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aquariusone
10-12-2011, 03:22 AM
What is Wrong with Boxing These Days

Even with the best brains in the business, no one could predict the fickleness of the Boxing public - both the serious followers of the sport and the occasional fan. Take the HBO gamble with Richard Schaefer and Mayweather in what they thought would be a blockbuster sell out on Pay Per View for the "return of the undefeated" in the ring. Although the sports venture brought Time Warner and CNN, TBS in the fray, with Dela Hoya and Ortiz appearing on Piers Morgan Tonight and promos on Major League Baseball broadcasts, the final tally of PPV revenue is a fraction of the more than 1 million buys expected. Just how extensive was the promo? Start with HBO's 24/7 and then consider Time.com, CNNMoney.com, Forbes.com, and Mayweather's appearance with Conan on TBS and you can see "how big" the hype was on the fight. Accountants looking at the budget for this fight are now scouring for by-product revenues to balance their budget. Moreover, Mayweather's "self-promoting" venture does not look very profitable. Keep in mind, he does not have a "guaranteed" purse. His income from the highly controversial match comes after all expenses are paid. What was initially anticipated to earn him "at least $20 million" is in peril.11656

Dan Rafael's finding and report of the anticipated financial tally of the fight leaves Bob Arum chuckling. (Bob must be saying, "So you think being your own 'self promoter' protects you from eating crow!") Some boxing pundits are now saying that this casts a wall of doubt on the "marketability of the self-proclaimed 'savior' of boxing" and leaves him with a less than positive stance on the negotiating table for future fights, in particular against his dreaded adversary. I guess that with this, you will not be hearing much about "how smart it is" to be self-promoting a fight.

Apart from this, what else is wrong with boxing? Since we are looking at Arum, let us look at what is going on in his stable. He is "Building Tim Bradley as a PPV 'super-star'". Who is Bob kidding? He thinks that putting Bradley in the Pacquiao/Marquez undercard - against.... Joel Casamayor will do the trick. As astute as the Harvard graduate is, this won't cut the cake. For Bradley to fight a 40-year old ex-champ is worst than auditioning for The X-Factor by pulling your underpants in front of Simon Cowell and Paula Abdul. (We already know why Bradley signed with Arum - faint hope of squaring off with Manny for a big payoff. Dream on, Tim!

How about Nonito Donaire against Omar Narvaez on October 22 at Madison Square Garden? What is wrong with that? Sadly, this is another made-to-order "build-up" for the P4P candidate to succeed Pacquiao. Although unbeaten in 35 fights with 19 KO's, Narvaez is not in the same league as Donaire. Narvaez is a Super Flyweight at 5'3". Donaire is a Bantamweight at 5'7". You saw what he did to Fernando Montiel (also 5'3"). This would be a no contest and it would be great disappointment if it has to go to the score cards. Whatever Arum has in his sleeve after this is everybody's guess: Mares? Agbeko? Nishioka?

What is right about boxing?

Well, by November 18, a score would be settled - finally. 11657

But first, let us not jump so far ahead. Let us look at the Chad Dawson/ Bernard Hopkins' Light Heavyweight showdown this Saturday. Someone would be watching this closely - Jean Pascal. Here is the irony. Pascal takes Dawson's crown; Bernard grabs it from Pascal. Now Dawson wants for all the world to see that the crown belongs to him. But will he succeed? This would be a "do-or-die" match for the former champ. His split with Emmanuel Steward does not bode well when you look back. He split with Mayweather Sr., Eddie Mustafa Muhammed, James Prince, and others - just before big fights. Now rumors are his wife wants to run the show. (Hmmm....remember Nonito Donaire's problem with his wife meddling?) Chad has natural talent but without a good cornerman, Chad might only succeed to cement Hopkin's legacy. It would be bitter-sweet because after this fight, would Hopkins finally hang up the gloves? (There is no one else out there to fight.)

So, what is right about the November 17 showdown? Once and for all, a score would be settled. I admire both boxers - Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. They are future Hall of Famers. In spite of the "hype" they remain gentlemen. While Max Kellerman tried to stir the pot and the tempest by introducing "controversy" in their two previous fights, he did not succeed to get either boxers hot under the collar. In fact, Manny Pacquiao was laughing at some point when Kellerman was prompting for a heated response to a question. A true gentleman on and off the ring, he paid Marquez great compliment instead saying only that they are "action fighters" and "fans would be thoroughly entertained".

