years before returning. But, within that time of "retirement", he was known to pal around with 50 Cent, another former drug dealer and body building type, and he did have that stint on WWE, aka, the Steroid Freaks Haven. If anyone knows how to cycle and detox, it would be professional wrestlers. Red flag alert.

Floyd comes back from "retirement" bigger and stronger than ever with added mass and bulk after the Mosley-Balco talks die down. Head is looking a bit larger as well. It was easy to see how much larger he was than his opponent Juan Manuel Marquez, who is only an inch shorter than Floyd. But it was the body mass that showed the discrepancy in size. Add to the fact that Floyd refused to give a fight night weight, and you have a suspicious character in the ring. He was easily a middleweight that night with all of the added muscle. Red flag alert.

For someone who supposedly would like to prove they are not using any PEDs,

why won't Floyd agree to year round random drug testing since he wants an "even playing field"?

That to me, sounds like a Red flag alert.


I know lots of weed smokers who will agree to take a drug test any time, but when you mention, "year round random drug testing"

"OH NO".


I think since Floyd isn't on a testing schedule right now,

hes probably been roiding after the Mosley bout.

Facts
Beat up his baby momma in a fit of rage.
Put up a racist tirade against Manny Pacquiao in a fit of rage.
Poked a security guard in the face in a fit of rage.

[KIDWCKED]

Everybody is staying cool in here right...;)

[Fibroso]

This is know by all his fans, still doesn't take away that coming from such a background he sits comfortably over millions of dollars. Has a house a fleet of cars and other things that not to many boxers can afford. He also holds a record envied by many. Lets not forget he's black, you forgot to mention that. Maybe if he was Eminem nobody would mind his hostile life. As a closing statement, he will beat anyone that gets in the ring with him. JMO

[KIDWCKED]

Most of my favourite athletes are black..Colour dosen't matter.But if PBF ever has the stones and wants the bigday and wants to prove he is the best he has to take this fight regardless!!Ecspecially for boxing fans which we are..Peace>

[pilo53]

PBF shows his upbringing thats all. he has millions now. However he is still a woman beater.I think that he will most likely end up in jail before its all over.Just hope him and Manny get it on afore that happens.By the way i am just a meskin so i am not racist.One of my yernos is black and i love him.

peace be with

[Fibroso]

PBF shows his upbringing thats all. he has millions now. However he is still a woman beater.I think that he will most likely end up in jail before its all over.Just hope him and Manny get it on afore that happens.By the way i am just a meskin so i am not racist.One of my yernos is black and i love him.

peace be with

I think that just like Pacquiao, he's a Mexican beater. Ask Ortiz and others. Jail is like the cemetery, for everyone...........

[el chido]

I Still Can't See Him With PacMan!....But The Moment He Sees The Near of The End of His Career, He Will!.....And He'll Make More Millions at Our Expense ( The Fans)...[Suckers!]....