WHAT IS HAPPENING - in Boxing these days?

[aquariusone]

From Roger Mayweather, the trainer and uncle of Floyd Mayweather Jr.: "I am confident that my nephew will finally face Filipino boxing superstar Manny Pacquiao on May 5."

6 hours ago from ABS-CBN: Mayweather demands $100 million to fight Pacquiao. Pacquiao says he will fight Mayweather even if he gets less. He, (Pacquiao) believes the fight will not happen because of Mayweather's ridiculous demand.

From Emmanuel Steward: “I would never bet on that,” Steward said. “It’s 50/50, that’s about it. It’s not so much the fighters, there’s just so many people involved. You got the promoters, a million agents, advisors; you got bad feelings between this promoter and that promoter. There’s lawsuit and they’re suing each other for defamation and you have to take care of the lawsuit before fighting, so it’s a lot more complicated. It’s something the public wants but there’s too many other factors.”

From East Side Boxing: Whether it’s Arum, Schaefer, Pacquiao or Mayweather Jr., we will never find out and it almost doesn’t matter. There is some internal, likely money related disagreements, that I am confident will soon be settled and agreed upon. Nobody lets $100 million dollars go that easy.

From Freddie Roach: "60% chance of Mayweather/Pacquiao fight happening on May 5, 2012."

From Bernard Hopkins: On "Money Mayweather's" image: "I have a problem with it. The perception and how they view us as athletes is a blueprint and a script from what Mayweather shows them all the time. You don't see Steve Jobs - God rest his soul - talking with a stack of money on the phone. He never showed his wealth because his wealth was who he was, not what he had." (Note: I never knew Bernard to have such wisdom!)

[rudee]

100 million???? if i was Manny i would tell him to F... Off! NOONE is worth 100 million.. NOONE!
I myself have had enough on this b.s. fight... I have seen tons of boxing in my day... NEVER in my life have
I seen two champs avoid each other like these two..
Having said that.. I will NOT comment on this matchup again until it happens!
Its a complete joke and is making a mockery of a sport i love... a sport where people have given up their lives!
Case closed for me!

[The Cobra]

It took less time and effort to sign Marlon Brando, obtain Cambodian passage rights and assemble a cast in the filming of Apocolypse Now.
Of course "it`s always something" like Steward says....it`s always something because they orchestrate it that way. Why?...because people buy into it and believe it or not it all effects betting lines if and when the fight ever does come off. These guys are getting more and more publicity by NOT fighting than they ever would have achieved by getting in the ring when they first could have a couple years ago.

[Fibroso]

Well, if you want 60 mill you have to ask for 100 mill. We are the cause and that is the effect. It's all about publicity.

[aquariusone]

Well, if you want 60 mill you have to ask for 100 mill. We are the cause and that is the effect. It's all about publicity.

Not quite, Fib!

....there is more to it than "hype". I agree with Rudee... no one is worth that kind of money. It just seems that as soon as one hurdle is overcome (Pac agreed to all the BS$ testing) another bombshell is dropped. Even Mayweather Sr. is now saying that the fight will never happen!

[Fibroso]

Not quite, Fib!

....there is more to it than "hype". I agree with Rudee... no one is worth that kind of money. It just seems that as soon as one hurdle is overcome (Pac agreed to all the BS$ testing) another bombshell is dropped. Even Mayweather Sr. is now saying that the fight will never happen!

If he had jumped that hurdle from the start, we would've had this done long ago........ and PBF would've still be undefeated. lol

[el chido]

That's Just Gayweather!....He'll keep throwing in excuse after excuse, whether directly or indirectly. 100 million is just ridiculous from his part to ask, I don't It will happen!!

[Fibroso]

We already know what Marquez said about this event, who he thinks will win this one from his personal experience. Here we have another opinion from someone who had an experience with both fighters.
"I think Mayweather would win a comfortable fight, to be honest with you" said Hatton "I hope I'm wrong, because he's not on my Christmas card list anyways. I think Manny's a nice guy, a family person but I have to say Floyd Mayweather is a different Class and so difficult to actually hit. The Master of Defense. "Maybe we don't see eye to eye on certain things because we are two totally different people.But he's an old time great without a doubt".

[aquariusone]

Whatever you, Marquez, or Hatton, say about how good the "undeafeated" Moneyman is, and how he will annihilate Pacquiao, he is running out of excuses not to make the fight. Here is the latest from the Bleachers Report:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/493/995/125535984_crop_650x440.jpg?1324311559

Pacquiao hasn't thrown a complete haymaker with this move, but he certainly threw a "money" punch at the man nicknamed Money.

Mayweather will have to really dig deep to find an excuse to bail from the fight now.

The American already has the MGM Grand booked for his next fight in May 2012 regardless of whether it is Pacquiao or not.

The Filipino is going to sit down with Arum in January to figure out his future.

If these two can't put aside differences now, with money and blood out of the way, then there is no shot in hell we'll ever see these two trade punches.

That won't be on Pacquiao though, not after the sacrifices he's made in trying to set this fight up.

If Pac-Man and Mayweather don't step into the ring, the fingers will pointed at only one corner.

[Fibroso]

My dear Aqua, knowing Floyd that he can beat Manny, is just about how much money can be made in this event. This eventually will end up in the ring and Manny even losing will thank Floyd for this show. At first Pac stopped the event from materializing, now he's playing his part of the soap opera, at the end both will make history for the largest payday in boxing.

[The Cobra]

It`s hype, it`s hype ,it`s hype====it`s the money, it`s the money, it`s the money-----.
When the promoters, fighters etc etc have any sense that the payday may be dwindling---they`ll fight fast and furious.

[aquariusone]

My dear Aqua, knowing Floyd that he can beat Manny, is just about how much money can be made in this event. This eventually will end up in the ring and Manny even losing will thank Floyd for this show. At first Pac stopped the event from materializing, now he's playing his part of the soap opera, at the end both will make history for the largest payday in boxing.

You are seeing this through colored glasses! This is not perceived to be the mega fight of the century because of ONE MAN (Mayweather) no matter how much you want to paint it. It is the biggest ever boxing match BECAUSE we have a TWO LEGITIMATE EXCELLENT BOXERS (Mayweather/Pacquiao), one of whom (PACQUIAO) is laying everything on the ground to make it happen - because, like the gentleman-hero he is hailed in his country _"He wants to give this to the public because it is what they want."

As Ceasar once said, "Give credit where credit is due."

If Pacquiao is a bum, do you think, Mayweather will make as much as he might with this fight? Think about it - long and hard.

[Fibroso]

You always find a way to distort what is written, the one that's making a fuss about MONEY is the money man, which in terms will have an effect on the economic outcome of the event. That is what I ment. Manny, The Hero should have signed this the first time, why he didn't? Only he knows. I assure you they're not the gretest pugilist in history, the era in wich they live make this event the richest of all.

[aquariusone]

You always find a way to distort what is written, the one that's making a fuss about MONEY is the money man, which in terms will have an effect on the economic outcome of the event. That is what I ment. Manny, The Hero should have signed this the first time, why he didn't? Only he knows. I assure you they're not the gretest pugilist in history, the era in wich they live make this event the richest of all.

Sorry, there was no intention (now or ever) to "distort what is written", only to read through it in the spirit it was written, which is - a slant in favor of your money man; and against a boxer you seem to have the greatest distaste - for whatever reason. Every comment you make about the Philippine Congressman is condescending and accusatory. You are one person in the world that I know of who fails to acknowledge what Newsweek, Ring Magazine, Fortune 500, Hilary Clinton, and other distinguished media and people around the world, admire about a boy peddling on the street nearly as an orphan who rises above his adversity to become one of the most famous men in the world today - in or outside of Boxing!

[Fibroso]

Sorry, there was no intention (now or ever) to "distort what is written", only to read through it in the spirit it was written, which is - a slant in favor of your money man; and against a boxer you seem to have the greatest distaste - for whatever reason. Every comment you make about the Philippine Congressman is condescending and accusatory. You are one person in the world that I know of who fails to acknowledge what Newsweek, Ring Magazine, Fortune 500, Hilary Clinton, and other distinguished media and people around the world, admire about a boy peddling on the street nearly as an orphan who rises above his adversity to become one of the most famous men in the world today - in or outside of Boxing!
Where in the world do you see all that -- your talking about, you're ridiculous with your comments, displaying a fanatic outrage over nothing.
Most boxers come from a humble background. We had many, not one, famous Champs widely known that came from the same or worse scenario and we don't make such a fuss about it. I guess since he is the one and only fighter ever elected to office,that makes him special in your country not mine. I respect the fact that he is a good fighter but we had better ones in my side of the world not elected to congress.

ME
My dear Aqua, knowing Floyd that he can beat Manny, is just about how much money can be made in this event. This eventually will end up in the ring and Manny even losing will thank Floyd for this show. At first Pac stopped the event from materializing, now he's playing his part of the soap opera, at the end both will make history for the largest payday in boxing.

[aquariusone]

Where in the world do you see all that -- your talking about, you're ridiculous with your comments, displaying a fanatic outrage over nothing.
Most boxers come from a humble background. We had many, not one, famous Champs widely known that came from the same or worse scenario and we don't make such a fuss about it. I guess since he is the one and only fighter ever elected to office,that makes him special in your country not mine. I respect the fact that he is a good fighter but we had better ones in my side of the world not elected to congress.

Hahahaha! The truth hurts sometimes. I have been called a lot of names but "ridiculous, outrageous, and fanatics" are not some of them. In fact, I try very hard to be neutral and objective.

Unlike you, I am a purists as a boxing enthusiast. I do not distinguish boxers and athletes by the nationality, creed, race, or color. I admire the accomplishments of Sixto Escobar, Carlos Ortiz, Wilfred Benitez, Esteban De Jesus, Edwin Rosario....and at one time, even Hector Camacho...just as I admire the prowess of Mexican, US, Russian, and German boxers. I do not belittle or ridicule anyone because he is Puerto Rican or Brazilian.

You, on the other hand,...... oh well, gotta stay nice. Christmas is coming.

Feliz navidad, Senor!

[Fibroso]

Hahahaha! The truth hurts sometimes. I have been called a lot of names but "ridiculous, outrageous, and fanatics" are not some of them. In fact, I try very hard to be neutral and objective.

Unlike you, I am a purists as a boxing enthusiast. I do not distinguish boxers and athletes by the nationality, creed, race, or color. I admire the accomplishments of Sixto Escobar, Carlos Ortiz, Wilfred Benitez, Esteban De Jesus, Edwin Rosario....and at one time, even Hector Camacho...just as I admire the prowess of Mexican, US, Russian, and German boxers. I do not belittle or ridicule anyone because he is Puerto Rican or Brazilian.

You, on the other hand,...... oh well, gotta stay nice. Christmas is coming.

Feliz navidad, Senor!

You're not so open minded, neutral or objective on any subject involving Manny. You're also forget things, you have called me words that aren't permitted here yet you're still having discussions with all the distinguished members of this forum. That speaks for itself and gives me an edge in anything you can say about me. Without any further thoughts on my part, Maligayang Pasko!

[aquariusone]

You're not so open minded, neutral or objective on any subject involving Manny. You're also forget things, you have called me words that aren't permitted here yet you're still having discussions with all the distinguished members of this forum. That speaks for itself and gives me an edge in anything you can say about me. Without any further thoughts on my part, Maligayang Pasko!

You are a feisty adversary as well, but you provide colorful retorts that makes this forum fun, entertaining, controversial, confrontational and sometimes...well....over the top. But hey! at least we have an open dialogue on highly contentious issues and we may openly disagree and forever hold our grounds. I know you are just as fanatic as many of us are when it comes to boxing and our personal "favorites" and I bet if we have this dialogue in person, we might end up rolling up our sleeves and having a real scrap. But at the end of the day, hopefully with all the bumps and bruises, we could still smile and say..."Hey, you fought well....you snofa..tomato and shake hands like two sportsmen". Porque tengo setenta años de edad, tienes que amarrar su mano derecha por detrás de su espalda! Hehehe!

Gracias...prospero ano nuevo!

[Yogi]

The fight isn't ever going to happen. It isn't a big enough payoff with a big risk for both fighters. The Pac - Marquez III fight, they are saying it sold somewhere around 1.3 to 1.4 million PPV's. Mayweather also sells a lot of PPV's. I don't see them selling a whole lot more that, even if they fight each other. There is no doubt they will break records, but I doubt they even sell $2 million PPV's. I am betting they sell 1.7 million PPV's tops. If one of them looses the "mega fight", it is going to hurt their PPV numbers. Actually I think the one that would be hurt the worse is Mayweather, if he looses. People like Pac, he makes himself an easy person to like, so he will always have a strong following. Floyd on the other hand, people think that he is just a jerk. A big chunk of his ticket sales come from people just wanting to see him get his arse kicked. The day he looses, people will finally be satisfied and won't have any reason to buy anymore PPV tickets for his fights again.

Floyd choose to fight his next fight on May 5th. To me, that says that he actually wants to fight a Mexican fighter and never really had any intention of fighting Pac. I hope the Floyd - Pac fight goes down on May 5th, but I am betting that we will see Floyd fighting Erik Morales instead.

[aquariusone]

The fight isn't ever going to happen. It isn't a big enough payoff with a big risk for both fighters. The Pac - Marquez III fight, they are saying it sold somewhere around 1.3 to 1.4 million PPV's. Mayweather also sells a lot of PPV's. I don't see them selling a whole lot more that, even if they fight each other. There is no doubt they will break records, but I doubt they even sell $2 million PPV's. I am betting they sell 1.7 million PPV's tops. If one of them looses the "mega fight", it is going to hurt their PPV numbers. Actually I think the one that would be hurt the worse is Mayweather, if he looses. People like Pac, he makes himself an easy person to like, so he will always have a strong following. Floyd on the other hand, people think that he is just a jerk. A big chunk of his ticket sales come from people just wanting to see him get his arse kicked. The day he looses, people will finally be satisfied and won't have any reason to buy anymore PPV tickets for his fights again.

Floyd choose to fight his next fight on May 5th. To me, that says that he actually wants to fight a Mexican fighter and never really had any intention of fighting Pac. I hope the Floyd - Pac fight goes down on May 5th, but I am betting that we will see Floyd fighting Erik Morales instead.

You made insightful remarks above. The PPV numbers for the trilogy are 1.4 mil, from what the media reports. For now with all the shenanigans, the fight everyone wants is likely to gross more than 2 million - IF it happens in 2012. Beyond that, people would move on.

Strangely, in spite of the willingness of one party to make it happen, we have not heard a "boo" from the other.

Your Morales guess will loom very large by February! But who would buy it?

AS for the Pacman, he says he is hanging up his gloves in 2013. There really isn't anybody in his division who would be considered a formidable opponent. I got a funny feeling that he might surprise us all with his retirement.