This will prove the adage that "Sugar catches more flies than vinegar".

Pacquiao will make his $20+ millions "guaranteed"; Marquez will earn "more money than he has ever made inside 12 rounds - maybe less."

Your own "right" and "wrong" about boxing? No holds barred!

rokko
10-13-2011, 12:59 AM
hey aqua--nothing is going to change until they go back to a winner take all or winner takes the lions share.right now the way it is these guys know how much they are gonna get and they just run and collect their check.need to go back to a prizefight mentality and fight for the prize--till then its a big joke and the jokes on us

aquariusone
10-13-2011, 04:08 AM
hey aqua--nothing is going to change until they go back to a winner take all or winner takes the lions share.right now the way it is these guys know how much they are gonna get and they just run and collect their check.need to go back to a prizefight mentality and fight for the prize--till then its a big joke and the jokes on us

Gotcha, my friend! But the real question is, Will it ever go back to the days when boxers fought for the glory of it? GSP, Jon Jones, Frankie Edgar, - these guys are not making as much money as some top boxers do, but boy do they ever show guts and gory the way they fight. They don't care about "records"; they just want to beat the best there is!

Fibroso
10-13-2011, 12:04 PM
People get old, life changes, boxing is part of life and will go forward,never backwards. When UFC reaches the records that boxing has in a lifetime, it will also evolve. :thumbsup:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Deaths_due_to_injuries_sustained_in_boxin g


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/83188/is_ultimate_fighting_safer_than_boxing.html?cat=5

aquariusone
10-13-2011, 01:17 PM
"A democracy is always temporary in nature;
it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.

Alexander Tyler, Professor at University of Edinborough wrote this in 1887:

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts
from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over
loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years.
During those 200 years, these nations
always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

In the context of the subject (BOXING), we are in a phase that is part of "cyclical evolution" - just as our social, economics, and political system. But because it takes 3/4 lifetimes (200 years) for the evolution to complete, most of us are unable to grasp an entire perspective.

America is going through a very serious recession that is beginning to look like the 1930's. People are losing their homes. Unemployment is high. Massive spending (for sports) in the past will dry up. People who paid $50/$100 for a sports event like boxing in the past are diminishing in hundreds of thousands if not millions. There will be many who will see their fortunes disappear. Thus, these days of "mega-million" PPVs will soon be wiped out.

Fibroso
10-13-2011, 03:06 PM
Mixing politics with boxing, hehehe
Read this, please......


http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html

aquariusone
10-13-2011, 11:04 PM
The whole point about this is that what has happened to boxing and all other sports for that matter is that it is part of a social economic evolution particularly right here in North America. The ridiculous salaries and earnings of athletes..and boxers...(like hockey goalie Roberto Luongo; baseball's Alex Rodriguez; basketball's Kobe Bryant; boxing's Oscar dela Hoya) were all fed by wealth and extravagance by a society that was living in abundance compared to the rest of the world - a society that became so comfortable in luxury living. BUT in a cyclical economic evolution, there is a price to pay. With the US suffering its massive trillion$ debt, the diminishing production per capita, the ballooning level of personal credit, and the massive number of bankruptcy...and unemployment, this will all end. Soon, no one would be watching PPV sports. It will all dry up.

When that happens, the sport of boxing will revert back to the days when there will no longer be "super-stars" with "unbeaten records". Boxers will again be fighting in the ring - just to make a living. They will be fighting for the glory just like they did during the early centuries.

Just as the depression of the early 30's was predicted never to happen again in modern times; it is again upon us in less than a century. History is repeating itself. "Occupy Wall Street" is now happening all over. Civil war in the Middle East is spreading. Bankruptcies of nations is getting to such alarming frequency.

What has this got to do with boxing? Everything, my friend. Enjoy it now - all these exciting matches. Soon all that will matter is how to put food on the table; not what channels are working.

Fibroso
10-13-2011, 11:19 PM
Wow, we finally agree on something. Good post. :thumbsup: